Innocent Victims of "MeToo"


Hoid
#31
its almost as if you thought people had any interest in talking to you. About anything.
 
pgs
+1
#32
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

its almost as if you thought people had any interest in talking to you. About anything.

Donít answer then , it wonít hurt my feelings .
 
Jinentonix
+3
#33
I think I have a way to deal with intentionally false accusations. If it gets to court and it's found the accuser's story is 100% bullshit, then THEY should be sentenced to the same sentence the accused would have received if they were actually guilty. On top of that, make the accuser cover the accused's legal costs. This wouldn't apply to cases of mistaken identity where a crime did take place but the victim unintentionally fingered the wrong person.
 
Hoid
#34
There is already a law for false accusations.
 
White_Unifier
+1
#35
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

How about when the woman waits 35 years to bring the subject up?

I actually don't agree with statutes of limitations. What if fear, confusion, or other factors prevented her from speaking out before hand, such as when it was a family member for example?

That said, I do believe that the accused should have the right to an inquisitorial trial, be protected from rape-shield laws, and enjoy the presumption of innocence until proved guilty beyond reasonable doubt. In practical terms, if a person waits 36 years, I don't see how any proof would remain of the person's guilt, plus memories fade over time. But in the off chance that a person can somehow prove it beyond reasonable doubt (such as video that was saved for all those years, etc., then I'd say no matter how long she waits, she should be allowed to make a complaint and the prosecutor should be able to prosecute. Again in practical terms though, seldom would a person be able to prove guilt after waiting 35 years.
 
White_Unifier
#36
Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

I think I have a way to deal with intentionally false accusations. If it gets to court and it's found the accuser's story is 100% bullshit, then THEY should be sentenced to the same sentence the accused would have received if they were actually guilty. On top of that, make the accuser cover the accused's legal costs. This wouldn't apply to cases of mistaken identity where a crime did take place but the victim unintentionally fingered the wrong person.

The problem with that is that a false sexual assault accusation can be just as difficult to prove than a real sexual assault is. Just as most rapists will get away with it, we just need to accept that most false accusers will too. It's either that or we lower the burden of proof. Take your pick.
 
Serryah
#37
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

How about when the woman waits 35 years to bring the subject up?

You investigate it just like any other assault. I don't deny proving it would be harder, but it's obviously possible to still proe that something did take place (Bill Cosby anyone?)

Why there is such an issue with looking into claims of assault or even rape is insane and makes no sense.
 
Mowich
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#38
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

You investigate it just like any other assault. I don't deny proving it would be harder, but it's obviously possible to still prove that something did take place (Bill Cosby anyone?)

Why there is such an issue with looking into claims of assault or even rape is insane and makes no sense.


Good luck getting anyone to make a statement admitting their sexual abuse as Cosby did and why he was finally convicted ............with his own words to back up the woman's.


I will never agree with charging someone decades after a sexual abuse incident such as groping. People do change and if they haven't chances are their behavior has escalated and they may very well have been charged with other sexual crimes. Rape is hard enough to prove when reported immediately after the assault. Trying to prove it many years after would be all but impossible especially if there were no witnesses.
 
White_Unifier
#39
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

Good luck getting anyone to make a statement admitting their sexual abuse as Cosby did and why he was finally convicted ............with his own words to back up the woman's.
I will never agree with charging someone decades after a sexual abuse incident such as groping. People do change and if they haven't chances are their behavior has escalated and they may very well have been charged with other sexual crimes. Rape is hard enough to prove when reported immediately after the assault. Trying to prove it many years after would be all but impossible especially if there were no witnesses.

I agree that the longer one waits, the harder it is to prove. But on the rare chance that the person has video or other means to prove it, you would still support a a statute of limitations?

Also, you'd be surprised at how often a person will confess. Look at Russell Williams. I remember reading a police report where a person confessed to the police officer, though he never went to court due to lack of proof that he said it beyond the officer's statement and the office had no camera on him.

