Day of the Lord, wrath and blessings


MHz
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Posted to show just how little the Jewish supporters here know about the Book and that not one aspect has been picked up by the Jews who are supposed to know more shit than anybody. It proves they know nothing about their own holy books.


Day of the Lord is a good example of why the book is by a single author and why the generation that is going to be effected by what is written about in the last book. With that in mind I’m going to work backwards through the book as the method being used in a general information type of document. The additional verses will stay on topic even if the references are scattered about.
Information is left out here yet that missing information is included in 2Th:2 when it says the truth (about what the Bible says about God) will fall to the ground (RCC Latin Bible was that event) and somebody must sit on a throne in Jerusalem and claim to be the God of the Bible. That is a future event but it answers the ‘what is withholding the return’ and the answer is that prophecy not being fulfilled is what is holding back the return rather than it being anything else that is promoted in a variety of false doctrines.
1Th:5:1:
But of the times and the seasons,
brethren,
ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th:5:2:
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th:5:3:
For when they shall say,
Peace and safety;
then sudden destruction cometh upon them,
as travail upon a woman with child;
and they shall not escape.

Peace and safety in Revelations is only during the 4 days that the two witnesses are dead in the streets of Jerusalem and that is the last 4 days of the period known as the 2nd woe. The 3 woes mentioned after 4 trumps have sounded are for the 5th trump (5 months of hell) and the 6th trump (37 months in which 1/3 of the people on the planet are killed). When the 2nd woe ends in Re:11 the 3rd woe starts and the beginning is provided but the full text is all of Re:11. The ‘thief in the night’ prophecy unfolds during a specific vial as it affects a named group. The kings alive at that time are not the 10 kings that are given kingdoms by the Beast from the Pit but the Church would have some citizens in those countries that would survive the vials and these are the kings being referenced as they walk to Jerusalem and the only water they touch is the one flowing in the new and improved Jordan River in Eze:47 as that is how they are glorified to be the same as Jesus was in the 40 days after he was glorified by God in the Re:4 temple. The 12 Tribes are there before the Church starts to arrive. The resurrections start after a 1260 day period. 30 days before that is the sealing of the 144,000 and the two witnesses and the first 4 trumps sound at the rate of 1 per day for 4 days. Daniel also promotes 1335 days and taking away the 1290 days would leave you the time it takes for the Gentiles who survived the 7 vials to walk to Jerusalem so they enter from the east. The heat from the fire that destroys Satan’s Babylon in one hour is how the rivers are dried up.
The 10 kings the Beast appoints are probably all dead by the end of the 1st vial.

Re:16:12-16:
And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates;
and the water thereof was dried up,
that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon,
and out of the mouth of the beast,
and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles,
which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world,
to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Behold,
I come as a thief.
Blessed is he that watcheth,
and keepeth his garments,
lest he walk naked,
and they see his shame.
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

From the information in the Bible we are given the knowledge about a deception before the actual return. People without that knowledge would not be looking for a deception let alone the other ungodly acts that will be going on.

1Th:5:4:
But ye,
brethren,
are not in darkness,
that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Th:5:5:
Ye are all the children of light,
and the children of the day:
we are not of the night,
nor of darkness.

1Co:11:34:
And if any man hunger,
let him eat at home;
that ye come not together unto condemnation.
And the rest will I set in order when I come.

Lu:24:27:
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets,
he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

If you read and summarize the NT it would fit that one verse, what Paul was saying is a small scale version of what Jesus had mentioned during the Gospels. To get the best view a 2nd verse is used as justification to refer to prophecies in the OT. All 12 books after Daniel refer only to the 1st day of the 1,000 year reign.
The prophecy about Elias must come before wrath from God can occur is tossed around a lot. Take the text from the Bible and Job:14 mentions God’s wrath and that is the GWT event as the 1,000 year reign was not introduced in the last book of Scripture was revealed to man. The vision of Christ, Moses and Elias has a fulfillment days as being the last few hours of the same day that Christ resurrects the two witnesses and then sends all sinners to their appointed places. Men go to hell where they can looked on a chained up Satan for 1,000 years Isaiah:14), fallen angels that have already been in the PIT are sent to the fiery lake and any fallen angels who have not been to the PIT are sent there. Satan is the only new one in the PIT and the wrath of God at the end of the 1,000 years does to the planet what happened to Satan’s Babylon. The 144,000 are on that same mountain top when they witness the resurrection of the two witnesses and quite possible event from the very start of that same day. The resurrection, 1 hr pause, 2 hours fire like Sodom experienced, ˝ hour pause, resurrection in place of the whole House of Israel as defined in Eze:37. Jesus as at the north end of the Sea of Galilee 6 days before that so it is in the same area. Moses and Elias will be standing on holy ground and having passed their 1,000th birthday they will be able to withstand fire from God in Heaven that consumes the whole earth. That is why only the garden area is restored to garden like status. The Church will roam around the nations rebuilding the cities that angels built before their fall, a task they will do many, many times once the new earth verses. Zec:14 will be repeated 1,000 times and then the end will come.

The grave has two parts, you have to physically die to enter either part. Prior to the day of the return being dead and still awake has had Jonah and Jesus each visit the place for 1 week total. The 2/3 of the planet that misses taking part of the feast of the tabernacles in Zec:14 are awake and in hell, behind a locked gate to make sure they are still there after Satan and the other fallen angels have been released so they can be sent to the fiery lake.

The OT is the best authority on what the sleeping grave is and Isaiah:65 shows the ones sent there do have a future with God once the new earth verses have began to unfold. The beggar Lazarus and the rich man is a prophecy rather than it being a parable or story or whatever. Hell is open as soon as Jesus has the keys and for the 12 Tribes safety for some means no safety for others and the 144,000 are the only ones to see the return, the other members are part of a mass resurrection that fits the ‘died for the word of God0 part of Re:20:4.
Eze:39 explains why as well as what the first 7 years will be like. It is a massive cleanup followed by the gathering of the bones that belonged to the 200M angelic horsemen which takes another 7 months.

Ge:2:7:
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul.

Ec:3:20:
All go unto one place;
all are of the dust,
and all turn to dust again.

Ec:12:7:
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Ec:9:10:
Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do,
do it with thy might;
for there is no work,
nor device,
nor knowledge,
nor wisdom,
in the grave,
whither thou goest.

Job:14:12-17:
So man lieth down,
and riseth not:
till the heavens be no more,
they shall not awake,
nor be raised out of their sleep.
O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave,
that thou wouldest keep me secret,
until thy wrath be past,
that thou wouldest appoint me a set time,
and remember me!
If a man die,
shall he live again?
all the days of my appointed time will I wait,
till my change come.
Thou shalt call,
and I will answer thee:
thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.
For now thou numberest my steps:
dost thou not watch over my sin?
My transgression is sealed up in a bag,
and thou sewest up mine iniquity.

Zec:13:8:
And it shall come to pass,
that in all the land,
saith the LORD,
two parts therein shall be cut off and die;
but the third shall be left therein.
Zec:13:9:
And I will bring the third part through the fire,
and will refine them as silver is refined,
and will try them as gold is tried:
they shall call on my name,
and I will hear them:
I will say,
It is my people:
and they shall say,
The LORD is my God.

Zec:14:16:
And it shall come to pass,
that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King,
the LORD of hosts,
and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

1Th:5:6-9:
Therefore let us not sleep,
as do others;
but let us watch and be sober.
For they that sleep sleep in the night;
and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
But let us, who are of the day,
be sober,
putting on the breastplate of faith and love;
and for an helmet,
the hope of salvation.
For God hath not appointed us to wrath,
but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Since 1/3 of all Gentiles are destined to live through the 7 vials on the whole planet (as well as the 12 Tribes from Eze:37) these would represent repented Gentiles who have come to God through the fulfillment of this prophecy.

De:4:26-31:
I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day,
that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it;
ye shall not prolong your days upon it,
but shall utterly be destroyed.
And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations,
and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen,
whither the LORD shall lead you.
And there ye shall serve gods,
the work of men's hands,
wood and stone,
which neither see,
nor hear,
nor eat,
nor smell.
But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God,
thou shalt find him,
if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
(For the LORD thy God is a merciful God
he will not forsake thee,
neither destroy thee,
nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

Since a lot will die as a result of the 3 woes this might be a reminder that He also went to the grave, because of His love for God and that made the sacrifice ‘bearable’.

