White supremacists watched in lead up to Obama administration


Praxius
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U.S. Capitol Police check observation positions in advance of Tuesday's presidential inauguration.

White supremacists watched in lead up to Obama administration - CNN.com

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Hate crimes experts and law enforcement officials are closely watching white supremacists across the country as Barack Obama prepares next week to be sworn in as the first black president of the United States.

So far, there is no known organized effort to express opposition to Obama's rise to the presidency other than a call by the National Knights of the Ku Klux Klan for its members to wear black armbands as well as fly the U.S. flag upside down on Inauguration Day and Obama's first full day in office.

As Tuesday approaches, when Obama stands outside the Capitol to take the oath of office, experts expect anger about the new president to spike. But they don't expect it to go away.

"The level of vitriol, I expect, will go up a bit more around inauguration time," said Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University-San Bernardino.

There "is concern" about white supremacist groups during the inauguration, said Joe Persichini, the assistant FBI director who is helping to oversee security during the inauguration.

The inauguration of the nation's first minority president increases any potential threat, "particularly stemming from individuals on the extremist fringe of the white supremacist movement," said a recent intelligence assessment by the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI.

But law enforcement has the appropriate resources to respond if needed, Persichini said.

"We have seen a lot of chatter," Persichini said. "We have seen a lot of discussions. We have seen some information via the Internet. But those are discussions. We look at the vulnerabilities and whether or not the groups are taking action."

"You have freedom of speech," he added. "Anyone in this nation can have a discussion about their beliefs, but we are concerned about whether or not they take that freedom of speech and exercise some act that is against the law."

Anger, violence and interest in racist ideology did increase in the hours and days after Obama was elected president in November, hate groups experts said.

Three New York men were indicted on charges of conspiracy to interfere with voting rights -- accused of targeting and attacking African-Americans in a brutal crime spree soon after Obama was declared the winner on November 4.

And interest in racist ideology was so high right after the election that computer servers for two White supremacist Web sites crashed, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups.

But the violence and interest soon subsided. Leaders within the white supremacist movement are now seeking to capitalize on Obama's presidency by using his election to help grow their organizations.

"President-elect Obama is going to be the spark that arouses the 'white movement,' " reads a posting on the National Socialist Movement Web site. "Obama's win is our win. We should all be happy of this event."

In an interview posted on his Web site on election night, former Louisiana state Rep. David Duke said Obama's election "is good in one sense -- that it is making white people clear of the fact that that government in Washington, D.C., is not our government."

"We are beginning to learn and realize our positioning," Duke, a prominent white supremacist, later said in the election night recording. "And our position is that we have got to stand up and fight now."

Mark Potok, director of the SPLC's Intelligence Project, said the leaders of these groups are frustrated by Obama's win.

"I think the hate groups are desperately looking for a silver lining in a very dark cloud for them," Potok said.

While experts said it is difficult to determine how many people belong to hate groups, they do agree with an SPLC estimate that claims there are about 900 operating now, a 40 percent increase from 2000. The vast majority of these groups promote white supremacist beliefs, and range from skinheads living in urban areas to the KKK ,which is based largely in rural settings.

It is difficult to pinpoint how many people subscribe to white supremacist views, because the Internet allows people to follow the movement under the cloak of anonymity. Leaders of the white supremacist movement are able to use their Web sites to reach a new subset of potential followers and push their racist rhetoric to the limit without outright calling for violence.

Levin said one challenge in protecting Obama is that the identity of a potential attacker would likely be unknown -- a person who believes in white supremacist ideology, but decides to act as a lone wolf.

Threats of violence are more likely to be found on Web sites that allow posters to remain anonymous.

Most white supremacist leaders have been careful in what is posted on their Web sites, "hyper-aware that they are being watched," Potok said.

But not all white supremacist leaders are mindful of their actions or care to be. Two months before the election, American National Socialist Workers Party head Bill White posted a magazine cover on his Web site featuring a picture of Obama in the cross hairs of a rifle scope with a headline "Kill This N-----?"

White is now in jail on unrelated charges that he "threatened use of force against" a juror who had helped convict another white supremacist as well as several other charges of making threats to unrelated victims.

Racism in the U.S. "remains a real problem" even though Obama won the White House, Potok said, and he predicted that hate groups will continue to grow during Obama's presidency.

