Is the US targeting Iran now??


NZDoug
Free Thinker
#421
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

The US will back down again. Sloppy paperwork is the most recent cause for 'a delay'.
The ultimate punishment would be no NATO flagged ships past that point as well as the waters below Iran all the way to Africa, for anything. China gets to give the specs for the size of the ships that will be carrying many goods.

Gibraltar stands defiante !

God Save The Queen.🇬🇧
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
#422
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

A seasoned deck monkey knows all .

They never let me on deck.

What's your analysts, pigs?

None?
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#423
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

They never let me on deck.

What's your analysts, pigs?

None?

They probably never even let you on board .
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
#424
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

They probably never even let you on board .

Oh no, they did that.
"Down below,greasy Stokers!"

Stokers are their own little world.
 
spilledthebeer
#425
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

absolutely......so provocative. Someone should teach the US that bullying is NOT a diplomatic tactic.
Nah, The Trump US does not listen, her or learn.

an aside but relevant.........He has ruined relationships with almost every nation..... participatory Allies............but favors relationships with dictators. That pus the US on a totally different path........that opposes what the constitution designed for the nation.






HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ocean KreskinHOID blowhard Breezy thinks that seizing an Iranian tanker....................


that has been used to violate United Nations Sanctions...............................


against Tehran.................................


IS SOMEHOW WORSE............................................. ......



than the Iranian plan to DESTROY ISRAEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!


And to scourge the Infidels and Blasphemers with nuclear fire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!


WHAT A MAROON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!
 
MHz
#426
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Oh no, they did that.
"Down below,greasy Stokers!"

Stokers are their own little world.

Long term exposure to carbon monoxide will do that, . . . . . just sayin . . ., people with cabin fever had a leaky airtight and a long winter. They thought it was the townies that were the crazy ones. Help arrived but was shut down when bullet sales slumped.
 
MHz
#427
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ocean KreskinHOID blowhard Breezy thinks that seizing an Iranian tanker....................

that has been used to violate United Nations Sanctions...............................

against Tehran.................................

IS SOMEHOW WORSE............................................. ......

News Update: The tanker turned on it's stealth mode and escaped. I'll bet NATO hates it when that happens.
 
MHz
#428
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

than the Iranian plan to DESTROY ISRAEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!
And to scourge the Infidels and Blasphemers with nuclear fire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

WHAT A MAROON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

You are out un-escorted today aren't you Aunty?
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
#429
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Long term exposure to carbon monoxide will do that, . . . . . just sayin . . ., people with cabin fever had a leaky airtight and a long winter. They thought it was the townies that were the crazy ones. Help arrived but was shut down when bullet sales slumped.

long term exposure to acres of asbestos, everywhere ...
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#430
In Iran’s Hierarchy, Talks With Trump Are Now Seen as Inevitable

Quote:

