*Updated* Who will take the Oval Office?


View Poll Results: Who will win the US federal election?
Mr. John Kerry 6 60.00%
Mr. George Bush 4 40.00%
Voters: 10. You may not vote on this poll

Andem
Free Thinker
#1
There's now 5 days left until probably one of the biggest US elections of our time. Who's gonna take it? Are the planets lining up for John Kerry at last? Has Bush made unprecidented gains in relation to his history as the September 11th president?

Who will take the next election?
 
Andem
Free Thinker
#2
I'm going to remain optimistic and forget about my gut feeling. I'm guessing Americans will come to their senses and vote for Kerry.
 
Andem
Free Thinker
#3
Just another note, we put up a poll on the front page of CC earlier this month which yielded this outcome:



Who do you foresee the victor in the upcoming US Federal elections?

Democrats (Kerry) 120 - 68.18%
Republicans (Bush) 56 - 31.82%
 
Haggis McBagpipe
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by Andem

I'm going to remain optimistic and forget about my gut feeling. I'm guessing Americans will come to their senses and vote for Kerry.

I'm with you, Andem. I just have to believe. Besides, I am physically incapable of clicking any option that says 'Bush'. I like to think of this as a feature, not a bug... one I hope is installed in all Americans come November 2nd.
 
JDream
Liberal
#5
Kerry still needs to win.
 
Paranoid Dot Calm
#6
I'd say that Kerry is gonna win by 8 points popular vote.

There are so many people signing up to vote that they can't all wanna be baptized. I'd say a majority are anti-war.
http://www.newsday.com/news/columnis...ews-columnists

When Pat Robertson screamed at Bush the other day ..... that would tell you that even he knows Bush has lost. In religious circles, this attack by Robertson is quite astounding.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/28/op...wright.html?th
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...mment-opinions

Pat Bucanan is talking about coming back to the Republican party which would mean "after" Bush there is gonna be great debate within the party. They are all scambling to get a seat at the roast.

When CBS and the NYT are found to have had the information concerning the missing explosives in Iraq for several months and only released the information in the media just now, explains that the press knows full well Bush has lost.

When Kerry wins, all Americans will feel cleansed of the atrocities committed in their name at Abu Ghraib. But that is all. Nothing will change. Kerry will have a mandate to "fix" Iraq and use whatever it takes to "solve" it.
I don't think there will be a draft. Right after the election the US is gonna agree to a Mullah taking power in Iraq. Then, they will begin calling the insurgency by the name of "civil war". Then, the Kurds up in the north will "invite" the Americans into their areas in order to protect them from the Shite majority of the south.
The largest airfields are in Northern Iraq and the largest "producing" oil wells are there too. The U.S. will settle for that. Turkey is not gonna like it, and that is why the U.S. is pushing for Turkey to join the European Union. In doing so, Turkey will no longer have an independent foreign policy, and thus not complain so loudly.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3755850.stm
http://www.kurdmedia.com/reports.asp?id=2203
http://www.world-crisis.com/news/917_0_1_0_M

Financially .... the worst is yet to come for the U.S. system. Kerry will find the bank empty. When one considers that America has borrowed 450 billion in the past year and still the economy is cooling, what is left for Kerry to do? Bush and the Elite have taken what money they could now, while the goin' was good. It is just as though it was planned. Where, just before the collapse, the rich have been given the tax breaks so that they can secure their dynasties now. The rich are moving their money to off shore to China and India.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...ns-cover_x.htm
http://www.forbes.com/home/strategie...21topnews.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/19/bu...er=rssuserland

After the elections, the three major airlines are going to declare bankruptcy. Their employee pension plans have been guranteed by the U.S. government .... another hit to the financial system of 200 billion or more.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3748464.stm

Interest rates are going to rise quickly because the U.S. is borrowing the money to finance the war. Just like Ronnie Ray-Gun did when he borrowed to finance the wars in Central America. I remember 22% interest rates.

I remember the 60's and early 70's when the "disgruntled" marched and spoke truth to power. The government was running scared. They started a war on drugs and then started to take our rights away and in Canada they even found the RCMP reading our mail.
Today; the biggest threat to government is the Internet. In the 60's average people who resented power felt they were alone and thought themselves too radical. But, the Internet shows us all that we are not alone and represent 60% of the population.
http://www.furnitureforthepeople.com/patriot.htm

Yep, Kerry will win ..... he'll promise change .... but only in the fifth year of a four year Presidency.

Kind of depressing, eh?

