BC's Carbon Tax A Success

Danbones
#31
how does this fix the coming glaciation all the actual charts show is the next pattern repeat?
 
mentalfloss
#32
Quote: Originally Posted by tay View Post

Revenue-neutral carbon tax is not a fairy tale


There is a conservative position on climate change whose chief opponents are other conservatives. It is to tax carbon, not on top of existing programs for reducing emissions, as those on the left would do, but as a replacement for them — and not on top of existing taxes but as a replacement for them. This is the proposal Michael Chong has put before the Conservative party, but the same approach has been suggested by a number of other prominent conservatives.

Nevertheless the idea has been heavily criticized by Chong’s rivals in the Conservative leadership race. Their objections range from the scientifically dubious (climate change isn’t human-caused) to the economically illiterate (prices don’t affect behaviour). But the crowd-pleaser is simply to dismiss the whole premise of the exercise: that any revenues raised would be given back in tax cuts, or in other words that it would be “revenue neutral.”

No less an authority than Kevin O’Leary denounces the idea as “B.S.” Andrew Scheer recites a convoluted story involving Santa Claus and the tooth fairy, while Steven Blaney is content with the logically unassailable “a tax is a tax is a tax.” All rely heavily on eye-rolling appeals to what “everybody knows,” time-honoured slogan of the clued-in and the wised-up. As in: everybody knows there’s no such thing as a revenue-neutral tax reform.

This would be at least conventional, if the politicians in question were in another party: if Conservatives were warning the public that Liberals could not be trusted to bring in one tax without cutting another. It’s somewhat bizarre to hear Conservatives say that of themselves. Surely it would be within the Conservatives’ power to decide whether such a tax were revenue neutral or not. The logic of their position is not only that Chong is lying, but that if he were elected leader, the party would be powerless to pursue any other course.

I can’t think they mean revenue neutrality is impossible: it’s a simple enough matter to cut taxes — simpler, and more popular, than imposing new ones. So instead they must mean it is unlikely. And the evidence for that, presumably, is that it has not been so in similar situations in the past. Why, remember when the GST was brought in — by the Tories, if memory serves — how it was supposed to be “revenue neutral.” How did that turn out, huh?

Andrew Coyne: Revenue-neutral carbon tax is not a fairy tale | National Post



It's been revenue neutral but people like to misinterpret that to mean they get all their money back (which is stupid)
 
Danbones
#33
that doesn't actually answer the question
 
mentalfloss
#34
What question?
 
Danbones
+2
#35
if you missed it, that's your problem
 
mentalfloss
#36
Okay.
 
petros
#37
 
taxslave
#38
BC carbon tax is a rip roaring success. Brings in far more than what other taxes were reduced and has the added benefit of making everyone outside major population centers pay far more than their fair share of taxes.

Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

$1.14 is cheap gas. WE pay $1.23 except at Costco in COurtenay. SOmehow they can sell it for around $1.10 and make a profit.
Of course if one should be so fortunate as to have a status card they don't have to pay the carbon scam tax cause Indian cars don't polute.
 
petros
#39
thats 114 litres not the price. Price per L was $1.32 which was down from $1.37 earlier that day.
 
Jinentonix
+2
#40
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

It's been revenue neutral but people like to misinterpret that to mean they get all their money back (which is stupid)

Oh please, you think revenue neutral means they plow the money back into infrastructure or something. That is NOT revenue neutral, it's called a tax grab.
A tax is revenue neutral if it neither increases nor decreases tax revenues when compared to existing law. In other words, for the carbon tax to be truly revenue neutral, taxes have to be reduced or eliminated elsewhere by an equivalent amount.

But then again, what should anyone expect from a dolt who argues that an ideology equals race/ethnicity. And that's the problem with progtards like you, always revising history and definitions to suit the narratives you're always pushing.
 
Twin_Moose
+1
#41
'25 per cent is a big number': B.C. luxury car dealers brace for impact of new surtax

Quote:

The mood in B.C.'s auto industry has soured in the wake of the NDP government doubling the surtax on luxury cars in its 2018 budget.
Starting April 1, PST will go up from 10 per cent to 15 per cent on vehicles priced between $125,000 and $149,000.
Buyers shelling out more than $150,000 for a vehicle will pay 20 per cent in GST, also up from 10 per cent.
A person buying a $300,000 vehicle would pay $75,000 in taxes, including the 5-per-cent GST.
The NDP government — which first introduced a luxury car surtax in the '90s — says the revenue will "help pay for better services for British Columbians."
But high-end car dealers and industry observers are calling it a "punitive" tax in Canada's luxury-car mecca.
"My phone has not stopped ringing," said Blair Qualey, president and CEO of the New Car Dealers Association of B.C., which represents nearly 400 dealerships and 36,000 workers.
"Our members who sell in the market are gravely concerned."
High demand for luxury cars
Luxury vehicles now account for one-third of automobiles sold in B.C., according to DesRosiers Automotive Consultants.
Sales in the province have also surged in the past decade. Roughly 35,500 luxury vehicles were purchased in B.C. in 2017, a nine-per-cent jump from 2016.
BMWs, Mercedes and Range Rovers are a common sight in Metro Vancouver, which boasts the highest number of luxury vehicles per capita in North America.
But local car dealers worry that affluent buyers in B.C. will now will turn to other provinces.
Ontario, which commands the second-largest share of luxury-car sales, charges 13-per-cent HST. Buyers in Alberta pay five-per-cent GST.
"The automotive sector is incredibly competitive. Where a consumer can go to another jurisdiction to save money, they will," Qualey said.
'This is reckless'
Buoyed by rising sales, luxury car dealers in Vancouver have poured money into sprucing up their facilities.
Burrard Street, between 2nd and 8th Avenue, has become a hotbed for gleaming, multi-level showrooms, including the Ferrari Maserati dealership.
General manager Mark Edmonds said he expects sales to fall, even if buyers can afford the vehicles.
"It's a psychological thing for people. Twenty five per cent is a big number," he said.
"Maybe now they'll buy a boat instead of a car, or maybe a vacation property. ... Then the province will lose out on the sale completely."

