Gun Control is Completely Useless.


Hoid
#9151
This is not a popular solution among gun enthusiasts.

The need their guns because of all the gun violence.
 
spilledthebeer
#9152
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Definitely a gun control problem...………………………………..by an Asshole!




What those two wounded kids indicate is business as usual among Toronto gangs!


That Meadovale/McNIcholl area is very heavily ethnic- lots of East Asians and it seems very likely that shooting the kids was a warning to somebody about turf wars!


So it IS a gun control problem since most of the pistols on Toronto streets come from United States.


IT IS an immigration problem since so many non whites are involved in various criminal activities as a way to supplement their incomes.


And it IS a crime control problem as LIE-berals INSIST THAT CRIME NUMBERS ARE DOWN- and thus we do not need more cops!



So crimes are not investigated as completely as they should be!


As proof we need only look at the 2 cops currently in LIE-beral hot water for not finding the dead woman in the alley way- the woman whose mother found her 4 days later!


The 2 cops were sent ONLY to the house to ask if anybody had seen the missing woman- they had NO search warrant and simply followed orders- they showed the photo around and got shrugs in response so off they went- and never found the body!


Only in the twisted mind of a LIE-beral would cops be blamed for not finding something at an area they were NOT allowed time to search and had no search warrant and thus NO legal permission to search in the fist place!
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
+2
#9153
Quote: Originally Posted by kiwi55 View Post

If it was up to me I would ban all gun sales and gun possession. If you don't like that move to the US.

And that will solve the situation? How? Do criminals and idiots abide by bans and care about the laws?
 
Colpy
Conservative
+3
#9154
Quote: Originally Posted by kiwi55 View Post

If it was up to me I would ban all gun sales and gun possession. If you don't like that move to the US.


I would suggest that you move to Red China, where you would be happier being told what to do.


Do you have any idea how idiotic and how tired "If you don't like Canada's gun control, move to the USA" is at this point?


Or maybe you should GTFO to New Zealand, which has slightly less gun control than Canada.......
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+2
#9155
Quote: Originally Posted by kiwi55 View Post

If it was up to me I would ban all gun sales and gun possession. If you don't like that move to the US.

Come check my cattle without a gun and protect them and you from the Wolves, Bears, coyotes etc. rabies are known to be in our area although I haven't had to shoot a rabid animal in a long time now.
 
Hoid
#9156
We have gangsters shooting people from cars who are not even the targets just ordinary children, but the important part is that those gangsters have a right to have those kind of guns in that time and place because a farmer might have to shoot a coyote in Sask.

See?

It makes sense.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+2
#9157
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

We have gangsters shooting people from cars who are not even the targets just ordinary children, but the important part is that those gangsters have a right to have those kind of guns in that time and place because a farmer might have to shoot a coyote in Sask.

See?

It makes sense.

Are they actually possessing and handling them legally? See the difference?

Throw their asses in jail for the crime, throw their asses in jail for possessing illegal firearms, pretty simple isn't it?
 
petros
+3
#9158
I wish it were open season on gangbangers like it is for coyotes that kill children.
 
Colpy
Conservative
+3
#9159
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

We have gangsters shooting people from cars who are not even the targets just ordinary children, but the important part is that those gangsters have a right to have those kind of guns in that time and place because a farmer might have to shoot a coyote in Sask.

See?

It makes sense.


Jesus.


Do you have a personal philosophy that says you have to make a damned fool of yourself on-line every single day?


If so, you're doing a fine job


First of all, no one says gangsters have a right to firearms. That is why we have training, daily background checks, complaint lines, and licensing.


Secondly, what kind of a gun do you think was used? Idiot. There's a 80% chance at least it was a handgun, which requires even more qualifications before a civilian is allowed to own it.


Thirdly, Explain to me WTF you would do with gun control, seeing as our current laws don't work perfectly,. and the proposed new law has nothing whatsoever to do with shootings like this one.


It is easy to throw shlt, try presenting a solution.


I can't wait. My giggle meter is turned on full.
 
Hoid
#9160
See?

Little girls getting shot from cars in Toronto is ok. That's normal. It happens all the time.

Nothing ever changes and therefore the rules never need to change either.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
+2
#9161
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

See?

Little girls getting shot from cars in Toronto is ok. That's normal. It happens all the time.

Nothing ever changes and therefore the rules never need to change either.

That's stupid and totally unacceptable and anyone joking about it is sick.
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
+2
#9162
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

See?

Little girls getting shot from cars in Toronto is ok. That's normal. It happens all the time.

Nothing ever changes and therefore the rules never need to change either.

Maybe YOU need rules, responsible adults are a different matter.

We should worry about Girls shot with illegal guns, by felons whole don't obey the laws, which you nits can't stop, because all of you control freak nazis are useless in the real world
(unless you are GENOCIDALLY wrecking countries and stealing BILLIONS), and want us real people to have to pay for YOUR CRIMES against humanity.

I understand in places like London, beyond taking guns, now you all are even after the silver...
( BUTTER KNIVES...Pffft!!??! )

Which is why YOU need rules, and responsible adults are a different matter.
 
JamesBondo
+1
#9163
lets stay focused on the things that matter.

- the shooter needs to go to jail for a very long time.
- the handgun is almost certainly a product of organized crime and the drug trafficing industry.

