Venezuela VP to McCain: 'Go to hell'


I think not
#1
CARACAS, Venezuela - Venezuela's vice president said today that U.S. Sen. John McCain "can go to hell" for suggesting that "wackos" run the South American country.

Jose Vicente Rangel was reacting to McCain's statement on Sunday that America must explore alternative energy sources to avoid depending on Iran or by "wackos" in Venezuela - apparently a reference to Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

"It looks like they have nothing else to do in the United States," Rangel said, adding that the Americans have "so many problems, 40 million poor people, 30 million drug users, and an American senator is paying attention to us. He can go to hell."

McCain, a potential Republican presidential contender in 2008, said recent actions by Chavez and by Iran's leaders make it clear that the United States will be vulnerable as long as it remains dependent on foreign energy.

"We've got to get quickly on a track to energy independence from foreign oil, and that means, among other things, going back to nuclear power," the Arizona senator said on Fox News Sunday. "We better understand the vulnerabilities that our economy, and our very lives, have when we're dependent on Iranian mullahs and wackos in Venezuela."

Despite political differences between Caracas and Washington, the United States remains the top buyer of oil from Venezuela, the world's No.5 exporter.

Chavez has repeatedly accused the United States of conspiring to topple his government, an allegation U.S. officials deny.

The Venezuelan leader says his government would halt oil exports to the United States if Washington ever attempted to invade this South American nation.

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Curiosity
#2
McCain should practice some diplomacy...

...if he is gonna throw his hat into the presidential battle....

Two old military fools still whipping out their sabres to discuss economics and trade.

The world would do better with some responsible and rational discussion than this kind of press.

Zip it up John! Rangel knows nothing more than war - having gained his fame in that game. Don't start another fire we have to put out and bleed our military thin.
 
I think not
#3
Gee wiz WC, are you on high alert out in California? :P Doesn't anybody ever sleep out west?
 
#juan
#4
Diplomacy doesn't seem

to be in the American vocabulary. The Americans have tried to overthrow Chavez's legally elected government. A well-known TV evangelist has called for Chavez's assassination. Now a U.S. presidential hopeful publically calls the Venezuelan leaders,"whackos". I would say the "wackos" preside in Washington.
 
Curiosity
#5
ITN

Morning sunshine! I am one of those high octane kinda peeps who do ok on four or five hours....I know one day I'm gonna crash but for now it suits because I can get lots done and still play. I get my head working by reading forums....waiting for coffee....(decaf)....

Besides in the summer - early morning is the only sane time of the day before the sun burns our brains.

You are a busy guy today....you've put up some good topics there!
 
I think not
#6
I like stirring the pot Keeps the blood flowing
 
Curiosity
#7
ITN

You are!
 
I think not
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

Diplomacy doesn't seem

to be in the American vocabulary. The Americans have tried to overthrow Chavez's legally elected government. A well-known TV evangelist has called for Chavez's assassination. Now a U.S. presidential hopeful publically calls the Venezuelan leaders,"whackos". I would say the "wackos" preside in Washington.

Oh come on #juan, Pat Roberston is an equal opportunity hater, he wanted Sharon to kick the bucket also, besides nobody pays any attention to him, he's been brain dead for 2 decades now.

If Chavez didn't run around pretending to be the new Che, our whackos in Washington wouldn't be paying any attention.
 
#juan
#9
Wait a minute ITN,

The American "wackos" first tried to overthrow Chavez. God! a democratically elected leader is arrested and held until his people free him. I think the Americans fired the first shots. If they are getting some return fire they have only themselves to blame.
 
missile
#10
Seems like there are two kinds of democracies in the world..the normal type and the American version. Saddam was democratically elected,too.
 
I think not
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

Wait a minute ITN,

The American "wackos" first tried to overthrow Chavez. God! a democratically elected leader is arrested and held until his people free him. I think the Americans fired the first shots. If they are getting some return fire they have only themselves to blame.

