US screwing around in Venezuela?


gftrcoach
#61
When other countries stop oppressing their people. Down here, Iraqi people I know are thrilled that the US stepped in. I have two Korean business partners who would love the US to eliminate Kim Jong Il.
Perspective is important, and if you believe that America is an evil empire, no words I write will make a difference. People I meet all over the world want peace and want freedom. Canada has that but selfishly does little to join Britain, OZ, the USA and many other allies to really make a difference.
Gleb
 
Reverend Blair
#62
Not sure what any of this has to do with Venezuela or even the sidetrack of al Jazeera/Fox News being broadcast in Canada, but here goes...

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When other countries stop oppressing their people. Down here, Iraqi people I know are thrilled that the US stepped in. I have two Korean business partners who would love the US to eliminate Kim Jong Il.

I've heard an awful lot of Iraqi people who are disgusted with the US for their actions in Iraq. Support for the US drops every day in Iraq.

Nobody cheers for Kim. He's a bastard. There is no oil in Korea though, so nobody will do anything. Bush's handling of North Korea has been a bad joke from the beginning.

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People I meet all over the world want peace and want freedom.

Peace and freedom are not achieved by dropping DU munitions on residential neighbourhoods. Peace and freedom are not achieved by taking away the basics of life, like drinkable water. Peace and freedom are ot achieved by overthrowing democratically elected leaders. Peace and freedom are not achieved by the imperialistic actions of a more powerful state.

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Canada has that but selfishly does little to join Britain, OZ, the USA and many other allies to really make a difference.

Not true at all. We are far ahead of the US in meeting the goal of 0.7% of GDP going to foreign aid. If Bono and Jack Layton keep kicking Martin in the ass we might even achieve that goal by 2015. The US is not moving towards that goal at all.
 
Jay
#63
"There is no oil in Korea though, so nobody will do anything."

Was there oil in Vietnam or South Korea....?
 
Reverend Blair
#64
Actually there was a lot of oil exploration going on off the coast of Vietnam during that war, Jay. Allowing such exploration helped to keep the corporations onside during the during the war.

Those were different wars fought before the US reached peak oil and the US government began considering access to oil to be a security concern though.
 
gftrcoach
#65
I answered the question, when will the US stop...etc.

You are one of those who probably won't hear anything I say. I got my American Citizenship recently and I am thrilled to be free of Canadian US bashing, the Canadian medical system and Canadian socialism.

I chuckle at the foreign aid statistic you quoted, I did an article recently on the ways these statistics are parsed. And actually I was proud of Canada's numbers, trouble is you are such a tiny country. Germany, France, heck most of Europe are an absolute embarassment, and when it comes done to it, that's all there is. The EU and the US who have sufficient money to make a difference.

Foreign aid numbers don't include billions of dollars the US spends in so many other ways in the world, it's ridiculous and I'm proud of what my new country has done and is doing. Like anything else, no country is perfect, and the Cuba thing still mesmerizes me, I am sad that Bush caved to pressure from BOTH sides of the aisle here. He wanted to normalize relations and a lot of wealthy Democrats just wouldn't hear it. He wants to create a structured plan for worker visas for Mexicans and Central Americans, but many people just won't back him up.

I am opposed to any communist/leftist system anywhere, all of them always oppresss people eventually. Why wait for people's minds to be poisoned? My people, Russians, will take generations to undo the brainwashing of just 75 years of insanity. Too bad we didn't let Patton turn right at Berlin, would have save millions of lives and the poisoning of entire cultures and 400 million people for what may turn out to be more than a century.

Too bad leftists don't learn from history. Too bad there are so many socialists in Canada, they ruined an awesome country.
Gleb



Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

Not sure what any of this has to do with Venezuela or even the sidetrack of al Jazeera/Fox News being broadcast in Canada, but here goes...

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When other countries stop oppressing their people. Down here, Iraqi people I know are thrilled that the US stepped in. I have two Korean business partners who would love the US to eliminate Kim Jong Il.

