Saudi Arabia expelling Canadian ambassador, suspending new trade


White_Unifier
+1
#241
Quote: Originally Posted by HarperCons View Post

communism

What kind of communism? You do realise don't you that myriad forms of communism could exist just like myriad forms of capitalism could exist too? Stalinist, Maoist, something else?
 
HarperCons
-1
#242
Communism is a system for the people, not for just the wealthy like capitalism.

If you care about humanity's survival you can not think Capitalism is the solution, even if you think Communism is not the answer also.
 
justducky
-1
#243
Quote: Originally Posted by HarperCons View Post

Communism is a system for the people, not for just the wealthy like capitalism.

If you care about humanity's survival you can not think Capitalism is the solution, even if you think Communism is not the answer also.

Communism failed everywhere. People are starving in North Korea unless they are the elite.
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
+1
#244
Quote: Originally Posted by HarperCons View Post

Communism is a system for the people, not for just the wealthy like capitalism.

If you care about humanity's survival you can not think Capitalism is the solution, even if you think Communism is not the answer also.

Maybe it is time to create a new system .....something that has people as its primary focus , is democratic ........perhaps a blend of the best of what current systems offer..Most current systems do have some positive attributes........so just extract them and combine them into something innovative.. Something that will encourage unity as posed to divisiveness.... and yet foster healthy debate. & independent thinking...where the underlying principles are based on humanitarianism. Where health care and education are available to everyone. An unhealthy or /and under educated population is a nations liability.Something grounded in reality ....yet forward thinking. Something where instant gratification does not rule. Seasoned wisdom does.
Last edited by Ocean Breeze; Aug 10th, 2018 at 08:39 PM..
 
HarperCons
#245
Quote: Originally Posted by justducky View Post

Communism failed everywhere. People are starving in North Korea unless they are the elite.

communism succeeded everywhere moron.

they don't get the CIA to shut down failing ideologies you stupid ****.
 
justducky
+1
#246
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

Maybe it is time to create a new system .....something that has people as its primary focus , is democratic ........perhaps a blend of the best of what current systems offer..Most current systems do have some positive attributes........so just extract them and combine them into something innovative.. Something that will encourage unity as posed to divisiveness.... and yet foster healthy debate. & independent thinking...where the underlying principles are based on humanitarianism. Where health care and education are available to everyone. An unhealthy or /and under educated population is a nations liability.Something grounded in reality ....yet forward thinking. Something where instant gratification does not rule. Seasoned wisdom does.

That sounds like a call to arms for liberals to put on our thinking caps. Don't let the right decide how everything should be (And fret about how they are going to get their hired security to stay on duty during the coming dystopia). Great post.
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#247
Quote: Originally Posted by HarperCons View Post

communism succeeded everywhere moron.

they don't get the CIA to shut down failing ideologies you stupid ****.

CIVILITY......PLEASE & thx
 
HarperCons
#248
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

CIVILITY......PLEASE & thx

smh liberals
 
justducky
#249
Quote: Originally Posted by HarperCons View Post

communism succeeded everywhere moron.

they don't get the CIA to shut down failing ideologies you stupid ****.

Communist countries failed because their people were poor and unhappy. That is why the communist leaders did not allow decent.
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
#250
Looks like the world has changed and our close allies forgot to tell Canada things are different. Certainly the europeans have chilled after Putin's aggression where Trump is like a labrador retriever with him. Not how it used to be. Diplomacy is being redone everywhere. Strongman states and the corrupt are pushing back and testing the world's boundaries. I wonder if they are all calling each other. Thanks to the US for stepping away from world leaderdership.

Previous collapses in diplonacy like this resulted in World Wars.
 
justducky
#251
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Looks like the world has changed and our close allies forgot to tell Canada things are different. Certainly the europeans have chilled after Putin's aggression where Trump is like a labrador retriever with him. Not how it used to be. Diplomacy is being redone everywhere. Strongman states and the corrupt are pushing back and testing the world's boundaries. I wonder if they are all calling each other. Thanks to the US for stepping away from world leaderdership.

Previous collapses in diplonacy like this resulted in World Wars.

I know. That is the worry when the US is weak on humanity and corruption.
Last edited by justducky; Aug 10th, 2018 at 10:41 PM..Reason: To change opportunity to corruption
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
+2
#252
Quote: Originally Posted by justducky View Post

I know. That is the worry when the US is weak on humanity and opportunity.

