Tony Clement out for sexting


JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

I'll be fair to him for a moment here. We've just learnt that someone was trying to blackmail him using his nude pics. It's possible his wife found out around the same time we did. That means he now fears for his marriage. If he has children, they now know so he now has to face them. His and his wife's parents might now know. His friends probably now know. The general public now knows. Just the humiliation of this act can push some men to attempt suicide. Looking at it that way, unless he's really cold-hearted, I don't believe that hanging on to his seat is the primary focus in his mind right now.


If I was in his shoes what you've articulated here is precisely what would be on my mind, BUT I don't have the same obsessions he obviously does!
 
White_Unifier
#32
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

If I was in his shoes what you've articulated here is precisely what would be on my mind, BUT I don't have the same obsessions he obviously does!

What I don't get is he must have known he had a problem with compulsive sexual behaviours long before he started sending nude pics. Why didn't he seek help before it got out hand? Why only now that it's escalated so far out of control?
 
JLM
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#33
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

What I don't get is he must have known he had a problem with compulsive sexual behaviours long before he started sending nude pics. Why didn't he seek help before it got out hand? Why only now that it's escalated so far out of control?


One can only speculate, like I've known several people who seem obsessed with sex, but most probably just progress to a line they don't cross, which if they did the results could be devastating.
 
White_Unifier
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#34
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

One can only speculate, like I've known several people who seem obsessed with sex, but most probably just progress to a line they don't cross, which if they did the results could be devastating.

Sure. But if they did feel an urge to cross the line, you'd hope they'd have enough sense to recognize how compulsive behaviour is not healthy and that it might be time to seek help before it gets out of hand. It's a little late once it gets out of hand.
 
spilledthebeer
#35
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

Sure. But if they did feel an urge to cross the line, you'd hope they'd have enough sense to recognize how compulsive behaviour is not healthy and that it might be time to seek help before it gets out of hand. It's a little late once it gets out of hand.


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POOR LIE-berals frantically trying to make something serious out of the Clement mess in hope of distracting from their own crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



LIE-berals label Clements as "compulsive" without knowing the state of his marriage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals desperately want to make Clement into a villain so they can have some alternate issue to discuss when Our idiot Boy and his Kokanee Grope are discussed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Too bad Clement was dealing with women WHO CONSENTED to his attentions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Clement DID NOT TRY TO WEASEL OUT with sneering words about negative experiences as Our idiot Boy did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And it burns LIE-berals that many Cdns now LAUGH when Our idiot Boy tells us he "is a feminist" -now that he has insulted women with his "negative experience" Kokanee ass grab!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And LIE-berals would like to make the Clement business SOUND VERY SORDID so they can have some other talking point than LIE-beral Kent Hehr and his ass grabbing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And LIE-beral Hehr did not have CONSENT EITHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And it hugely annoys LIE-berals that Patrick Brown has been BELIEVED by most Cdns as he denies the nasty allegations against HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It further burns LIE-berals that many Cdns believe the sex assault accusations against him were probably a LIE-beral DIRTY TRICK!!!!!!!!!


POOR LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ALL their policies are failing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
JLM
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#36
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

What I don't get is he must have known he had a problem with compulsive sexual behaviours long before he started sending nude pics. Why didn't he seek help before it got out hand? Why only now that it's escalated so far out of control?


Probably no different than those addicted to alcohol, drugs or gambling, possibly just choose to ignore anything they feel they can't handle. I would say pride probably steers people away from admitting a weakness.
 
JamesBondo
#37
His actions don't appear to be supported by any party, so I feel no need to change my political views.
 
White_Unifier
#38
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Probably no different than those addicted to alcohol, drugs or gambling, possibly just choose to ignore anything they feel they can't handle. I would say pride probably steers people away from admitting a weakness.

And where does that pride come from? I personally would never look down on an addict of any kind. I might disapprove of that person's actions. I might even support a tough love approach to help that person back on his feet. But I also understand that I know nothing about that person's background and studies do show that addicts, be they alcoholics, heroin addicts, internet, gaming, or gambling addicts, or even sex addicts have often suffered some kind of past trauma that led to the addiction as a way to numb their emotions. All I can guess is that those addicts who fear getting help fear being judged. They need to understand that in reality, while we might judge their actions, few people will judge them personally and most people would applaud a person's efforts to seek help to address their demons head on.
 