You mean the democratically elected Chavez that previously tried to overthrow the government that resulted in deaths and was later released by "behind the scenes American support". That one?

I don't care if Chavez is democratically elected or not, so was Hitler, if he keeps chumming up with Castro, Iran and North Korea, he's going to have problems.
 
Jay
#12
"Venezuela's vice president said today that U.S. Sen. John McCain "can go to hell" for suggesting that "wackos" run the South American country. "


Is "go to hell" an invitation to visit Venezuela?
 
I think not
#13
 
missile
#14
Anyway,John McCain has good reasons to be slightly whacko..5 years as a guest in a cong prison camp just might have an effect on one's mental abilities.
 
Jay
#15
I wonder what Chavez's excuse is.
 
Nosferax
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by Jay

I wonder what Chavez's excuse is.

Spicy food?
 
Curiosity
#17
John McCain

I think he was hurt badly running against Bush for the Republican nomination during the campaigns when the Republicans attacked him, his wife, an adopted bi-racial child they have, and many other ugly comments from the "whacko" Christian Right.

He has also been hurt badly from his captive years and while he puts up a great front, I have to question how he would behave under extreme stress - and I think he would not do well. His temper is carefully controlled but way too close to the surface.
He just can't go around giving one-liner humor commentary to mask the deeply set patterns for his survival which served him well in his younger years.

While I applaud him as a senator, wanting to serve his country, as a decorated war veteran who actually served in battle and in prison.... absolutely no question about his military service ..... I have to state he would not make a good president. As a good senator he has found his best place. I hope he finds it out before he falls for the call for fame.

His heart is there... he is a good man and loves his country... but he is too much of a wild card given his psychological makeup for his past will always be riding at his back.

In this day of really strange guys running many nations, especially when it comes to the days of perfecting nuclear powered weaponry....he just isn't the right guy.

He knows it and he should step back and find the U.S. (if he truly loves the place) someone who will do more than he is capable of personally.

Challenges to Venezuela notwithstanding....in an insignificant event.... it shows how the angry reaction is so close to the mouth. It could start an ugly war.
 
#juan
#18
Excuse for what Jay?

Standing up against the Bush cabal? Or was it giving some of the oil profits to his people that ticked the Bushites?
 
Jay
#19
For being an antagonist ruler of a silly little country and threatening the western worlds resolve by making friends and lending aid and comfort with places like Iran and Zimbabwe when he is really just a despot ruler with a big mouth and some oil.

It seems to me that people either love Chavez or they hate him. I don't love him.
 
#juan
#20
Quote:

For being an antagonist ruler of a silly little country and threatening the western worlds resolve by making friends and lending aid and comfort with places like Iran and Zimbabwe when he is really just a despot ruler with a big mouth and some oil.


Rubbish


You are certainly entitled to your view but your view is most definitely not everyone's view. That silly little country also happens to be one of the U.S.'s biggest suppliers of oil.
 
Jay
#21
And that makes Chavez's position even worse. Does he really think screwing around with American interests is going to get him anything more than a shorter life span?

As far as I'm concerned he should be in jail for murder and sedition.
 
#juan
#22
Hey Jay

we all have an opinion.
 
Jay
#23
Thats true.


Like I said it seems people either love or hate this guy.
 
Walter
#24
Why Venezuela Is Starving
https://mises.org/wire/why-venezuela-starving

Karma. Socialism sucks.
 
