Trudeau government avoids defeat on key pot bill vote


Murphy
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Oops! Trudeau's team almost dropped the ball! The recreational marijuana bill will be examined by five separate committees.
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Trudeau government avoids defeat on key pot bill vote
Senators voted 44 to 29, largely along partisan lines, to send bill to 5 committees for further study
By John Paul Tasker, CBC News

The Liberal government avoided a disastrous result for its marquee marijuana bill Thursday, as the legislation to legalize recreational cannabis passed a key stage in the Senate. It's now headed to five separate committees for further study.

Senators voted 44 to 29 to pass the bill, largely along partisan lines, at second reading. A defeat would have killed the bill, forcing the government to start over again in the House of Commons with new legislation, all the while jeopardizing plans for full legalization by summer.

All 28 Conservative senators present in the chamber voted against the bill. Virtually all Independent senators — most of them appointed by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau — sided with the government.

Independent P.E.I. Sen. Mike Duffy was the lone hold-out and voted with the Conservatives. And, in a rare move, Speaker George Furey, who usually refrains from voting, voted to move the bill to committee.

"I think it's an important statement by the majority that this bill must advance," Peter Harder, the government's representative in the Senate, told reporters after the vote.

"This is a bill that is of high interest to the Senate. There are many issues to be dealt with, and it's important that second reading passed tonight so the Senate could get on with its study, meeting with experts, and deciding if the bill can be improved in any fashion."

Trudeau government avoids defeat on key pot bill vote | CBC News

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It's traveling a rocky road. The Conservatives are making sure that all the facts are checked before it becomes law.

Liberal plan to legalize pot survives Senate vote
By Amanda Connolly, Global News

The government’s plan to legalize marijuana by this summer remains on track.

After a tense day of uncertainty over whether the Liberals could garner enough support from independent senators to defeat a Conservative effort to kill the bill, Bill C-45 passed second reading on Thursday night.
 
pgs
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Legalizing marijuana is fine if that was the intention . However I think we are trying hard to criminalize it at the same time as legalizing it . We are proposing draconian penalties with no idea of the impact . Any person convicted of any marijuana offence will be unable to travel out of country for life
 
Murphy
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We'll have to see what changes are made in these five committees.

Of course, these studies will save the taxpayer a pile of money.
 
Mowich
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Quote: Originally Posted by Murphy View Post

Of course, these studies will save the taxpayer a pile of money.

/s
 
Murphy
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Trudeau is getting antsy for this legislation to happen. It is one of his campaign promises that isn't going as smoothly as he expected. But he's new to government. You'd think his handlers would have warned him. Maybe they did.

Tensions flare in Senate over marijuana-legalization bill

The senator who is shepherding the federal bill to legalize cannabis through the Senate is growing impatient with the slow pace of debate, alleging the Conservative are holding up the process for partisan purposes.

"There is a sensible way [to proceed] which is that we all sit down and talk about the time frame for the debate and we bring our adult selves to the table," said Independent Senator Tony Dean, who is sponsoring the legislation in the Senate. "That is what I have been arguing for two or three months. Obviously, people prefer the traditional way that will unfold more slowly."

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ticle37895740/

Given how important is is to the Liberals, I'm surprised that they didn't enact closure.
 
pgs
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Quote: Originally Posted by Murphy View Post

Trudeau is getting antsy for this legislation to happen. It is one of his campaign promises that isn't going as smoothly as he expected. But he's new to government. You'd think his handlers would have warned him. Maybe they did.

Tensions flare in Senate over marijuana-legalization bill

The senator who is shepherding the federal bill to legalize cannabis through the Senate is growing impatient with the slow pace of debate, alleging the Conservative are holding up the process for partisan purposes.

"There is a sensible way [to proceed] which is that we all sit down and talk about the time frame for the debate and we bring our adult selves to the table," said Independent Senator Tony Dean, who is sponsoring the legislation in the Senate. "That is what I have been arguing for two or three months. Obviously, people prefer the traditional way that will unfold more slowly."

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ticle37895740/

Given how important is is to the Liberals, I'm surprised that they didn't enact closure.

Is there such a thing in our senate ?
 
Murphy
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Closure? Yes.

The Curtailment of Debate - Closure
 
pgs
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Quote: Originally Posted by Murphy View Post

Closure? Yes.

The Curtailment of Debate - Closure

Thank you .
 
White_Unifier
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If you want to grow marijuana at home for personal consumption, by all means. Just hide it from public sight and I don't care. That should be legal. The moment you show it in public, off with your head.
 
Murphy
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That will be allowed under the new legislation

https://www.theleafnews.com/featured...458860053.html
 
Murphy
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Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Thank you .

No problem.
 
Danbones
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Yawn...when is the next federal election again...?

...
 
Murphy
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October, 2019.
 
Murphy
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It's getting a rough ride through the Senate. The Liberals are ticked that it is taking so long.
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Sask. senator opposed to pot legalization says proposed bill has too many holes

The current proposed legislation to legalize marijuana in Canada, Bill C-45, is inadequate because it does not offer enough protections for youth, according to Conservative senator Denise Batters.

Batters said on Thursday that she has fielded calls and has spoken to Saskatchewan residents who have expressed concerns about the possibility of the drug's legalization.

Proposed legislation for marijuana passed second reading on Thursday

Sask. senator opposed to pot legalization says proposed bill has too many holes - Saskatchewan - CBC News
 
captain morgan
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JT's deadline is fast approaching.

... Now is when the real politics begins
 
Murphy
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Yeah. Ottawa is still unsure when everything is going to come together. Of course, Wynne is salivating at the thought of the extra tax money, but she won't be premier when that happens.
 