M't:26:39:
And he went a little further,
and fell on his face,
and prayed,
saying,
O my Father,
if it be possible,
let this cup pass from me:
nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

M't:26:42:
He went away again the second time,
and prayed,
saying,
O my Father,
if this cup may not pass away from me,
except I drink it,
thy will be done.

1Th:5:10:
Who died for us,
that,
whether we wake or sleep,
we should live together with him.
1Th:5:11:
Wherefore comfort yourselves together,
and edify one another,
even as also ye do.

Peter’s reference to ungodly men is specifically the 200M horsemen that 4 fallen angels manifest into. That term is also used in the Book of Jude. It was the replacement for the Book of Enoch. The time during the time of Adam was based on how time will be told from the start of the 1,000 year reign. When God told Adam he would die the same day he ate He was correct even though Adam lived until he was 930 years old that was 70 years less than 1 full day. Moses was the one that brought in the time change that God imposed in Ge:6 as being 120 years and then the breath of life would leave them.
The 1,000 years for a day would have been the Law Angelic beings were under since their creation at the start of day 1 in Ge:1. That time of dating lasted until the last giant died. Goliath type of giant and the 12 Commandments became the planetary law. It also means Ge:3:15 was given in angelic time but fulfilled in man’s version of time. The verse in Isaiah:65 means when a baby is born they are called infants for the first 20 years of their life. The term infant dies and the person is called a child of God for the next 100 years and on their 120th birthday God bestows immortality on them. Adam and Eve were eternal beings and they needed food and water to remain alive. Immortals like the ‘sons of God’ were created immortal beings. The 200M are 4 the combined strength of 4 angelic beings, basically equal to 50M horsepower in terms we can relate to.

In a somewhat related topic the time of the Gentiles was written during a time that the power of God was something visible. Let’s assume the writer of Revelations died just after and they were the last oft be able to do any of the ‘signs following’ that was standard back in the day. The two witnesses will be when the transition goes back physical proof being possible. If the book is the only gathering tool so the acts in the OT have to be hidden from history. The flood is a great example of that. The conditions in the promised land are supposed to be a return to the conditions the original garden had Eze:47 gives the dimensions of a river that is said to be enough to make the Dead Sea a body of fresh water again. The flow rate could be arrived at by taking the whole of the watershed area of the River Jordan into drops per sq meter level. The danger is that would be similar to the whole desert belt if ice-age weather came back. Sumeria would be Summer, the place that is warm 24/7/265. Working on time immortals relate to the flood didn’t not take 360 days (and a bit) but the number should be 360,000 solar years, the time of a major ice age.
One thing about the flood story is the amount of water needed should be based on 22.5ft of rain on the dry land areas and the water needed would lower the oceans about 5 ft. The rain that hell on the high hills and mountains would have fallen as snow and that is why it took 150 days (150,000 years) after the 40 days of rain (40,000 years) stopped before the rocks could be seen again.

Noah’s version could also include the known world back then, the garden area. God brought a sampling of flesh to Adam to be named and no record any went home and only the one God killed is not an extermination type of even. Having 5 fingered people down to 5 people is getting pretty close and that is why God caused the flood in the first place. The ones that dies are daughters of Eve so God also restores them to life at the GWT event, they are the ones the Seas give up.

All prophecy given has to unfold in the manner given in the book. It is grand enough that man cannot complete the many tasks. Universal salvation and literal fulfillment are two cornerstones that the book upholds all the way through.

1Co:4:20:
For the kingdom of God is not in word,
but in power.

Isa:55:11:
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth:
it shall not return unto me void,
but it shall accomplish that which I please,
and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Jer:4:28:
For this shall the earth mourn,
and the heavens above be black:
because I have spoken it,
I have purposed it,
and will not repent,
neither will I turn back from it.

Mankind is judged in a few hours on the day Christ claims the earth as again belonging to the kingdom of God. In the 1,000 years that follow they are taught what the fallen ones know and they survive the fire that sends the fallen ones to the fiery lake. God os a graveyard in the holy land and Magog is a smoking hole in the promised land until the judgment comes. That same fire is used to end this earth and the 3rd heaven location of the Great White Throne is used to end the current location of God in Heaven. The new earth thjat follows will be our whole universe, ne heaven for the Holy Angels is the City of God and the Temple where the GWT sits is only one building in that same city.

2Pe:3:7:
But the heavens and the earth,
which are now,
by the same word are kept in store,
reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2Pe:3:8:
But,
beloved,
be not ignorant of this one thing,
that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years,
and a thousand years as one day.
2Pe:3:9:
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise,
as some men count slackness;
but is longsuffering to us-ward,
not willing that any should perish,
but that all should come to repentance.

The verse saying the men sent to hell mock Satan shown all men repent. The last ones mentioned in Re:7 are the same ones sent to hell at the end of Re:19. All of Hebrews:12 is related to the GWT event only, it is a day of chastisement and forgiveness rather than an increase in the level of punishment. The verses after this show they are alive and doing fine in the new earth era.

Re:19:21:
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse,
which sword proceeded out of his mouth:
and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Isa:65:12-15:
Therefore will I number you to the sword,
and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter:
because when I called,
ye did not answer;
when I spake,
ye did not hear;
but did evil before mine eyes,
and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD,
Behold,
my servants shall eat,
but ye shall be hungry:
behold,
my servants shall drink,
but ye shall be thirsty:
behold,
my servants shall rejoice,
but ye shall be ashamed:
Behold,
my servants shall sing for joy of heart,
but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart,
and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen:
for the Lord GOD shall slay thee,
and call his servants by another name:

2Pe:3:10:
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night;
in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise,
and the elements shall melt with fervent heat,
the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe:3:11:
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved,
what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

The population that is alive on the 1st day of the 1,000 year reign will be at the last feast of the tabernacles when Satan is released. They all survive Satan tricks as they are holy enough to be Shepherds to the rest of mankind that is about to be resurrected at the GWT even and the new earth starts after that. The 24 Elders (husbands and former wives are OT saints and they will sit on thrones for the 1,000 years, the ones that hear them will sit on thrones when the new earth verses start.)

2Pe:3:12-14:
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God,
wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved,
and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Nevertheless we,
according to his promise,
look for new heavens and a new earth,
wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Wherefore,
beloved,
seeing that ye look for such things,
be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace,
without spot,
and blameless.

M't:22:30:
For in the resurrection they neither marry,
nor are given in marriage,
but are as the angels of God in heaven.

New Jerusalem is their home in the new earth, by being shepherds and not having children they can never outgrow the City. At the age of 120 years the ones outside the city gain immortality and they also no longer have children. The 100 children they do have are born between the time they are 20 and 120.

2Co:1:14:
As also ye have acknowledged us in part,
that we are your rejoicing,
even as ye also are ours in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Acts:10 was written 3 ˝ years after the cross and it marked the end of the 70 weeks in full. The 70 weeks marked the end of the bruise to the heel from Ge:3:15 in full. What was given to the Gentiles starting in Acts:10 was also given to the Jews as part of the teaching that was related to the bruise to the head of the serpent. It is quite possible that Saul was chosen as he fit the terms in De:4:30 that had an earnest believer praying in the latter days. The Lord’s Prayer in Luke is text written for the ‘latter days’. Ac:10:17-20: Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate, And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there. While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee. Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them. The chapter this comes from is a warning to Christians that associating with a known sinner will bring the same punishment to them as the sinner gets. The distance required by God is not eating with them. The soul of the sinner is accomplished by sending them to the grave. That washes away all sin, that is why God sees them as being spotless at the GWT event.
1Co:5:5:
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh,
that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Re:7:9-17:
After this I beheld,
and,
lo,
a great multitude,
which no man could number,
of all nations,
and kindreds,
and people,
and tongues,
stood before the throne,
and before the Lamb,
clothed with white robes,
and palms in their hands;
And cried with a loud voice,
saying,
Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne,
and unto the Lamb.
And all the angels stood round about the throne,
and about the elders and the four beasts,
and fell before the throne on their faces,
and worshipped God,
Saying,
Amen:
Blessing,
and glory,
and wisdom,
and thanksgiving,
and honour,
and power,
and might,
be unto our God for ever and ever.
Amen.
And one of the elders answered,
saying unto me,
What are these which are arrayed in white robes?
and whence came they?
And I said unto him,
Sir,
thou knowest.
And he said to me,
These are they which came out of great tribulation,
and have washed their robes,
and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Therefore are they before the throne of God,
and serve him day and night in his temple:
and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
They shall hunger no more,
neither thirst any more;
neither shall the sun light on them,
nor any heat.
For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them,
and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters:
and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

The judgement of the Nations is the important even for people alive during the last 3 woes. The wrath comes with the return is limited as not angels are in the fiery lake, only a handful are

Ac:2:20:
The sun shall be turned into darkness,
and the moon into blood,
before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

M't:26:56:
But all this was done,
that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled.
Then all the disciples forsook him,
and fled.