- you have to face the reality that a university student/ recreational drug user in toronto has more blood on his hands than an Alberta duck hunter. Both don't own handguns. follow the money.
 
spaminator
#9164
FLORIDA SCHOOL SHOOTING: Security monitor accused of sexually harassing students, including shooting victim
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Published:
June 15, 2018
Updated:
June 15, 2018 4:15 PM EDT
In this Feb. 14, 2018 frame from surveillance video provided by the Broward Sheriff's Office, Andrew Medina, center, is interviewed by detectives following the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida.AP
PARKLAND, Fla. — An unarmed security monitor who critics say could have stopped the Florida high school massacre was suspended last year for sexually harassing two female students, with one of them later dying in February’s shooting, her family told The Associated Press on Thursday.
The father and brother of Meadow Pollack say she was one of two girls Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School security monitor Andrew Medina harassed last year. Medina was suspended for three days, even though a disciplinary panel recommended he be fired, a newspaper reported Thursday.
Andrew Pollack and his 20-year-old son, Hunter, said they didn’t learn until after the Feb. 14 shooting that left 17 dead that Meadow and her mother had reported Medina, now 39, to Stoneman Douglas officials. Andrew Pollack said his ex-wife didn’t tell them “because she knew I would have handled it.”
“I wouldn’t have just let it go.”
Hunter Pollack said a Broward school investigator gave him the details after the shooting.
In this March 7, 2018 file photo Andrew Pollack, father of shooting victim Meadow Pollack, stands to applause in the Florida House gallery after the school safety bill passed the House at the Florida Capitol in Tallahassee, Fla. Mark Wallheiser / AP
“Every day more incompetence gets exposed,” said Andrew Pollack, an outspoken critic of how Broward County school officials and sheriff’s deputies dealt with suspect Nikolas Cruz before the shooting. Medina “should have been fired a long time ago.”
Medina did not return a call from the AP seeking comment. The school district said in a statement late Thursday that Medina was suspended because he denied the allegations, had no previous disciplinary record and “there was no direct evidence to distinguish between the conflicting statements provided by the student and the employee.”
According to records obtained by the South Florida SunSentinel, Medina, who is also an assistant baseball coach, asked one girl to go on a date and another said he made lewd comments to her and said he wanted to visit her at work. Broward County Schools investigators say one of the students’ stories was corroborated by surveillance video of Medina approaching her in a hallway on Feb. 16, 2017.
According to Andrew and Hunter Pollack, Meadow was one of the girls. They said Medina would call Meadow, then 17, “beautiful and sweetheart,” making her uncomfortable. They say that when her boyfriend confronted Medina, Medina threatened him. Meadow and her mother then reported Medina, they said.
VIDEO: Security monitor details moments before Parkland high school massacre
‘WE DON’T FORGET’: Slain Parkland teens honoured at Florida high school’s senior prom
‘I WILL NEVER SEE MY PRINCESS AGAIN’: Anger boils over at Florida school shooting funerals
FLORIDA SCHOOL SHOOTING: Nikolas Cruz was diagnosed with autism, ADHD; Students rage against politicians, NRA in anti-gun rally
Hunter Pollack said the other girl told him Medina made comments about her body and invited her over to his house for drinks.
“He’s a bum,” Hunter Pollack said.
In this file photo taken on February 16, 2018 A memorial for Meadow Pollack, one of the victims of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting, sits in a park in Parkland, Florida. RHONA WISE / AFP/Getty Images
Medina told detectives investigating the shooting that he spotted Cruz entering the school grounds carrying a bag and recognized him as a troubled former student who could be dangerous.
“We had a meeting about him last year, and we said, ‘If there’s gonna be anybody who’s gonna come to this school and shoot this school up, it’s gonna be that kid,”‘ Medina told investigators shortly after the shooting in a videotaped interview that was made public by prosecutors last week.
Medina didn’t confront Cruz, nor did he call a “Code Red,” which would have triggered an automatic lockdown of classrooms and brought police to the school, because he said he didn’t see a gun. Instead, he radioed another unarmed security monitor, who hid in a closet when the shooting began.
Medina still works for the district but not at Stoneman Douglas.
“They still won’t fire the guy,” Andrew Pollack said. “There is incompetence everywhere in the Broward schools.”
Attorneys for the 19-year-old Cruz have said he would plead guilty in exchange for a sentence of life without parole. Prosecutors say they will seek the death penalty.
FLORIDA SCHOOL SHOOTING: Security monitor accused of sexually harassing students, including shooting victim | Toronto Sun
 
Colpy
Conservative
+2
#9165
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

See?

Little girls getting shot from cars in Toronto is ok. That's normal. It happens all the time.

Nothing ever changes and therefore the rules never need to change either.


Thanks for totally discrediting yourself yet again, thus proving you're just a troll and an idiot.


Go away, little boy, the adults are trying to have a discussion.
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#9166
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Thanks for totally discrediting yourself yet again, thus proving you're just a troll and an idiot.


Go away, little boy, the adults are trying to have a discussion.


Poor LIE-berals- they tell so many lies about so many situations and then wonder why they cannot get elected!


They have told us for years that crime rates are going down and yet last Friday evening/June 15 the loonie leftist news media started telling us just how much gun crime has ACTUALLY GONE UP IN that same time period!



LIE-berals and their media boot lickers cannot even keep their lies straight!


Shooting 2 little kids on the street is a stark and vicious warning from one criminal gang to another! And that is the heart of the problem- organized crime is a cancer in our society! It is a cancer that LIE-berals have IGNORED for decades!


In summer 2017 LIE-berals RELEASED SEVEN accused killers with out the bother of a trial- LIE-beral hug a thug judges were too busy on other matters to bother supplying trials for the 7 KILLERS in reasonable time frames! That same year LIE-berals released 4 men from 2 separate fraud cases- one guy had stolen $30 million dollars and the other 3- less clever I guess- stole only $14 million dollars!


