Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Hoid

#9811

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 28th, 2018

The point is that there are many ways to define these things.

We choose one and we go with it.

It isn't difficult.

Ron in Regina

Free Thinker

#9812

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 28th, 2018

Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid

The point is that there are many ways to define these things.

We choose one and we go with it.

It isn't difficult.

There are consequences though and it's most likely not the criminals that will be affected, but only those that abide by the swipe of a pen and the changing of the lists regardless of the reasoning or the agenda behind the change.

Let me give you an example of a parallel argument. Many moons ago I was the Safety Supervisor & Compliance Officier for an International Commercial Carrier. Cell Phones where dropping in price and becoming more common. The debate was being had that Cell Phones where a driver distraction and what should be done about this menace? I read many studies at the time of some of the crazy ideas that still might come into play at a later date (like placing your vehicle in gear creating a dead zone for Cellular Signals in or around your vehicle).

Several of the studies I'd read at that time dealt with the difference in the level of distraction between "hands free" vrs "hand held" devices pertaining to safety, and there was no difference what so ever !! With a swipe of the pen to curtail the deadly menace of Cell Phones while driving it become illegal in most jurisdictions to us a "hand held" device but "hands free" Bluetooth (the same level of distraction) was promoted as the safer option and is still perfectly legal in most jurisdictions to this day. Change just for the sake of change made for great optics but was really no change.

Do you feel safer? Are you any safer? Is it just optics by Gov'ts to make it look like they've done something when they've really done nothing? What about all the people without Bluetooth compatible Cellular phones at that point in time? Nothing pertaining to increasing safety occurred with banning hand held (but not hands free) cell phones while driving but a whole lot of Bluetooth Cellular Phones got sold quickly after that law changed. Where the folks without Bluetooth compatible phones compensated for making their phones illegal when driving (and thus needed to be replaced) with something of equal driver distraction and zero increase in safety?

Last edited by Ron in Regina; Aug 28th, 2018 at 11:30 PM..Reason: spacing

petros

#9813

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 28th, 2018

Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister

How about you provide a link to the last mass Warfarin murder. And rats don't count. And I didn't realize your rifle had a label on it that said "For killing food only."

An attempted homicide using d-CON rat poison.
McCurdy W. J Anal Toxicol. 1988 Jan-Feb.
Show full citation
Abstract
Two adult residents became ill after ingesting food and medication allegedly tainted with d-CON. Police later recovered a box of the poison from the household of the residents and immediately arrested their teenage daughters for attempted homicide. Samples of the food and medication were analyzed for Warfarin, the active ingredient of d-CON, using ultraviolet spectrometry, gas chromatography, and gas chromatography/mass spectrometry. Results confirmed the presence of Warfarin in both the food and medication.

PMID 3352244 [Indexed for MEDLINE]

Stalin was potentially poisoned with warfarin.

Bar Sinister

No Party Affiliation

#9814

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 29th, 2018

Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo

aren't you the same person that was desparate to label knife murders as 'occasional misuse', yet knife related murders out number firearms murders in Canada.

Are you sure?

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1...pid=3510006901

And then there is the USA.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...y-weapon-used/

Tecumsehsbones

+1

#9815

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 29th, 2018

Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina

OK, first I'm going to qualify what I'm about to say by stating that I don't own a gun, have never owned a gun, and have no intention of ever owning a gun. I don't need one and I've no desire to own one. Someday that may change but that's where I'm at....

Going forward though, "An assault rifle would be defined as something that is on the list of assault rifles?" Really? Who makes the list and what is their agenda? That's a scary statement. Depending on who makes the list and what their agenda is, anything can be put on that list and it automatically becomes an assault rifle by your definition. What are you willing to give up once it's declared an assault rifle?

We actually have that in Maryland. There's the list of "enumerated weapons" (mostly 5.56mm AR-15 variants) the legislature has banned (by make and model), and the State Police, who have responsibility for enforcement, are allowed to ban "copycat weapons."

As a result, the good legislators of Maryland have protected their adoring constituents from me having this 5.56mm clip-fed semi-auto rifle taking 30- or 40-round magazines or 75-round drums:

but that's OK by me because I can and do have THESE 5.56mm clip-fed semi-auto rifles taking 30- or 40-round magazines or 75-round drums:

Do you feel safer yet?

I also have this clip-fed semi-automatic rifle in 7.62mm:

because the good legislators of Maryland were so intent on banning "the AR-15" that apparently nobody bothered to tell them that a 7.62x51mm, clip-fed semi-automatic rifle is every bit as rapid-firing, and far more powerful, than a 5.56x45mm clip-fed semi-automatic rifle.

So in the end, it's all good. The Maryland liberals feel all warm and smug now that they're protected, and I have my high-capacity guns.

Yay.

Danbones

Free Thinker

+3

#9816

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 29th, 2018

As Land Confiscations Loom, South Africa Rules 300,000 Gun-Owners Turn Over Their Weapons

Gun Control: A Tool for Tyranny

No matter how socialist apologists rationalize it, the redistributionist agenda the South African government is pursuing will not be implemented passively. Ultimately, it must be carried out by force.