I've heard an awful lot of Iraqi people who are disgusted with the US for their actions in Iraq. Support for the US drops every day in Iraq.

Nobody cheers for Kim. He's a bastard. There is no oil in Korea though, so nobody will do anything. Bush's handling of North Korea has been a bad joke from the beginning.

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People I meet all over the world want peace and want freedom.

Peace and freedom are not achieved by dropping DU munitions on residential neighbourhoods. Peace and freedom are not achieved by taking away the basics of life, like drinkable water. Peace and freedom are ot achieved by overthrowing democratically elected leaders. Peace and freedom are not achieved by the imperialistic actions of a more powerful state.

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Canada has that but selfishly does little to join Britain, OZ, the USA and many other allies to really make a difference.

Not true at all. We are far ahead of the US in meeting the goal of 0.7% of GDP going to foreign aid. If Bono and Jack Layton keep kicking Martin in the ass we might even achieve that goal by 2015. The US is not moving towards that goal at all.

 
Reverend Blair
#66
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I got my American Citizenship recently and I am thrilled to be free of Canadian US bashing, the Canadian medical system and Canadian socialism.

I'm sorry to hear that you hate Canada so much.

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I chuckle at the foreign aid statistic you quoted, I did an article recently on the ways these statistics are parsed. And actually I was proud of Canada's numbers, trouble is you are such a tiny country. Germany, France, heck most of Europe are an absolute embarassment, and when it comes done to it, that's all there is. The EU and the US who have sufficient money to make a difference.

You should do another article then, because France has a solid plan in place to meet its goals now. The US is still moving the other way.

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Foreign aid numbers don't include billions of dollars the US spends in so many other ways in the world,

Supplying guns to dictators doesn't count. Neither does paying foreign workers slave wages.



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I am opposed to any communist/leftist system anywhere,

That's extremely narrow-minded. Most of Europe would fall into your definition of leftism. So would most of Canada.

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Too bad leftists don't learn from history. Too bad there are so many socialists in Canada, they ruined an awesome country.

Democratic socialism is a large part of what makes this country great. Blind allegiance to capitalism is the USA's biggest problem...at the base of everything that ails it.
 
mrmom2
#67
Just another brainwashed Bush supporter Rev Must think he's part of the elite ruling class down there
 
jimmoyer
#68
C'mon mrmom2, there are just some sincere points there.

If everyone knows how literally they live in a glass house, there'd be a lot less grandstanding.

Take it from an American: We're getting a lot of practice for all the right reasons on getting bashed.
 
gftrcoach
#69
Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

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I got my American Citizenship recently and I am thrilled to be free of Canadian US bashing, the Canadian medical system and Canadian socialism.

I'm sorry to hear that you hate Canada so much.

I don't hate Canada, I simply will not tolerate socialism. I took responsibility for changing what I could and moved.
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I chuckle at the foreign aid statistic you quoted, I did an article recently on the ways these statistics are parsed. And actually I was proud of Canada's numbers, trouble is you are such a tiny country. Germany, France, heck most of Europe are an absolute embarassment, and when it comes done to it, that's all there is. The EU and the US who have sufficient money to make a difference.

You should do another article then, because France has a solid plan in place to meet its goals now. The US is still moving the other way.

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Foreign aid numbers don't include billions of dollars the US spends in so many other ways in the world,

Supplying guns to dictators doesn't count. Neither does paying foreign workers slave wages.

France has so much invested into dictatorships, it is embarrassing, Germans too. I don't care about plans, we'll see if the French don't surrender again. And I love Paris and have two projects going there, but the government has their finger in everything, it's terrible and I love Paris so much I'm taking a chance there anyway. Again, despite what you read, there are thousands of American businessman doing things there all the time. I bump into then every trip, and rarely do I meet Canadian businessmen there.
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I am opposed to any communist/leftist system anywhere,

That's extremely narrow-minded. Most of Europe would fall into your definition of leftism. So would most of Canada.