So one has to ask what influence this LIE-beral indifference to crime will have on other criminals? Will they decide Ontari-owe cops are tough and go some place else to rob and kill? Or will they decide that LIE-beral Ontari-owe is full of suckers?


And yes- LIE-berals will whine that it is Doug Ford`s problem now but that is a LIE! Municipal mayors like Jackass John Tory are far more influential when it comes to policing! It is Toronto cops who are trying to sort out the shooting of the 2 kids- it is NOT OPP!


And it is federal LIE-berals who will guide the hug a thug judges who will sit in judgement on the thugs who shot those kids- if they are ever found!


Further- it is federal LIE-berals who guide and direct the Border Security agents when it comes to inspecting shipments of anything into Canada- and currently less than one percent of shipments is even looked at much less fully inspected! LIE-berals have simply closed their eyes to ball manner of crime- for fear of losing votes among our criminal class!
 
Hoid
#9167
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

lets stay focused on the things that matter.

- the shooter needs to go to jail for a very long time.
- the handgun is almost certainly a product of organized crime and the drug trafficing industry.

- you have to face the reality that a university student/ recreational drug user in toronto has more blood on his hands than an Alberta duck hunter. Both don't own handguns. follow the money.

First - the handgun will be the product of a handgun manufacturer.

Second the problem we are having is that the gang member is using the law that protects the Alberta duck hunters access to guns in order to get the handgun and ammo that he uses to shoot innocent children in playgrounds.
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#9168
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

First - the handgun will be the product of a handgun manufacturer.

Second the problem we are having is that the gang member is using the law that protects the Alberta duck hunters access to guns in order to get the handgun and ammo that he uses to shoot innocent children in playgrounds.


Face it Hoid- JamesBondo NAILED you and exposed your bigoted and hypocritical stance with his post!



LIE-berals WILL NOT put anybody in jail for a long time! Or even for a short time!



LIE-berals will NOT go after organized crime because it would cut into their gravy supply and would cost them votes as a stream of black gang bangers marched through the legal system!


Further- if LIE-berals did launch a war on crime it would cause a public uproar over how badly LIE-beral are handling immigration issues!


WE must deal with our home grown criminals but we have NO need to import more from around the world!


LIE-berals have just announced that they will no longer deport recently landed immigrants who get arrested for drunk driving during their "probationary period"!




And here is an interesting article on Muslim drivers in Canada- being Muslims at least they are not DRUNKS- but clearly there are other problems that LIE-berals want to HIDE!


For LIE-berals clinging to power at any price trumps public safety!



Refugees can drive without license (Quebec)

Quebec: Syrian refugees can't pass license tests -- but drive anyway.

Quebec newspapers are far less politically correct than newspapers in English Canada. Here's an example: "Refugees struggle to get their drivers license."

Quebec's insurance authority lets refugees who have a valid drivers license back in their home country drive for six months grace period after which they have to pass the test in Quebec.

But they're failing again and again.

And for six months at least, we have people driving who are a danger on the roads.

Le Devoir quotes someone saying,

"He knew a lady who had failed the test no less than twenty times. Often, refugees continued to drive illegally, collecting fines."
Great.

Trudeau's refugee policy is a disaster.

Poverty, unemployment, lack of basic life skills.

Oh, and he's said he'll bring in 50,000 a year for four years. This is just the beginning.
 
Hoid
#9169
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/...b056b22639d8cb

Red Flag guns laws are something that all states should adopt they give courts the ability to disarm people who are acting in ways that indicate mental instability.

Generally people have to snap and start shooting before authorities can move on them, but 5 states already had red flag laws and since Parkland 5 more including Florida have passed them.

Three of the states have republican governors - who are generally opposed to any gun laws.

So there is hope.
 
spilledthebeer
#9170
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/...b056b22639d8cb

Red Flag guns laws are something that all states should adopt they give courts the ability to disarm people who are acting in ways that indicate mental instability.

Generally people have to snap and start shooting before authorities can move on them, but 5 states already had red flag laws and since Parkland 5 more including Florida have passed them.

Three of the states have republican governors - who are generally opposed to any gun laws.

So there is hope.


And it ALL comes back to LIE-berals not giving a sh+t about crime- just so long as THEY are not the ones being shot at!


If LIE-berals were the caring and compassionate people they routinely masquerade as -then they would be forcing treatment on schizophrenics and others with mental health issues!


But LIE-berals long ago decided it might make them unpopular if they forced treatment on crazy people and such treatments would DEFINITELY cut into their gravy supply so they chose to say "screw it- let them run loose and the cops can shoot the ones getting out of control!


This is one reason why LIE-beral Wynne-bag did not get re-elected in spite of offering new money for mental health- its worthless if a doctor cannot hold and treat the seriously ill and delusional ones!
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
#9171
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

See?

Little girls getting shot from cars in Toronto is ok. That's normal. It happens all the time.

Nothing ever changes and therefore the rules never need to change either.

There are laws against that already. Just not enforced. The government has failed dysmally in it's job to protect law abiding citizens which is why we must be permitted to protect our own.

Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

First - the handgun will be the product of a handgun manufacturer.

Second the problem we are having is that the gang member is using the law that protects the Alberta duck hunters access to guns in order to get the handgun and ammo that he uses to shoot innocent children in playgrounds.

You really are retarded. It is illegal most places to hunt ducks with a handgun.
 
Colpy
Conservative
+4
#9172
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

First - the handgun will be the product of a handgun manufacturer.

