here is the absolute proof (already well posted) that these gods never existed


MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post

PS:
Then there is the absolute proof (already well posted) that these gods never existed as claimed at all,

As mentioned where you posted this I don't think we have ever covered anything in depth let alone Christian Theology so I'm going to start at the basics.
Literalism promotes the book has certain characteristics that point to real events being covered in the various passages that point to a literal history. The other parts are prophecies, some have been fulfilled in the times covered and the last words were written about 100AD.
There is no link so you will have to suffer through my post. The collective tends to say they don't even read them but know they are error filled. It won't take long to see if that is the route you will take. If a question pops up as you are reading it might be wiser to get an explanation before going any further.

How many people get 'un-lost' by moving forward once they are lost?

Part of square 1 is promoting there is one set of texts that are better than all of the others. If you do not use the Greek NT and the Hebrew OT you will find it to be hopeless as far as being able to see it as a single work. God in Ge:1:1 is the same God in Re:21 and as the father figure to Jesus in the Gospel. He is also the one John the Baptist is referencing in John:1:1.

Re:1:1:
The Revelation of Jesus Christ,
which God gave unto him,
to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;
and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Part of square 1 is making yourself part of the group the whole book was meant for and rather than thinking like an ancient the text is to be read as if it was in the news today and the descriptions are vivid, as vivid as any modern video in a lot of cases.

Since the whole book needs to be covered using that parameter some OT text that we say was understandable to them and that makes it a mystery to us is not the way it actually works.

This is a possible starting point to show that we can understand the book as fast as we can read certain verses. A literal history.

Ge:7:17-20:
And the flood was forty days upon the earth;
and the waters increased,
and bare up the ark,
and it was lift up above the earth.
And the waters prevailed,
and were increased greatly upon the earth;
and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth;
and all the high hills,
that were under the whole heaven,
were covered.
Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail;
and the mountains were covered.

Our generation has access to a modern globe, to get 22.5ft of water on the dry land the water evaporated from the ocean would lower it by just over 5ft. The rest of the math is just as easy, such as 6" of rain fell every 24 hours. To a desert dweller snow wound never have been seen yet we have lots of pics of snow on the tops of high hill and it takes 5 months for it to melt. That could be used to cover Sumeria and the gods they believed in.






This next one is a bit more difficult, the water parting by Moses was where the south end of the Bittern lakes was pushed into the bigger body by a strong wing and Moses crossed on damp sand. the water coming back would have been like a modern day flash flood in any desert.

The verse is a summation of the moves that can be plotted on the map that suggests Moses went directly south and on the west side of the lake while the soldiers used the roads and were waiting for Moses to come out on that road.

Ex:14:2:
Speak unto the children of Israel,
that they turn and encamp before Pi-hahiroth,
between Migdol and the sea,
over against Baal-zephon:
before it shall ye encamp by the sea.























 
MHz
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If that isn't enough to inspire a question this will summarize what I believe.

Ge:3:15:
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and her seed;
it shall bruise thy head,
and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Isa:53:9-12:
And he made his grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death;
because he had done no violence,
neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him;
he hath put him to grief:
when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin,
he shall see his seed,
he shall prolong his days,
and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
He shall see of the travail of his soul,
and shall be satisfied:
by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many;
for he shall bear their iniquities.
Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great,
and he shall divide the spoil with the strong;
because he hath poured out his soul unto death:
and he was numbered with the transgressors;
and he bare the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.

Joh:19:30:
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar,
he said,
It is finished:
and he bowed his head,
and gave up the ghost.

The division between the Scripture about the two bruises is found in Acts:10. The unclean food being made clean was the last act God did that was specifically to the 12 Tribes. Peter went with Gentiles and taught them about the kingdom of god in the form that we have that comes after that specific chapter. Paul had the very same messages for gentiles while the Apostles preached in Jerusalem until 70AD and then they also headed towards Rome as that was the first nation to receive the whole NT and having Jews who were already familiar with the OT.

Re:16:17-21:
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air;
and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven,
from the throne,
saying,
It is done.
And there were voices,
and thunders,
and lightnings;
and there was a great earthquake,
such as was not since men were upon the earth,
so mighty an earthquake,
and so great.
And the great city was divided into three parts,
and the cities of the nations fell:
and great Babylon came in remembrance before God,
to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
And every island fled away,
and the mountains were not found.
And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven,
every stone about the weight of a talent:
and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail;
for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

The 1,000 year reign then begins.

Ge:3:16:
Unto the woman he said,
I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception;
in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children;
and thy desire shall be to thy husband,
and he shall rule over thee.

