The Apology and Teddy Bear Grief


Retired_Can_Soldier
+3
#1
I have been watching our PM on his apology circuits and I have to ask myself, "Why? Why is he apologizing?" Justin Trudeau may be guilty of a lot of things, but his government did not cause the injustices that have been inflicted on First Nations or any other demographic that has suffered injustices at the hands of our ignorant ancestors. I am not minimizing these injustices either. They were despicable acts, pulling children from their families, abusing them for their cultural beliefs and trying to indoctrinate them into a Christian based ideology.

If we are to move on from that, an acknowledgement of these injustices is certainly necessary. But an apology?

What does Justin Trudeau really know or feel about the injustices and ignorance of the officials who perpetrated these acts against these demographics? Does he have a connection? I don't think so. It's akin to me apologizing to African Americans or Canadians for slavery or racism. While I know these things existed and that there is a possibility that someone in my bloodline might have been involved in such acts, I haven't and I did not know the perpetrators.

I equate these apology tours to Teddy Bear Grief. You know the scene. Someone or a bunch of someones are killed in a senseless tragedy in which perfect strangers descend on the scene to share in the grief for a person they've never met in their life. There are candle light vigils and tears and of course teddy bears. I believe, and I know this is being cynical, that these individuals are doing so for their own reasons and have very little to do with reconciliation or community support. It's more about being a part of the story or laying claim to righting the story.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper was one of the first Canadian government officials to give an apology to First Nations regarding the injustices their people endured. And while I think an acknowledgement of those injustices was necessary, I find the apology that accompanied it rather hollow.

To truly apologize, we must understand what it is we are apologizing for and feel true remorse. How can we feel that if we were not the ones who were responsible? The present PM has been on an apology tour like no other PM before him, but at what point do the apologies become as hollow as the individual delivering it?

I would guess, and this is my cynicism again, that our Prime Minister will be digging up every demographic that needs an apology between now and the coming federal election. I also believe that his apologies are as empty as his excuses about SNC Lavalin.

Thoughts?
 
pgs
Free Thinker
+3
#2
Well for one the government of the day was doing the chiefs bidding by setting up a school system to teach the natives modern ways allowing them to participate in the modern world . Unfortunately a lot of bad came out of the residential school system . That bad has been magnified many times over and the good buried . The system set up was modeled after the British residential schools and was thought to be workable for Canadian natives . And they did work up to a point . Many natives went through these schools without the physical and sexual abuse that is said to have run rampant . The discipline was the same as public schools of the time I/e the strap . We all used to get that ..
 
Hoid
#3
My thoughts are that anyone who doesn't understand what the apology is for is probably too stupid to matter anyway.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

My thoughts are that anyone who doesn't understand what the apology is for is probably too stupid to matter anyway.

What apology specifically are you talking about ?
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
+2
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

What apology specifically are you talking about ?

He doesn't know or care. It's just another day of Hoid sucking Groper's virtual dick.
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
+2
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

My thoughts are that anyone who doesn't understand what the apology is for is probably too stupid to matter anyway.

Awww lookit the little racist pretending he cares because his ideological master pretends to care.
 
Hoid
#7
OH look, the white natty's need the group hug.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
+1
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

My thoughts are that anyone who doesn't understand what the apology is for is probably too stupid to matter anyway.


I'm sorry you're too ignorant to understand what the substance of a true apology is.
 
Hoid
#9
I'm sorry you have such trouble with simple things.

Life must be difficult.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
+4
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

I'm sorry you have such trouble with simple things.

Life must be difficult.

I am sure it is for you . All your favourite left leaning governments are in disarray . Marcon in France , Merkel in Germany , Trudeau in Canada , Democrats in America . Brexit appears to be happening . Is anything going right for your side ?
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
+2
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

I'm sorry you have such trouble with simple things.

It's not just RCS. The whole forum has trouble with you.
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
+2
#12
Notice how Hoid is willing to alter his principles based on what Groper does? Defends Groper's apology tour for native people but dog piles on JWR because she had the temerity to stand up for principles instead of Groper's attempted obstruction of justice.

So basically, Hoid does whatever Groper does. And these ALT-left morons actually think they're everyone's intellectual superior.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
+1
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

Notice how Hoid is willing to alter his principles based on what Groper does? Defends Groper's apology tour for native people but dog piles on JWR because she had the temerity to stand up for principles instead of Groper's attempted obstruction of justice.