"I think we are in a very worrisome moment historically," Potok said. "I say that because there are several things converging that could foster the continued growth of these groups: continuing high levels of nonwhite immigration, the prediction by the Census Bureau that whites will lose their majority in 2042, the tanking economy, and what is seen as the final insult, the election of a black man to the White House."

Levin noted that it is common knowledge the U.S. Secret Service is taking great measures to protect Obama (who began receiving coverage in May 2007, the earliest point ever for a candidate in a presidential campaign) , and emphasized it is a great challenge.

"President-elect Obama is so used to a public presence, and being among people poses some real difficulties for his protection," Levin said.

I knew it was a lot bigger of an issue then what people have been leading us to believe.

Besides the normal talk about what is in the above report..... what do you personally think would happen if, hypothetically, someone took Obama out?

For me personally, I hope it doesn't happen, because I can already imagine the crap that would hit the fan......
 
Nuggler
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Not a pretty thing to think about, but I would wager riots for a start, then a general social breakdown. Lots of blood in the streets. Troops called in. Cities set on fire.

Let's hope it doesn't happen.
 
Praxius
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Quote: Originally Posted by Nuggler View Post

Not a pretty thing to think about, but I would wager riots for a start, then a general social breakdown. Lots of blood in the streets. Troops called in. Cities set on fire.

Let's hope it doesn't happen.

Yeah that's what I see happening.... one big divisional mess.

And chances are the minorities of the country will feel they will be continually oppressed or fought tooth and nail by these groups, and thus.... form up their own groups and start taking each other out in a giant race war.

And I don't even know if the military would be effective on this situation, since it too is mixed race, and those serving will probably be affected by this situation too..... and when they do come in to keep control.... both sides will acuse the military of siding with the other and it just gets worse from there.

Beyond that, I ain't got a clue what will happen.
 
EagleSmack
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Riots for sure...big ones... LA Type.
 
Praxius
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Riots for sure...big ones... LA Type.

Well Eagle, since you're right smack dab in the middle (or Middle Upper-Right) of it all..... and have more of a first hand experience on the atmosphere down there.... what do you suspect would occur?

Hypothetically speaking of course, besides riots. What do you think could quell those riots?

I'm not asking this as a poke with a stick, but it is a bit concerning to think that something of a national scale riot could happen south of the border, over something like Race.
 
tracy
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I read something like this, then I read that post falsely attributed to Andy Rooney. THIS is how a minority can be the victim of something other than numbers.
 
Stretch
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I dont see too much crap happening..... I think people are more occupied on how they are going to survive the coming economic collapse.....obama or no obama...its gunna hurt.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by Praxius View Post

Well Eagle, since you're right smack dab in the middle (or Middle Upper-Right) of it all..... and have more of a first hand experience on the atmosphere down there.... what do you suspect would occur?

If Obama gets assasinated at any point there will be riots. Nasty ones just like the Rodney King riots.

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Hypothetically speaking of course, besides riots. What do you think could quell those riots?

The same thing that quelled the other riots...lots of tear gas...overwhelming force... and the rioters just plain old getting tired from rioting.

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I'm not asking this as a poke with a stick, but it is a bit concerning to think that something of a national scale riot could happen south of the border, over something like Race.

I do not think it would happen everywhere. It would happen in the urban areas and in minority areas. Sure you will have your Anarchist but they will stay away from the black areas because if you are white you will be targeted regardless of who you voted for. And in fairness...you will most likely be saved by a black person as well if you drove down the wrong road.
 
VanIsle
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It is difficult at best to realize that there are still people arrogant enough to believe that because they are "white" they are supreme. Not a lot of so called white people are 100% white. We are such a blend of races world wide. No race reigns supreme.
As for Obama - I think that has been everyone's worry since the day he said he would run for the Presidency. He'll have to dress in body armour all the time. Scary stuff for sure.
 
Praxius
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Quote: Originally Posted by Stretch View Post

I dont see too much crap happening..... I think people are more occupied on how they are going to survive the coming economic collapse.....obama or no obama...its gunna hurt.

Yeah but as history has shown in the past, when people are put in desperate situations, they tend to try and focus blame on others..... case in point would be how Germany blamed most of their problems on forigners and jewish people.