Second the problem we are having is that the gang member is using the law that protects the Alberta duck hunters access to guns in order to get the handgun and ammo that he uses to shoot innocent children in playgrounds.


Every time you post, I think we have finally plumbed the depth of your stupidity.


And every time you post again, I realize I was wrong.


Exactly how are laws "that protects the Alberta duck hunters access to guns" help gangsters get illegal handguns?


I don't really expect an answer.


Not a rational one, at least.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
+1
#9173
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Every time you post, I think we have finally plumbed the depth of your stupidity.


And every time you post again, I realize I was wrong.


Exactly how are laws "that protects the Alberta duck hunters access to guns" help gangsters get illegal handguns?


I don't really expect an answer.


Not a rational one, at least.


Beats me why some people have to keep reminding the whole wide world about how stupid they are. Maybe they think if it's impossible to be famous for something, it's better if they are infamous for something, no matter how stupid!
 
JamesBondo
+1
#9174
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Every time you post, I think we have finally plumbed the depth of your stupidity.


And every time you post again, I realize I was wrong.


Exactly how are laws "that protects the Alberta duck hunters access to guns" help gangsters get illegal handguns?


I don't really expect an answer.


Not a rational one, at least.

that sums it up quite acurately
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#9175
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

that sums it up quite acurately


LIE-berals have told us so many lies about so many things that it is hard for them to keep track of all their crap! For years LIE-berals have told us crime numbers where going down- and that is nothing but LIE-beral propaganda! Consider:



I put this post up a while back but its worth repeating because it PROVES that Lie-beral philosophy and policy have completely lost touch with reason, reality and logic- which is why LIE-berals CLAIM crime numbers are down!

So, lets talk about Crime and Bullshit! Figures don’t lie but liars figure. Crime statistics are down in this country because crime is evolving and it simply LOOKS like crime is reduced. During his last term in office prime minister Pierre Trudeau and his LIE-beral hug a thug friends CHANGED how crime statistics were compiled-at the time Conservatives complained that the change would make it harder to compare crime statistics from different decades-an obvious point now proven.

LIe-berals will deny this in every way. They will INSIST that “no fundamental changes have been made to the system” and of course we recognize the weasel words “:no fundamental changes”.....meaning THEY don’t think its important but anybody who has been robbed or victimized in some way and then watched as LIE-beral appointed `hug a thug` judges give out minor slaps on the criminal wrist DOES think it’s a BIG DEAL!

If you argue these points, LIE-berals will send you links to out of date and irrelevant Stats/Canada publications to `prove` their point using papers and publications that don’t address the issues. They will also try to distract by discussing the Young Offenders Act rather than looking at the issues involving adult career criminals which is what I am trying to illustrate here. LIE-berals have already made it virtually impossible to learn anything useful about Youth crime and now they are doing the same “hide it all for the good of the party” job with adult crime numbers. In short, they will prove once again why we call them LIE-berals!

Under the old system there was one crime if you `possessed` burglar tools and planned to break into a home while the family was away some place, A second crime if you actually broke into the house, A third crime (theft over $5000.00) occurred when you found the keys to a vehicle in the garage and decided to load it up with the stuff you stole from the house and use it as a getaway vehicle. A fourth crime occurred when you found a gun cabinet and broke it open and took possession of and loaded a shotgun for which you have no license. The family comes home unexpectedly and you take them hostage using your stolen shotgun and that’s the fifth and six crimes-kidnaping and misuse of a firearm. A neighbour sees you waving the gun and phones the cops who arrive on the scene and you fire the shotgun out a window a couple of times to keep them back while you consider your options and thus produce crime seven ( assault with a deadly weapon) and crime eight which is resisting arrest. Prior to Trudeau each of these crimes would be listed separately and would be relatively easy to track in appropriate categories-firearm offenses, burglary, theft etc. But now these eight crimes are lumped together as ONE CRIME SCENE and its now MUCH HARDER to track individual crimes since they are no longer listed in such an easy to access and read fashion.

Further, as of 20 years ago about 80% of criminals had their cases `plea bargained` and now we can only guess (since Lie-berals don’t like to talk about this stuff and hide the details where possible and they certainly don’t want to admit that they are practicing `catch and release` with dangerous criminals) that today virtually ALL criminals cut endless deals during which major crimes become minor crimes and minor crimes become small misdemeanors or are easily forgotten entirely....except by the victims. Why bother trying the guy for possession of stolen property when you already have him for stabbing somebody? Crimes are `lost`, forgotten, dismissed, not needed, just plain GONE so the statistics are now useless for getting a real view of crime in Canada.

Further, the evolution of technology is encouraging crime itself to evolve. Why bother getting a gun and a stolen getaway car and robbing a store when you can get a bunch of forged credit cards from your neighbours in organized crime and go on a spending spree with no consequences to speak of? Why bother getting out of your comfortable arm chair and going out into the dark and cold to vandalize the house of a neighbour you don’t like when its so much easier just to lounge in your pajamas in front of a computer screen and send the jerk a virus? And maybe hack his credit cards and online banking information as well? As we know, cops don’t even bother looking for those who spread viruses and hackers are mostly ignored as well....UNLESS there is a really HUGE internet disruption.

The computer is good for all sorts of things like selling stuff online that you have stolen or forged-no need to show yourself and your ID to a pawn shop owner or to a `fence` who may turn fink on you if the cops get to him. Much better to meet the suckers at a coffee shop or at a friends place and later (if there is any trouble) the friend covers for you and denies any involvement since the sucker never saw the friend when the purchase was made and the person who sold the fraud item doesn’t live at the address where it was sold-it’s a double blind cutout.

