8 white cops, 1 black homeless man, 46 bullets


B00Mer
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8 white cops, 1 black homeless man, 46 bullets



A video has surfaced showing a homeless man being shot dead by eight police officers as he held a small penknife. 46 bullets were fired.

Milton Hall, 49, has been described as “a community worker, and he was always there speaking out for those whom he considered the weak, for those who did not have the strength to speak for themselves,” according to the American Civil Liberties Union, which released the disturbing video.

Given such seemingly clean credentials, it’s unfathomable to imagine such a person being shot over a dozen times for merely holding a pen knife at a safe distance from police officers. But that’s exactly what happened in July 2012 in Saginaw, Michigan, after Hall got into an argument with police following an alleged fight with a store clerk.

The graphic video, taken by a bystander, shows Hall in a parking lot surrounded by eight police officers, all of whom have their weapons drawn and aimed at him. One of the officer’s orders Hall to drop his weapon. He refuses. After a period of about 10 seconds the officers open fire, with Hall appearing to be dead before he hit the ground.

Of the 46 shots fired, Hall had been hit 14 times.

As if that were not enough, the officers are seen in the video attempting to handcuff the mortally wounded man.

One onlooker can be heard asking, “Why did they have to shoot him so many times?”

Nevertheless, the US Department of Justice said it failed to find“sufficient evidence of willful misconduct” to press charges against the policemen, saying that Milton Hall and his pen knife presented a threat to eight armed police officers.

His mother, Jewel Hall, who believes that her son was “assassinated,” has been searching for justice for the past two years to no avail.

A Mother's Mission: The Shooting of Milton Hall (NSFW) - YouTube

“His blood running down the street like water. And he wasn't a threat, I mean, he had a little pen knife. He had no idea that those policemen would do that to him...As long as he was on his medication and all, he did fine. It was when he wasn't on his medication that he was impatient,” she said in an interview conducted by the ACLU.

“To have eight people stand in front of one human being and shoot at him 46 times and hit him 14 times – it's been devastating to our family. It was devastating to the community, to everybody. And justice still has not been served.”

Today the ACLU is presenting this video at a conference about racial disparities in the US criminal justice system before the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights, which is part of the Organization of American States. The surfacing of the graphic video comes at a particularly sensitive time in the US, where the nation is still grappling with the killing of 18 year-old African-American Michael Brown, who was shot by a white police officer in August in Ferguson, Missouri, sparking days of protests and violence that continues to simmer.

Meanwhile, Milton Hall's mother says she has dedicated her life to working “with parents whose kids have been similarly killed.”

“What needs to change is how police deal with situations like the one that ended in my son's death,” she said in her ACLU interview. “The elected leaders and community leaders must address conditions that allow police to use excessive and deadly force with impunity.”

source: http://rt.com/usa/200855-police-whit...ampaign=chrome

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OK generally I will stand with law enforcement.. but if 8 officers can't take a pen knife away from a homeless guy.. come on..

Everyone of those officers need to be charged with manslaughter and fired.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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He had it coming. He was a clear threat to the officers.
 
Twila
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

He had it coming. He was a clear threat to the officers.

Good thing it was a pen knife and not a pen, eh? Who knows what havoc he'd have (w)reaked...


Are officers taught to use ONLY lethal force? Is there no time or training for non lethal force?

Hunters will shoot over the head of a bear in charge, can't officers? scare the individual maybe?
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Twila View Post

Good thing it was a pen knife and not a pen, eh? Who knows what havoc he'd have (w)reaked...

Well, the pen is mightier than the sword, so the penknife must be a greater danger than a swordknife, so clearly deadly force was justified.

Good thing the cops fired more rounds than the entire German police force fired in all of 2013. Can't be too careful.
 
taxslave
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14/46? I see much range time in the future.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

14/46? I see much range time in the future.

Shouldn'ta set their phasers to "Miss."
 
B00Mer
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

14/46? I see much range time in the future.

Twice a week for myself.. love the range.. dam good shot. always for the chest or heart. Biggest target.

 
Tecumsehsbones
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Well, Officer Fatass McLard there in the middle sure wasn't gonna take him on hand-to-hand.
 
DaSleeper
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Quote: Originally Posted by Twila View Post

Good thing it was a pen knife and not a pen, eh? Who knows what havoc he'd have (w)reaked...


Are officers taught to use ONLY lethal force? Is there no time or training for non lethal force?

Hunters will shoot over the head of a bear in charge
, can't officers? scare the individual maybe?

Huh?
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by Twila View Post

Good thing it was a pen knife and not a pen, eh? Who knows what havoc he'd have (w)reaked...


Are officers taught to use ONLY lethal force? Is there no time or training for non lethal force?

Hunters will shoot over the head of a bear in charge, can't officers? scare the individual maybe?

Only a bad shot would shoot OVER the head of a charging bear.
 
#juan
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Well, Officer Fatass McLard there in the middle sure wasn't gonna take him on hand-to-hand.

Is it just my impression or are most policemen overweight? Too many doughnuts and not enough exercise? Whenever I see police in action on the news, they all seem to be fat asses.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by #juan View Post

Is it just my impression or are most policemen overweight? Too many doughnuts and not enough exercise? Whenever I see police in action on the news, they all seem to be fat asses.

Part of that may be the body armour, but if Officer McLard is body armoured, it must be nine-inch battleship plates.
 