It's not narrow minded when you learned through loosing all your family to socialism and communism. And the restrictions on Canadian investing or Canadians living in the States are just small examples of the evil thumb of control exercized by governments with you having no choice whatsoever (within Canada). Very distant relatives left on the English side of my family are thrilled with post Thatcher Britain, I love visiting there now. Russia on the other hand is bizarre, scary and filthy. I tried to find graves of my relatives there, apparently Stalin wasn't big on gravestones.

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Too bad leftists don't learn from history. Too bad there are so many socialists in Canada, they ruined an awesome country.

Democratic socialism is a large part of what makes this country great. Blind allegiance to capitalism is the USA's biggest problem...at the base of everything that ails it.

I pray the whole world someday is so "ailed"
Gleb
 
jimmoyer
#70
One point about foreign aid is hugely salient.

Other countries stroke their own ego by mentioning percentages that their taxes go to foreign aid. This stat of course is so woefully incomplete.

It assumes that the only moral funding comes from taxes.

It assumes that the percentage however miniscule in absolute euros and dollars is on a same par as the gargantuan total dollars outlayed by a bigger country.

It never tallies the private contributions made by American private citizens that dwarf the entire expenditures of some of these other countries.

In fact the private contributions of private Americans literally dwarf the entire aggregate of the world's much vaunted moral charity operations.

It just looks alot better for other countries when they just compare govt expenditures.

One final and last thought that never rounds out the picture, is the enlargement of the pie brought on by free trade agreements.

All the governmental foreign aid or even all the private charity in the world would have never created the giant of China if it had not been for the capitalism of free trade.
 
Reverend Blair
#71
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I don't hate Canada, I simply will not tolerate socialism. I took responsibility for changing what I could and moved.

Good.

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France has so much invested into dictatorships, it is embarrassing, Germans too.

Yup...second only to the US. They have started investigating some of it though. Cheney could end up facing charges because of that.

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I don't care about plans, we'll see if the French don't surrender again.

Typical neo-con blather.

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It's not narrow minded when you learned through loosing all your family to socialism and communism.

Don't even try to make that comparison, gftr. No person with a working brain actually believes that line.

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And the restrictions on Canadian investing or Canadians living in the States are just small examples of the evil thumb of control exercized by governments with you having no choice whatsoever (within Canada).

What restrictions are there on you? You were allowed to move there. You can even give up your citizenship and become an American. No restrictions.

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Other countries stroke their own ego by mentioning percentages that their taxes go to foreign aid. This stat of course is so woefully incomplete.

GDP (GNI) is the measure that's used. It is the only realistic way of measuring against differences in economic systems, size, wealth, and ever-changing economies.

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It never tallies the private contributions made by American private citizens that dwarf the entire expenditures of some of these other countries.

Nor should it. Every country has citizens who make private donations. The problem with many of the private donations coming from the US is that they are very much tied up in religious organizations, who tend to attach a lot of faith-based strings to everything they do, and NGOs that spend most of the money before it ever leaves this continent.

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It just looks alot better for other countries when they just compare govt expenditures.

So meet your responsibilities and make yourselves look good instead issuing excuses.

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One final and last thought that never rounds out the picture, is the enlargement of the pie brought on by free trade agreements.

Trade agreements with the US tend to be one-sided and predatory. To make things worse, the US often breaks trade agreements then refuses to abide by the rulings of the governing trade bodies.
 
gftrcoach
#72
Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

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France has so much invested into dictatorships, it is embarrassing, Germans too.

Yup...second only to the US. They have started investigating some of it though. Cheney could end up facing charges because of that.

Typical liberal blather

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It's not narrow minded when you learned through loosing all your family to socialism and communism.

Don't even try to make that comparison, gftr. No person with a working brain actually believes that line.

Fair enough, you don't know. All 80 members of my Russian heritage, many of the adults were teachers and bankers, were murdered by Stalin, I have never found a single grave. Totally wiped out every member, children, parents, grandparents.

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And the restrictions on Canadian investing or Canadians living in the States are just small examples of the evil thumb of control exercized by governments with you having no choice whatsoever (within Canada).