Re:12:1:
And there appeared a great wonder in heaven;
a woman clothed with the sun,
and the moon under her feet,
and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Re:12:2:
And she being with child cried,
travailing in birth,
and pained to be delivered.

Isa:60:22:
A little one shall become a thousand,
and a small one a strong nation:
I the LORD will hasten it in his time.

M't:22:30:
For in the resurrection they neither marry,
nor are given in marriage,
but are as the angels of God in heaven.

The increase in birth was increased because of the many deaths that would happen before the prophecy was fulfilled. The number of people that are resurrected at the Great White Throne will be the much larger number compared to who is alive for the 1,000 years. They are a static population because they are equal to angels and they are not given in marriage. They are shepherds and the flock is all the people born that also died because it was a sinful world. The first sacrifice saw one being rejected and the meat one accepted. Starting at the start of the 1,000 years the grain one will become acceptable because it is a sinless world and that same sacrifice will also be the norm for the era known as the new earth. The beginning comes as a flourish.

Re:12:3:
And there appeared another wonder in heaven;
and behold a great red dragon,
having seven heads and ten horns,
and seven crowns upon his heads.

Satan and all fallen angels have been around since their heaven began to form at the start if the 1st day of creation. The old earth theory would put it at 40BYA. They would have been around the earth and saw God at work. They would have been free to do whatever on Eden minus the Garden area. The destroyed monuments would have been in pristine condition for Adam and Eve;s children to find as they spread out over the earth.Those are the places that the Church will restore back to working condition as that will be what they do in the new earth. That is part of another topic.

7 heads should be the 7 laws from Re:21 as they were found guilty under that law when God judged the world before the flood. The grief He felt was because of what was being done to Adam and Eve's children. 10 horns is 10 languages and that is probably how the world is divided when the Beast from the Pit has 10 men acting as 10 nations during the 5th and 6th trumps. 7 crowns would show he was sinless and a king of sorts in the Kingdom of God.

Re:12:4:
And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven,
and did cast them to the earth:
and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered,
for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Only Satan was not put into the Pit during the flood. When Enoch had it in prophecy it was before the event, when Moses mentiones the same event it is in the past tense.

Jude:1:14:
And Enoch also,
the seventh from Adam,
prophesied of these,
saying,
Behold,
the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

De:33:2:
And he said,
The LORD came from Sinai,
and rose up from Seir unto them;
he shined forth from mount Paran,
and he came with ten thousands of saints:
from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

Re:12:5:
And she brought forth a man child,
who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron:
and her child was caught up unto God,
and to his throne.

She is Mary, mother of Jesus, pretty much explains it all.

Re:12:6:
And the woman fled into the wilderness,
where she hath a place prepared of God,
that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

The 'seed of Eve' from Ge:3:15 is also the mother of John the Baptist because the 3 1/2 years is from when John is called and when the cross takes place. The version found in the Gospel of John (the Baptist)

Re:12:7:
And there was war in heaven:
Michael and his angels fought against the dragon;
and the dragon fought and his angels,
Re:12:8:
And prevailed not;
neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Fallen angels are in the 'well without water' until the last one is released at the end of the 1,000 year reign. The Beast from the Pit and the False Prophet are sent to the fiery lake by Christ on the same day the 7th trump sounds. The 200M horsemen have their bones buried in Israel for the whole of the 1,000 years and then they are raised as Gog and sent to the fiery lake. Magog is a smoking hole that leads to where Satan is in chains, all remaining fallen angels will still be there, waiting for judgment.

Re:12:9:
And the great dragon was cast out,
that old serpent,
called the Devil,
and Satan,
which deceiveth the whole world:
he was cast out into the earth,
and his angels were cast out with him.

Time from when Eve had daughters and the flood, bit more than 1,000 years. Only Satan failed to be put there as God had already determined when he would be sent to the Pit, equal to 1 day and then off to the lake for eternity. The fiery lake is another topic.

Re:12:10:
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven,
Now is come salvation,
and strength,
and the kingdom of our God,
and the power of his Christ:
for the accuser of our brethren is cast down,
which accused them before our God day and night.
Re:12:11:
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb,
and by the word of their testimony;
and they loved not their lives unto the death.

The Saints mentioned by Enoch and Moses. Daniel called them holy Watchers.

Re:12:12:
Therefore rejoice,
ye heavens,
and ye that dwell in them.
Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea!
for the devil is come down unto you,
having great wrath,
because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

The day the 5th trump sounds in Re:9. The woman below is the Church and the 144,000 from the 12 Tribes. On the day the 7th trump sounds 2/3 f the living gentiles will be classified as goats and 1.3 will be the sheep from the Matt:25 prophecy about the judgment of the nations. The woman who wrote the Gospel of John (the Baptist) and Revelations is Mary of Bethany and she is the first person to be resurrected after the two witnesses and it is she alone that is standing on a mountain watching New Jerusalem to descend to this earth at the end of Revelations. She is His wife at that point, she is resurrected as His wife.