Walter
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Only gubmint can lose money selling pot.
 
Murphy
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And you can bet that there will be several layers of government - provincial and federal - that will lose money selling pot. In the meantime, the street sellers will adjust their prices accordingly. Their version of native cigarette sales.
 
Murphy
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With the new regulations in force, it will be impossible for the government to compete with street dealers and the present grow ops. The cost of employees, the facilities, regulations, licensing, taxes, and overhead will cut into the legal sales outlets more than small dealers. With government being involved, they will make things complicated.

The illegal growers must be happier than a pig in sh!t.

This is from last November, but nothing has changed.

Cannabis producers skeptical of whether Ontario’s plan can compete with black market
By Jessica Vomiero and Patrick Cain

Without private cannabis companies and proper branding, the Ontario government’s plan to roll out the sale of marijuana won’t be able to compete with the current black market, advocates say.

The current plan includes plain packaging, which wouldn’t allow for a new user to get relevant information, along with LCBO-run stores, which could be few and far between.

Dispensaries and cannabis market experts shot back over the past month, saying that turning away from a privatized retail model represents a “missed opportunity” for Ontario.

Rosalie Wyonch, an analyst with the C.D. Howe Institute echoes these claims.

“I see the choice to go with only Crown corporation retail as a missed opportunity because, in Ontario, there are a significant number of dispensaries already running,” said Wyonch.




https://globalnews.ca/news/3850463/c...-black-market/
 
pgs
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Quote: Originally Posted by Murphy View Post

With the new regulations in force, it will be impossible for the government to compete with street dealers and the present grow ops. The cost of employees, the facilities, regulations, licensing, taxes, and overhead will cut into the legal sales outlets more than small dealers. With government being involved, they will make things complicated.

The illegal growers must be happier than a pig in sh!t.

This is from last November, but nothing has changed.

Cannabis producers skeptical of whether Ontario’s plan can compete with black market
By Jessica Vomiero and Patrick Cain

Without private cannabis companies and proper branding, the Ontario government’s plan to roll out the sale of marijuana won’t be able to compete with the current black market, advocates say.

The current plan includes plain packaging, which wouldn’t allow for a new user to get relevant information, along with LCBO-run stores, which could be few and far between.

Dispensaries and cannabis market experts shot back over the past month, saying that turning away from a privatized retail model represents a “missed opportunity” for Ontario.

Rosalie Wyonch, an analyst with the C.D. Howe Institute echoes these claims.

“I see the choice to go with only Crown corporation retail as a missed opportunity because, in Ontario, there are a significant number of dispensaries already running,” said Wyonch.




https://globalnews.ca/news/3850463/c...-black-market/

Plain packaging isn’t that a baggie ?
 
White_Unifier
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If the government gets into the business, just like the lottery, its marketing will be plastered everywhere and legally too.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Legalizing marijuana is fine if that was the intention . However I think we are trying hard to criminalize it at the same time as legalizing it . We are proposing draconian penalties with no idea of the impact . Any person convicted of any marijuana offence will be unable to travel out of country for life

What they appear too be attempting is to make it legal for Big Pharma to sell pot but no one else including growing your own.

Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

If the government gets into the business, just like the lottery, its marketing will be plastered everywhere and legally too.

That would be funny in a perverted way. The government will be advertising pot but has banned tobacco advertizing.
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

What they appear too be attempting is to make it legal for Big Pharma to sell pot but no one else including growing your own.



That would be funny in a perverted way. The government will be advertising pot but has banned tobacco advertizing.

Of course: the government's not into the tobacco industry. Haven't you noticed that LCBO's, Lotto ticket counters, etc. enjoy far more advertising that tobacco? And what's the pattern? The government has an interest in the former industries but not in the tobacco industry. It's obvious. That's why it's best for it to stay out of the hands of government like tobacco.

As for not allowing people to grow their own, that would be foolish. I'll put myself in a pot addict's shoes for a moment. If we all must buy our pot from a shop, then that increases demand for those shops, so more shops will be present around town, and so more store front windows to tempt me.

Now, if I'm legally allowed to grow my own, then I can choose to not do so. But if everyone else is doing the same, then there will be few pot shops in town to tempt me.

Now what happens if I can't restrain myself from growing my own? Well, maybe some kind of self-exclusion list whereby I could voluntarily add my name to such a list that would then make it a criminal offence for anyone to sell or give pot or a pot plant to me. Only problem with that though is that then we need an ID scheme. Either finger-print or passport-scanning I suppose. If the Feds can work with the provinces, maybe drivers' licences too. All that would mean is that the shop would need to ID each potential buyer to ensure he's not on the self-exclusion list.
 
Murphy
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This is what Cliffy is missing. The board would be better off if he hung out with these people and did some Lean.

Old People Try Lean for the First Time

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This is Lean - https://drugabuse.com/library/lean-purple-drank/

Cliffy, it's Lean!
 
gopher
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With all the cannabis fans we have on this forum, Trudeau should embrace the legalization of that good stuff so that we can have at least one thread that praises him.
 
Murphy
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Not too many people like Trudeau here. He's not worth the bother.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

What they appear too be attempting is to make it legal for Big Pharma to sell pot but no one else including growing your own.

Nope, not big Pharma at all and you can grow 4 plants per household.

It's easy to get 18-20 Oz from 4 indoor plants.
 
Murphy
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Big pharma wanted to get in on medical cannabis. Not sure how those businesses fared.
 
gopher
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Medical cannabis has gained much acceptance here in Gopherland. In fact, I just may look into it in order to solve my health hassles.
 
Murphy
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Check with your doctor.