The US is just plain getting weaker. This is an empire coming the end of it's natural life span and the powers that will and are filling the vacuum are truly chilling. ...China, Russia, Iran ...
 
justducky
#253
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

The US is just plain getting weaker. This is an empire coming the end of it's natural life span and the powers that will and are filling the vacuum are truly chilling. ...China, Russia, Iran ...

The US is deep with talent. My niece is amazed at how bright the americans she has met in Washington are (she is working there this summer). The US will bounce back from this. They have to.
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
#254
Quote: Originally Posted by justducky View Post

The US is deep with talent. My niece is amazed at how bright the americans she has met in Washington are (she is working there this summer). The US will bounce back from this. They have to.

The hillbillies are in control, right now as they cyclically are.
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#255
Chilling indeed. How can this current CD-SA blip be resolved?? What is the least unpleasant option ??
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
#256
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

Chilling indeed. How can this current CD-SA blip be resolved?? What is the least unpleasant option ??

It sounds as if the Brits are calming the Saudis down and that not much of anything will happen.

It should be a wake-up call for us to finish a system of Canadian supplied oil coast-to-coast.

If the World had paid attention, they would have noticed that the Saudi Prince is a swaggering arrogant tosser who is capricious and unstable and MAYBE people like that are not the best choice as allies. Lunatics like Trump could care less but some of the smarter people around him might be alarmed at the outburst.
Last edited by Curious Cdn; Aug 10th, 2018 at 11:00 PM..
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#257
Quote: Originally Posted by justducky View Post

The US is deep with talent. My niece is amazed at how bright the americans she has met in Washington are (she is working there this summer). The US will bounce back from this. They have to.

Seems that it depends on what part of the US one is talking about. One side of my family lives state side. They are scattered. The ones in S.Carolina are as different as can be from the ones in Nebraska and seams with the one sin Texas and California. US population is much larger than CDA too.....Certain area draw certain intellectual prowess..
 
10larry
#258
Interesting discourse with no winner evident in this [alt]left vs right tug of war. To my way of thinking left right means diddly transnational mega corps write the script for political position holders to follow n' big business luv the rothchilds formula that has worked ever so well for them. Conservative estimates state 1% of us own at least half of the worlds wealth, call it what you wish but little people are not part of the equation.
Where justyn found the faux courage to chide money bag saudis escapes me.
 
justducky
+1
#259
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

Seems that it depends on what part of the US one is talking about. One side of my family lives state side. They are scattered. The ones in S.Carolina are as different as can be from the ones in Nebraska and seams with the one sin Texas and California. US population is much larger than CDA too.....Certain area draw certain intellectual prowess..

My niece is pretty smart. She told my sister that the Americans and others she had met in politics or non profits were just amazing people and very capable. Most of them in their 20s. For sure Washington would attract the best of the best, those interested in public service, and from the whole world. There is hope. The bench is deep. We need to hold onto that.

Quote: Originally Posted by 10larry View Post

Interesting discourse with no winner evident in this [alt]left vs right tug of war. To my way of thinking left right means diddly transnational mega corps write the script for political position holders to follow n' big business luv the rothchilds formula that has worked ever so well for them. Conservative estimates state 1% of us own at least half of the worlds wealth, call it what you wish but little people are not part of the equation.
Where justyn found the faux courage to chide money bag saudis escapes me.

What is the Rothchild thing? Oh and you can have nothing and be a somebody. You can have everything and be a big nothing. Your metrics are off.
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#260
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

It sounds as if the Brits are calming the Saudis down and that not much of anything will happen.

It should be a wake-up call for us to finish a system of Canadian supplied oil coast-to-coast.

If the World had paid attention, they would have noticed that the Saudi Prince is a swaggering arrogant tosser who is capricious and unstable and MAYBE people like that are not the best choice as allies. Lunatics like Trump could care less but some of the smarter people around him might be alarmed at the outburst.

Agree about the wake up call. Same for lessons to be learned.
I still think that stating policy positions on Twitter is foolhardy. Social media has its place........but .... not in the way it was used here. (IMHO) Given the state of things at the moment.......DISCRETION seems imperative.
seasoned advisers should be used as consultants to prevent such gaffs.
 