The kind of force socialists seek is a monopolized kind, which extreme forms of gun control like gun confiscation help facilitate.

The history of gun confiscation is one of repeated cases of tyranny.

From countries such as Cuba to the Soviet Union, aspiring demagogues have used gun confiscation to disarm the populace. Logically, an unarmed populace will put up little resistance against their tyrannical acts.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...urn-over-their

We KNOW why you nazi commies want the guns.

Hoid

#9817

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 29th, 2018

We want the guns in order to promote public safety.

petros

+2

#9818

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 29th, 2018

Guns aren't the problem. Users are.

JLM

No Party Affiliation

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#9819

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 29th, 2018

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

Guns aren't the problem. Users are.

That's what I've been saying for years, Pete. Maybe the assholes will listen to you, they sure as Hell aren't listening to me!

MHz

#9820

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 29th, 2018

Why not 'black-box' all firearms so the trigger being pulled stops a memory loop that has sound and video from both ends of the firearm" That can be read by the cops so they already know something when 'interviewing; the people involved. If you know you will be in jail if you pull the trigger that might stop some crimes. Might as well GPS them so they trigger sensors at traffic light and buildings.

spilledthebeer

#9821

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 29th, 2018

Quote: Originally Posted by Decapoda

I wouldn't be so sure...what does the liberal government define as an "assault weapon"? Since they conveniently haven't defined the term yet, it's pretty ambiguous...and intentionally so.

What The Heck IS An Assault Rifle, Anyway?

In all the time I spent in the military, I NEVER heard a rifle referred to as an “assault weapon.” We had some “battle rifles,” a few “combat weapons,” but so far as I know, we had no assault rifles. In fact, I had never heard the term used until the leftist politicians began using it, which sort of makes me think they invented it because it sounds really bad—mean—you know?

So, I have concluded the term “assault rifle/weapon” is just another term from the vast and numerous volumes of liberal Bovine Scatology phrases used by the left to terrorize the weak-minded and undereducated graduates of the US public education system—which is darn near everybody these days.

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Pity our poor LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They are so bereft of new ideas that they can only see idiotic solutions to MASSIVE PROBLEMS that they have

created that the general public KNOWS will not work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LIE-berlas have talked themselves into a political corner!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ALL LIE-beral solutions to any LIE-beral problem will only sink them deeper into the swamp they have DELIBERATELY

flooded for themselves and then dived head first into!!!!!!!!!!!

LIE-berals are now so utterly divorced from reality that they do not react to the scorn being heaped upon their idea to ban hand guns as a "solution" to crime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JamesBondo

+1

#9822

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 29th, 2018

Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister

Are you sure?

I suggest that you take another math class. your skills are a bit rusty.

That is 3 out of 5 years where knives were higher. And, if you calculate a 5 yr average, the knives were higher.

Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid

We want the guns in order to promote public safety.

you could save more lives if you go after residential swimming pools.

White_Unifier

#9823

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 29th, 2018

Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones

We actually have that in Maryland. There's the list of "enumerated weapons" (mostly 5.56mm AR-15 variants) the legislature has banned (by make and model), and the State Police, who have responsibility for enforcement, are allowed to ban "copycat weapons."

As a result, the good legislators of Maryland have protected their adoring constituents from me having this 5.56mm clip-fed semi-auto rifle taking 30- or 40-round magazines or 75-round drums:

but that's OK by me because I can and do have THESE 5.56mm clip-fed semi-auto rifles taking 30- or 40-round magazines or 75-round drums:

Do you feel safer yet?

I also have this clip-fed semi-automatic rifle in 7.62mm:

because the good legislators of Maryland were so intent on banning "the AR-15" that apparently nobody bothered to tell them that a 7.62x51mm, clip-fed semi-automatic rifle is every bit as rapid-firing, and far more powerful, than a 5.56x45mm clip-fed semi-automatic rifle.

So in the end, it's all good. The Maryland liberals feel all warm and smug now that they're protected, and I have my high-capacity guns.

Yay.

You must live in a very dangerous part town I take it?

JamesBondo

+1

#9824

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 29th, 2018

Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier

You must live in a very dangerous part town I take it?

how many successful mass shootings take place at a gun range?

Tecumsehsbones

#9825

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 29th, 2018

Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier

You must live in a very dangerous part town I take it?

Nah, I just like to shoot. And I don't like to re-load. And I'm fond of bullpups. For any reasonable self- or home-defense situation, I'd use a shotgun or a handgun.

JamesBondo

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#9826

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 29th, 2018

Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones

Nah, I just like to shoot. And I don't like to re-load. And I'm fond of bullpups. For any reasonable self- or home-defense situation, I'd use a shotgun or a handgun.

I use silk sheets on the staircase, a dry ice generator, and a teargas canister. So far, I gotten 2 sister in laws, and a grandmother. They all asked to be shot, but I didn't oblige.