In the power circles of Tehran, where “Death to America” is regularly chanted, the idea has taken hold that Iran must eventually negotiate with President Trump, according to several people with knowledge of the shift.
These people said Iran’s leadership had concluded that Mr. Trump could be re-elected and that the country cannot withstand six more years of the onerous sanctions he has imposed.
It is a remarkable turnabout for the political establishment in Tehran, which for the past 40 years has staked its legitimacy on defiance of the United States but has been particularly hostile toward Mr. Trump.
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President Hassan Rouhani of Iran teased a possible meeting with Mr. Trump earlier this week, indicating he would be willing if it would benefit Iranians.
Mr. Rouhani reversed himself within 24 hours, suggesting he may have been overruled by Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. But the people with knowledge of the Iranian hierarchy’s thinking said Mr. Rouhani’s behavior should be viewed as part of the emerging new strategy.
They said the strategy was following two parallel tracks: displaying a more defiant position on Iran’s military and nuclear energy policies to irritate Mr. Trump, while signaling a willingness to talk under certain conditions, appealing to what are seen as his deal-maker instincts.
“Iran has completely shifted,” said Abbas Abdi, a onetime leader of the students who took hostages at the United States Embassy in 1979 and now a prominent figure in a faction known as the reformists, which is open to dialogue with the Americans.
Hard-liners who have opposed such dialogue, Mr. Abdi said, had “concluded that what works now with America is being tough but open to talks if Trump offers some guarantees.”
Iranian leaders were predictably outraged last year after Mr. Trump abandoned Iran’s 2015 nuclear agreement with world powers, demanded a more stringent accord and reimposed crippling sanctions on Iran.
While some may have hoped Mr. Trump could be dismissed as a one-term president, that view has faded.
The new strategy, those who spoke about it said, was also predicated on dangling a foreign-policy victory to Mr. Trump that he could use to bolster his re-election prospects.
In early August, First Vice President Eshaq Jahangiri held a meeting with a group of advisers and political affiliates to discuss the government’s approach to dealing with the United States, according to one person who attended the meeting and another who had knowledge of it.
If Mr. Trump wanted a “more comprehensive” deal than the existing accord, then Iran would consider his demand — and even discuss parts of its ballistic missile program and Iran’s role in the region — but in return Iran, too, would seek a more comprehensive guarantee from the United States for long-lasting economic relief, the people at the meeting said.
“This golden window of opportunity will likely not repeat in the next decade,” Sadegh Alhusseini, a senior foreign-policy and economic adviser to Mr. Jahangiri, said in a Twitter message. “This is the start of the game for Iran. Approaching U.S. elections give Iran a rare card to play with Trump.”
The “maximum pressure” campaign decreed by Mr. Trump has not threatened to collapse the Iranian government or led to a popular uprising, as some critics of the government had hoped. But rising tensions with the United States carry the risk of a military conflict, which Mr. Trump has said he wants to avoid.
Signs of Iran’s strategy for dealing with Mr. Trump have become clearer in recent weeks.
Iran has downed an American drone, seized a British tanker, unveiled an improved missile defense system and exceeded the amount of enriched uranium permitted under the nuclear agreement.
As part of the strategy, people with knowledge of it said, the Iranians intend to escalate tensions even more in the next few months to strengthen their hand in potential negotiations.
Iran is expected to announce a further disengagement from the nuclear deal by the first week of September and Iranian officials have said they might increase uranium enrichment up to 20 percent, far higher than needed for civilian power use.
At the same time, Iran has strengthened diplomacy. Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif toured Europe, stopped at the Group of 7 summit on a surprise invitation from France, and traveled to China, Japan and Malaysia to meet heads of states.
Mr. Trump did not meet Mr. Zarif at the Group of 7 gathering, and it remains unclear what the Iranian foreign minister might have sought from the United States there. But sanctions relief of some kind was almost certainly raised, Iranian analysts said.
“Iranians are in a deep economic crisis and there is only one way out,” said Nader Hashemi, director of the Middle East Center at Denver University. “They are going to try to push for making the deal as sweet as possible.”
Mr. Zarif’s appearance heightened speculation about direct talks after President Emmanuel Macron of France announced on the sidelines that Mr. Trump and Mr. Rouhani could sit down within weeks.
Mr. Trump gave no indication at the summit that lifting or suspending sanctions was on the table but he said other countries could give Iran a line of credit for its oil to “get them over a very rough patch.”
For Mr. Rouhani’s part, even while he rejected an imminent meeting with Trump, he offered a conditional opening.
“We won’t reach a positive change in our relations with the U.S. without America ending sanctions and rectifying its mistakes,” Mr. Rouhani said on Tuesday.
Opponents of such a meeting, in both countries, remain vocal, reflecting the history of mistrust that has shaped relations since the Islamic Revolution of 1979.
After Mr. Rouhani broached the mere possibility of a meeting with Mr. Trump, Kayhan, a Tehran newspaper that is a mouthpiece for the hard-line factions, asked: “Are you crazy?”
United Against Nuclear Iran, a New York-based group that supports Mr. Trump’s repudiation of the nuclear deal, said, “The momentum created by maximum pressure could quickly evaporate should talks between the United States and Iran take place prematurely.”
The ultimate decision on whether to negotiate with Mr. Trump lies with Ayatollah Khamenei. Iranian analysts and politicians said that Mr. Zarif would not have been dispatched to the Group of 7 meeting without Ayatollah Khamenei’s approval.
While Ayatollah Khamenei has always railed against the United States, he has in the past shown flexibility when all options were exhausted, if a compromise could be achieved with face-saving for Iran.
Iranian analysts and politicians have pointed to three examples when the government reversed itself and conceded to unbearable pressure: the release of American hostages in 1981, consent to the United Nations resolution to end the eight-year war with Iraq in 1988, and the Iran nuclear deal in 2015.
Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the father of the Islamic Republic, famously said that stopping the war with Iraq had been “more deadly than taking poison.” Since then the expression “chalice of poison” has become a synonym in Iran for capitulation. (“Showing heroic flexibility” was the term preferred by Ayatollah Khamenei after the nuclear deal.)
Iranian politicians and analysts said the 1981 hostage negotiations with the United States are being studied as a potential precedent for discussions with Mr. Trump.
At that time, which also coincided with a presidential election season, Iran negotiated the release of the hostages with the administration of President Jimmy Carter but delayed freeing them, denying Mr. Carter an achievement that could have helped him win re-election.
The hostages were released as President Ronald Reagan was giving his inaugural address.
“The rhetoric you hear against talking to America is all part of the tactic,” said Saeed Shariati, leader of an Iranian reformist political party. “Iran and the U.S. will never resolve their issue completely but they’ve made concessions before and they will have to do it once again.”