Zec:13:7:
Awake,
O sword,
against my shepherd,
and against the man that is my fellow,
saith the LORD of hosts:
smite the shepherd,
and the sheep shall be scattered:
and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

M't:25:31-33:
When the Son of man shall come in his glory,
and all the holy angels with him,
then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
And before him shall be gathered all nations:
and he shall separate them one from another,
as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
And he shall set the sheep on his right hand,
but the goats on the left.

There are 4 more parts to the 'Day of the Lord' series,
I don't see why they would need to be posted as this alone will mess every poster here up to the point the troll will even look more stupid than usual.
Last edited by MHz; Jul 25th, 2017 at 01:47 PM..
 
Johnnny
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The power of Christ compels this wall of text!!!
 
MHz
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There are 4 parts missing that are each as long. Thanks for confirming that only trolls visit theology based threads.
 
Johnnny
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Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

There are 4 parts missing that are each as long. Thanks for confirming that only trolls visit theology based threads.

Iam the ascended divinity and saviour of humanity. Your heresy will be punished.
 
selfsame
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Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Posted to show just how little the Jewish supporters here know about the Book and that not one aspect has been picked up by the Jews who are supposed to know more shit than anybody. It proves they know nothing about their own holy books.

You are like one beating the dead; such people who opposed their own Prophet Moses and stood against Jesus Christ, will not respond to God's words but only to suggestions of Satan.

The available example is this post of this Zionist:
Quote: Originally Posted by Johnnny View Post

Iam the ascended divinity and saviour of humanity. Your heresy will be punished.

 
B00Mer
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You're going to hell MHz

 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Posted to show just how little the Jewish supporters here know about the Book and that not one aspect has been picked up by the Jews who are supposed to know more shit than anybody. It proves they know nothing about their own holy books.





Jewish supporters? Like selfsame?

 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by selfsame View Post

You are like one beating the dead; such people who opposed their own Prophet Moses and stood against Jesus Christ, will not respond to God's words but only to suggestions of Satan.

Pretty much.

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny View Post


Jewish supporters? Like selfsame?

That would be more like a Jewish supporter after they have been gathered by God. This is the before the gathering in case you are wondering. They are not on God's good list but knock yourself out and you can enjoy the same path God has in store for them. Do you know what it means when God turns His back on you when tribulation is all around? It is a skill testing question so think hard.
 
lone wolf
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny View Post

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Jewish supporters? Like selfsame?

Is that anythihg like an athletic supporter
 
DaSleeper
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Anyone actually read the OP?......"The fool's rambling"
 
Murphy
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I wouldn't call Mhz a fool. I believe that he's suffering from a diminished mental capacity, and like some others who post here, should seek medical treatment. Some of the episodes might be the result of prescription drugs, so pity him.

But, to lighten the mood before the bombs fall, here's Elton John from 46 years ago (wow, it has been that long!), singing "Levon". This is a video from a BBC special, made in 1971.

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TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Pretty much.

That would be more like a Jewish supporter after they have been gathered by God. This is the before the gathering in case you are wondering. They are not on God's good list but knock yourself out and you can enjoy the same path God has in store for them. Do you know what it means when God turns His back on you when tribulation is all around? It is a skill testing question so think hard. T]

I know exactly what it means. Nothing whatsoever.
 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Anyone actually read the OP?......"The fool's rambling"

Clue us in on your IQ in that you didn't even get this far, which is the first line dipshit.
"Posted to show just how little the Jewish supporters here know about the Book and that not one aspect has been picked up by the Jews who are supposed to know more shit than anybody. It proves they know nothing about their own holy books."

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny View Post

I know exactly what it means. Nothing whatsoever.

You should learn not to contradict the book as it makes you look as stupid as you really are.

Isa:54:7:
For a small moment have I forsaken thee;
but with great mercies will I gather thee.
Isa:54:8:
In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment;
but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee,
saith the LORD thy Redeemer.

Eze:39:23:
And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity:
because they trespassed against me,
therefore hid I my face from them,
and gave them into the hand of their enemies:
so fell they all by the sword.

I'll even clue you into the trespasses they did.


M't:23:13-39:
But woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
hypocrites!
for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men:
for ye neither go in yourselves,
neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees,
hypocrites!
for ye devour widows' houses,
and for a pretence make long prayer:
therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees,
hypocrites!
for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte,
and when he is made,
ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Woe unto you,
ye blind guides,
which say,
Whosoever shall swear by the temple,
it is nothing;
but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple,
he is a debtor!
Ye fools and blind:
for whether is greater,
the gold,
or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
And,
Whosoever shall swear by the altar,
it is nothing;
but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it,
he is guilty.
Ye fools and blind:
for whether is greater,
the gift,
or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar,
sweareth by it,
and by all things thereon.
And whoso shall swear by the temple,
sweareth by it,
and by him that dwelleth therein.
And he that shall swear by heaven,
sweareth by the throne of God,
and by him that sitteth thereon.
Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
hypocrites!
for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin,
and have omitted the weightier matters of the law,
judgment,
mercy,
and faith:
these ought ye to have done,
and not to leave the other undone.
Ye blind guides,
which strain at a gnat,
and swallow a camel.
Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
hypocrites!
for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter,
but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Thou blind Pharisee,
cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter,
that the outside of them may be clean also.
Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
hypocrites!
for ye are like unto whited sepulchres,
which indeed appear beautiful outward,
but are within full of dead men's bones,
and of all uncleanness.
Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men,
but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
hypocrites!
because ye build the tombs of the prophets,
and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
And say,
If we had been in the days of our fathers,
we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves,
that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
Ye serpents,
ye generation of vipers,
how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Wherefore,
behold,
I send unto you prophets,
and wise men,
and scribes:
and some of them ye shall kill and crucify;
and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues,
and persecute them from city to city:
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth,
from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias,
whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Verily I say unto you,
All these things shall come upon this generation.
O Jerusalem,
Jerusalem,
thou that killest the prophets,
and stonest them which are sent unto thee,
how often would I have gathered thy children together,
even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings,
and ye would not!
Behold,
your house is left unto you desolate.
For I say unto you,
Ye shall not see me henceforth,
till ye shall say,
Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
 
DaSleeper
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#14
Megahurtz= Selshame of the west!

On sewer gas instead of camel dung!
 
Murphy
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#15
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Megahurtz= Selshame of the west!

On sewer gas instead of camel dung!

Perhaps Mhz is selfsame and spilledthebeer too. Multiple IDs on CC seem to be a more of a problem now.

I say that because each posts long, rambling, and often nonsensical responses. I did not include Cliffy because his posts seem to be visually structured. He is probably a visual learner. IOW, he prefers pictures because the written language is likely harder for him to comprehend.

What Mhz/selfsame/spilledthebeer fail to realize is that most of their posts are ignored because they are too long winded.

Say more. Speak less.
 
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#16
Sorry, what was that, I drifted off to sleep. You perhaps missed the first sentence that suggested nobody here was capable of reading more than 10 words at a time. Thanx for supporting that notion is the best way possible, a living example. Posted it on Godlike just for fun, banned in 30 seconds. Damn, now I'll have to pay the $10 to post the whole series in over the next month.
 
Murphy
#17
What you posted was long and rambling, but you do that a lot. I doubt that it surprised anyone, given your history here. Because people do not like to read confused, petulant posts, I suggest that, in the future, you get to the point. Should you wish to continue posting long articles, warn potential readers at the start.

I've read and marked thousands of papers by students attempting to sound like they knew their subject. For some reason, they felt that by adding more words to an essay, they would appear more knowledgeable. It doesn't work that way and never has.

Now the nasty part: You failed to make your point, yet again. You missed the mark. You fell short. You stumbled. You dropped the ball. You missed the target. You lost.

Say more. Speak less.
 