The point is that when a person is found in a compromising situation, if he's innocent, he just has to tap his memory, open his mouth, and explain how he found himself in the situation. His speech would be quicker, his story would be consistent however strange it may seem, and that is that.

When a person is lying, he has to guess at what the police may or may not already know. He has to some up with an explanation for what he was doing there. He has to ensure consistency in his story. While a simple person could tell the truth with ease, even a highly mentally sophisticated one would still struggle in making up a consistent lie under such circumstances. Because of that, even if he has a right to remain silent, human psychology kicks in. If he feels like an explanation is expected of him and can't come up with one, he may buckle under his own psychological pressure and confess.

In fact, innocents have been known to confess to serious crimes in the Japanese system due to police interrogation tactics. Such has happened in Canada too under Mr. Big tactics. When we consider how even an innocent under the right conditions will confess to a serious crime under duress, it's easy to understand how a guilty party can confess. That said, some guilty parties have nerves of steel and can still remain silent even when they can't explain their compromising situation away.
 
Danbones
#40
...So...What about all those pimply faces adolescents that ABUSED THEMSELVES during the playboy magazine era?

No law suits for them eh?
 
taxslave
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#41
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

You tell me . Did some young lady ever push your hand away ?

Probably all of them. Including the ones he paid first.
 
Hoof Hearted
+1
#42
pgs was flattered once when a woman ran her hand up and down his arm...until he got home and realized his watch was missing.
 
taxslave
+3
#43
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

You investigate it just like any other assault. I don't deny proving it would be harder, but it's obviously possible to still proe that something did take place (Bill Cosby anyone?)
Why there is such an issue with looking into claims of assault or even rape is insane and makes no sense.

Lots of problems. Most crimes have a time limit and this should be one of them. The problem is the lack of accuracy in remembering details. Also the definition of willing participant has changed over time. Then there is the rather odd way these charges tend to be made at the exact time the guy on the receiving end gets famous rich whatever. Too convenient for political purposes like the last one.
 
White_Unifier
#44
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Lots of problems. Most crimes have a time limit and this should be one of them. The problem is the lack of accuracy in remembering details. Also the definition of willing participant has changed over time. Then there is the rather odd way these charges tend to be made at the exact time the guy on the receiving end gets famous rich whatever. Too convenient for political purposes like the last one.

1. A judge would take into account how time could affect memory.

2. A judge always judges an act based on whether it was a crime at the time that it was committed and punishes according to what the punishment was at the time that the crime was committed. This principle is established even in international law that a law cannot be imposed retroactively.

3. If a person is protected from rape shield laws and is guaranteed the presumption of innocence until proved guilty beyond reasonable doubt, and especially if guaranteed the right to an inquisitorial trial (which the latter is unfortunately not the case in Canada), then he has little to worry about. Sure the risk of a wrongful conviction is there, but is minimal.
 
pgs
#45
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoof Hearted View Post

pgs was flattered once when a woman ran her hand up and down his arm...until he got home and realized his watch was missing.

Donít wear a watch , after having learned that lesson many yeas ago .
 
taxslave
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#46
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoof Hearted View Post

pgs was flattered once when a woman ran her hand up and down his arm...until he got home and realized his watch was missing.

Anyone stealing a $10 Timex deserves what they get.
 
B00Mer
+1
#47
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

Okay, so who do you know is telling the truth?

Great question.. I would say physical evidence.. but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7HTgBUSOaw

but I think rape is being used as a weapon now, or in fear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TzTCWfiRew

All the false accusations have taken away from real rape victims. Who's is telling the truth.. eh??

It's a sad day.. but I don't believe women now..

Coming forth after 30 some years, a manufactured story to grab money, fame or political motives.
 
White_Unifier
#48
Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

Great question.. I would say physical evidence.. but
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7HTgBUSOaw
but I think rape is being used as a weapon now, or in fear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TzTCWfiRew
All the false accusations have taken away from real rape victims. Who's is telling the truth.. eh??
It's a sad day.. but I don't believe women now..
Coming forth after 30 some years, a manufactured story to grab money, fame or political motives.