Studying their negotiation tactic with Jimmy to use against Trump too funny
 
Hoid
#431
the entire thing is pretty hysterical
 
spilledthebeer
#432
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Long term exposure to carbon monoxide will do that, . . . . . just sayin . . ., people with cabin fever had a leaky airtight and a long winter. They thought it was the townies that were the crazy ones. Help arrived but was shut down when bullet sales slumped.


Oh?????????????????????????


MHz reveals how his experiences with bad exhaust flues................................


made him into the half man he is today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#433
US imposes sanctions on Iran space program

Quote:

The United States on Tuesday imposed sanctions on Iran's space program, saying that a recent explosion on a launch pad was a sign of missile work.
"The United States will not allow Iran to use its space launch program as cover to advance its ballistic missile programs," Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said in a statement.
"Iran's August 29 attempt to launch a space launch vehicle underscores the urgency of the threat," he said.
Pompeo said that the United States was imposing sanctions on the Iran Space Agency as well as two affiliated research centers.
Under the orders, all US citizens or residents would be held criminally responsible for interacting with Iran's space program.
"These designations should serve as a warning to the international scientific community that collaborating with Iran's space program could contribute to Tehran's ability to develop a nuclear weapon delivery system.
President Donald Trump on Friday tweeted a high-resolution picture pointing to damage at a satellite launch pad and said the United States had nothing to do with it.
The tweet gathered wide attention not only for Trump's denial but due to speculation the president was taking to his favorite medium to show US intelligence that was likely classified.
While Trump focused on denying a role by the United States -- which has widely been reported to have used clandestine means to set back Iranian military development -- Pompeo said that the launch showed a threat from Iran.
Iranian government spokesman Ali Rabiei on Monday confirmed an explosion at a satellite launch pad in the north of the country and blamed a technical fault.

Iran set to make new cut in nuclear commitments

Iran is starting to blink, trying to play off Europe and the US, but still demanding $14 Billion in the deal
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#434
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

absolutely......so provocative. Someone should teach the US that bullying is NOT a diplomatic tactic.
Nah, The Trump US does not listen, her or learn.

an aside but relevant.........He has ruined relationships with almost every nation..... participatory Allies............but favors relationships with dictators. That pus the US on a totally different path........that opposes what the constitution designed for the nation.

Have Iran and the U.S.of A. Started a shooting war yet ? Did that big meany declare war ? Inquiring minds want to know .
 
Cannuck
No Party Affiliation
#435
You’re an idiot
 
MHz
#436
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

long term exposure to acres of asbestos, everywhere ...