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#18
In light of the context of this verse the appearance of Elias in the flesh will have taken place as the first event after Christ has killed all sinners on the earth, angelic as well as from mankind.
I’m pretty sure that today is the first time that concept has been put forward

Mal:4:1:
For,
behold,
the day cometh,
that shall burn as an oven;
and all the proud,
yea,
and all that do wickedly,
shall be stubble:
and the day that cometh shall burn them up,
saith the LORD of hosts,
that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

The verse above is referring to the wrath at the end of the 1,000 year reign and fallen angels are the that are experiencing the fire rather than it being the men that are killed in the wrath part that comes first. Parts are left when Christ kills 2/3 of all Gentiles alive, even when the 200M angelic horsemen are killed there are bones left that are gathered and buried in a specific place for the duration of the 1,000 year reign. Men that die do not have their bones gathered and buried in that graveyard so they do not suffers the fate that awaits the 4 fallen angels.
It is at the end of Revelations that a 2nd Babylon is revealed so all the OT prophecy should be examined with that thought in mine. Minimal damage and a remnant left compared to total extinction and not even chaff is left . The people killed at the start are followers rather than leaders so are punished less.
The passage this verse comes from start with the last 3 verses from Zec:13

Zec:14:12:
And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem;
Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet,
and their eyes shall consume away in their holes,
and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

If that same timeframe is kept the understanding of the verses would be as follows. The ones in fear is the whole of the 144,000 that are the remnant of the 12 Tribes and the 1/3 of the living Gentiles that survive the 7 vials experience a time of growth and understanding that qualifies them as being ‘Saint’ by the time Satan is released. The 12 tribes are a whole people on the 1st day the resurrection can start and the Gentiles only become a whole people at the end of the Great White Throne event.

Mal:4:2:
But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings;
and ye shall go forth,
and grow up as calves of the stall.

The sinners that die on the same day the resurrection takes place are alive and in the grave. They would be the rich man in the prophecy that also has the beggar Lazarus asleep.

Mal:4:3:
And ye shall tread down the wicked;
for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this,
saith the LORD of hosts.

Mal:4:4-5:
Remember ye the law of Moses my servant,
which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel,
with the statutes and judgments.
Behold,
I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children,
and the heart of the children to their fathers,
lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

He was alive in the OT and that was his mission, starting on the 1st day of the 1,000 year reign he will be alive again. Being one of the 40 Scribes that God used he has an advantage over most people that will also be alive on that same day. The 24 Elders are picked from mankind and that Temple was open for business when the Luke:21:24 was fulfilled in 70AD. Some OT Saints were resurrected on the same morning that Jesus was and they would have ascended to that temple and they stayed there and only Jesus came back for 40 days. (to help the ones baptized with the Holy Spirit go through the same 40 days purification that Jesus went through after John baptized Jesus in the River Jordan) The 24 Elders are promised thrones as they are the smartest and considering Satan release is the next big event the way things were before the flood of water would prepare the people so they see through the lies.
Moses and Elias and many more will be ahead of the Gentiles gathered by reading a book and as such they are instructors as well as being students themselves as there is a lot to lean in that time that will qualify them as being able to act as shepherds to the people that only come alive at the Great White Throne. The new earth will look just like the garden area did before the mist is let in and because all flesh that had life on this version of God’s earth will have that same life restored in the new earth. The model is the fresh water fish in the former Dead Sea verses in Eze:47 only the new earth is much larger and permanent.

Eze:47:8:
Then said he unto me,
These waters issue out toward the east country,
and go down into the desert,
and go into the sea:
which being brought forth into the sea,
the waters shall be healed.
Eze:47:9:
And it shall come to pass,
that every thing that liveth,
which moveth,
whithersoever the rivers shall come,
shall live:
and there shall be a very great multitude of fish,
because these waters shall come thither:
for they shall be healed;
and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.

Zec:14:1:
Behold,
the day of the LORD cometh,
and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

Long enough that it should be the next part, this one is short but somewhat important as far as making sure all options make it to the table.
 
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#19
Longish so there won't be any real feedback which is quite fine by me considering the quality of said feedback so far. It is still the best literalist explanation you will find.



This passage is a good overview of the 1,000 year reign. The identity of the ‘little ones’ is they are the Gentiles that come under the vials on the day the 7th trump sounds. The earth quake that kills 7,000 people is the start of the wrath that is the vials. It lasts only a few hours and in the next few hours after the resurrection that fulfills the Re:20:4 verse is completed.

Re:11:11-19:
And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them,
and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them,
Come up hither.
And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud;
and their enemies beheld them.
And the same hour was there a great earthquake,
and the tenth part of the city fell,
and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand:
and the remnant were affrighted,
and gave glory to the God of heaven.
The second woe is past;
and,
behold,
the third woe cometh quickly.
the seventh angel sounded;
and there were great voices in heaven,
saying,
The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord,
and of his Christ;
and he shall reign for ever and ever.
And the four and twenty elders,
which sat before God on their seats,
fell upon their faces,
and worshipped God,
Saying,
We give thee thanks,
O Lord God Almighty,
which art,
and wast,
and art to come;
because thou hast taken to thee thy great power,
and hast reigned.
And the nations were angry,
and thy wrath is come,
and the time of the dead,
that they should be judged,
and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets,
and to the saints,
and them that fear thy name,
small and great;
and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
And the temple of God was opened in heaven,
and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament:
and there were lightnings,
and voices,
and thunderings,
and an earthquake,
and great hail.

The prophecy below was fulfilled when the Apostles fled when Jesus was being arrested in the garden, by 3PM the same day He had died on the cross. 3 ˝ years later the 70th ended and the Gospel was then taken to the Gentiles in Acts:10. At their judgment the 1/3 that remain alive are joined by the rest of the Church that has went to the grave since Acts:10 took place.

Re:20:4:
And I saw thrones,
and they sat upon them,
and judgment was given unto them:
and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,
and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast,
neither his image,
neither had received his mark upon their foreheads,
or in their hands;
and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The 24 Elders would be the ones sitting on thrones for the 1,000 year reign and then judgment would be a reference to teaching the people that are without thrones. The people killed for the word of Christ would be the ones who died after Acts:10, Stephen was killed before that so his death is related to a different prophecy.(Beheaded) for the word of god has a larger meaning as it covers deaths associated with determinations made by God. The best examples are the deaths during the exodus wars and the places that had children taken who eventually married somebody in the 12 tribes. Those places will be joined to the 12 Tribes based on them being joined to the daughters that were taken. Pharaoh has his heart hardened so all the plagues would be fulfilled so he and the rest that died will also be resurrected. The verse below also shows that the 12 Tribes are also affected by God’s spoken word.

Eze:39:23-29:
And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity:
because they trespassed against me,
therefore hid I my face from them,
and gave them into the hand of their enemies:
so fell they all by the sword.
According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them,
and hid my face from them.
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD;
Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob,
and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel,
and will be jealous for my holy name;
After that they have borne their shame,
and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me,
when they dwelt safely in their land,
and none made them afraid.
When I have brought them again from the people,
and gathered them out of their enemies' lands,
and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God,
which cause them to be led into captivity among the heathen:
but I have gathered them unto their own land,
and have left none of them any more there.
Neither will I hide my face any more from them:
for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel,
saith the Lord GOD.