There is also the political action of thugs and gang members. Thugs have figured out that there is safety in numbers-each gang banger and his girlfriend and mother providing an alibi for the others which makes conviction much harder due to less evidence and the few potential witnesses available to speak having been intimidated by strangers-read other gang members.

Even worse- parents and elder care givers are often dependent on the “income” the gang kid supplies- either from criminal activities or from welfare payments. If one or two family members go to jail it may result in the elders getting evicted to smaller or cheaper quarters- MTHC frowns on one old person living in a 3 bedroom affordable apartment that they cannot pay for- even if the other gangsters will be coming home eventually! So elders are put in an awkward position of feeling compelled to LIE to authorities about criminal activities in exchange for fiscal support!

The thugs also are putting pressure on loonie leftist Lie-beral politicians to rein in `racist` cops and end their alleged brutality. A while back the Lie-beral loving Toronto (Red) Star did an article on how much crime has dropped in 2014 and how quiet it has become in Youth Court rooms across Toronto......the article being presented as if meant cops had somehow decided to stop picking on poor innocent kids.......buried in the article was an admission that in response to `public`(read Black Lives Matter) pressure, cops had drastically cut back on their use of `carding`....that is....stopping and questioning known gang members and their friends who were trespassing and such.....No Contact EQUALS No Problem! No more guns and knives being confiscated, no more stashes of drugs found, no more stolen property found in cars, no more ability to track gang members as they move about the city conducting their `business`! Get the cops to stop looking for crime and the crime `statistics` start to look pretty good!

If you start talking tough on crime then certain ethnic voters scream `white racist` at you....while ignoring the Russian mobster in King City with the fine mansion and the high end BMW with all the frills....and the stash of 800 forged credit cards and the computer with enough stolen personal information to make 4000 MORE cards....which he is selling to gang members and the dork is out on parole for PREVIOUS credit card fraud. And NOBODY is counting the bribery, intimidation and outright extortion needed to get such personal information!

Or the Portuguese guy who was late for his court date to deal with his TENTH arrest for causing an auto smash up while driving drunk-this count does NOT include the MANY other times he was arrested before he hit anything.

Or the guy who extorted 30 MILLION DOLLARS here in Ontari-owe a year back and the McWynnty government cut him a deal: he KEEPS ALL the money and promises to leave Ontari-owe forever and the charge will be dropped....Ontari-owe is so BROKE they don’t have the court and legal resources to deal with such a clever swindler within a sensible time frame!

Or perhaps we should speak of the SEVEN accused murderers recently released from jail this spring of 2017 WITHOUT the bother of a trial! Yes- LIE-berals do not even have the money available to properly prosecute FIRST DEGREE murderers here in Ontari-owe and must release them or see their “rights” violated by not getting a trial in a fair and reasonable time! But LIE-berals DO have LOTS of money ofr teachers- plenty of cash to pay for millions of dollars worth of beer and pizza and comfy hotel rooms for teacher union reps while LIE-berals PRETEND to bargain hard in contract “talks” with their teacher allies! And we all know that a LIE-beral could not get elected to pick up dog crap in the park without the PURCHASED support of civil service union Hogs!

Only a Lie-beral would consider any of this a victory!
 
JamesBondo
#9176
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

LIE-berals have told us so many lies about so many things that it is hard for them to keep track of all their crap! For years LIE-berals have told us crime numbers where going down- and that is nothing but LIE-beral propaganda! Consider:



I put this post up a while back but its worth repeating because it PROVES that Lie-beral philosophy and policy have completely lost touch with reason, reality and logic- which is why LIE-berals CLAIM crime numbers are down!

So, lets talk about Crime and Bullshit! Figures don’t lie but liars figure. Crime statistics are down in this country because crime is evolving and it simply LOOKS like crime is reduced. During his last term in office prime minister Pierre Trudeau and his LIE-beral hug a thug friends CHANGED how crime statistics were compiled-at the time Conservatives complained that the change would make it harder to compare crime statistics from different decades-an obvious point now proven.

LIe-berals will deny this in every way. They will INSIST that “no fundamental changes have been made to the system” and of course we recognize the weasel words “:no fundamental changes”.....meaning THEY don’t think its important but anybody who has been robbed or victimized in some way and then watched as LIE-beral appointed `hug a thug` judges give out minor slaps on the criminal wrist DOES think it’s a BIG DEAL!

If you argue these points, LIE-berals will send you links to out of date and irrelevant Stats/Canada publications to `prove` their point using papers and publications that don’t address the issues. They will also try to distract by discussing the Young Offenders Act rather than looking at the issues involving adult career criminals which is what I am trying to illustrate here. LIE-berals have already made it virtually impossible to learn anything useful about Youth crime and now they are doing the same “hide it all for the good of the party” job with adult crime numbers. In short, they will prove once again why we call them LIE-berals!

Under the old system there was one crime if you `possessed` burglar tools and planned to break into a home while the family was away some place, A second crime if you actually broke into the house, A third crime (theft over $5000.00) occurred when you found the keys to a vehicle in the garage and decided to load it up with the stuff you stole from the house and use it as a getaway vehicle. A fourth crime occurred when you found a gun cabinet and broke it open and took possession of and loaded a shotgun for which you have no license. The family comes home unexpectedly and you take them hostage using your stolen shotgun and that’s the fifth and six crimes-kidnaping and misuse of a firearm. A neighbour sees you waving the gun and phones the cops who arrive on the scene and you fire the shotgun out a window a couple of times to keep them back while you consider your options and thus produce crime seven ( assault with a deadly weapon) and crime eight which is resisting arrest. Prior to Trudeau each of these crimes would be listed separately and would be relatively easy to track in appropriate categories-firearm offenses, burglary, theft etc. But now these eight crimes are lumped together as ONE CRIME SCENE and its now MUCH HARDER to track individual crimes since they are no longer listed in such an easy to access and read fashion.