10larry
#261
Quote: Originally Posted by justducky View Post

My niece is pretty smart. She told my sister that the Americans and others she had met in politics or non profits were just amazing people and very capable. Most of them in their 20s. For sure Washington would attract the best of the best, those interested in public service, and from the whole world. There is hope. The bench is deep. We need to hold onto that.


What is the Rothchild thing? Oh and you can have nothing and be a somebody. You can have everything and be a big nothing. Your metrics are off.

Sorry misplaced s...... s/b rothschild
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
+5
#262
Here's the reality, it isn't capitalism or socialism that ****s things up. It's people.
 
White_Unifier
#263
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Looks like the world has changed and our close allies forgot to tell Canada things are different. Certainly the europeans have chilled after Putin's aggression where Trump is like a labrador retriever with him. Not how it used to be. Diplomacy is being redone everywhere. Strongman states and the corrupt are pushing back and testing the world's boundaries. I wonder if they are all calling each other. Thanks to the US for stepping away from world leaderdership.

Previous collapses in diplonacy like this resulted in World Wars.

We need to all go vegan, learn Esperanto, and celebrate World Religion Day on the third Sunday of January every year.

Oh yes, and ride a bicycle whenever you can, and abstain from drugs. Are you doing your part?
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
+1
#264
He has rug stains from riding bicycles...
 
EagleSmack
#265
Saudi Arabia rules out mediation with Canada over rights criticism, weighs new punitive steps


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...ism/933084002/




Man... The Liberal Government really stepped in it.
 
10larry
#266
Quote: Originally Posted by justducky View Post

<snip>

What is the Rothchild thing? Oh and you can have nothing and be a somebody. You can have everything and be a big nothing. Your metrics are off.

Oh and you can have nothing and be a somebody. You can have everything and be a big nothing. Your metrics are off.

Metricate for me plz....

I knew I saved a portrate of pet saluting joe n' jane average somewhere, took awhile to locate but I like sharing lib legacy.

 
captain morgan
No Party Affiliation
+2
#267
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post



Saudi - Canada row: One reason why Saudi Arabia holds ALL the power

SAUDI Arabia holds the cards in its ongoing row with Canada, with Ottawa potentially biting off more than it can chew.

You are quite incorrect...


Canada doesn't have a problem in terms of the oil they get from SA... EASTERN Canada has the problem.

... We have plenty here in Western Canada so not to worry


Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Saudi Arabia rules out mediation with Canada over rights criticism, weighs new punitive steps


OMG!!!

The Saudis are removing patients from Canadian hospitals and freeing up beds for the ROC?

What shall we ever do?
 
OpposingDigit
#268
There is some chatter that Saudi Arabia is retaliating because of this ....

Ottawa mosque loses charity status for promoting ‘hate and intolerance’
By Stewart Bell
August 09, 2018
https://globalnews.ca/news/4373959/o...te-intolerance
 
bill barilko
+1
#269
Too Bad, So Sad

‘We don’t have a single friend’: Canada’s Saudi spat reveals country is alone
As Saudi officials lashed out at Canada this week, the US remained on the sidelines, signaling a blatant shift in the relationship



Soon after Donald Trump took office, it became clear that the longstanding relationship between the United States and its northern neighbour was about to change: there were terse renegotiations of Nafta, thousands of asylum seekers walking across the shared border and attacks on against Canada’s protectionist trade policies.

A tweet, then a trade freeze: latest row shows Saudi Arabia is asserting new rules
Read more
But this week laid bare perhaps the most blatant shift in the relationship, as the United States said it would remain on the sidelines while Saudi officials lashed out at Canada over its call to release jailed civil rights activists.

“It’s up for the government of Saudi Arabia and the Canadians to work this out,” state department spokesperson Heather Nauert said this week. “Both sides need to diplomatically resolve this together. We can’t do it for them.”

Canada’s lonely stance was swiftly noticed north of the border. “We do not have a single friend in the whole entire world,” Rachel Curran, a policy director under former Canadian prime minister Stephen Harper, lamented on Twitter.

The United Kingdom was similarly muted in its response, noted Bob Rae, a former leader of the federal Liberal party. “The Brits and the Trumpians run for cover and say ‘we’re friends with both the Saudis and the Canadians,’” Rae wrote on Twitter. “Thanks for the support for human rights, guys, and we’ll remember this one for sure.”