Zec:13:7-9:
Awake,
O sword,
against my shepherd,
and against the man that is my fellow,
saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones. And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. The verses above are the start of the passage and it is referencing Gentiles on the day the 7th trump sounds and the fire is referencing all 7 vials in Re:16. Wrath is followed by the resurrection of the ‘righteous’ as defined in Re:20:4. The 12 Tribes are made whole and the Gentiles have the Church as a remnant of the whole. They become whole at the GWT event. The 12 Tribes represent the ones who will call New Jerusalem home in the new earth era. It will be the both groups that are in the 1,000 years playing the same role they practiced 1,000 times as that is the sign of perfection, apparently. Re:18:8: Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. The ones ‘blessed’ have it considerably better both in the training period and when it is a lifelong task. Re:10:7-11: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth. And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings. Da:11 is another chapter where the passage spills over onto the next page. The last verse is referencing Satan sitting on a throne on holy ground in Jerusalem as in 2Thess:2. The vials are what they need help from and right after that is the resurrection and the books are the very same. The rest of the names are read out by God Himself at the Great White Throne event. Da:11:45: And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. Da:12:1-3: And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. Zec:14:1-3: Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. The time-frame for the above is 3 ˝ years for the planet except for Jerusalem. God allows Satan to have control of Jerusalem for the time they are in the grave and on the same day they are resurrected is the day of the battle and the win and the resurrection of the ones listed in Re:20:4 is completed in the next few hours. If the sinners die in place at ‘random’ the resurrection of the sleeping Church should have then be in the same location that they died. In the same form Jesus was in on the morning of his resurrection, glorification would take place at the river in Eze:47. That water and the rain that leads the church around the globe during the 1,000 years is the only water around for the 1,000 years. When the oceans are made to be like the blood of a dead-man it means it is a solid rather than a liquid. That is part of this topic. Zec:14:4: And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. That is part of the 7th vial and that quake created a valet for the river and for a graveyard. The river is for the living, the graveyard is for the remains of the 200M angelic horseman. If 4 angels/200M horsemen then the flood say God arrive with 10,000 angels of the same strength. 500,000,000,000 men on horses against the fallen angels as mentioned in Re:12 Christ mentions 12 legions as being at His call so that might me a number when they are being referenced. Their task is to gather a certain group of sinners that are fed on by birds and beasts of the field as payback for all their numbers that were killed because of Adam’s sin. On the evening of the 1st day the whole world is at rest for the 1st day since God returned from a day of rest. The task at hand is the transformation of a very good earth taking it’s position in the Kingdom of God as being perfected. Men first and then the earth. Heb:12:22: But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, Heb:12:23: To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, Isa:66:22-24: For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. Zec:14:6: And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark: Zec:14:7: But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light. The river in New Jerusalem will be the source of the water for the new earth era. To close out the era that this earth is part of the holy land will be restored to garden like condition and Jerusalem will be the city that would have been built had sin not entered the world. The City and the land and the perfected people is what Satan and the remaining fallen angels will be up against when God releases them so they can be sent to the fiery lake. A fate awaiting any person should they decide to sin after this point in time, I’m sure all will be suitably impressed that it need not be mentioned again. The ones in hell will have been the witnesses that stood on the shore of the lake of fire, a view not easily forgotten. The ‘house’ is referring to the House of Prayer that will be the temple for the 1,000 year reign. Zec:6:12: And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: Zec:6:13: Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both. Isa:56:7: Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people. It should be noted that the 1,000 years takes place in a sinless era that has no flesh alive on it other than a few fish in the former Dead Sea. Able’s offering was chosen because it was suitable for a sinful world, Cain’s sacrifice will be the one accepted in the 1,000 years and in the whole of the new earth verses. Fine flour made of barley was a suitable replacement for certain blood sacrifices in the OT. It wasn’t followed very much. Zec:14:8: And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. The 12 Tribes are resurrected onto the promised land and then they are led to the river of living water. The remnant of the Nations will also drink as they come in from the east. Zec:14:9: And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. Eze:47:1-12: Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar. Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward, and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward; and, behold, there ran out waters on the right side. And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ancles. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins. Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over. And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river. Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other. Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed. And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh. And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from En-gedi even unto En-eglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many. But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt. And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine. Prior to the 12 Tribes coming home it is made void of every living thing. The closest survivors are the ones that see Satan’s Jerusalem burn within 1 hour. Nearest horizon is the best guess. Zec:14:10: All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses. Zec:14:11: And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited. The same valley that is created also holds a graveyard for the bones of the 4 fallen angels who manifest as horsemen. Re:9:16: And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them. Re:14:20: And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs. Isa:63:3: I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment. Eze:39:11-16: And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamon-gog. And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD. And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search. And the passengers that pass through the land, when any seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamon-gog. And also the name of the city shall be Hamonah. Thus shall they cleanse the land. Zec:14:12: And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. The global judgment of the Nations that were given the sword in Romans:13 and Jeremiah delivered the news that they would be judged guilty of being in sin even though they were acting as servants of God at the time. Jer:25:14-18: For many nations and great kings shall serve themselves of them also: and I will recompense them according to their deeds, and according to the works of their own hands. For thus saith the LORD God of Israel unto me; Take the wine cup of this fury at my hand, and cause all the nations, to whom I send thee, to drink it. And they shall drink, and be moved, and be mad, because of the sword that I will send among them. Then took I the cup at the LORD's hand, and made all the nations to drink, unto whom the LORD had sent me: To wit, Jerusalem, and the cities of Judah, and the kings thereof, and the princes thereof, to make them a desolation, an astonishment, an hissing, and a curse; as it is this day; Jer:25:26-33: And all the kings of the north, far and near, one with another, and all the kingdoms of the world, which are upon the face of the earth: and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them. Therefore thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Drink ye, and be drunken, and spue, and fall, and rise no more, because of the sword which I will send among you. And it shall be, if they refuse to take the cup at thine hand to drink, then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Ye shall certainly drink. For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts. Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words, and say unto them, The LORD shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth. A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth; for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh; he will give them that are wicked to the sword, saith the LORD. Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth. And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground. Men’s bones are not gathered and even though they are sent to hell they are in there all the way to the GWT event so they are not part of the masses that go to the fiery lake in the event just before that gate being unlocked and the prisoners set free. Zec:14:13-15: And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour. And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance. And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague. The selection just above is referencing the joy that is felt during the days the two witnesses are dead and the 1st hour after they have been resurrected back to life. They are the ones that escape death by knowing it is time to leave with haste. M't:24:12-21: And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Re:18:10: Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. Re:18:17: For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, Re:18:19: And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate. They can represent the first from the 1/3 that survive the fire at the start of the passage this verse is part of. The rest of the year they are wandering around the globe witnessing the destruction if the cities that is part of the vial that is the largest quake the world will ever know. Re:16:17-21: And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great. Zec:14:16: And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. These are part of what the Church will be doing during their period of being perfected to act as shepherds to the ones called the rest, The role playing in the 1,000 year reign will be the relationship between the ones who call New Jerusalem ‘home’. Zec:14:17-19: And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. Zec:14:20: In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowl's before the altar. Zec:14:21: Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts. Re:16:17-21: And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
 
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selfsame, you don't do a credible job pretending to be a Christian either. What? you say your name is Mhz? Sounds like another lie to me, Nassir.



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Curious Cdn
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#21
I have a theory that Selfsame and Murphy are alter-egos of the same person who is utterly bonkers.
 
DaSleeper
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Megahurtz post#19... like most of his posts are simple C/P s from other web sites like this one
Day of the Lord, literalist version.
Just like selfshame and French parrot
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Megahurtz post#19... like most of his posts are simple C/P s from other web sites like this one
Day of the Lord, literalist version.
Just like selfshame and French parrot

That's because my handle over there is Wayfaring Stranger. Here is the next part and I will post it @Godlike tomorrow at 10AM.

Zep:1:1:
The word of the LORD which came unto Zephaniah the son of Cushi,
the son of Gedaliah,
the son of Amariah,
the son of Hizkiah,
in the days of Josiah the son of Amon,
king of Judah.

The passage below is part of the 7 vials determination. The Beasts of the field and birds that are invited to feed on the flesh of men are killed by Christ after. The feast is payment to the blood sacrifices that took place from when God killed a lamb to sew some clothes for Adam and Eve as protection after the exile from the garden. By removing all other flesh they are spared being killed at the end of the 1,000 year reign as anything not sinless and knowing about good and evil is sent to the fiery. With Christ taking away their breath of life it means He has set a way to reward them for that ‘sin’. The covenant would allow them to be made healthy just like fish are able to live in the former Dead Sea.

Ho:2:18:
And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field,
and with the fowls of heaven,
and with the creeping things of the ground:
and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth,
and will make them to lie down safely.

Lu:12:6:
Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings,
and not one of them is forgotten before God?
Lu:12:7:
But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
Fear not therefore:
ye are of more value than many sparrows.

Being remembered by the God of Life when you are already in the grave is never a bad thing. This is a verse that is fulfilled at the start of the new earth era.

Isa:60:22:
A little one shall become a thousand,
and a small one a strong nation:
I the LORD will hasten it in his time.

Zep:1:2:
I will utterly consume all things from off the land,
saith the LORD.
Zep:1:3:
I will consume man and beast;
I will consume the fowls of the heaven,
and the fishes of the sea,
and the stumblingblocks with the wicked;
and I will cut off man from off the land,
saith the LORD.