Further, as of 20 years ago about 80% of criminals had their cases `plea bargained` and now we can only guess (since Lie-berals don’t like to talk about this stuff and hide the details where possible and they certainly don’t want to admit that they are practicing `catch and release` with dangerous criminals) that today virtually ALL criminals cut endless deals during which major crimes become minor crimes and minor crimes become small misdemeanors or are easily forgotten entirely....except by the victims. Why bother trying the guy for possession of stolen property when you already have him for stabbing somebody? Crimes are `lost`, forgotten, dismissed, not needed, just plain GONE so the statistics are now useless for getting a real view of crime in Canada.

Further, the evolution of technology is encouraging crime itself to evolve. Why bother getting a gun and a stolen getaway car and robbing a store when you can get a bunch of forged credit cards from your neighbours in organized crime and go on a spending spree with no consequences to speak of? Why bother getting out of your comfortable arm chair and going out into the dark and cold to vandalize the house of a neighbour you don’t like when its so much easier just to lounge in your pajamas in front of a computer screen and send the jerk a virus? And maybe hack his credit cards and online banking information as well? As we know, cops don’t even bother looking for those who spread viruses and hackers are mostly ignored as well....UNLESS there is a really HUGE internet disruption.

The computer is good for all sorts of things like selling stuff online that you have stolen or forged-no need to show yourself and your ID to a pawn shop owner or to a `fence` who may turn fink on you if the cops get to him. Much better to meet the suckers at a coffee shop or at a friends place and later (if there is any trouble) the friend covers for you and denies any involvement since the sucker never saw the friend when the purchase was made and the person who sold the fraud item doesn’t live at the address where it was sold-it’s a double blind cutout.

There is also the political action of thugs and gang members. Thugs have figured out that there is safety in numbers-each gang banger and his girlfriend and mother providing an alibi for the others which makes conviction much harder due to less evidence and the few potential witnesses available to speak having been intimidated by strangers-read other gang members.

Even worse- parents and elder care givers are often dependent on the “income” the gang kid supplies- either from criminal activities or from welfare payments. If one or two family members go to jail it may result in the elders getting evicted to smaller or cheaper quarters- MTHC frowns on one old person living in a 3 bedroom affordable apartment that they cannot pay for- even if the other gangsters will be coming home eventually! So elders are put in an awkward position of feeling compelled to LIE to authorities about criminal activities in exchange for fiscal support!

The thugs also are putting pressure on loonie leftist Lie-beral politicians to rein in `racist` cops and end their alleged brutality. A while back the Lie-beral loving Toronto (Red) Star did an article on how much crime has dropped in 2014 and how quiet it has become in Youth Court rooms across Toronto......the article being presented as if meant cops had somehow decided to stop picking on poor innocent kids.......buried in the article was an admission that in response to `public`(read Black Lives Matter) pressure, cops had drastically cut back on their use of `carding`....that is....stopping and questioning known gang members and their friends who were trespassing and such.....No Contact EQUALS No Problem! No more guns and knives being confiscated, no more stashes of drugs found, no more stolen property found in cars, no more ability to track gang members as they move about the city conducting their `business`! Get the cops to stop looking for crime and the crime `statistics` start to look pretty good!

If you start talking tough on crime then certain ethnic voters scream `white racist` at you....while ignoring the Russian mobster in King City with the fine mansion and the high end BMW with all the frills....and the stash of 800 forged credit cards and the computer with enough stolen personal information to make 4000 MORE cards....which he is selling to gang members and the dork is out on parole for PREVIOUS credit card fraud. And NOBODY is counting the bribery, intimidation and outright extortion needed to get such personal information!

Or the Portuguese guy who was late for his court date to deal with his TENTH arrest for causing an auto smash up while driving drunk-this count does NOT include the MANY other times he was arrested before he hit anything.

Or the guy who extorted 30 MILLION DOLLARS here in Ontari-owe a year back and the McWynnty government cut him a deal: he KEEPS ALL the money and promises to leave Ontari-owe forever and the charge will be dropped....Ontari-owe is so BROKE they don’t have the court and legal resources to deal with such a clever swindler within a sensible time frame!

Or perhaps we should speak of the SEVEN accused murderers recently released from jail this spring of 2017 WITHOUT the bother of a trial! Yes- LIE-berals do not even have the money available to properly prosecute FIRST DEGREE murderers here in Ontari-owe and must release them or see their “rights” violated by not getting a trial in a fair and reasonable time! But LIE-berals DO have LOTS of money ofr teachers- plenty of cash to pay for millions of dollars worth of beer and pizza and comfy hotel rooms for teacher union reps while LIE-berals PRETEND to bargain hard in contract “talks” with their teacher allies! And we all know that a LIE-beral could not get elected to pick up dog crap in the park without the PURCHASED support of civil service union Hogs!

Only a Lie-beral would consider any of this a victory!

I'm sorry, i lost track of the point you were trying to make. what was it again?
 
gerryh
#9177
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

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If you start talking tough on crime then certain ethnic voters scream `white racist` at you....while ignoring the Russian mobster in King City with the fine mansion and the high end BMW with all the frills....and the stash of 800 forged credit cards and the computer with enough stolen personal information to make 4000 MORE cards....which he is selling to gang members and the dork is out on parole for PREVIOUS credit card fraud. And NOBODY is counting the bribery, intimidation and outright extortion needed to get such personal information!

