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Pope Francis: Abortion is never OK, equates it to 'hiring a hitman'
You can bet your boots that the Holy See has had a mountain of people hit over the last 1200 years.

A whole pile of dirt worshipping heathens.

Curious Cdn
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A whole pile of dirt worshipping heathens.

Protestants, Italian politicians, pregnant Nuns, whistle-blowing clergy, Jewish money-lenders, Knights Templar, competition for the Papacy Bishops, ....
Vatican: gender theory a bid to 'annihilate nature'
June 10, 2019
June 10, 2019 12:33 PM EDT
Pope Francis celebrates the Pentecost mass-vigil on June 8, 2019 in Saint Peter's square at the Vatican.Getty Images
VATICAN CITY — The Vatican condemned gender theory on Monday as part of a “confused concept of freedom,” saying in a new document that the idea of gender being determined by personal feeling rather than biology was an attempt to “annihilate nature.”
LGBT rights advocates denounced the 30-page document, called “Male and Female He Created Them,” as harmful and confusing, saying it would encourage hatred and bigotry.
The document, the Vatican’s first on gender theory, was written by the Congregation for Catholic Education as an “instruction” to Catholic educators on how to address the topic of gender theory in line with Church teaching.
Rainbow flags are seen at the Stonewall National Monument, the first LGBTQ national monument, dedicated to the birthplace of modern lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer civil rights movement on June 4, 2019 in New York City. Pride Month 2019 marks The Stonewall 50th Anniversary. Getty Images
It was released as lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people around the world have been celebrating “Pride Month” amid a surge in demands for acceptance of the idea that gender is more complex and fluid than the binary categories of male and female, and depends on more than visible sex characteristics.
“The concept of gender is seen as dependent upon the subjective mindset of each person, who can choose a gender not corresponding to his or her biological sex, and therefore with the way others see that person,” the Vatican booklet says.
It says gender theories are “often founded on nothing more than a confused concept of freedom in the realm of feelings and wants, or momentary desires provoked by emotional impulses and the will of the individual, as opposed to anything based on the truths of existence.”
Francis DeBernardo, executive director of New Ways Ministry, which seeks to reconcile LGBT Catholics and the institutional Church, called the booklet “a gross misrepresentation” of the lives of LGBT people that could encourage violence against them.
“The misinformation the document contains will cause families to reject their children, and it will increase alienation of LGBT people from the Church,” he said in a statement.
While the document is not signed by Pope Francis, it several times quotes from his speeches and teachings and those of previous popes. It was issued with little advance notice to reporters and without the customary news conference.
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It denounced theories that attempted to “annihilate the concept of nature” and “educational programs and legislative trends that … make a radical break with the actual biological difference between male and female.”
A prominent American Jesuit writer, Father James Martin, tweeted: “The document is mainly a dialog with philosophers and theologians, and with other church documents; but not with scientists and biologists, not with psychologists, and certainly not with LGBT people, whose experiences are given little if any weight.”
DeBernardo added: People do not choose their gender, as the Vatican claims: they discover it through their lived experiences. The Church should respect and encourage this process of discovery, because it is a process by which individuals discover the wonderful way that God has created them.”
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Pope Francis: Abortion is never OK, equates it to 'hiring a hitman'

Anybody in the audience ask him wtfuk he knows about 'hitmen'? and why, . . . and how many molested kids were also 'whacked', as the Pope would probably say.
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If the Clergy are the 'Patients' who is driving the bus?
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If the Clergy are the 'Patients' who is driving the bus?

