Many mistakes by NASA


Torch light
#1
Whether deliberately or not, NASA has made so many mistakes .. like insisting there is no life on Mars, and prior to this .. there is no life on Mars .. and that Mars is inert planet with no volcano eruptions in so many millions or billions of years ago till now.

But the evidence from ESA has given something different as regards the volcano activity .. when they observed this high plume of smoke coming from one of its supposed inert volcano or near to it.

https://www.rt.com/news/442005-nasa-life-on-mars/
 
spaminator
#2
I hope one day to see hi res pics of the martian pyramids.
 
MHz
#3
We should go and pick up the stuff we left on the moon so we don't get a littering ticket.

This was picked because it is short, the longer ones are 'better' but this is a nice summation of how you can go to Mars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Wz6mXAvYvo
 
Jinentonix
+1
#4  Top Rated Post
Quote: Originally Posted by Torch light View Post

Whether deliberately or not, NASA has made so many mistakes .. like insisting there is no life on Mars, and prior to this .. there is no life on Mars .. and that Mars is inert planet with no volcano eruptions in so many millions or billions of years ago till now.
But the evidence from ESA has given something different as regards the volcano activity .. when they observed this high plume of smoke coming from one of its supposed inert volcano or near to it.
https://www.rt.com/news/442005-nasa-life-on-mars/

Ummm hey dumbass? Did you even read the article? Here, right from the article you linked to.
Quote:

“No ground or space based observations of Mars or its atmosphere have produced any credible evidence for active volcanism occurring in the present day or recent history,” party-pooper and planetary scientist Elliot Sefton-Nash, who works on several ESA projects including Mars Sample Return, ExoMars and Mars Express, told RT.com.

“Observations made on 24th September by the Visual Monitoring Camera (VMC) aboard ESA’s Mars Express spacecraft, show a cloud oriented approximately east-west and around ~2,000km long, as well as the shadow that it cast onto the Martian surface below. Clouds are known to form seasonally in this region, and are associated with the volcanoes because their topography influences atmospheric conditions,” he continues. “This is a well documented phenomenon and several scientific articles exist documenting and explaining the process and highlight the seasonal regularity of the occurrence in this region.”

Sure looks like the ESA agrees with NASA to me.
 
MHz
#5
Perhaps they are both bogus entities.

If wars can be bogus the why not all of the other 'professions' as the funding comes from the same place. Iraq gunning for Iran just after 1979 was Iraq acting as a proxy army for the US. If Saddam had known he would be knifed in the back by his partners he would have lost to Iran and insisted they invade his country properly.

Da:11:27:
And both these kings' hearts shall be to do mischief,
and they shall speak lies at one table;
but it shall not prosper:
for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.

For the flaws that do exist the corrections are coming from left field rather than 'the competition'. If they both support the same view and it is flawed do they need more money or less. The Clergy is no better, the books have been the same for 2,000 years or more and every week some Padre will claim that God just showed him something new.

https://www.popsci.com/why-martians-...was-impossible
When the Ares 3 crew runs into a dust storm with 105-mph winds, the team is ordered to evacuate, out of fear that their return ship might topple over. As the crew struggles against the winds to reach the vehicle, a flying piece of shrapnel hits Watney, and his crewmates assume he’s been killed.
It’s true that Mars’ sandstorms can be massive, enveloping the entire planet in shadow for days or weeks. And they can be quite wild, with winds topping out above 100 miles an hour. But it would feel a lot different from a 100 mph storm here on Earth.
“If I were standing on Mars, a 100-mile-per-hour wind is going to exert the same effect on me as about an 11-mph wind on Earth,” Dave Lavery from NASA’s Solar System Exploration program told Popular Science. According to the Beaufort Wind Force Scale, that’s a gentle breeze.
“So you wouldn't get that level of damage, or big pieces flying through the air, causing all these events to happen,” says Lavery.
Why are Martian sandstorms so much less powerful? It all has to do with the density of the atmosphere.
Mars’ atmosphere is only about 1 percent as dense as ours, “as if you were standing on a 100,000-foot mountain on Earth,” says Lavery. (That would be about three times higher than the peak of Mount Everest.)
"You wouldn't get that level of damage, or big pieces flying through the air."