So basically, Hoid does whatever Groper does. And these ALT-left morons actually think they're everyone's intellectual superior.


There's plenty of Kool Aid being drank on both sides of the political spectrum.

Down South the flavor is orange, up here it's red, but falling out of favor.


Come November it will probably be this color.
 
Hoid
#14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCpn1erz1y8

Here's Harper apologizing to First Nations over Residential Schools.

Is that a mystery to you as well?
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
+5
#15  Top Rated Post
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCpn1erz1y8
Here's Harper apologizing to First Nations over Residential Schools.
Is that a mystery to you as well?

Nope. The mystery would be why Groper felt the need to apologize for it AFTER Harper already did. Actually it's no mystery, it's all part of his Grand Apology and Virtue Signaling Tour. Empty platitudes and LOTS of emotional relativism.
I guess Harper's apology wasn't sincere or staged enough what with the lack of fake tears and shit.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier View Post

I have been watching our PM on his apology circuits and I have to ask myself, "Why? Why is he apologizing?" Justin Trudeau may be guilty of a lot of things, but his government did not cause the injustices that have been inflicted on First Nations or any other demographic that has suffered injustices at the hands of our ignorant ancestors. I am not minimizing these injustices either. They were despicable acts, pulling children from their families, abusing them for their cultural beliefs and trying to indoctrinate them into a Christian based ideology.
If we are to move on from that, an acknowledgement of these injustices is certainly necessary. But an apology?
What does Justin Trudeau really know or feel about the injustices and ignorance of the officials who perpetrated these acts against these demographics? Does he have a connection? I don't think so. It's akin to me apologizing to African Americans or Canadians for slavery or racism. While I know these things existed and that there is a possibility that someone in my bloodline might have been involved in such acts, I haven't and I did not know the perpetrators.
I equate these apology tours to Teddy Bear Grief. You know the scene. Someone or a bunch of someones are killed in a senseless tragedy in which perfect strangers descend on the scene to share in the grief for a person they've never met in their life. There are candle light vigils and tears and of course teddy bears. I believe, and I know this is being cynical, that these individuals are doing so for their own reasons and have very little to do with reconciliation or community support. It's more about being a part of the story or laying claim to righting the story.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper was one of the first Canadian government officials to give an apology to First Nations regarding the injustices their people endured. And while I think an acknowledgement of those injustices was necessary, I find the apology that accompanied it rather hollow.
To truly apologize, we must understand what it is we are apologizing for and feel true remorse. How can we feel that if we were not the ones who were responsible? The present PM has been on an apology tour like no other PM before him, but at what point do the apologies become as hollow as the individual delivering it?
I would guess, and this is my cynicism again, that our Prime Minister will be digging up every demographic that needs an apology between now and the coming federal election. I also believe that his apologies are as empty as his excuses about SNC Lavalin.
Thoughts?

I like it. "We can't really know how you feel, so we refuse to apologize."
 
Serryah
Free Thinker
+1
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier View Post

I have been watching our PM on his apology circuits and I have to ask myself, "Why? Why is he apologizing?" Justin Trudeau may be guilty of a lot of things, but his government did not cause the injustices that have been inflicted on First Nations or any other demographic that has suffered injustices at the hands of our ignorant ancestors. I am not minimizing these injustices either. They were despicable acts, pulling children from their families, abusing them for their cultural beliefs and trying to indoctrinate them into a Christian based ideology.

If we are to move on from that, an acknowledgement of these injustices is certainly necessary. But an apology?

What does Justin Trudeau really know or feel about the injustices and ignorance of the officials who perpetrated these acts against these demographics? Does he have a connection? I don't think so. It's akin to me apologizing to African Americans or Canadians for slavery or racism. While I know these things existed and that there is a possibility that someone in my bloodline might have been involved in such acts, I haven't and I did not know the perpetrators.

I equate these apology tours to Teddy Bear Grief. You know the scene. Someone or a bunch of someones are killed in a senseless tragedy in which perfect strangers descend on the scene to share in the grief for a person they've never met in their life. There are candle light vigils and tears and of course teddy bears. I believe, and I know this is being cynical, that these individuals are doing so for their own reasons and have very little to do with reconciliation or community support. It's more about being a part of the story or laying claim to righting the story.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper was one of the first Canadian government officials to give an apology to First Nations regarding the injustices their people endured. And while I think an acknowledgement of those injustices was necessary, I find the apology that accompanied it rather hollow.