The vials make a clean sweep, the 144,000 from the 12Tribes will see it unfold from the mountain top where Christ, Moses and Elias were seen in a vision. On the day of the return they will be in the holy land in their glorified body, along with the rest of the whole House of Israel. The fish in the Dead Sea will be the ‘other flesh’ alive after the feast is finished.

Zep:1:4-6:
I will also stretch out mine hand upon Judah,
and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem;
and I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place,
and the name of the Chemarims with the priests;
And them that worship the host of heaven upon the housetops;
and them that worship and that swear by the LORD,
and that swear by Malcham;
And them that are turned back from the LORD;
and those that have not sought the LORD,
nor enquired for him.

The path of the possession starts at Jerusalem, it is quite likely the path will follow the list given in Jeremiah:25. The online Bible Atlas makes the connections easier.

Zep:1:7-9:
Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord GOD:
for the day of the LORD is at hand:
for the LORD hath prepared a sacrifice,
he hath bid his guests.
And it shall come to pass in the day of the LORD's sacrifice,
that I will punish the princes,
and the king's children,
and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.
In the same day also will I punish all those that leap on the threshold,
which fill their masters' houses with violence and deceit.

The princes and kings would be part of the 2/3 that die on that day. The Beast gives 10 men kingdoms in Re:17 and 3 may be taken over by 1 if the vision in Da:7 is to be taken that way. Strange apparel would be whatever uniform Satan and the Beast can come up with.

Zep:1:10
And it shall come to pass in that day,
saith the LORD,
that there shall be the noise of a cry from the fish gate,
and an howling from the second,
and a great crashing from the hills.
Zep:1:11

Howl,
ye inhabitants of Maktesh,
for all the merchant people are cut down;
all they that bear silver are cut off.

Holy Angels do the searching for Christ.

M't:13:41:
The Son of man shall send forth his angels,
and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend,
and them which do iniquity;

Re:14:15-20:
And another angel came out of the temple,
crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud,
Thrust in thy sickle,
and reap:
for the time is come for thee to reap;
for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth;
and the earth was reaped.
And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven,
he also having a sharp sickle.
And another angel came out from the altar,
which had power over fire;
and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth;
for her grapes are fully ripe.
And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth,
and gathered the vine of the earth,
and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
And the winepress was trodden without the city,
and blood came out of the winepress,
even unto the horse bridles,
by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.




Zep:1:12:
And it shall come to pass at that time,
that I will search Jerusalem with candles,
and punish the men that are settled on their lees:
that say in their heart,
The LORD will not do good,
neither will he do evil.
Zep:1:13:
Therefore their goods shall become a booty,
and their houses a desolation:
they shall also build houses,
but not inhabit them;
and they shall plant vineyards,
but not drink the wine thereof.

Some people think they go to heaven and then come back to rid the world of evil people, until they read this passage about holy angels searching out evil people and then they want nothing to do with it.

Joe:2:1-11:
Blow ye the trumpet in Zion,
and sound an alarm in my holy mountain:
let all the inhabitants of the land tremble:
for the day of the LORD cometh,
for it is nigh at hand;
A day of darkness and of gloominess,
a day of clouds and of thick darkness,
as the morning spread upon the mountains:
a great people and a strong;
there hath not been ever the like,
neither shall be any more after it,
even to the years of many generations.
A fire devoureth before them;
and behind them a flame burneth:
the land is as the garden of Eden before them,
and behind them a desolate wilderness;
yea,
and nothing shall escape them.
The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses;
and as horsemen,
so shall they run.
the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap,
like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble,
as a strong people set in battle array.
Before their face the people shall be much pained:
all faces shall gather blackness.
They shall run like mighty men;
they shall climb the wall like men of war;
and they shall march every one on his ways,
and they shall not break their ranks:
Neither shall one thrust another;
they shall walk every one in his path:
and when they fall upon the sword,
they shall not be wounded.
They shall run to and fro in the city;
they shall run upon the wall,
they shall climb up upon the houses;
they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.
The earth shall quake before them;
the heavens shall tremble:
the sun and the moon shall be dark,
and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army:
for his camp is very great:
for he is strong that executeth his word:
for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible;
and who can abide it?

Zep:1:14:
The great day of the LORD is near,
it is near,
and hasteth greatly,
even the voice of the day of the LORD:
the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

The crying men would be the ones in the verses below, the time would be the early part of the day the two witnesses are resurrected.

Zep:1:15:
That day is a day of wrath,
a day of trouble and distress,
a day of wasteness and desolation,
a day of darkness and gloominess,
a day of clouds and thick darkness,
Zep:1:16:
A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities,
and against the high towers.

Both of these are summation verses and there are some passages that explain the details.

Zep:1:17:
And I will bring distress upon men,
that they shall walk like blind men,
because they have sinned against the LORD:
and their blood shall be poured out as dust,
and their flesh as the dung.
Zep:1:18:
Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD's wrath;
but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy:
for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

Zep:2:1-3:
Gather yourselves together,
yea,
gather together,
O nation not desired;
Before the decree bring forth,
before the day pass as the chaff,
before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you,
before the day of the LORD's anger come upon you.
Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth,
which have wrought his judgment;
seek righteousness,
seek meekness:
it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD's anger.


Zep:2:4:
For Gaza shall be forsaken,
and Ashkelon a desolation:
they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day,
and Ekron shall be rooted up.
Zep:2:5:
Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast,
the nation of the Cherethites!
the word of the LORD is against you;
O Canaan,
the land of the Philistines,
I will even destroy thee,
that there shall be no inhabitant.

This is the start of an event that goes to the 4 corners of the globe as indicated by a few words in some very important passages.

Re:16:19:
And the great city was divided into three parts,
and the cities of the nations fell:
and great Babylon came in remembrance before God,
to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

Eze:39:6:
And I will send a fire on Magog,
and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles:
and they shall know that I am the LORD.

Jer:25:33:
And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth:
they shall not be lamented,
neither gathered,
nor buried;
they shall be dung upon the ground.

To do justice to the verses below a lot of other passages are going to be referenced and that is a deeper study. Deeper meaning that this is about the term ‘day of the lord’ and that one is likely a look at what turns up when the term ‘that day’ is referenced. Many are similar to this document and the others are good at filling in a few blanks so it goes pretty quickly. Slightly longer than normal reading speed is the shortest time allowed.

Zep:2:6-10:
And the sea coast shall be dwellings and cottages for shepherds,
and folds for flocks.
And the coast shall be for the remnant of the house of Judah;
they shall feed thereupon:
in the houses of Ashkelon shall they lie down in the evening:
for the LORD their God shall visit them,
and turn away their captivity.
I have heard the reproach of Moab,
and the revilings of the children of Ammon,
whereby they have reproached my people,
and magnified themselves against their border.
Therefore as I live,
saith the LORD of hosts,
the God of Israel,
Surely Moab shall be as Sodom,
and the children of Ammon as Gomorrah,
even the breeding of nettles,
and saltpits, and a perpetual desolation:
the residue of my people shall spoil them,
and the remnant of my people shall possess them.
This shall they have for their pride,
because they have reproached and magnified themselves against the people of the LORD of hosts.

The remnant is referencing the 144,000 from the 12 Tribes, they are the manifestation of the one line that points to them being stressed to the max.

De:4:26-31:
I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day,
that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it;
ye shall not prolong your days upon it,
but shall utterly be destroyed.
And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations,
and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen,
whither the LORD shall lead you.
And there ye shall serve gods,
the work of men's hands,
wood and stone,
which neither see,
nor hear,
nor eat,
nor smell.
But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God,
thou shalt find him,
if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
(For the LORD thy God is a merciful God
he will not forsake thee,
neither destroy thee,
nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

The 144,000 are protected, the two witnesses are protected, a certain number of Gentiles have repented their sins and they are protected until the day the two witnesses are killed. The day they are resurrected to join the 144,000 and the others is the day protection is not needed as they are immortal beings of the 2nd birth. The ones tormenting them and putting their lives in danger in the first place are killed first as that removes sin from existing in the Kingdom of God and temptation to sin is removed when people receive a new heart.