Calm
 
Martin Le Acadien
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by Paranoid Dot Calm

I'd say that Kerry is gonna win by 8 points popular vote.

Since the US uses the Electroial College system, the surprize states will be OHIO, PENNSYLVANIA, IOWA, FLORIDA, NEW MEXICO but a change in any state could swing as few as 4 and as many as 25 votes, The electors are the wild card, they could swing the vote if any of them waffle! [/quote]


[/quote]There are so many people signing up to vote that they can't all wanna be baptized. I'd say a majority are anti-war.
http://www.newsday.com/news/columnis...ews-columnists

When Pat Robertson screamed at Bush the other day ..... that would tell you that even he knows Bush has lost. In religious circles, this attack by Robertson is quite astounding.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/28/op...wright.html?th
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...mment-opinions

Pat Bucanan is talking about coming back to the Republican party which would mean "after" Bush there is gonna be great debate within the party. They are all scambling to get a seat at the roast.[/quote]

when the preachers wont vote for ya, you is in deep trouble!


[/quote]When CBS and the NYT are found to have had the information concerning the missing explosives in Iraq for several months and only released the information in the media just now, explains that the press knows full well Bush has lost.[/quote]

NO, when the news media sits on a story, it could backfire. The general population is mistrustful of mass media and accuse it of being "Liberal", so a Pro-Kerry stance could hurt at the last minute since not all voters go to the polls! Don't galvanze anyone with a story on election eve or it looks like dirty politics.[/quote]

When Kerry wins, all Americans will feel cleansed of the atr[/quote]ocities committed in their name at Abu Ghraib. But that is all. Nothing will change. Kerry will have a mandate to "fix" Iraq and use whatever it takes to "solve" it.[/quote]

He must use it carefully, remember what happened in CA (California).

[/quote]I don't think there will be a draft.[/quote]

A 3rd rail issue!

[/quote] Right after the election the US is gonna agree to a Mullah taking power in Iraq. [/quote]

A Mullah would be a popular as the Colonel as a Chicken Farm, Religious types would not be the answer, Kerry would be recalled as quick as the Flu Vaccine and a Mad Cow in the Customs' express line![/quote]

[/quote]Then, they will begin calling the insurgency by the name of "civil war". Then, the Kurds up in the north will "invite" the Americans into their areas in order to protect them from the Shite majority of the south.

The largest airfields are in Northern Iraq and the largest "producing" oil wells are there too. The U.S. will settle for that. Turkey is not gonna like it, and that is why the U.S. is pushing for Turkey to join the European Union. In doing so, Turkey will no longer have an independent foreign policy, and thus not complain so loudly.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3755850.stm
http://www.kurdmedia.com/reports.asp?id=2203
http://www.world-crisis.com/news/917_0_1_0_M [/quote]

Turkey might want those oilfields and the kurds too sonce it would give them a claim to area they have had since Ottoman Empire Days! [/quote]

Financially .... the worst is yet to come for the U.S. system. Kerry will find the bank empty. When one considers that America has borrowed 450 billion in the past year and still the economy is cooling, what is left for Kerry to do? Bush and the Elite have taken what money they could now, while the goin' was good. It is just as though it was planned. Where, just before the collapse, the rich have been given the tax breaks so that they can secure their dynasties now. The rich are moving their money to off shore to China and India.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...ns-cover_x.htm
http://www.forbes.com/home/strategie...21topnews.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/19/bu...er=rssuserland



After the elections, the three major airlines are going to declare bankruptcy. Their employee pension plans have been guranteed by the U.S. government .... another hit to the financial system of 200 billion or more.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3748464.stm

Interest rates are going to rise quickly because the U.S. is borrowing the money to finance the war. Just like Ronnie Ray-Gun did when he borrowed to finance the wars in Central America. I remember 22% interest rates.[/quote]

Why would anyone want to be the head of the Financial Titanic? Kerry would ensure that the Demos couldn't get relected to dogcatcher if that happens, just look at Herbert Hoover (1928 to 1932) who was a Republican, I say, this looks like a rep plot to sink the demos for years to come?


[/quote]I remember the 60's and early 70's when the "disgruntled" marched and spoke truth to power. The government was running scared. They started a war on drugs and then started to take our rights away and in Canada they even found the RCMP reading our mail.Today; the biggest threat to government is the Internet. In the 60's average people who resented power felt they were alone and thought themselves too radical. But, the Internet shows us all that we are not alone and represent 60% of the population.
http://www.furnitureforthepeople.com/patriot.htm

Yep, Kerry will win ..... he'll promise change .... but only in the fifth year of a four year Presidency.