MHz

#9827

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 29th, 2018

Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister

Are you sure?

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1...pid=3510006901

And then there is the USA.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...y-weapon-used/

Okay, now show that against all deaths. The is a similar chart for the top 10 medical conditions that kill when they reach the 'incurable' stage.
With any luck there is one for 'accidents of all kinds' also. When that is put together you get a better picture of where it fits in as far as 'preventable deaths before old age claims you'.

Tecumsehsbones

+1

#9828

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 29th, 2018

Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo

I use silk sheets on the staircase, a dry ice generator, and a teargas canister. So far, I gotten 2 sister in laws, and a grandmother. They all asked to be shot, but I didn't oblige.

I'm not sure which I admire more: your cruelty, or your creativity!

Bar Sinister

No Party Affiliation

#9829

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 29th, 2018

Quote: Originally Posted by MHz

Okay, now show that against all deaths. The is a similar chart for the top 10 medical conditions that kill when they reach the 'incurable' stage.
With any luck there is one for 'accidents of all kinds' also. When that is put together you get a better picture of where it fits in as far as 'preventable deaths before old age claims you'.

Another non-sequitur. We are not talking about all deaths. It is a gun control thread, not a cancer or heart disease thread or home accident thread. The point it that every year hundreds of millions of dollars are wasted chasing after idiots with firearms and it all would be quite unnecessary if so many idiots were not allowed access to firearms. And then there is the massive psychological and physical damage gun crime causes.

Can the U.S. afford the massive cost of gun violence?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-veg...conomic-costs/

JamesBondo

#9830

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 29th, 2018

whats the matter, you don't have any canadian data?

bluebyrd35

No Party Affiliation

#9831

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 30th, 2018

Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo

how many successful mass shootings take place at a gun range?

Well two years ago there were two suicides by gun at a target shooting range in Florida. The irony was these were two elderly persons who couldn't afford the gun so rented one from the range. Needless to say that particular range no longer rents guns!!

Quote "you could save more lives if you go after residential swimming pools."

Now as far as swimming pools only 23% of drownings happen in pools. 77% plus happen in natural bodies of water,............so that particular comment was completely silly ...considering the drowning deaths come nowhere near those caused by guns ...... which I keep pointing out are produced for the sole purpose of killing"

Canada has better gun laws than the US. and while they are not perfect anymore than humanity is. most people not living all that close to the American border are quite content with our laws/

EagleSmack

#9832

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 30th, 2018

The War on Guns is over.

JamesBondo

#9833

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 30th, 2018

Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35

Now as far as swimming pools only 23% of drownings happen in pools. 77% plus happen in natural bodies of water,............so that particular comment was completely silly …

If it saves just 1 life it would be worth it, correct?

Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35

considering the drowning deaths come nowhere near those caused by guns ...

that is correct, at 570 Canadian children drownings in 10 years, children killed by guns don't even come close.

Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35

... which I keep pointing out are produced for the sole purpose of killing"

Yes, please keep pointing that out, I love how ridiculous it makes you sound.

Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35

Canada has better gun laws than the US. and while they are not perfect anymore than humanity is.

certainly, you can show Canada's change in trending responded to each new Canadian law?

MHz

#9834

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 30th, 2018

Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack

The War on Guns is over.

http://www.youtube.com/user/psico1982

White_Unifier

#9835

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 30th, 2018

I do think that a person should be required to register his firearm and, should he sell it, require the buyer to register it at time of purchase. For example, if I'm selling my firearm to someone, I'd have to meet him at a shop that offers a registration service where he would enter the buyer's name into the registry for that firearm and then remove my name from it. I imagine that a shop that offers this service might charge for it, but so be it. Maybe we could allow the police department and local government to offer this service for a reasonable fee too.

Yes a person can lose his firearm or have it stolen. In that case, the onus would be on him to report it as soon as possible so that he's not held responsible for any crime committed with it.

Things like this should be made more difficult:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilt...lton-1.4803477

JamesBondo

+1

#9836

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 30th, 2018

Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier

I do think that a person should be required to register his firearm

How is this going to stop one bullet?

Walter

#9837

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 30th, 2018

Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35

Quote "you could save more lives if you go after residential swimming pools."
Now as far as swimming pools only 23% of drownings happen in pools. 77% plus happen in natural bodies of water,............so that particular comment was completely silly

Child drownings dramatically increase with lifeguards blaming parents’ obsession with smartphones
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/702871...blame-parents/

Gotta ban pools and phones and parents.

Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo

How is this going to stop one bullet?

Doesn’t matter cuz it makes the progs feel good.

Hoid

#9838

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 30th, 2018

Only you get a laugh out of drowning chldren

Curious Cdn

No Party Affiliation

#9839

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 30th, 2018

Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack

The War on Guns is over.

Humans lost.

Tecumsehsbones

#9840

Re: Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Aug 31st, 2018

Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid

Only you get a laugh out of drowning chldren

Preferably in their own blood.

The weird thing is that this hate-filled old man considers himself a Christian.

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