Because the atmosphere is so much thinner, the amount of energy in its winds is much lower. The energy is determined by how much air there is, and how fast it’s moving. Or in other words, momentum = mass times velocity. Assuming velocity is constant, having fewer molecules in the air lowers its mass, which brings down its momentum.
Conversely, “the thicker the atmosphere is,” says Lavery, “the more energy it’s able to store as it moves, and therefore the more stuff it can pick up.”
It’s sort of like the difference between getting hit by a 20-mile-per-hour river versus a 20-mile-per-hour wind. Which one is going to pack a more powerful punch? The river, because water is denser than air.
As a result of its thin atmosphere, winds on Mars carry about one-tenth of the energy of those on on Earth.
(in part)

You are the one claiming to have the higher IQ between us, as well as the entire membership of this corner of the collective.
Last edited by MHz; Oct 24th, 2018 at 02:49 PM..
 
Torch light
#6
Correction of the first post:

Whether deliberately or not, NASA has made so many mistakes .. like insisting there is no life on Mars, and prior to this .. there is no water on Mars .. and that Mars is an inert planet with no volcano eruptions in so many millions or billions of years ago till now!!

But the evidence from ESA has given something different as regards the volcano activity .. when they observed this high plume of smoke coming from one of its supposed inert volcano or near to it.

https://www.rt.com/news/442005-nasa-life-on-mars/
 
Torch light
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Mars’ atmosphere is only about 1 percent as dense as ours, “as if you were standing on a 100,000-foot mountain on Earth,” says Lavery. (That would be about three times higher than the peak of Mount Everest.)

The atmosphere of Mars may be bigger than that of the Earth, and Mars itself may be bigger than Earth:
1- The sunset afterglow which is the redness seen in the west following sunset by about 1 1/2 hr on Earth, while this sunset afterglow is higher and it lasts more than that of the Earth.
This sunset afterglow (and the same is the sunrise glow preceding the sunrise) is due to the dust particles in the troposphere.
2- Dust storms vary in intensity even on Earth.
3- The existing cloud drifted by the wind indicates the atmosphere is not that thin as it is alleged.

http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/n...Astronomers_Co
quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_3.htm#The_Wrong_Calculations_of_Astronome rs_Co
 
Torch light
#8
The sunset afterglow or twilight: is the redness remaining in the sky [in the west] for some time following the sunset .. it is the same as the twilight of dawn: which is the redness in the sky [in the east] preceding the sunrise.

It is as high as the troposphere; this redness lasts in relation to the extent of this troposphere and it is caused by the dust particles in the atmosphere which is principally in the troposphere layer.
 
Jinentonix
+1
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by Torch light View Post

Correction of the first post:
Whether deliberately or not, NASA has made so many mistakes .. like insisting there is no life on Mars, and prior to this .. there is no water on Mars .. and that Mars is an inert planet with no volcano eruptions in so many millions or billions of years ago till now!!
But the evidence from ESA has given something different as regards the volcano activity .. when they observed this high plume of smoke coming from one of its supposed inert volcano or near to it.
https://www.rt.com/news/442005-nasa-life-on-mars/

Read your link you moron. The ESA confirmed that it is NOT an active volcano and that "plume of smoke" is actually a cloud formation. If you're going to post links, at least read them first and make sure they don't contradict the nonsense you're spewing.
 
MHz
#10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8Aa3nfUcR4
The great NASA HOAX continues: TV from the MOON? Yes, when you see the details on the power needs you will realize it is totally insane. The earth is flat, the moon is a light and Apollo nothing went there. Get rid of pride and wake up to the light
 
Hoid
+1
#11
water can't exist on Mars in liquid state.

perhaps eons ago when/if there was an atmosphere and pressure. At the moment the atmospheric pressure on Mars is <1% that of earth at sl.
 
MHz
#12






Any moisture in the ground would rise as the temps go above freezing only to freeze again at night. Damp soil that is frozen is as hard as a rock, you will not leave tracks and you certainly won't be digging a hole by spinning a wheel.