Kind of depressing, eh?

Calm[/quote]

So what else is new!
 
Rick van Opbergen
#8
Who I want to win: Kerry. Who's going to win: Bush. Sorry guys, but that's what I think ... ... and I don't like it.
 
Reverend Blair
#9
I wouldn't call this for either yet. You can pretty much flip a coin at this point...even the partisan pundits are hedging their bets.

I think Calm's assessment of the war is pretty good though, and there is little doubt that the Republican Party is going to have a major internal battle no matter who wins the election.
 
Rick van Opbergen
#10
Well I've read about this formula, made by a political scientist, which is very accurate at pointing out the future president - it stood in the National Geographic, and is considered the best formula in the whole of the US (...) It pointed out Bush as the future president ...
 
Reverend Blair
#11
Too many side issues...the explosives in Iraq deal isn't done yet. The Pentagon marched a guy out today to say that he'd removed explosives from the site, but he was there before the news crew from Minneapolis by all accounts. Meanwhile several big name Republicans have publicly blamed the military...something the Democrats have consistently avoided.

There are also all those new voters (presumably Democrats) and the Republican attempts to keep them from voting.

Then there's those crooked electronic voting machines.
 
Andem
Free Thinker
#12
Geez, I wish I had the same optimistic outlook as you do, Paranoid. Though the US voting system is strange to say the least. Not really democratic when it's such a close call like 2000 madness.

Welcome back, Paranoid-Dot-Calm. I look forward to reading your stuff again
 
Haggis McBagpipe
#13
 
Andem
Free Thinker
#14
That's a great one Haggis
 
Rick van Opbergen
#15
I heard a lot of Americans fear the elections Tuesday will be as chaotic - or even more chaotic - as the elections in 2000.
 
Reverend Blair
#16
It's looking like there will be more lawyers than voters at some polls, Rick. The Republicans plan to challenge everybody with even a mild tan and the Democrats plan to challenge each of the Republican's challenges.

Election observers from all over the world have descended on the US to learn how to spot corruption and inefficiency. Comedians from every country where comedy is allowed are watching closely so they can get some new material.

There could be race riots in Florida and Ohio, and if Kerry wins the Bible belt is likely to resemble an armed camp before Christmas rolls around.

I plan to spend Nov. 2 hunkered down in front of my computer with the TV and radio turned up loud, a remote duct-taped to each arm and huge supply of beer. It's not everyday you get to see the world's most powerful nation become what the UN refers to as a failed state.

Either that or they'll bicker for a while on Fox and CNN and decide to bomb the crap out of some other third world country that has a lot of oil and no real army.
 
Haggis McBagpipe
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

I plan to spend Nov. 2 hunkered down in front of my computer with the TV and radio turned up loud, a remote duct-taped to each arm and huge supply of beer. It's not everyday you get to see the world's most powerful nation become what the UN refers to as a failed state.

I sure like your plan for that day, Rev. I am unbelievably psyched for Nov 2, it is going to be non-stop excitement all day. Watching US presidential elections has been a favourite pastime of mine for over 30 years, but this one, whoa, this one promises to be the most thrilling US election ever.
 
Reverend Blair
#18
That's how I spend every election, actually...no matter what country it's in. Canadian leadership races within the parties too.

This is the most exciting US election in a long, long time though. The last one was close, but it wasn't exciting somehow. After Gore and Bush dressed like twins for the debates and kept agreeing with each other, it just seemed like we'd have to wait out the next four years no matter who won.

Tuesday is going to be different though. I doubt we'll know who won before the end of the November.
 
Haggis McBagpipe
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

That's how I spend every election, actually...no matter what country it's in. Canadian leadership races within the parties too.

This is the most exciting US election in a long, long time though. The last one was close, but it wasn't exciting somehow. After Gore and Bush dressed like twins for the debates and kept agreeing with each other, it just seemed like we'd have to wait out the next four years no matter who won.

Tuesday is going to be different though. I doubt we'll know who won before the end of the November.

I love the federal elections here, too, but there's something special about the American ones, a drama, a sort of theatrical aspect.

Thanks to you (and your posting of Hunter Thompson's article) I am going to go nuts here and play Pollyanna, - totally, inanely optimistic - I'm going to say there will be a clear winner on Nov 2 - Kerry - a win so clear that all the lawyers in the world won't be able to put Humpty Bushky together again.

What the hell. All I can be is wrong, eh?
 

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