You in the market for a job?
Priest's 'racist' dog blamed for denying work to black housekeeper
Washington Post
August 19, 2019
August 19, 2019 1:04 PM EDT
Rev. Jacek Kowal (LinkedIn)
The home of a Catholic priest was the last place LaShundra Allen ever would have expected to be denied work because of her skin colour, she said.
Allen, who is black, arrived with her white co-worker the morning of May 3 for what was supposed to be her first day cleaning the Rev. Jacek Kowal’s rectory at the Catholic Church of the Incarnation in Collierville, Tenn. The co-worker from the cleaning company who accompanied her, Emily Weaver, was quitting and came along to introduce Allen as her replacement.
But the women wouldn’t get far. The secretary stopped them, Allen told the Washington Post, and said she would have to go ask Kowal if the new arrangement was OK.
The secretary soon informed them it was actually not OK – because of the priest’s “racist” dog.
“I’m sorry,” Kowal’s secretary said, according to a complaint sent to the Catholic Diocese of Memphis last month. “We are not trying to be rude, but the dog doesn’t like black people.”
Allen said she “didn’t really even have words,” baffled at what she just heard. She was ultimately turned away, and the experience haunted her so much that she felt she could not stay silent. “They came at me like it was supposed to be a joke,” she said, “but it was not funny. There was nothing funny about it.” Allen and Weaver sent a racial discrimination complaint to the Diocese of Memphis on July 3, seeking a “settlement and compromise.”
But on Friday, the Diocese of Memphis said in a statement that it completed its investigation and found that what happened at the priest’s rectory “simply was not a case of racial discrimination” and that Kowal “did nothing wrong.” The investigation came in response to the complaint, which was first reported by the Commercial Appeal last week.
In the church’s version of events, the secretary’s words were, “Father Jacek’s dog is kinda racist” – although in the eyes of the diocese, the statement did not stem from any racial discrimination. The priest and church staff were strictly concerned that the dog, a German shepherd named Ceaser, could attack Allen or both women, based in part on a past incident the dog had with an African American person, according to the letter from Bishop David Talley.
“Although the parish staff member’s choice of words was highly unfortunate and imprecise – they were not motivated by racial animus,” Talley wrote. “Rather, the concern by all involved was the safety of these women, one of whom was a stranger to the dog, and they knew that attempting to crate the dog would be dangerous when its owner was not present.”
Allen’s attorney, Maureen Holland, said she was disappointed in the bishop’s finding. Allen said she feared the diocese was not taking her complaint seriously, especially because the church did not respond for weeks to her letter. Blaming a dog for racism, she said, appeared to mask underlying discrimination. And she felt both discipline and training for the priest and staff should have been required, “because he needs to know that it’s not OK to say something like that to people.”
“I took it to be that he was using [the dog] as an excuse,” Allen said. “Dogs can’t see colour. Dogs can only be taught who to be around and who not to be around.”
According to the diocese’s letter, Weaver said she would be happy to put Ceaser in his crate if the secretary was concerned the dog would become aggressive in Allen’s presence. Weaver never had any problems with the dog previously, according to her and Allen’s complaint. But Kowal insisted putting the dog in the crate would be too dangerous without his supervision, “as he was concerned that they would be at risk of being bitten,” Talley wrote. Talley said Kowal would have had the same fear regardless of any new visitor’s skin colour, because the dog does not like strangers.
Still, skin colour was also part of the discussion.
“The staff were aware that years ago the dog had been threatened by a person who happened to be African American, causing the dog to be somewhat more agitated initially around strangers with darker skin, until the dog gets to know them,” Talley wrote. “The replacement employee who was planning to enter the rectory was an African-American person the dog had never met.”
Talley said the employees’ interpretation that Kowal was “motivated by a desire not to have an African American housekeeper” was “simply not true.” He had previously employed an African American housekeeper for five years during his last assignment, Talley noted.
Nick Signaigo, the owner of the cleaning company, Master Building Service Contractors, said Allen and Weaver each called him “hysterical” in May to tell him what happened. The women’s accounts synced up, he said, and he felt like he needed to take immediate action. “I had to take care of my employees,” said Signaigo, a parishioner at Kowal’s church whose children attended Catholic school there.
He immediately severed the contract to clean Kowal’s rectory, although he retained contracts to clean the church and school. He also pulled his children out of the school, saying he felt as if the diocese was ignoring his employees.
“I’m Catholic, I’m a part of the diocese – that’s where I attended church, and I expect something like that to be handled professionally, quickly, and handled immediately,” he told The Post. “But it was not. . . . For this to happen to my employees upsets me highly.”
Kowal did not respond to requests for comment from The Post, but in a statement to the Commercial Appeal last week, he echoed Talley’s explanation, mentioning the dog’s “bad experience” with an African American person. “Since that time, Ceaser (the dog) has been aggressive with strangers until he gets to know them. And this is especially true for strangers that happen to be African American,” Kowal wrote to the newspaper. He strongly disagreed that the incident could be described as racist.
“As a disciple of Jesus Christ, I wholeheartedly believe all forms of discrimination based upon race or ethnicity are sinful and wrong,” he wrote. “As a pastor, I have ministered to, employed and worked with numerous African Americans. Their claim that I didn’t want an African American to clean my rectory is simply not true.”
An attorney for the diocese declined further comment.
Allen’s attorney, Holland, said that the diocese has not contacted her clients directly about their complaint.

RACIST??? Against Blacks???

It's a BLACK DOG! FFS!!!
Priest Says Fat Women Won't Go To Heaven, Woman Knocks Him Off The Stage

In the church, a priest is expected to perform ceremonies and give sermons to the congregation. The sermons usually address varied religious and scriptural topics. But it's easy to get carried away when you're preaching to a large gathering - like this priest in Brazil.
We'll tell you what he said, but what's more important is what happened to him after - a woman jumped on stage and proceeded to knock the said priest off the platform.
And it was all caught on camera. The video has obviously gone viral on the internet.
According to reports, the woman was listening from the audience but lost it when the priest said ‘fat women don’t go to heaven.’


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