When people turn a bling eye to logic they really go all out. lol
 
MHz
#13
This would be easier if anybody had tried the Mars parachute question from a month ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDSbUpmRksI

InSight Landing on Mars


Some numbers from the vid:
top of atmosphere 70mi
13,000mph
slows at 12g
13,000mph - 1,000 mph
10 miles high
Chute deployed








https://www.space.com/16903-mars-atm...e-weather.html
Mars' thin atmosphere and its greater distance from the sun mean that Mars is much colder than Earth. The average temperature is about minus 80 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 60 degrees Celsius), although it can vary from minus 195 F (minus 125 C) near the poles during the winter to as much as a comfortable 70 F (20 C) at midday near the equator.
The atmosphere of Mars is also roughly 100 times thinner than Earth's, but it is still thick enough to support weather, clouds and winds. There is also radiation at its surface, but it shouldn't be enough to stop Mars exploration; analysis by the Curiosity rover found that a single mission to Mars is comparable to the radiation guidelines for astronauts for the European Space Agency, although it does exceed those of NASA.


https://mars.nasa.gov/insight/timeli...scent-landing/
Compared with Phoenix, though, InSight's landing presents four added challenges:

  • InSight enters the atmosphere at a lower velocity -- 12,300 miles per hour (5.5 kilometers per second) vs. 12,500 miles per hour (5.6 kilometers per second).
  • InSight has more mass entering the atmosphere -- about 1,340 pounds (608 kilograms) vs. 1,263 pounds (573 kilograms).
  • InSight lands at an elevation of about 4,900 feet (1.5 kilometers) higher than Phoenix did, so it has less atmosphere to use for deceleration.
  • InSight lands during northern hemisphere autumn on Mars, when dust storms are known to have grown to global proportions in some prior years.
Atmosphere

Mars has a very thin atmosphere composed mostly of carbon dioxide (95 %), while Earth's atmosphere is mostly nitrogen (77%) and oxygen (21%). The average atmospheric pressure on Mars is less than 1% of Earth's, and no human could survive there without a pressurized spacesuit. Mars' atmosphere also lacks a protective ozone layer, which allows much of the Sun's dangerous ultraviolet radiation to reach the planet's surface.
Mars appears red when viewed from space due to the presence of red hematite (a type of iron oxide, similar to rust) in the rocks and soil. And if you looked up at the sky from the surface of Mars, you wouldn't see a blue or cloudy gray sky like you would from Earth. Instead, you would see a bright, pinkish-color sky. This is due to the fine, red dust carried by the Martian winds. Because of Mars' thin atmosphere, these winds can blow up to 100 km (62 miles) per hour, sometimes stirring up the thin, Martian dust and creating global dust storms that engulf the entire planet.



http://mathscinotes.com/2012/10/eart...ssure-to-mars/
Background

On Earth, we usually talk about pressure at sea level. Mars does not have an ocean that we can use as an altitude reference. The Wikipedia gives two points of reference for the atmospheric pressure on Mars:
This is quite a range of values. The atmospheric pressure on the surface of Mars has dynamic range of 38.5 = 1155/30. To compute the dynamic range of the Earth's surface pressure, let's use the following two points:
  • Peak of Mount Everest (8,848 meters above sea level): 33,730 pascals
  • Dead Sea (423 meters below sea level): 106,200 pascals
This means that the dynamic range of air pressure at the Earth's surface is only 3.14 =106,200/33,730. We see that the dynamic range of air pressure on Earth is much less than we would encounter on Mars.
Let's find the altitudes on Earth with the same atmospheric pressures as Olympus Mons and Hellas Planetia.
Analysis

The quickest (and cheapest) way to find the altitudes we want is to go out to NASA's web site and download a table. Using this table, we can look up the altitudes that correspond to pressures of 0.3 millibars and 11.5 millibars. Those altitudes are:
  • 11.5 millibars ⇒ 30.125 km = 98,350 feet
  • 0.3 millibars ⇒ 57.150 km = 187,500 feet
Conclusion

The surface pressure on Mars is equivalent to the range of pressures on Earth at altitudes between ~30 km and ~60 km. That seems like pretty thin atmosphere. Since humans require pressure suits for altitudes above ~19 km (called the Armstrong limit), it looks like people will always be wearing pressure suits while walking about Mars.
Last edited by MHz; Nov 14th, 2018 at 10:37 PM..
 