© David Horemans/CBC Luxury car parked in downtown Vancouver on a sunny January day.
Vancouver's Weissach dealership, which sells luxury sports brands like Lamborghini and Bugatti, has ramped up its staffing in the past two years. But CEO Asgar Virji says the tax will affect its growth.
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"This is reckless," Virji said. "It hasn't been vetted and gone through consultation."
Qualey, with the New Car Dealers of Association B.C., said the province should have instead increased the threshold for the surtax.
The first bracket is a one-per-cent surtax, plus the seven-per-cent PST, for vehicles priced from $55,000 to $59,999.
But Qualey said pickup tricks now cost that much
When considering a new threshold, he pointed to the cutoff vehicle price — $77,000 — for the province's clean-energy-vehicle rebate program.
'Strategic' tax increase for the government
But the car dealers acknowledged that many British Columbians are unlikely to be sympathetic.
"It's one of those tax increases that are kind of tough to defend," Dan Baxter, policy director with the B.C. Chamber of Commerce, said on CBC's B.C. Almanac.
"If you can afford a $150,000 vehicle, you can probably pay a little more."
The move is part of the NDP government's strategy of resurrecting sin taxes to fund its new programs, said Hamish Telford, a political science professor at the University of the Fraser Valley.
"These are obviously strategic tax increases because they don't offend a lot of people and raise a modest amount of revenue," he said.
With files from CBC's B.C. Almanac
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petros
+1
#42
A new Chinese Head Tax
 
Hoid
#43
It doesn't matter where you buyba car as soon as you try the o insure it in BC you pay all the applicable taxes.
 
Decapoda
#44
Loosen up your wallet for record-breaking gas prices in Metro Vancouver

If you think youíre paying a lot at the pump now, just wait ó itís about to get worse.

Gas prices have been hovering around $1.50 per litre since the end of February, and an industry expert doesnít think relief is anywhere in sight with the summer months approaching.

ď$1.60 is really a no-brainer. Itís likely to happen sometime between roughly April 15 and Sept. 15, at which point we go back to winter blends of gasoline, which is cheaper for refineries to make,Ē GasBuddy.comís Dan McTeague said.



Carbon tax...good.
Pipelines...bad.
 
Hoid
#45
Burning fuel - bad.

Smoke in air make world die and people sick.

BTW eleventy-seven pipelines from Alberta will not make gas prices go down in BC.
 
pgs
#46
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Burning fuel - bad.

Smoke in air make world die and people sick.

BTW eleventy-seven pipelines from Alberta will not make gas prices go down in BC.

So the tax isnít about stemming global climate change but promoting cleaner air to breath . Maybe they should sell it that way .
 
petros
+1
#47
They already sold it that way once before.

Quote: Originally Posted by Decapoda View Post

Loosen up your wallet for record-breaking gas prices in Metro Vancouver

If you think youíre paying a lot at the pump now, just wait ó itís about to get worse.

Gas prices have been hovering around $1.50 per litre since the end of February, and an industry expert doesnít think relief is anywhere in sight with the summer months approaching.

ď$1.60 is really a no-brainer. Itís likely to happen sometime between roughly April 15 and Sept. 15, at which point we go back to winter blends of gasoline, which is cheaper for refineries to make,Ē GasBuddy.comís Dan McTeague said.



Carbon tax...good.
Pipelines...bad.

And it will hit that number by Friday.
 
Decapoda
#48
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post


BTW eleventy-seven pipelines from Alberta will not make gas prices go down in BC.

Stalling or obstructing approved pipeline projects won't either.

Notley threatens to turn off oil taps in dispute with B.C. over Trans Mountain pipeline
 
petros
#49
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post


BTW eleventy-seven pipelines from Alberta will not make gas prices go down in BC.

That is odd because in August of 2015, a tanker that sailed all the way from Newfoundland, through Panama Canal and all the way up to Burnaby dropped the price of gas by 12 cents and everyone rejoiced.

Went from $1.44 to $1.32.
Last edited by petros; Mar 19th, 2018 at 11:04 AM..
 
JLM
#50
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

BTW eleventy-seven pipelines from Alberta will not make gas prices go down in BC.

How do you know that?
 
petros
+1
#51
7 years of education and 15 years of drywall experience.
 
captain morgan
#52
I think that all that drywall dust has fried his noodle
 

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