That must be your confession.
Do you even recall the thread title or is everyone labeled 'get MHz' as far as the loco fuktards.
Iran is still standing, maybe the US is all words and fuk all for action now they have new handlers.
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#437
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Have Iran and the U.S.of A. Started a shooting war yet ? Did that big meany declare war ? Inquiring minds want to know .

"inquiring minds" would not have to ask. They would know.
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
+1
#438
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Have Iran and the U.S.of A. Started a shooting war yet ? Did that big meany declare war ? Inquiring minds want to know .

You read a lot of National Enquirer, do you?
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#439
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

US imposes sanctions on Iran space program



Iran set to make new cut in nuclear commitments

Iran is starting to blink, trying to play off Europe and the US, but still demanding $14 Billion in the deal




Was there not some psychologist who suggested that.......................................


rapid eye blinking could be a sign of a LIAR????????????????


Any "blinks" being made by Iran at this time............................


are on a par with the "peace negotiations" of PLO ASSHAT Yasser Arafat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Arafat distressed many of his followers by entering into peace negotiations with the hated Jews...........................


but Arafat offered consolation to his followers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Speaking in Arabic IN A FAILED ATTEMPT to tell the West one thing..............................


and tell his followers another..............................


Arafat explained that in each negotiation, Israel would make CONCESSIONS.............................


that would slowly and eventually FATALLY WEAKEN the Jewish state.................................


so the hated Jews could be driven into the Sea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Arabs - and Iranian Persians take the LONG VIEW of their goals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Iranians DO NOT see the game as being over until Israel is destroyed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thus ANY ALLEGED CONCESSION Made today by Tehran.................................


MUST BE BACKED UP by RIGOROUS REGULAR INSPECTIONS..................................


to ensure compliance with any agreements that Iran is ONLY SIGNING UNDER DURESS.........................


and thus feels ENTITLED to tear up ................................


at Iranian convenience!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Those who want to Trust Iran.............................................. .


must be comfortable....................................... ......


BEING LIED TO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#440
Iran: Oil tanker sought by US unloaded cargo on Mediterranean coast
 
Hoid
#441
the us said they would give the tanker skipper $15 million and witness protection.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#442
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

the us said they would give the tanker skipper $15 million and witness protection.

Link . Could have had Bernie , losers . Lol .
 
spilledthebeer
#443
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

the us said they would give the tanker skipper $15 million and witness protection.




The Yankees also got ignored when they told the world............................................. ............


how the Iranians were LYING THROUGH THEIR teeth...................................


about what the ship was up to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And now the Yankees are proven absolutely RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


And our resident hemerHOID is proven foolishly wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


as USUAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#444

Trump says he��s ordered substantial increase in sanctions against Iran


��I have just instructed the Secretary of the Treasury to substantially increase Sanctions on the country of Iran!�� President Trump said on Twitter. The comment comes after Iranian news agencies reported that Iran warned the United States that it would broadly retaliate against any attacks in the wake of crippling strikes on the Saudi oil industry over the weekend.

source: WAPO
 
Hoid
#445
President Game Show Host bumbles along
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
+1
#446
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

President Game Show Host bumbles along

"Hassan Rouhani! Do you want the sections behind Door #1, Door #2 or Door #3 ?"
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#447
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post


Trump says he��s ordered substantial increase in sanctions against Iran

��I have just instructed the Secretary of the Treasury to substantially increase Sanctions on the country of Iran!�� President Trump said on Twitter. The comment comes after Iranian news agencies reported that Iran warned the United States that it would broadly retaliate against any attacks in the wake of crippling strikes on the Saudi oil industry over the weekend.
source: WAPO

Good thing Bolton isn't in his ear right now
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
#448
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Good thing Bolton isn't in his ear right now

...not that the maniac listens to other people ...
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#449
Good thing otherwise the US would have attacked Iran a couple of times by now.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
+1
#450
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Good thing otherwise the US would have attacked Iran a couple of times by now.

Any bullets flying yet ? That warmongering President is missing an opportunity.