Or the Portuguese guy who was late for his court date to deal with his TENTH arrest for causing an auto smash up while driving drunk-this count does NOT include the MANY other times he was arrested before he hit anything.

Or the guy who extorted 30 MILLION DOLLARS here in Ontari-owe a year back and the McWynnty government cut him a deal: he KEEPS ALL the money and promises to leave Ontari-owe forever and the charge will be dropped....Ontari-owe is so BROKE they don’t have the court and legal resources to deal with such a clever swindler within a sensible time frame!

Or perhaps we should speak of the SEVEN accused murderers recently released from jail this spring of 2017 WITHOUT the bother of a trial! Yes- LIE-berals do not even have the money available to properly prosecute FIRST DEGREE murderers here in Ontari-owe and must release them or see their “rights” violated by not getting a trial in a fair and reasonable time! But LIE-berals DO have LOTS of money ofr teachers- plenty of cash to pay for millions of dollars worth of beer and pizza and comfy hotel rooms for teacher union reps while LIE-berals PRETEND to bargain hard in contract “talks” with their teacher allies! And we all know that a LIE-beral could not get elected to pick up dog crap in the park without the PURCHASED support of civil service union Hogs!

Only a Lie-beral would consider any of this a victory!



Links to prove your assertions.
 
spilledthebeer
#9178
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

Links to prove your assertions.




Here is more proof of the vile LIE-beral `hug a thug mindset`. Along with some comments of my own in brackets):

Self-defence is an ancient right

By Lorne Gunter , Edmonton Sun

First posted: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 06:28 PM EDT | Updated: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 06:41 PM EDT

A week ago last Sunday, Johnathan Tews had just arrived at his parents’ home in the working-class, west end Edmonton neighbourhood of Canora. He was talking to his father who was relaxing on a recliner in the living room when he heard a commotion on the street out front.

When Tews looked out, he saw his mother returning home from a grocery errand fighting off two men who were trying to force their way into her car.

Tews and his father rushed out to the curb where their mother and wife had managed to push one of her assailants out of the driver’s door while the other attacker was climbing out of the front passenger door.

Tews tackled the nearer thug while the one his mom had shoved out the driver’s side began to walk away. Tews’ dad took over holding the nearer attacker down while Tews went back to the house, grabbed a baseball bat and began pursuing the other attacker down the block.

After a foot chase, Tews caught the attempted carjacker and held him until police arrived.

The outrage is that in addition to charging the pair of perps, Edmonton police also charged Tews with aggravated assault because the attacker he subdued three blocks from his parents’ home had to be taken to hospital.

An Edmonton police source told me the assailant Tews apprehended three blocks away was beaten “pretty bad.” And that officers on the scene thought there were enough inconsistencies in the stories of Tews and his parents to cast doubt on “whether they were telling the whole story.”

I guess time will tell. But on the surface this seems to be yet another case of police and prosecutors reacting incorrectly to an incident of self-defense.

Tews’ mom’s attackers were dangerous criminals with long rap sheets. He didn’t know that at the time he forcefully subdued them. But he did see their face tattoos, hear one of them demand “give us the keys, bitch” and see them physically assault his mother.

He shouldn’t need any more justification than that for the action he took.

The Crown will argue that after the driver’s-side assailant left the immediate vicinity, the threat disappeared. So at that point Tews had no right to pursue and counterattack.

I say if you are committing a violent crime and you bite off more of a reaction than you can chew, too bad for you. If you’re jostling some guy’s mom and he thinks he has to give you a couple of pops, you should count yourself lucky he didn’t kill you.

(I have to agree with Gunter-and I ask: who will compensate the Tews family if thugs get the better of them and do THEM damage while they try to protect their mother and their property! Is there not a whole body of long standing law explaining that it is in the best interest of society that thugs are arrested and prevented from plying their violent, anti social trade! When did this change?)

This is like the case of David Chen, the Toronto green grocer who in 2009 pursued a shoplifter down the alley by his store, subdued the man by brandishing a box cutter, bound him and threw him in the back of a van until police arrived.

Police charged Chen with unlawful confinement and prosecutors cut a deal with the shoplifter in return for his testimony against Chen (who was eventually acquitted).

(There is some argument that Chen invited theft from his store as he had the usual Toronto China town style display of flowers and other merchandise outside the store on the sidewalk on racks. If all merchandise had been inside the store it would have made it much harder for the thief to steal-it`s the principle behind an insurance company refusing to pay your theft insurance after your car-left on the street with the keys carelessly forgotten in the ignition-gets stolen! Each of us MUST take responsibility for our foolishness-and that includes drug addicted assholes preying upon businessmen like Chen! Nobody knows what Chen MIGHT have done with the thief in the long run but its fact that the thief already had over 80 convictions for theft and we must ask why govt does not do more to restrict the activities of professional criminals instead of worrying so much about frustrated and over taxed shop owners?)

It’s also like the case of Brian Knight, a central Alberta farmer who one night in 2009 caught a man trying to steal an ATV from his farmyard. Knight pursued him in a vehicle and shot the perp in the back of the leg with birdshot.

Before his successful appeal in 2012, Knight was initially sentenced to 90 days in jail, versus his robber’s 30 days.