What restrictions are there on you? You were allowed to move there. You can even give up your citizenship and become an American. No restrictions.

You as a Canadian are restricted regarding your RRSP account as to what investments you are allowed to buy, and the tax system incentivizes buying Canadian Stock. When you get older and should you want to spend winters in Florida or Arizona you can only leave for a certain amount of time in order to be elegible for health care and social security. Even Euro socialist trash aren't that restrictive.

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Other countries stroke their own ego by mentioning percentages that their taxes go to foreign aid. This stat of course is so woefully incomplete.

GDP (GNI) is the measure that's used. It is the only realistic way of measuring against differences in economic systems, size, wealth, and ever-changing economies.

It's the only realistic way to continue the myths you are blathering and guaranteeing that you can continue to bash Americans.

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It never tallies the private contributions made by American private citizens that dwarf the entire expenditures of some of these other countries.

Nor should it. Every country has citizens who make private donations. The problem with many of the private donations coming from the US is that they are very much tied up in religious organizations, who tend to attach a lot of faith-based strings to everything they do, and NGOs that spend most of the money before it ever leaves this continent.

We should rename you the cynic. You are so blinded by anger you can't see the light. Thousands of American Doctors give time, lots of it, something that Canadian Docs have trouble doing because they are slaves to the public system. You rationalize everything. Everywhere I go in the world I see evidence of American Aid, not French, not German, not even Canadian aid. American Aid. That's what everyone measures, that's what makes the difference. It's american food in trucks, American water treatment plants, american generators. American engineers, equipment, drugs, specialists, they are all American.
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It just looks alot better for other countries when they just compare govt expenditures.

So meet your responsibilities and make yourselves look good instead issuing excuses.

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One final and last thought that never rounds out the picture, is the enlargement of the pie brought on by free trade agreements.

Trade agreements with the US tend to be one-sided and predatory. To make things worse, the US often breaks trade agreements then refuses to abide by the rulings of the governing trade bodies.

You haven't got a clue and based on your talking points, you're getting your info off fanatical American socialist websites. Chapter and verse. You're busted Rev!
Gleb
 
zenfisher
#73
Gft...
Hmmm ...my relatives have no problem wintering in Arizona.( some in Texas too.) For that matter when he had an attack ( diabetic) he was stabilized in the US through his insurance, then helicoptered to Canada for treatment. He was treated through medicare in canada He spends six months in Arizona a year.

I know another former Canadian living (77 years young)down here who collects a Canadian pension and he has gone back into Canada ( he was required to live in Canada 3 months) to have a medical condition taken are of.

While I know there are a lot of American docs who give willingly of their time....the funny thing is...before I could get on to medical plan through work ...the only Healthcare available was through medicare and medicaid. My doctor at the free clinic was Canadian.
 
LadyC
#74
You missed the point regarding wintering in Arizona, Zen. You can only stay so long before you lose benefits... or are asked to leave. I live in a town right on the border, and several people I know have cottages across the line. They're only allowed a certain number of days at a time down there, and they have to prove residency in Canada before they're allowed to cross the line. Keep in mind... this is a small crossing and all the guards know these people by sight, yet they're still hassled.
 
zenfisher
#75
My relatives stay a day under six months. That is true you would lose your "free" health benefits.They have no problems, other than the normal post 911 security. The difference might be that they own property. I don't know six months covers most winters.

I don't think that is unfair, especially seeing as they are reinstated after three months if you decide to stay longer. "Free" is conditional of course on your contribution to the system (taxes).

As far as being asked to leave...that wouldn't be the Canadian government doing that...that would be Uncle Sam.
 
no1important
#76
It is 6 months isn't it? I know when we had a place years ago in Point Roberts that was the rule back then.
 
zenfisher
#77
Less a day.. I don't know why, but I suspect it has something to do with medicare. Possibly that you are living the majority of the Year in one country...but I have never asked them.
 