Not that I am comparing the US to Germany, I'm comparing the mentality of racists and how they can use excuses like the economy or their current situations in life to focus anger on minorities.

And as it goes for african americans in the US.... as far as I'm aware, they've been putting up with a lot over the decades/centuries..... then they get their hopes up with Obama being president (As well they should) ~ If he's taken out..... what do you think their reaction would be?

To me, I think it'd be the last straw.
 
Said1
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It's propaganda. Hitler chose to focus on the Jews. The KKK et al use other methods, although black people can often be seen in less than flattering predicaments on popular television programs - up against the wall, pants at mid crack.
 
Tyr
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

If Obama gets assasinated at any point there will be riots. Nasty ones just like the Rodney King riots.



The same thing that quelled the other riots...lots of tear gas...overwhelming force... and the rioters just plain old getting tired from rioting.



I do not think it would happen everywhere. It would happen in the urban areas and in minority areas. Sure you will have your Anarchist but they will stay away from the black areas because if you are white you will be targeted regardless of who you voted for. And in fairness...you will most likely be saved by a black person as well if you drove down the wrong road.

If Obama gets assasinated at any point there will be riots. Nasty ones just like the Rodney King riots.

The King riots in LA will seem like a Sunday School gathering if Obama gets 'offed.

You can't take away peoples hopes and dreams with a bullet and expect a few riots. I think you'd be looking at mass riots in the Urban areas that will go on for uite a few days until the National Guard is called out
 
Francis2004
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

If Obama gets assasinated at any point there will be riots. Nasty ones just like the Rodney King riots.

While it is true it could be an African American that could kill him. No one every said it had to be a White person..

The same thing that quelled the other riots...lots of tear gas...overwhelming force... and the rioters just plain old getting tired from rioting.

I am not sure if that would do it in this case. I think you would be facing a lot more destruction then you did back in the King days and for much longer. People would link this to the "Black Kennedy assassination" and this would go one for a long time requiring possibly your own military to intervene.

I do not think it would happen everywhere. It would happen in the urban areas and in minority areas. Sure you will have your Anarchist but they will stay away from the black areas because if you are white you will be targeted regardless of who you voted for. And in fairness...you will most likely be saved by a black person as well if you drove down the wrong road.

Totally on the mark here.. Even if you are angry and in support, if your white your life would be in danger in certain areas..


Quote: Originally Posted by Islandpacific View Post

It is difficult at best to realize that there are still people arrogant enough to believe that because they are "white" they are supreme. Not a lot of so called white people are 100% white. We are such a blend of races world wide. No race reigns supreme.

Unfortunately there are people like that.. I remember in Phoenix in 1998 with my African American friend and being hurled racial slurs that most peoples would be scared off the street because we were talking to each other having a drink a sidewalk restaurant.

As for Obama - I think that has been everyone's worry since the day he said he would run for the Presidency. He'll have to dress in body armour all the time. Scary stuff for sure.

I think that is true of all Presidents so why should colour matter.. I remember when Bush was elected in the first term people said he would not last two years because of the "00" curse.

I think however that most will want Obama to fail as a "Black" President and try to make it happen. It would be the ultimate dream if they could make it happen so no other could follow in his footsteps for a long long time.
 
Cliffy
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Is there any pure white people left in the world. We are a bunch of mutts. The pure Aryan race live in Pakistan and are as black as the ace of spades. White supremacists are not only ignorant, they don't know shyte from Shinola.
 
Tyr
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the unfortuante outcome of all of this is that once the "inaugeration" is over, the vigilance on the far right supremecists will relax and they will go back to building survival bunkers in the bush abiding their time to take over democracy
 
talloola
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When he begins 'stepping' on the toes of the lobbyists and other political ole boys, who have had it their way for years and years, and don't give a 'rat's ass' for the
people of the country, then I will worry, as I think it is they who will gather in the
backrooms and figure out how to get back to 'business as usuall', other than that,
it could be 'just' some 'nut', who says that god told him to do it, or 'whatever', or
perhaps he will be a great president for 8 years and set an example for the next
one who comes forward, just how to 'really' lead a country, and all will be proud
of him.

And why do we use that name 'white supremacists', as that actually makes them
seem supreme, and they are just a bunch of sick low life pieces of 's**t'.