MHz
-1
#25
The same program in play today was used against Iraq in the '90's and the 'oil for food' program. Are you claiming Iraq fell because Saddam was a socialist?
The truth would be they are under a siege brought on by the IMF using their current bad bot, the US. They took over from Nazi Germany and plans to run the world are modeled after what South Africa has experience over the last 150 years.

https://www.geni.com/projects/South-...rs-Jewish/9736
20th Century

In 1903, attempts were made to restrict immigration; a strong Jewish lobby was able to influence legislation and Eastern European Jews were allowed to enter the country. Between 1920 and 1930, 20,000 Jewish immigrants arrived in South Africa.
Jews served on both sides during the Boer War. Some Boers were prejudiced against the Jews. In 1910, after the Boer War, ehe British gave the Jews an equal status with other white citizens.
The Jewish community of Cape Town formed its own community organization, the Cape Jewish Board of Deputies, and, a year later, a similar board was created for the Transvaal and Natal regions. In 1912, the two boards merged and became the South African Jewish Board of Deputies (SAJBD). Today the SAJBD represents nearly all of the Jewish community institutions and synagogues, works as a watchdog against anti-Semitic articles in the media, examines legislation concerning the Jewish community and maintains contact with Diaspora communities world-wide, as well as other political and religious organizations in South Africa.
In 1930, increased feelings of anti-Semitism and the rise of Nazism in Germany sparked the passing of the Quota Act, which restricted immigration from Greece, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Russia, and Palestine. While not expressly stated, the aim of the Quota Act was to restrict Jewish immigration. Still, the quota excluded Jews from Germany and, by 1936, another 6,000 Jews fleeing Nazi Germany went to South Africa. The new German immigrants started the Reform movement in South Africa, formally instituted by an American-born rabbi in 1933.
As Nazism influenced militant and nationalistic Afrikaners, anti-Semitic organizations began to form. The Aliens Act, was passed in 1937, closing the doors to Jewish immigrants fleeing Nazi Germany. Further fear developed after the anti-Jewish National Party came to power in 1948.
Apartheid Regime

Many South African Jewish individuals and organizations supported the anti-apartheid movement. Most Jews had voted against the apartheid National Party, casting their votes for either the Progressive Party or the United Party. The Union of Jewish Women sought to alleviate the suffering of blacks through charitable projects and self-help schemes. Fourteen of the 23 whites involved in the 1956 Treason Trial were Jewish and all five whites of the seventeen members of the African National Congress who were arrested for anti-apartheid activities in 1963 were Jewish. The Jewish Board of Deputies refused to take a stand against apartheid until 1985. The rabbinate also avoided taking a stance on the issue until the late 1980's.
One of the great leaders of the anti-Apartheid movement, Nelson Mandela, wrote about Jews in South Africa:
“I have found Jews to be more broadminded than most whites on issues of race and politics, perhaps because they themselves have historically been victims of prejudice." Mandela's defence attorney, Isie Maisels, was Jewish.
Jewish university students vehemently opposed the apartheid movement. Many Jews were arrested for anti-apartheid protests. Jews were also involved in organizations such as The Springbrook Legion, The Torch Commando, and the Black Sash. which led both active and passive anti-apartheid protests. Other Jews sought to teach, train, and include black citizens in South African society. Jews could be found in the majority of anti-apartheid organizations and protests throughout the apartheid regime.
Israel maintained diplomatic relations with South Africa throughout the period. Various Israeli leaders publicly condemned the apartheid system. During the early 1960's, Israel aligned with other African countries against apartheid. After the Six-Day War in 1967, most African countries broke diplomatic ties with Israel, except for South Africa, leading to increased relations between the two countries.
Two Jewish organizations formed in 1985: Jews for Justice (in Cape Town) and Jews for Social Justice (in Johannesburg), tried to reform South African society and build bridges between the white and black communities. In 1985, the South African Jewish Board passed a resolution rejecting apartheid.
“Jews prospered during the apartheid era, as did many non-Jewish white citizens. The Jewish population, however, contained a higher than usual percentage of college graduates. More than 50 percent of the Jews were matriculated, compared to the average 23% in the total white population. Ten percent of the Jewish community had university degrees, compared to only 4% of the total white population. Jews were disproportionately represented in the commercial and financial sectors of society. The Jewish population peaked in the early 1970's reaching nearly 119,000 people”.[1]
Between 1970 and 1992, more than 39,000 Jews left South Africa, during this same period approximately 10,000 Israelis moved into the country.
 

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