LadyC
#78
Quote: Originally Posted by zenfisher

As far as being asked to leave...that wouldn't be the Canadian government doing that...that would be Uncle Sam.

Yes, it is Uncle Sam. I imagine we do the same for US citizens who "overstay their welcome".

It's still 6 months, so far as I know, no1, but one family I know has always spent 3 days on the Point and 4 days at home here in Tsawwassen. They've never had any difficulties, but the last little while the mom has been detained for 2-3 hours without being allowed a phone call for the first 2 hours. She was even separated from her young children during that time. All this after going through the same thing with the same border guard the week before.... and the one before that.
 
Reverend Blair
#79
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Typical liberal blather

Not blather at all...he's under investigation for graft and kickbacks while he was CEO of Halliburton.

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Fair enough, you don't know. All 80 members of my Russian heritage, many of the adults were teachers and bankers, were murdered by Stalin, I have never found a single grave. Totally wiped out every member, children, parents, grandparents.

It's you who don't know. It takes some brutally purposeful ignorance to even consider comparing Canada to Stalinist Russia. What you are doing is lying.

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You as a Canadian are restricted regarding your RRSP account as to what investments you are allowed to buy, and the tax system incentivizes buying Canadian Stock.

You bet. Why should we get tax breaks for investing somebody else's economy? There is nothing stopping us from making such investments though, we just don't get tax breaks on them.

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When you get older and should you want to spend winters in Florida or Arizona

Why would I want to do that?

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you can only leave for a certain amount of time in order to be elegible for health care and social security.

Six months is pretty reasonable. If you are spending more than half of your time in a foreign country, then your aren't living here, you are just visiting.

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It's the only realistic way to continue the myths you are blathering and guaranteeing that you can continue to bash Americans.

You don't like it because it shows you to be wrong.

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We should rename you the cynic. You are so blinded by anger you can't see the light. Thousands of American Doctors give time, lots of it, something that Canadian Docs have trouble doing because they are slaves to the public system.

Canadian doctors give very generously of their time. Don't try to denigrate what they do because you want to tell lies about a country that you hate.

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Everywhere I go in the world I see evidence of American Aid, not French, not German, not even Canadian aid. American Aid.

That's because the US stamps "US AID" on everything they send. Normal countries tend to work quietly behind the scenes. Here's a test for you though...ask people in the aid community what they think of Canadians. You will get a glowing report.

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You haven't got a clue and based on your talking points, you're getting your info off fanatical American socialist websites. Chapter and verse. You're busted Rev!

I don't spend any time at "fanatical American socialist websites." You've just shown yourself to be yet another anti-Canadian greed hog with no sould or compassion for anybody. Yet another twisted anti-human who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
 
jimmoyer
#80
When you first hear that phrase, "You know the price of everything and the value of nothing," it has impact.

My Pennsylvania Deutsch grandparents would have entire conversations about what they paid for something, and mostly regarding very small items.

As a kid I was less than inspired by it, but yet fascinated by the tone of their tough personalities, their drive, the unspoken connection they had to this world.

Did they really know the "value of nothing." ?
 
gftrcoach
#81
Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

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Typical liberal blather

Not blather at all...he's under investigation for graft and kickbacks while he was CEO of Halliburton.

More Yawn. That won't go anywhere. Liberal nonsense
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Fair enough, you don't know. All 80 members of my Russian heritage, many of the adults were teachers and bankers, were murdered by Stalin, I have never found a single grave. Totally wiped out every member, children, parents, grandparents.

It's you who don't know. It takes some brutally purposeful ignorance to even consider comparing Canada to Stalinist Russia. What you are doing is lying.

The nature of modern socialism is simply a kinder gentler killing, the killing of personal responsibility, of inspiration, dragging people down to the lowest common denominator, it's sneaky and manipulative. Thankfully the Brits didn't fully allow their spirit to be completely crushed by socialism and recovered with real leadership from Thatcher. Quebec raped the value of businesses and property in the 70's and 80's, nobody cared and the constitution doesn't allow for any other redress. That was a kinder gentler genocide. Canadians said almost nothing.