Jer:31:23-34:
Thus saith the LORD of hosts,
the God of Israel;
As yet they shall use this speech in the land of Judah and in the cities thereof,
when I shall bring again their captivity;
The LORD bless thee,
O habitation of justice,
and mountain of holiness. And there shall dwell in Judah itself,
and in all the cities thereof together,
husbandmen,
and they that go forth with flocks.
For I have satiated the weary soul,
and I have replenished every sorrowful soul.
Upon this I awaked,
and beheld;
and my sleep was sweet unto me.
Behold,
the days come,
saith the LORD,
that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man,
and with the seed of beast.
And it shall come to pass,
that like as I have watched over them,
to pluck up,
and to break down,
and to throw down,
and to destroy,
and to afflict;
so will I watch over them,
to build,
and to plant,
saith the LORD.
In those days they shall say no more,
The fathers have eaten a sour grape,
and the children's teeth are set on edge.
But every one shall die for his own iniquity:
every man that eateth the sour grape,
his teeth shall be set on edge.
Behold,
the days come,
saith the LORD,
that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel,
and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt;
which my covenant they brake,
although I was an husband unto them,
saith the LORD:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days,
saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
and write it in their hearts;
and will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour,
and every man his brother,
saying,
Know the LORD:
for they shall all know me,
from the least of them unto the greatest of them,
saith the LORD;
for I will forgive their iniquity,
and I will remember their sin no more.

Zep:2:11:
The LORD will be terrible unto them:
for he will famish all the gods of the earth;
and men shall worship him,
every one from his place,
even all the isles of the heathen.
Ye Ethiopians also,
ye shall be slain by my sword.
And he will stretch out his hand against the north,
and destroy Assyria;
and will make Nineveh a desolation,
and dry like a wilderness.

The full list is in Jeremiah:25. It takes a few hours at Jerusalem where it starts, to cover the globe on the day it would have to travel at the same rate the sun crosses the ground.

Zep:2:14:
And flocks shall lie down in the midst of her,
all the beasts of the nations:
both the cormorant and the bittern shall lodge in the upper lintels of it;
their voice shall sing in the windows;
desolation shall be in the thresholds:
for he shall uncover the cedar work.

This marks the entrance to the smoking hole that has Satan in chains. The valley that is created in Zec:14 holds the graveyard that is the City of Gog, city of the dead. Together they are Gog and Magog in Satan’s little season before the fiery lake becomes home for eternity.

Zep:2:15:
This is the rejoicing city that dwelt carelessly,
that said in her heart,
I am,
and there is none beside me:
how is she become a desolation,
a place for beasts to lie down in!
every one that passeth by her shall hiss,
and wag his hand.

Zep:3:1-3:
Woe to her that is filthy and polluted,
to the oppressing city!
She obeyed not the voice;
she received not correction;
she trusted not in the LORD;
she drew not near to her God.
Her princes within her are roaring lions;
her judges are evening wolves;
they gnaw not the bones till the morrow.

Zep:3:4:
Her prophets are light and treacherous persons:
her priests have polluted the sanctuary,
they have done violence to the law.
Zep:3:5:
The just LORD is in the midst thereof;
he will not do iniquity:
every morning doth he bring his judgment to light,
he faileth not;
but the unjust knoweth no shame.

Zep:3:6-8:
I have cut off the nations:
their towers are desolate;
I made their streets waste,
that none passeth by:
their cities are destroyed,
so that there is no man,
that there is none inhabitant.
I said,
Surely thou wilt fear me,
thou wilt receive instruction;
so their dwelling should not be cut off,
howsoever I punished them:
but they rose early,
and corrupted all their doings.
Therefore wait ye upon me,
saith the LORD,
until the day that I rise up to the prey:
for my determination is to gather the nations,
that I may assemble the kingdoms,
to pour upon them mine indignation,
even all my fierce anger:
for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.

Zep:3:9:
For then will I turn to the people a pure language,
that they may all call upon the name of the LORD,
to serve him with one consent.
Zep:3:10:
From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants,
even the daughter of my dispersed,
shall bring mine offering.

This is a lead-up who the harlot of Re:17 is, she is also a king’s daughter in Daniel:11. The quickest way to identify her is to look at her traits one by one.

Re:18:7:
How much she hath glorified herself,
and lived deliciously,
so much torment and sorrow give her:
for she saith in her heart,
I sit a queen,
and am no widow,
and shall see no sorrow.
La:1:1:
How doth the city sit solitary,
that was full of people!
how is she become as a widow!
she that was great among the nations,
and princess among the provinces,
how is she become tributary!

Re:17:1-6:
And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials,
and talked with me,
saying unto me,
Come hither;
I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication,
and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness:
and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast,
full of names of blasphemy,
having seven heads and ten horns.
And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour,
and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls,
having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
And upon her forehead was a name written,
MYSTERY,
BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints,
and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus:
and when I saw her,
I wondered with great admiration.

Re:17:15-18:
And he saith unto me,
The waters which thou sawest,
where the whore sitteth,
are peoples,
and multitudes,
and nations,
and tongues.
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast,
these shall hate the whore,
and shall make her desolate and naked,
and shall eat her flesh,
and burn her with fire.
For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will,
and to agree,
and give their kingdom unto the beast,
until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
And the woman which thou sawest is that great city,
which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

The city is Jerusalem during the 4 days the witnesses are killed, during those days it is known as Satan’s Babylon. The vision on the mountain with Christ, Moses and Elias was to be a secret except for the 3 Apostles who saw it. Had it been shown to the men in Matthew:23 the cross would not have taken place. In essence Jesus did to some of the temple staff what God did to Pharaoh so the plagues would all happen rather than he give up too early. The men left in the dark had a role to fulfill during the events that are in the last 42 months before they will be rejoicing in person as they are included in the Re:20:4 resurrection that includes the whole House of Israel. These men in particular would have been the bosses that caused tribulation to the Church when allowed. A role that is a fulfillment of prophecy as they represent ‘the children’ of the ones from the 12 tribes that caused God to send Neb in when he did.

She is a topic that is still under discussion but I see her as being related to the ones receiving this sermon. Not repeated in whole.

M't:23:32-39:
Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
Ye serpents,
ye generation of vipers,
how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Wherefore,
behold,
I send unto you prophets,
and wise men,
and scribes:
and some of them ye shall kill and crucify;
and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues,
and persecute them from city to city:
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth,
from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias,
whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Verily I say unto you,
All these things shall come upon this generation.
O Jerusalem,
Jerusalem,
thou that killest the prophets,
and stonest them which are sent unto thee,
how often would I have gathered thy children together,
even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings,
and ye would not!
Behold,
your house is left unto you desolate.
For I say unto you,
Ye shall not see me henceforth,
till ye shall say,
Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Da:11:6:
And in the end of years they shall join themselves together;
for the king's daughter of the south shall come to the king of the north to make an agreement:
but she shall not retain the power of the arm;
neither shall he stand,
nor his arm:
but she shall be given up,
and they that brought her,
and he that begat her,
and he that strengthened her in these times.

This is part of the 5th and 6th trump topic and it is far from being a complete work at the moment. The end of that is the start of their downfall, a very fast downfall.

Zep:3:11:
In that day shalt thou not be ashamed for all thy doings,
wherein thou hast transgressed against me:
for then I will take away out of the midst of thee them that rejoice in thy pride,
and thou shalt no more be haughty because of my holy mountain.

I think the many stripes prophecy is for Gentiles so that leaves the beggar Lazarus and the Rich Man prophecy as meaning before the resurrection begin certain members of the 12 Tribes can be sent to hell as Christ has the keys to death and hell before anybody dies and if Satan is the reason the harlot is not there when the 7th trump sounds he alone could be the one that stabs her in the back.
The 10 horns could be languages and in this instance the Tower of Babble would be when the planet went from a pure language to 10 languages that are removed and the pure language will be one sign that God is at work.
The verse below would seem like it can only be for the ones in Matthew:23

Zep:3:12:
I will also leave in the midst of thee an afflicted and poor people,
and they shall trust in the name of the LORD.

The harlot above and the 144,000 below, same 12 Tribes. The power during the trumps is the two witnesses alone, the 144,000 would be offering shelter to whomever God sent their way.

Zep:3:13:
The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity,
nor speak lies;
neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth:
for they shall feed and lie down,
and none shall make them afraid.

Zep:3:14-16:
Sing,
O daughter of Zion;
shout,
O Israel;
be glad and rejoice with all the heart,
O daughter of Jerusalem.
The LORD hath taken away thy judgments,
he hath cast out thine enemy:
the king of Israel,
even the LORD,
is in the midst of thee:
thou shalt not see evil any more.
In that day it shall be said to Jerusalem,
Fear thou not:
and to Zion,
Let not thine hands be slack.