JLM
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#39
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

And where does that pride come from? I personally would never look down on an addict of any kind. I might disapprove of that person's actions. I might even support a tough love approach to help that person back on his feet. But I also understand that I know nothing about that person's background and studies do show that addicts, be they alcoholics, heroin addicts, internet, gaming, or gambling addicts, or even sex addicts have often suffered some kind of past trauma that led to the addiction as a way to numb their emotions. All I can guess is that those addicts who fear getting help fear being judged. They need to understand that in reality, while we might judge their actions, few people will judge them personally and most people would applaud a person's efforts to seek help to address their demons head on.


It may be a perception thing in the eyes of the victim - nothing to do with what observers may think.
 
spilledthebeer
#40
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

It may be a perception thing in the eyes of the victim - nothing to do with what observers may think.




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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


All our LIE-beral PRIESTS who are sworn to live a celibate life are now pontificating about Clement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the same phoney "celibate" hypocrites are now checking their computer browsers and erasing history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
White_Unifier
#41
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

It may be a perception thing in the eyes of the victim - nothing to do with what observers may think.

I agree. Sometimes a person's toughest judge is himself, and sometimes the person that's most difficult to forgive is oneself. People do tend to be harder on themselves than on others, so they assume that others are judging them just as harshly as they judge themselves. You'r probably right that it's just a perception thing which then affects their pride and so makes it harder for them to seek help.
 
Hoof Hearted
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#42
Clement didn't seek help because he was flattered by the attention he was getting from 20 something women. It stoked his 57 year old ego. I just can't believe how thick he was, to not know in 2018 that this kind of stuff is going to make it to the mainstream social media.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
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#43
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoof Hearted View Post

Clement didn't seek help because he was flattered by the attention he was getting from 20 something women. It stoked his 57 year old ego. I just can't believe how thick he was, to not know in 2018 that this kind of stuff is going to make it to the mainstream social media.




There is no need to employ him in any public capacity. There are a lot of able bodied, sane minded people without issues looking for work.
 
White_Unifier
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#44
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

There is no need to employ him in any public capacity. There are a lot of able bodied, sane minded people without issues looking for work.

True enough. A person with problems should get himself sorted out before entering the public arena. After's a little late.
 
spilledthebeer
#45
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoof Hearted View Post

Clement didn't seek help because he was flattered by the attention he was getting from 20 something women. It stoked his 57 year old ego. I just can't believe how thick he was, to not know in 2018 that this kind of stuff is going to make it to the mainstream social media.




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HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HOOF HEADED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Dont let people tell you that you are thick as a brick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



You are quite right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


For once!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Clement was quite foolish to think that he could play online like that without ever being noticed by anybody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Its just to bad that some Cdns figure Clement was SET UP- by exactly the same sort of LIE-beral "operatives" who smeared Patrick Brown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And its just too bad that this Clement business is NOT ERASING the stink of the Kokanee Grope and the Kent Hehr garbage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
mentalfloss
#46
Wow, this forum really has become like the scat section of porn.
 
JLM
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#47
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Wow, this forum really has become like the scat section of porn.


Never mind the "scat section of porn" or the forum. Dig into the depths of C.B.C. news and you should get a fairly accurate picture of Tony Clement is all about and if you don't like that there's always "National Post" and "Globe and Mail".
 
Tecumsehsbones
#48
So, he's up for a Senate seat?
 
White_Unifier
#49
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Wow, this forum really has become like the scat section of porn.

Oh please keep that to yourself!
 
spilledthebeer
#50
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

Oh please keep that to yourself!