(Knight had been robbed several times previously and was sick of feeling like a victim so when he came home and caught the thieves red handed in his garage, the fight was on! One thief was quickly caught and subdued but the other led Knight on a high speed chase for many miles-eventually crashing the ATV he had stolen from Knight and then getting hit with the bird shot. Some may ask why Knight did not phone the cops and the answer is simple-he lives on a farm in a community with NO police service and it would have taken at least 30 minutes for a cop to appear. And there is the heart of the complaint-police CAN NOT AND WILL NOT offer total protection-yet prosecutors SCREAM at “do it yourself justice”!)

We all have an ancient right – a right much older than organized police forces and justice systems – to protect ourselves (and our moms) from criminals intent on doing us harm. We are not acting outside the law when we use force to defend ourselves, our loved ones or property.

(And how sad that LIE-beral hug a thug judges disagree!)
 
JamesBondo
#9179
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

Here is more proof of the vile LIE-beral `hug a thug mindset`. Along with some comments of my own in brackets):

Self-defence is an ancient right

By Lorne Gunter , Edmonton Sun

First posted: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 06:28 PM EDT | Updated: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 06:41 PM EDT

A week ago last Sunday, Johnathan Tews had just arrived at his parents’ home in the working-class, west end Edmonton neighbourhood of Canora. He was talking to his father who was relaxing on a recliner in the living room when he heard a commotion on the street out front.

When Tews looked out, he saw his mother returning home from a grocery errand fighting off two men who were trying to force their way into her car.

Tews and his father rushed out to the curb where their mother and wife had managed to push one of her assailants out of the driver’s door while the other attacker was climbing out of the front passenger door.

Tews tackled the nearer thug while the one his mom had shoved out the driver’s side began to walk away. Tews’ dad took over holding the nearer attacker down while Tews went back to the house, grabbed a baseball bat and began pursuing the other attacker down the block.

After a foot chase, Tews caught the attempted carjacker and held him until police arrived.

The outrage is that in addition to charging the pair of perps, Edmonton police also charged Tews with aggravated assault because the attacker he subdued three blocks from his parents’ home had to be taken to hospital.

An Edmonton police source told me the assailant Tews apprehended three blocks away was beaten “pretty bad.” And that officers on the scene thought there were enough inconsistencies in the stories of Tews and his parents to cast doubt on “whether they were telling the whole story.”

I guess time will tell. But on the surface this seems to be yet another case of police and prosecutors reacting incorrectly to an incident of self-defense.

Tews’ mom’s attackers were dangerous criminals with long rap sheets. He didn’t know that at the time he forcefully subdued them. But he did see their face tattoos, hear one of them demand “give us the keys, bitch” and see them physically assault his mother.

He shouldn’t need any more justification than that for the action he took.

The Crown will argue that after the driver’s-side assailant left the immediate vicinity, the threat disappeared. So at that point Tews had no right to pursue and counterattack.

I say if you are committing a violent crime and you bite off more of a reaction than you can chew, too bad for you. If you’re jostling some guy’s mom and he thinks he has to give you a couple of pops, you should count yourself lucky he didn’t kill you.

(I have to agree with Gunter-and I ask: who will compensate the Tews family if thugs get the better of them and do THEM damage while they try to protect their mother and their property! Is there not a whole body of long standing law explaining that it is in the best interest of society that thugs are arrested and prevented from plying their violent, anti social trade! When did this change?)

This is like the case of David Chen, the Toronto green grocer who in 2009 pursued a shoplifter down the alley by his store, subdued the man by brandishing a box cutter, bound him and threw him in the back of a van until police arrived.

Police charged Chen with unlawful confinement and prosecutors cut a deal with the shoplifter in return for his testimony against Chen (who was eventually acquitted).

(There is some argument that Chen invited theft from his store as he had the usual Toronto China town style display of flowers and other merchandise outside the store on the sidewalk on racks. If all merchandise had been inside the store it would have made it much harder for the thief to steal-it`s the principle behind an insurance company refusing to pay your theft insurance after your car-left on the street with the keys carelessly forgotten in the ignition-gets stolen! Each of us MUST take responsibility for our foolishness-and that includes drug addicted assholes preying upon businessmen like Chen! Nobody knows what Chen MIGHT have done with the thief in the long run but its fact that the thief already had over 80 convictions for theft and we must ask why govt does not do more to restrict the activities of professional criminals instead of worrying so much about frustrated and over taxed shop owners?)

It’s also like the case of Brian Knight, a central Alberta farmer who one night in 2009 caught a man trying to steal an ATV from his farmyard. Knight pursued him in a vehicle and shot the perp in the back of the leg with birdshot.

Before his successful appeal in 2012, Knight was initially sentenced to 90 days in jail, versus his robber’s 30 days.

(Knight had been robbed several times previously and was sick of feeling like a victim so when he came home and caught the thieves red handed in his garage, the fight was on! One thief was quickly caught and subdued but the other led Knight on a high speed chase for many miles-eventually crashing the ATV he had stolen from Knight and then getting hit with the bird shot. Some may ask why Knight did not phone the cops and the answer is simple-he lives on a farm in a community with NO police service and it would have taken at least 30 minutes for a cop to appear. And there is the heart of the complaint-police CAN NOT AND WILL NOT offer total protection-yet prosecutors SCREAM at “do it yourself justice”!)

We all have an ancient right – a right much older than organized police forces and justice systems – to protect ourselves (and our moms) from criminals intent on doing us harm. We are not acting outside the law when we use force to defend ourselves, our loved ones or property.

(And how sad that LIE-beral hug a thug judges disagree!)

Sorry, I'm still not understanding you. Can you rephrase your post?
 
Bar Sinister
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#9180
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

Sorry, I'm still not understanding you. Can you rephrase your post?


Come on, rambling incoherence is Spilled's strength.