To truly apologize, we must understand what it is we are apologizing for and feel true remorse. How can we feel that if we were not the ones who were responsible? The present PM has been on an apology tour like no other PM before him, but at what point do the apologies become as hollow as the individual delivering it?

I would guess, and this is my cynicism again, that our Prime Minister will be digging up every demographic that needs an apology between now and the coming federal election. I also believe that his apologies are as empty as his excuses about SNC Lavalin.

Thoughts?


I'll admit, a while ago I would have been supportive of the apology stuff. IMO to me, while it might seem not needed, I think it could say a lot to some that there is an apology out there at least for what happened. (Some; granted not all care about an apology and many will ignore it).

Apologies for things that happened don't really hurt, do they? And at least it can be said later that if the issue is pushed the fact there was an official apology by the Government, not just acknowledgement of the wrong of the situation, makes any protest less valid. I mean, that the government acknowledged things was okay, but no apology for what happened I can see would tick people off. This at least covers that "We deserve an apology" cry of outrage.

However... I also have to agree, at least now, that it does look like the PM is working the demographics to get more votes for the Liberals.

Do I think he means the apologies? Meh, I don't know to be honest.

Does it look bad? Considering things now, yeah.

Would it make me vote Liberal in the coming election? No. Right now I don't see anyone worth voting for in the election what so ever.
 
DaSleeper
+4
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCpn1erz1y8

Here's Harper apologizing to First Nations over Residential Schools.

Is that a mystery to you as well?

Since Harper already apologized "officially in parliament" why did Trudeau do it?
Photo opp?
Will Sheer have to do it?
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+3
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Since Harper already apologized "officially in parliament" why did Trudeau do it?
Photo opp?
Will Sheer have to do it?

An apology is only meaningful when done by a prog that wasn't there.
 
Hoid
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

Nope. The mystery would be why Groper felt the need to apologize for it AFTER Harper already did. Actually it's no mystery, .

This is just a shot in the dark but do you think its maybe because it had nothing to do with residential schools?
 
Tecumsehsbones
+2
#21
Personally, I've always preferred the truth.

I'd rather hear "We hate you," or "We don't really care about you one way or the other, we just wanted you out of our way, but some bullshit Christian conscience caused us to make a half-assed effort to reconcile your rights with our European laws."

At least it would be the truth.
 
Decapoda
+1
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

I'll admit, a while ago I would have been supportive of the apology stuff. IMO to me, while it might seem not needed, I think it could say a lot to some that there is an apology out there at least for what happened. (Some; granted not all care about an apology and many will ignore it).

Apologies for things that happened don't really hurt, do they?

They certainly do, apologies are a political bouncing ball that can never be caught and are constantly used to score political points against the group offering them.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by Decapoda View Post

They certainly do, apologies are a political bouncing ball that can never be caught and are constantly used to score political points against the group offering them.

You forgot to say "Like everything else."
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
+2
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

This is just a shot in the dark but do you think its maybe because it had nothing to do with residential schools?

Just a shot in the dark but the concept of context completely eludes you, doesn't it.
 
DaSleeper
+1
#25
Maybe Trudeau should apologize to the U S for August 24, 1814....
And offer to pay damages...
 
pgs
Free Thinker
+1
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Maybe Trudeau should apologize to the U S for August 24, 1814....
And offer to pay damages...

And tears .
 
Kreskin
+1
#27
Look at the timing of his most recent apology. Whatsherface, a First Nationer, testified about Lavalin just days before. This was as much about keeping his own reputation with FN.
 
Hoid
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

Just a shot in the dark but the concept of context completely eludes you, doesn't it.

lol context.

the context is a white natty yapping off about something he has no idea about.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#29
Canada is releasing a coin commemorating a myth : that homosexuality was decriminalized in 1969
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
+2
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Canada is releasing a coin commemorating a myth : that homosexuality was decriminalized in 1969

Interesting LINK. One of my Uncles was a part owner in one of those last Bathhouse raids in 2004. Awesome Guy!!

I'll be getting a few of those coins (my son collects weird coins, preferably with a high silver content but weird for the sake of weird is good all by itself). He has coins and bills out of Iraq from Saddam's era (His face was on everything) and out'a Nazi Germany (weird shit) & even 1000+yr old knife money out of what's now India.
 

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