After the 7 vials the book of life in Re:10 is opened up and some names are read out. The names not read out are read out at the Great White Throne event and then mankind is whole again. Before then the 1,000 years should have 10 nations that will all be speaking the same language and be the first ones of the clay to be under the Re:21Law that will be a return of the law that was cancelled when Moses introduced the 10 Commandments. They are suitable for sinners, in the 1,000 years that is the start of mankind in a sin-free earth

Zep:3:17-20:
The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty;
he will save,
he will rejoice over thee with joy;
he will rest in his love,
he will joy over thee with singing.
I will gather them that are sorrowful for the solemn assembly,
who are of thee,
to whom the reproach of it was a burden.
Behold,
at that time I will undo all that afflict thee:
and I will save her that halteth,
and gather her that was driven out;
and I will get them praise and fame in every land where they have been put to shame.
At that time will I bring you again,
even in the time that I gather you:
for I will make you a name and a praise among all people of the earth,
when I turn back your captivity before your eyes,
saith the LORD.
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Cliffy
+1
#24
Nobody reads this shit.
 
Murphy
#25
Let me offer some advice.

Let's say that I wish to talk about screwballs. I could cut and paste, but the long winded nature of the post drives people away. So, I would write something like this.

Mhz is a screwball. A nutcase. Not playing with a full deck. You can tell by his long winded, rambling posts. But there are other meanings for the word 'screwball'. Check this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screwball_(disambiguation)
---

What I've done there was post, but not prattle on at length about nothing. You should try that.

In our next lesson, we'll talk more about cites, both formal and informal.
 
MHz
#26
Nor your's, what's your point. Stay the fuk off the thread then bitch. You having a hard time figuring that out?? lol Only the brightest of the brightest in your world eh??

Quote: Originally Posted by Murphy View Post

Let me offer some advice.

Let's say that I wish to talk about screwballs. I could cut and paste, but the long winded nature of the post drives people away. So, I would write something like this.

Mhz is a screwball. A nutcase. Not playing with a full deck. You can tell by his long winded, rambling posts. But there are other meanings for the word 'screwball'. Check this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screwball_(disambiguation)
---

What I've done there was post, but not prattle on at length about nothing. You should try that.

In our next lesson, we'll talk more about cites, both formal and informal.

The thread is about God, a bit out of your league isn't He? Perhaps you should try Aesop's Fables get an adult to explain it as your read the big words.
 
Murphy
#27
And posting stuff like that might make you feel better, but does nothing for your credibility or a possible heart murmur. Relax, take a few deep breaths and you'll feel so much better.

Your question of the day: Is this a funny clown or an evil one? Remember to substantiate your opinions and use cites, where required.



And to be clear, your post was not about God. It was an founded swipe that Jewish supporters know little about God. You stated that Jews don't know anything. So please, do not suggest that it was a religious post. It was a third rate attempt to insult the Jews.

Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Posted to show just how little the Jewish supporters here know about the Book and that not one aspect has been picked up by the Jews who are supposed to know more shit than anybody. It proves they know nothing about their own holy books.

a large portion was cut, and then...

I don't see why they would need to be posted as this alone will mess every poster here up to the point the troll will even look more stupid than usual.

 
Cliffy
#28
 
MHz
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by Murphy View Post

And posting stuff like that might make you feel better,

'Stuff like that' would fill a pretty big room with papers somewhat like the ones I write. The question I'm asking now is why isn't there something I could copy and paste that promotes the same thing, or at least something like it. There isn't or I would have found it by now and if I didn't somebody else would have. The book is the topic rather than 'GOD'. Is it accurate as a literal piece of 'art' by a single author. Jesus was a real person, John the Baptist was the last Prophet called by God in the same light that Moses was. Jesus came from a higher calling, the book contains passages in which He is the 1st person in the theme that a writer mentions himself by name and he then transmits a message from 'somebody else', God or Christ in all cases as nobody else has that authority. The 13th marble is in a net carried by a boy who is holding the right hand of his father. The marble eventually becomes an perfect image of the one holding the child's hand. Welcome to the Kingdom of God. That would be based on the actual text and speculation so I prefer to stick with the 'facts' as you can cover more territory and don't have to back-track even once. God is not involved in our ability to tell fact from fiction. If you are already lost it means I like to take things apart to see how they work.
In the Bible's case I have gone over it quite thoroughly just so I would look like a folks because I though the passage ended with the end of the page in my 1611KJV Bible and it actually spilled over onto the next page. I would hang up my shoes if destruction followed by bodily resurrection was something I missed when it is the Book of Life is the topic.

Quote: Originally Posted by Murphy View Post

but does nothing for your credibility

Mine?? How about the biggest Church not knowing that Mary of Bethany is the wife of Christ?? How about the Jews not revealing that the 10 Commandments are the law only during the time of the two bruises from Ge:3:15?? I'm not hearing a lot of condemnation of them coming from you.

Quote: Originally Posted by Murphy View Post

or a possible heart murmur.

Bigger the better to tell you the truth.

Quote: Originally Posted by Murphy View Post

Relax, take a few deep breaths and you'll feel so much better.

I also produce my own ozone, want some?? Take eye-drops as it tends to dry the air out, for the over 65 crowd.

Quote: Originally Posted by Murphy View Post

Your question of the day: Is this a funny clown or an evil one? Remember to substantiate your opinions and use cites, where required.

It's your selfi you tell me. From my side of the fence you appear like somebodies angry little bitch. If you are here to direct the conversation you're paying too much attention to me and I don't play well with strangers. I'm going to enjoy making you my new best friend. They sure don't make them like they used to, right LudLowLife???



Quote: Originally Posted by Murphy View Post

And to be clear, your post was not about God.

Only in that He is the best candidate for being the author of the Bible. If we wrote a book would the book become the whole of us or would it remain a book that we had written and the rest of our life was similar to ours but on a much grander scale


Quote: Originally Posted by Murphy View Post

It was an founded swipe that Jewish supporters know little about God.

So far biblical discussion is killed as quickly as it can be by the said Jewish supporters, in a very crude and rude way. You might also be basing your judgment, rather than opinion, on by what you have read just here. I've been to lots of sites and a few times I got an actual conversation that went on for more than a few pages, . . . and on topic and in the end we reached a mutual agreement. Other times the grandsons voiced their objections to me getting a reply to a 'Mary/Miriam' question by the real boss of the place, know what I mean?

Quote: Originally Posted by Murphy View Post

You stated that Jews don't know anything.

About the book. The have a monopoly on higher education in the west, not so much in India and China. The mentioning of the bruise in Isaiah:53 being related to Ge:3:15 got one person's attention so what came before was worth it. Not one had had any opinion on Isaiah:65 so I stand by my words. They have been perfect in their keeping an honest copy of the texts given to them. Daniel makes it clear that there is more to come before you can understand what the book covers. Base = what the path is like if the world should fall into sin before it is perfected. That way it can be repaired, we were meant to break, that is what 'not being made perfect' means. I know what those books mean, and some of them know it now. It doesn't have to be popular but it does have to be accyrate or the whole exercise is a waste of time (as a hobby)

Quote: Originally Posted by Murphy View Post

So please, do not suggest that it was a religious post.

I don't really give a fuk how you take it really. Honesty is the goal if you need a clue what this life is all about

Quote: Originally Posted by Murphy View Post

It was a third rate attempt to insult the Jews.

How can I hate 'them' when I love the book they have written?? Your ass kissing is a bigger insult to them than anything I write about their most Holy Book. Maybe you have a stamp I don't know about.

You are going to be delightful to disassemble, too bad it will take so little time. The witching hour won't miss your form of intellect.
 
Murphy
#30
At least you made an attempt to be coherent. I suppose one has to be thankful for small things.

But again, you fail. It was still a rambling, unfocused response. You did not refute my statement and cite that your post was not about God.

You need instruction on how to prepare written arguments.

You must learn to form your thoughts and lay them out logically. You did not successfully refute anything I wrote.

Worst of all, you could not defend yourself when you wrote disparaging remarks about Jews.

WRT taking me apart in an intellectual discussion, that's unlikely. I haven't seen any evidence of that coming from you. You don't have the skill set.
 

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