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PITY the poor LIE-berals- and their less intelligent cousins of NDP as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



NONE OF THEIR POLICIES APPEAL TO MAIN STREAM CANADA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So they must try to seduce special interest groups like the bigots of Black Lives Matter and the Idle No More native racists and the wildly GREEDY Gravy Grabbing civil service union Hogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But even that is not enough to keep the NDP boat afloat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And as we have seen- ALL LIE-beral policy is failing as well- as the debts rise and troubles pile up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Consider:


Here is an article illustrating how NDP lust for power is perverting our Cdn democracy and turning our democracy into a sleazy shell game. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Foreign-funded activist group helping Andrea Horwath's NDP

By Brian Lilley. Published: June 2, 2018. Updated: June 4, 2018 1:04 PM EDT

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ Opinion/ Columnists

If Andrea Horwath wakes up as Premier of Ontario on June 8, she may have a shadowy foreign-funded group out of Vancouver to thank for her win.

Leadnow was set up in British Columbia in 2011 by a pair of young Canadians with the full support of a Tides Foundation backed group that sought to organize for left-wing causes.

In the 2015 federal election, Leadnow targeted 29 ridings held by Conservatives and took credit for dumping the Tories from 25 of them.

Now this group, which runs shadow campaigns to get their preferred candidate elected, is working the Ontario election.

Leadnow is working to make sure Doug Ford isn’t elected Premier with their #NeverFord campaign. They are even targeting Ford in his own riding of Etobicoke North to block his local win.

(Federal LIE-berals made noises after the 2015 election about limiting foreign influence in our elections but I guess it was a smoke screen since their interest in such justice and fair play has dissolved. LIE-berals were quick enough to condemn Harper Conservatives for yanking the charitable status of various groups messing about in Canada. But it did not worry LIE-berals that some of the fake charities were doing fund raising for terrorist groups or otherwise behaving badly. Nor did it matter that Yankee “super pac” political action groups were also dumping millions of dollars into the pockets of Cdn lobbyists and pressure groups for reasons not necessarily in best Cdn interests!)

(Yankee oil companies are apparently especially excited about getting the Alberta Tar Sands shut down so their holdings at the California La Brea Tar Sands and at Venezuelan oil sands will increase in value as oil supplies shrink! And our environmental zealot David Suzuki has admitted that his foundation has accepted several million dollars in the recent past from Yankee oil execs in exchange for his anti fossil fuel “influence” on govt!)

(And we have all heard the shrieking Yankee battle over what Trump may or may not have done during the election- with some Russians- or others pretending to be Russians or- well- there are apparently WAY MORE conspiracy theories than there are cold and provable facts! And Our own idiot Boy Justin has been warned about Russian influence in upcoming Cdn elections and one has to assume that propaganda meisters from China and Isis and Al Qaida and other groups might want to put in their 2 cents worth as well! After all- one of the first things Our idiot Boy did after getting elected in 2015 was to restore Cdn funding for terror group Hamas!)

(There is even a bitter debate going on down at U of T between a professor known for his relentless and vitriolic attacks on Israel- and a student who admits he is a Jew but denies he is an agent provocateur of Israeli Mossad as the BIGOTED anti Jew professor claims!)

(From all this we may readily assume there are LOTS of clowns out there seeking our votes- in ways that are NOT truthful or honest and too often NOT in the best interest of Cdns! So federal LIE-beral dis-interest in this stuff should be strongly condemned!)

“If enough of us make calls, we can boost voter turnout enough to tip the scales of local races and deny local PCs their seats,” Leadnow says on their website.

They ask people to sign up with a form on their website to get instructions on how to make calls from their own homes.

“We’ll send you everything you need to get started: instructions, a script, and FAQs.”

(It is one thing to win a debate by presenting logical views and honest facts! It is quite another thing to PRETEND to be something you are not- as so many disturbingly bigoted NDP candidates are doing- possibly on the advice of FOREIGN AGENTS!!)

The script instructs volunteers to hang up on PC voters and encourage backers of “progressive” parties to get out and vote.

Leadnow is trying to call 50,000 people in Ontario by June 7th with one simple message, don’t vote for Ford or the PC Party. They currently have phonebanking events — group calling essentially — set up for Belleville, Toronto, Mississauga, Hamilton, Brantford and plenty of small towns.

The crazy thing is, none of this activity counts as a third-party election activity under Ontario law. Each of the 50 registered third parties can spend $101,800 during the official election campaign on advertising.