Just as a woman can make a false accusation, a man can commit sexual assault. Heck, even a woman can commit sexual assault against a man or another woman.

I agree that memory fades over time, but I trust that a competent judge would take that into account. In a rare occasion, a person might have video or other concrete proof. In that case, do we deny justice just because of a statute of limitations? I think a better solution is to ensure the judge understands how memories van become warped over time but still allow the case if strong proof is available.
 
B00Mer
#49
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

Just as a woman can make a false accusation, a man can commit sexual assault. Heck, even a woman can commit sexual assault against a man or another woman.

How many times is a man of a sexual assault believed?

Or, better yet, most guys look at the girl and say; "she can assault me.."

https://cumberlink.com/news/local/cr...8bb3b54ec.html

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-sex-offender/

http://www.buckslocalnews.com/news/s...2778e3128.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7425176.html

...or better yet; where were these teachers when I was in school.

Fukk'in eh!!
 
White_Unifier
#50
Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

How many times is a man of a sexual assault believed?
Or, better yet, most guys look at the girl and say; "she can assault me.."
https://cumberlink.com/news/local/cr...8bb3b54ec.html
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-sex-offender/
http://www.buckslocalnews.com/news/s...2778e3128.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7425176.html
...or better yet; where were these teachers when I was in school.
Fukk'in eh!!

Are you encouraging women to sexually molest boys?
 
Hoid
#51
Are you encouraging an idiot to keep talking?
 
petros
+2
#52
Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

Honestly this metoo movement "crying rape" is taking away from the real rape victims..
False accusations make it harder for real rape victims to come forward because of what they will have to go through..

The term Sexual Assault is too vague and too powerful.

In the court of public opinion it's always rape first and a hand on the knee is the last thing thought of.

It doesn't delineate.

The experience is subjective to the victim.

To some a hand on the knee is equivalent to forced penetration.

There are many reasons for not "coming forward" and they are subjective to the victim whether rational or not and you are right, #metoo does diminish victim credibility because it has been politicized and manipulates public opinion.

As a victim, I'd never allow my experience be used for political or vindictive means.

Empowerment and ego are a bad mix.
 
petros
+1
#53
Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

How many times is a man of a sexual assault believed?
Or, better yet, most guys look at the girl and say; "she can assault me.."
https://cumberlink.com/news/local/cr...8bb3b54ec.html
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-sex-offender/
http://www.buckslocalnews.com/news/s...2778e3128.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7425176.html
...or better yet; where were these teachers when I was in school.
Fukk'in eh!!

As a man I've technically been sexually assaulted by both females and males. Having 5 girls dunk me in a pool and each of them grabbing my junk was rape and not something I enjoyed.

Because I'm a male, females and males would automatically think I enjoyed it. Was it life altering? No. In the short term yes.

My girlfriend would have blown a gasket and would have blamed me for swimming with them in the first place which parallels a guy saying "dont dress like a slut".
 
White_Unifier
#54
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

As a man I've technically been sexually assaulted by both females and males. Having 5 girls dunk me in a pool and each of them grabbing my junk was rape and not something I enjoyed.

I wouldn't call that rape, but sexual assault for sure.
 
petros
#55
Grabbing my balls and stroking my wang is no different than fingering a vagina.
 
White_Unifier
#56
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Grabbing my balls and stroking my wang is no different than fingering a vagina.

I was just referring to the strict dictionary definition of rape; but I agree that certain forms of sexual assault are just as serious as rape.
 
MHz
#57
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Grabbing my balls and stroking my wang is no different than fingering a vagina.

Except for the hushed giggling by whoever is using 2 fingers on your wang..
 
Walter
#58
Emmett Till.
 
Dixie Cup
+1
#59
Insufficient evidence - next case....