MHz
#14
4 days till the animation nets NASA a few $100B more, money for nothing, must be nice. (being highway robbery kind of takes some of the 'shine' away IMO)


Animations don't sue like wronged starlets either.
 
MHz
#15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_Q7jarVHDU
 
MHz
#16
Is it worth getting the odds from Vegas for the 'Mars Rover landing' coming up?

Why can I not find a bar that has it as PPV event??
What is wring with this world???


What was the altitude where a chute will open? -50,000ft where 0 is ground.
 
MHz
#17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz4f7zlGETI&t=1895s
NASA Previews InSight Mars Landing

Artists at work or scientists at work??
http://planetary-science.org/mars-re...an-atmosphere/
Atmosphere
Mars lost its magnetosphere 4 billion years ago, so the solar wind interacts directly with the Martian ionosphere, lowering the atmospheric density by stripping away atoms from the outer layer. Both Mars Global Surveyor and Mars Express have detected ionised atmospheric particles trailing off into space behind Mars, and this atmospheric loss will be studied by the upcoming MAVEN orbiter. Compared to Earth, the atmosphere of Mars is quite rarefied.



Atmospheric pressure on the surface today ranges from a low of 30 Pa (0.030 kPa) on Olympus Mons to over 1,155 Pa (1.155 kPa) in Hellas Planitia, with a mean pressure at the surface level of 600 Pa (0.60 kPa).



The highest atmospheric density on Mars is equal to the density found 35 km above the Earth’s surface.



The resulting mean surface pressure is only 0.6% of that of the Earth (101.3 kPa).



The scale height of the atmosphere is about 10.8 km, which is higher than Earth’s (6 km) because the surface gravity of Mars is only about 38% of Earth’s, an effect offset by both the lower temperature and 50% higher average molecular weight of the atmosphere of Mars. The atmosphere of Mars consists of about 95% carbon dioxide, 3% nitrogen, 1.6% argon and contains traces of oxygen and water. The atmosphere is quite dusty, containing particulates about 1.5 µm in diameter which give the Martian sky a tawny color when seen from the surface.




A weather balloon is helium filled, the heat shield when it hits the top of the atmosphere is supposed to slow it down at -12g, I'm thinking that is bad math.
 
MHz
#18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWvN4n3reIU
NASA InSight: The Science and Engineering of a Mars Lander

PART 1: Engineering Briefing Prior to landing on the Red Planet NASA discusses the engineering that went into the InSight lander. Launched on May 5, InSight marks NASA's first Mars landing since the Curiosity rover in 2012. The landing will kick off a two-year mission in which InSight will become the first spacecraft to study Mars' deep interior. Its data also will help scientists understand the formation of all rocky worlds, including our own. InSight is being followed to Mars by two miniature NASA spacecraft, jointly called Mars Cube One (MarCO), the first deep-space mission for CubeSats. If MarCO makes its planned Mars flyby, it will attempt to relay data from InSight as it enters the planet's atmosphere and lands. InSight and MarCO flight controllers will monitor the spacecraft's entry, descent and landing from Mission Control at JPL. Speakers include: - Thomas Zurbuchen, Associate Administrator - Tom Hoffman, InSight project manager at JPL - Stu Spath, InSight Program Manager, Lockheed Martin Science - Rob Grover, Entry, Descent and Landing (EDL) Phase Lead for InSight, NASA-JPL - Anne Marinan, MarCO-B Mission Manager, NASA-JPL PART 2: Science Overview Speakers include: Lori Glaze, Acting Director of NASA’s Planetary Science Division, NASA Headquarters Bruce Banerdt, InSight Principal Investigator, NASA-JPL Sue Smrekar, InSight Deputy Principal Investigator, NASA-JPL Philippe Laudet, SEIS (Seismic Experiment for Interior Structure) Project Manager, CNES (French Space Agency) Tilman Spohn, HP 3 (Heat Flow and Physical Properties Probe) Principal Investigator, DLR (German Aerospace Agency)
 