And that money must be raised in Ontario.

(LIE-berals have set the vile trend in this crap- with their VAST conflict of interest deal with their civil service union HOG allies who expect BIG PAY RAISES in exchange for their votes- and for the civil service union attack ads that circumvent the election laws! And now that Hogs are so disappointed by Ontari-owe LIE-berals they have swing their support to NDP- and I guess Wynne-bag can take a bitter pleasure in knowing SHE was the one that outlawed Hog attack ads from disgruntled Hogs on her own party!)

(But NDPers have found those handy new “supporters” such as Leadnow to get around the prohibition of Hog attack ads! Given all this bribery and vote buying and the constant shrill and facile apologies from all sorts of loonie leftist radicals who are being exposed in the news- it’s a wonder that Cdn democracy functions at all! Cdn democracy is being GORED by fork tongued hypocrites and we MUST blame LIE-berals and their less cunning NDP cousins for it!)

(Ontari-owe LIE-berals HAD the chance to clean up our elections and limited the changes simply to protect themselves! Federal LIE-berals have much greater power and authority to end foreign intervention in our elections and are apparently COMPLACENT about that foreign influence! Or maybe federal LIE-berals even hope to win extra influence by encouraging such attacks on conventional political policy?)

Leadnow is doing some advertising but is mainly using a complex and expensive phone system to reach voters. This system allows anyone, from anywhere, to log in and call voters, urging them to vote the left way.

None of those expenses are covered by the third-party changes brought in by Kathleen Wynne.

(Shall we ask if that costly phone system will remain in place and ready for use in the October municipal elections? And will that phone system be available in 2019 for the federal election? And we can bet that it would take a real good detective to figure out where all the money for the phone system is coming from!)


Setting up an expensive phone system not only isn’t covered by the law, it can be completely funded by money from outside of Ontario or even outside the country. In the past, Leadnow has admitted as much as 20% of their money comes from outside of Canada.

Leadnow is also the only one of 50 registered groups with an address outside of Ontario. They are also far more sophisticated in directly reaching voters than any other group.

(How CAN Cdn democracy function honestly when the people spending the most money on the election apparently DO NOT EVEN LIVE IN Ontari-owe?)

Why is a Vancouver-based group, substantially funded and founded by American billionaires through a San Francisco based foundation working against Ontario’s PC Party?

Because this is what they do.

Leadnow is one of the many third-party groups, often funded by wealthy Americans, that have one mission. Stop conservative politicians and policies.

They have some radical ideas.

When Justin Trudeau gave Omar Khadr his $10.5 million payment, Leadnow asked people to sign up in support of Khadr.

(And what manner of utterly poisoned bullsh+t is that? Khadr ought to be spending the rest of his life THANKING us for letting him back into Canada at all- much less collecting any money!)

Leadnow also campaigns against the oil industry and most recently the Trans Mountain pipeline.

There are connections to the Liberals and NDP. One co-founder of the group, Adam Shedletzky, was a senior policy advisor to Wynne until the election was called. Amara Possian, Leadnow’s 2015 election campaign manager, is running for the NDP against Wynne in Don Valley West.

(Oh what a POISONED WEB loonie leftists weave! And these SNEAKS want to make a fuss over Ford buying 65 party memberships for people out of his own pocket? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

This week the PCs sent a letter to Elections Ontario alleging collusion between the NDP and Leadnow. The party says a Toronto operative is working for both groups in contravention of the law.

(And of course Conservatives have complained before about LIE-berals and civil service union Hogs and their huge conflict of interest but of course Hog election officials- who PROFIT FROM THE CONFLICT- see nothing wrong with it!)

Leadnow says they want to contact 12,000 voters this weekend alone and get people out to the polls.

It really will leave everyone wondering, if Horwath wins next week will she have done it on her own or with an assist from an outside, out-of-province group.

— Brian Lilley is broadcaster, journalist, author, and host of Beyond the News on Newstalk 580 CFRA

(If much more of this crap goes on we will simply begin electing “President for Life” leaders just like any other third world pesthole!)
 
JamesBondo
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