Re:12:13:
And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth,
he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Re:12:14:
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle,
that she might fly into the wilderness,
into her place,
where she is nourished for a time,
and times,
and half a time,
from the face of the serpent.
Re:12:15:
And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman,
that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Re:12:16:
And the earth helped the woman,
and the earth opened her mouth,
and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Re:12:17:
And the dragon was wroth with the woman,
and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

How the 1/3 end up being alive at the end of the 7 vials being poured out
 
Walter
#3
Another Christophobe thread.
 
Danbones
#4

http://www.viewzone.com/crichton.html

Here is a good place to start.
 
Danbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Another Christophobe thread.

You have had 2000 years to justify this "faith" Walter. I would say just the fate of any average Palistinian christian on a day to day basis should be enough to end it these days, but I prefer to use the math book, the dictionary, and the atlas to do it.
Even REV 22: 16 should do it...Jesus saying he is the son of Lucifer...Geez, you can't make this stuff up!

Say...there are 2 numbers of the beast, 666, and 616 - I guess if any christian knew what they had in common, that would end it too.

So, why are angels named after "An", and why do they dance on the head of a "pin" anyway?
 
MHz
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Another Christophobe thread.

Did you thank (insert right deity name here)there are less than there are troll posts from you alone. Want to see that changed so people with think they are in Church as soon as any page opens up?


What religion is that 6th century BC Babylon, Jewish version?
 
MHz
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post


http://www.viewzone.com/crichton.html

Here is a good place to start.

" The most likely humans to survive this cataclysmic event were those who were at sea."
The 400ft rise? How long was the ice in place before the big melt started, 36,000 years or 360,000 years where rainfall was enough do make the Dead Sea a body of fresh water.
History would have to account for all the megaliths around the globe being constructed also. How about 36,000BC for mankind in Sumeria at the end of the ice-age and 360,000BC for the start of the ice-age and all megaliths were complete in 36,000BC.


The Bible allows for that as long as the humans there were primates who has faces like modern men, and the skills to go along with it. Adam and Eve are the formation of a family unit that stays in one place when the area we know as Israel was a garden that required no maintenance.

That weather pattern would circle the globe, checking that part out would a good sized post by itself.
 
Walter
#8
Christophobes be funny.
 
MHz
#9
There must be more that is funny to a capitalist extremist such as yourself. Mothers selling their babies would be the last giggle you had, Right?
 
MHz
#10
Looks like that was the start and end of DB and the proof that God doesn't exist. lol
HTFuk did the collective intimidate anybody??
 
Gilgamesh
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Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post


http://www.viewzone.com/crichton.html

Here is a good place to start.

Is their an actual reason for publishing this Bronze Age rubbish?
 
darkbeaver
#12
Had there been no bronze age you would very likely not be here.
 
darkbeaver
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

" The most likely humans to survive this cataclysmic event were those who were at sea."
The 400ft rise? How long was the ice in place before the big melt started, 36,000 years or 360,000 years where rainfall was enough do make the Dead Sea a body of fresh water.
History would have to account for all the megaliths around the globe being constructed also. How about 36,000BC for mankind in Sumeria at the end of the ice-age and 360,000BC for the start of the ice-age and all megaliths were complete in 36,000BC.


The Bible allows for that as long as the humans there were primates who has faces like modern men, and the skills to go along with it. Adam and Eve are the formation of a family unit that stays in one place when the area we know as Israel was a garden that required no maintenance.

That weather pattern would circle the globe, checking that part out would a good sized post by itself.


Not at seas {raging} but in caves at elevation.
 
MHz
#14
The right elevation to be above the permanent fog, say 2,000 ft using today's scale?
 
Cliffy
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Cliffy
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DaSleeper
#17
Nobody has a problem with those you dummy...


This is what people have a problem with when people vote or testify in court!









https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z-X3uDal_4
Last edited by DaSleeper; Mar 28th, 2019 at 07:58 AM..
 
petros
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

There is no link so you will have to suffer through my post. The collective tends to say they don't even read them but know they are error filled

Lmfao
 
MHz
#19
You spelled Lmfho wrong as it is your 'fat head' where the sound comes from unless your laugh sounds like a fart, . . . that is certainly more than a little possible.
 
Cliffy
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Nobody has a problem with those you dummy...


 
DaSleeper
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