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You as a Canadian are restricted regarding your RRSP account as to what investments you are allowed to buy, and the tax system incentivizes buying Canadian Stock.

You bet. Why should we get tax breaks for investing somebody else's economy? There is nothing stopping us from making such investments though, we just don't get tax breaks on them.

Again, you see the world differently. Ultimately you don't see the individual investor, you ask the socialist question, what can they do for me? You also effectively deny the real life real market experience to your corporations. I know personally that they "bank" on the fact that dollars will come in just because of the xenophobic law.

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When you get older and should you want to spend winters in Florida or Arizona

Why would I want to do that?
Again, all about yourself. Well, many older Canadians want to live in warmer climes in the winter, many need to for their health.
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you can only leave for a certain amount of time in order to be elegible for health care and social security.

Six months is pretty reasonable. If you are spending more than half of your time in a foreign country, then your aren't living here, you are just visiting.

Even the eurotrash socialists don't require this of their citizens. So you are fine with telling people how long they can live away from Canada and you are OK with the nanny state extorting their residency by holding their health and welfare at risk. This is the kinder gentler Stalinism I spoke of. Most modernized countries, many even who are socialist, do not presume to tell their citizens where they can live and threaten their access to health care and their social security.

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It's the only realistic way to continue the myths you are blathering and guaranteeing that you can continue to bash Americans.

You don't like it because it shows you to be wrong.
Yawn, more childish responses

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We should rename you the cynic. You are so blinded by anger you can't see the light. Thousands of American Doctors give time, lots of it, something that Canadian Docs have trouble doing because they are slaves to the public system.

Canadian doctors give very generously of their time. Don't try to denigrate what they do because you want to tell lies about a country that you hate.

Gotchya on this one. Not even close. Unless a Canadian Doctor is retired, he is nothing more than employee and because so many Doctors leave Canada, you have a shortage, hence, the employers can't let them go as long or as often as American Docs. This again is not an indictment of Canadian Docs, they are awesome men and women who are oppressed by the system. many would LOVE to go and help and they are denied the opportunity by the hospital group. Again, you favor the system over the individual.

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Everywhere I go in the world I see evidence of American Aid, not French, not German, not even Canadian aid. American Aid.

That's because the US stamps "US AID" on everything they send. Normal countries tend to work quietly behind the scenes. Here's a test for you though...ask people in the aid community what they think of Canadians. You will get a glowing report.

You know, I used to think that was true and as a youth doing the backpacking thing through Europe, Africa and the Middle and South East it was somewhat true. Canadians are now virtually unkown or irrelevant now. And how stupid to suggest that Canada doesn't stamp the maple leaf on whatever they send out. All the major ports and airports that recieve aid REQUIRE that the stuff be labelled AID and a flag or country code identifying it. It's a UN treaty thing to try to reduce theft.

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You haven't got a clue and based on your talking points, you're getting your info off fanatical American socialist websites. Chapter and verse. You're busted Rev!

I don't spend any time at "fanatical American socialist websites." You've just shown yourself to be yet another anti-Canadian greed hog with no sould or compassion for anybody. Yet another twisted anti-human who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.

You're totally busted Rev, try as you might, your information of things American on posts all over this forum are cut and paste from the move-on.org's of the world. And the Internet's openness (something socialists would love to control) spreads these viral lies. Busted, dude!

Gleb
 
jimmoyer
#82
gftrcoach !!!

You have far more endurance than I have to go through the tedium of correcting every Reverend Blair bias posed as fact.

I think he's salvageable though.

He really should believe the same of us.

This isn't just useless moral equivalency, but rather everyone of us is more than the sum of our words here.
 
Reverend Blair
#83
I'm not busted at all gftr. You know nothing about me and, by your statements, know little or nothing about the world in general.
 
mrmom2
#84
Heres some facts boys with links Yuor goverment needs to mind its own business and leave Chavez alone
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/pu...le_17546.shtml
 

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