MHz
#19
https://sputniknews.com/russia/20181...-landing-joke/
While it is widely believed that the 1969 Apollo 11 mission did successfully deliver the first people to the Moon, many still claim that the famous moon landing was faked. The Apollo program marked perhaps the biggest triumph for the US in the Space Race with the USSR.

Dmitry Rogozin, the head of Russian national space agency Roscosmos, has offered to "check" whether the American moon landing program was not a hoax.
Speaking with Moldovan President Igor Dodon about the prospects of a moon base, Rogozin suggested that no country can bear the burden of a costly moon program alone.
When asked if American astronauts landed on the moon, Rogozin replied with a smile, "We have set a task to fly and see whether they were [on the Moon] or not."
"They say that they were, so we will check [it]."
This week, Roscosmos announced that it would pen a new, multibillion-rouble Moon exploration programme, which will see Russia send its first manned mission to the Moon after 2030. Roscosmos also said on Monday that it would work together with NASA on the concept of a lunar orbital station.
 
MHz
#20
Is this the way they will shut it down?? Why are they always in 'street clothes' rather than the white coveralls used in every place where contamination is caused by the human body shedding all sorts of used up parts such as skin and hair and spit/

https://sputniknews.com/science/2018...t-bugs-threat/

ISS Toilet Swarmed By 'Space Bugs' That Could Infect Astronauts - Research

Analysis has shown that all five strains of the mysterious bacterium found on the space station belonged to one species, called Enterobacter bugandensis. They resembled the genomes that infected newborn babies on our planet, raising concerns that they could also threaten the astronauts' health.

Astronauts on board the International Space Station are coexisting with a colony of "space bugs" which could pose a risk to future space missions, a new study has found.
According to researchers from the California Institute of Technology, who published their findings in journal BMC Microbiology, the orbiting outpost is home to five varieties of Enterobacter, a rod-shaped bacterium resembling infectious organisms that infected hospital patients, including newborns, in Africa and Northern America. The samples of the microbes were taken from a toilet and an exercise area on the space station.

"We revealed that genomes of the five ISS Enterobacter strains were genetically most similar to three strains newly found on Earth. These three strains belonged to one species of the bacteria, called Enterobacter bugandensis, which had been found to cause disease in neonates and a compromised patient, who were admitted to three different hospitals (in east Africa, Washington state and Colorado)," said Kasthuri Venkateswaran, a senior research scientist at the lab that commissioned the study.
The research team believes that the bacteria in their current form do not pose a threat to human health. However, they warn that the "space bugs" should be monitored as they could potentially pose a risk to future missions.


https://sputniknews.com/science/2018...tic-resistant/
Bacteria Likely to Soon Infect ISS Crew Found to Be Antibiotic-Resistant

Although the newly researched strains bear a striking similarity to ones typically found on Earth, specifically in intensive care units in hospitals, the discovery is a wake-up call given the no-gravity conditions of their habitat and the fact that these microorganisms are unresponsive to conventional antimicrobial agents.

JPL-NASA scientists have identified a highly unwelcome guest thriving on board the International Space station – strains of Enterobacter, and what’s most worrying is that these bacteria are highly resistant to antibiotics, a research paper published in the journal BMC Microbiology has it.
For the time being, the strains of Enterobacter found on the ISS have luckily been found to be not pathogenic to humans, but the mere fact of them having been spotted on the station, in the unique conditions of microgravity, at least a tad of space radiation and intensely increased carbon dioxide levels, could carry worrisome implications.
 
MHz
#21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNFsuLdCgBg
NASA InSight Mars Landing Fantasy Smashed



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzTpwu-5KkM&t=14835s
Apollo 11 Moon Landing Never Happened Moon Hoax Proof Full Documentary



That didn't take long.
 

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