The spat appeared to have been sparked last week when Canada’s foreign ministry expressed its concern over the arrest of Saudi civil society and women’s rights activists, in a tweet that echoed concerns previously voiced by the United Nations.

Saudi Arabia swiftly shot back, expelling Canada’s ambassador and suspending new trade and investment with Ottawa, making plans to remove thousands of Saudi students and medical patients from Canada, and suspending the state airline’s flights to and from Canada, among other actions.

Speaking to reporters in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia’s foreign minister urged Canada to “fix its big mistake” and warned that the kingdom was considering additional measures against Canada.

Analysts and regional officials said the spat had little to do with Canada, instead characterising Riyadh’s actions as a broader signal to western governments that any criticism of its domestic policies is unacceptable.

Several countries expressed support for Saudi Arabia, including Egypt and Russia. But Canada continued to stand alone, even as state-run media in the kingdom reported the beheading and “crucifixion” of a man convicted of killing a woman and carrying out other crimes.

Justin Trudeau, Canada’s prime minister, said Canada was continuing to engage diplomatically and politically with Saudi Arabia. “We have respect for their importance in the world and recognise that they have made progress on a number of important issues,” he told reporters this week.

He insisted, however, that his government would continue to press Saudi Arabia on its human rights record. “We will, at the same time, continue to speak clearly and firmly on issues of human rights at home and abroad wherever we see the need.”

In this particular dispute, Canada did not need US help, said Thomas Juneau, a professor at the University of Ottawa. “Saudi Arabia-Canada relations are very limited, so there’s not a lot of damage being done to Canada right now,” he said. “But this should be a source of major anxiety: when a real crisis comes and we are alone, what do we do?”


Saudi critics jab Canada on Twitter and TV as diplomatic feud deepens
Read more
The week’s events have added impetus to a conversation that is slowly getting underway in Canada, Juneau said. “We are starting some serious soul-searching in the sense of what does it mean for Canada to have a US that is much more unilateral, much more dismissive of the rules and the norms and of its leadership role in the international order that it has played for 70 years?”

These changes south of the border have clearly emboldened Saudi Arabia, Juneau argued, describing the kingdom’s recent actions in Yemen, Qatar and Lebanon as a pattern of aggressive, ambitious and reckless behaviour.

He saw no immediate end to the row, particularly as neither side is suffering significant costs in the dispute. Saudi Arabia has shown little inclination in recent years to walk back from its reckless and impulsive behaviour, he said, while Canada’s federal government – facing an election in some 14 months and already under fire for signing off on the sale of more than 900 armoured vehicles to Riyadh – is loathe to be seen adopting any kind of conciliatory posture towards the conservative kingdom.

While some in Canada had been disappointed to see the UK and Europe opt to publicly stay out of the diplomatic spat, Juneau described it as unsurprising. “When Saudi Arabia had comparable fights with Sweden and Germany in recent years, did Canada go out of its way to side with Sweden and Germany? No, not at all,” he said. “We stayed quiet because we had nothing to gain from getting involved. So on the European side, the calculation is the same.”

Canada’s lonely stand for women’s rights in the kingdom did earn the support of some around the world; this week saw the Guardian and the New York Times publish editorials urging Europe and the US to stand with Canada. So did the Washington Post, going one step further by publishing their editorial in Arabic.

Their call was echoed by a handful of prominent voices in the US, including Bernie Sanders. “It’s entirely legitimate for democratic governments to highlight human rights issues with undemocratic governments,” the US senator wrote on Twitter. “The US must be clear in condemning repression, especially when done by governments that receive our support.”
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
+1
#270
Logistically speaking......CDA created this firestorm. CDA has to deal with it.
Would we support a nation that made such a political gaff?

Mind you .....OTOH........if a tweet can create such a dust storm.......... then the world is in real trouble.. Over reacting to tweet (SOCIAL media).......as has happened speaks also of the one over reacting. Technically both parties can be blamed ........but the owneness is on CDA for sparking this . Twitter has it hazards and not a forum for making political statemented by people in power. THAT is just plain Stupidity Make your position IF appropriate..........in person or via professional channels.
Last edited by Ocean Breeze; Aug 11th, 2018 at 03:56 PM..