Locutus
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this video has been around for a couple of years but re-released by the ACLU for perhaps some maximum trolling.


annnyway

After the shooting, all of the SPD officers at the scene wrote reports. In these reports, the officers who discharged their weapons explained that they did so because they believed Hall posed an imminent threat to the officers’ safety.

A fter a careful review of all of the evidence, experienced prosecutors from the Criminal Section of the Civil Rights Division and the United States Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of Michigan have determined that t he evidence in this case is insufficient to prove , beyond a reasonable doubt, that the SPD officers willfully shot Hall for an unlawful purpose, rather than for their stated purpose of preventing Hall from harming SPD staff. Even if the officers were mistaken in their assessment of the threat posed by Hall, this would not establish that the officers acted willfully, or with an unlawful intent, when using deadly force against Hall. Accordingly , this tragic event does not present sufficient evidence of willful misconduct to give rise to a federal criminal prosecution of the police officers involved.



Justice Department Announces Results of Investigation into the Death of Milton Hall | OPA | Department of Justice
 
Twila
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Only a bad shot would shoot OVER the head of a charging bear.


Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Huh?

I've seen a few videos of hunters out..hunting who have been charged by grizzly bears. Momma grizzlies (should have added that to my original post) and they've shot over the head of the bear. I was wondering if it's something officers could do. Sort of stun a would be aggressor. Make him sh it his pants while living, rather then dead.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Twila View Post

I've seen a few videos of hunters out..hunting who have been charged by grizzly bears. Momma grizzlies and they've shot over the head of the bear. I was wondering if it's something officers could do. Sort of stun a would be aggressor. Make him **** his pants while living, rather then dead.

Not a great idea, Twila. Bullets have a bad habit of keeping on going after they miss their target. Probably no threat in a grizzly bear environment, but not so good in a city.
 
Twila
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Not a great idea, Twila. Bullets have a bad habit of keeping on going after they miss their target. Probably no threat in a grizzly bear environment, but not so good in a city.

ah, right. Hadn't thought of that. As you can tell, I don't fire guns..or shoot guns. Or do what ever it is you do with guns to make them go BOOM!.
 
#juan
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Part of that may be the body armour, but if Officer McLard is body armoured, it must be nine-inch battleship plates.

Interesting that six or eight shots were fired after the guy was on the ground and still. I'm no expert on police tactics but did they all have to fire? Of the 46 shots, 32 went somewhere else......maybe they all did have to fire.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by #juan View Post

Interesting that six or eight shots were fired after the guy was on the ground and still. I'm no expert on police tactics but did they all have to fire? Of the 46 shots, 32 went somewhere else......maybe they all did have to fire.

This is America. The cops' conduct was restrained. Down hereabouts, it's only considered excessive force if they reload.
 
DaSleeper
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Quote: Originally Posted by Twila View Post

I've seen a few videos of hunters out..hunting who have been charged by grizzly bears. Momma grizzlies (should have added that to my original post) and they've shot over the head of the bear. I was wondering if it's something officers could do. Sort of stun a would be aggressor. Make him sh it his pants while living, rather then dead.

When I took the wilderness handgun safety course, the instructor explained that a charging bear will travel 50 ft. in one second, that if you don't make that first shot count, you might not have time for another.
Those Hunters (Plural) meant a back-up gun.
But I agree that those cops overdid it, by a long shot.....
 
B00Mer
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

This is America. The cops' conduct was restrained. Down hereabouts, it's only considered excessive force if they reload.

Gun culture.. got'a love it..

Just wish Canada had the same ideals..

meh, 10 years from Now Canada will be the 51st state and all is well.
 
CDNBear
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Mr Hall puts down knife.

Mr Hall is still alive.

Funny how that works.
 
Locutus
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

Mr Hall puts down knife.

Mr Hall is still alive.

Funny how that works.


but racism. hunting negroes. assassinating the marginalized.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by Locutus View Post

but racism. hunting negroes. assassinating the marginalized.

Verbal fodder for the perpetual toque'd in the head.
 
Twila
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

Mr Hall puts down knife.

Mr Hall is still alive.

Funny how that works.

Not funny really. If he's homeless there's a great chance he's mentally unwell and to what degree would play a role in whether he knew they were police or if he thought they were NOT police. If he's any spectrum of schizophenic he may well have thought they were aliens or freddy kruger.

It seemed a bit excessive. There is no explanation of why there were 8 cops needed for a lone man. Was this video before tasers?
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Twila View Post

It seemed a bit excessive. There is no explanation of why there were 8 cops needed for a lone man. Was this video before tasers?

Those are for college riots. For homeless black people, it's hot lead and plenty of it!
 
B00Mer
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Quote: Originally Posted by Twila View Post

Was this video before tasers?

I think the video was a Police car dash cam... and yeah why wasn't tasers used.

I'd like to see those cops brought up on charges..
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by Twila View Post

Not funny really. If he's homeless there's a great chance he's mentally unwell and to what degree would play a role in whether he knew they were police or if he thought they were NOT police.

But he was a pillar of the community.

And police aren't social workers, nor should they be.

People holding weapons and refusing a lawful order, are legitimate targets.

Quote:

It seemed a bit excessive.

I agree, I would have dropped him with three rounds, max.

Quote:

There is no explanation of why there were 8 cops needed for a lone man.

Does there need to be an explanation?

Other then the waste of overtime pay.
 
Sal
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those penknives are deadly

what a tragedy
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

I'd like to see those cops brought up on charges..

I'd like to see world peace. But here we are. So in closing see post #13.
 
Walter
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Old news. Why is an old ACLU propaganda piece being brought out? Can't be an election next week, can there?
 

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