Mayor refuses to remove swastikas from park


Bar Sinister
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#31
The bloody anchor is a trophy of war. It wouldn't have much meaning without the swastika. I own a holster with a swastika on it and a German eagle as well. My father took it from the body of a dead officer during WW II.
 
Cliffy
#32
Historical statues and monuments should not be taken down, but instead should come with a more accurate picture of who they were and/or the historical context it represents and if the guy was a psychotic asshole like Columbus there should be a disclaimer to that effect attached to the statue.
 
tay
#33
Holy sh it. This guy took it upon himself to pressure wash the anchor.....

In a little Canadian town, a battle is being waged over a swastika-adorned anchor, which is prominently displayed in a public park. There is one caveat, however: while its plaque identifies the artifact as being from the World War II era, an investigation shows that the anchor appears to be of British pre-war origin, and its swastika may have been inscribed as a benign symbol of good luck.

As Jason Magder reports for the Montreal Gazette , the anchor sits in a nautical-themed park in the town of Pointe-des-Cascades, Quebec. The park is located next to a museum dedicated to the maritime history of the St. Lawrence River and the Soulanges Canal .

A plaque in front of the anchor erected by the local historical society explains that the relic was discovered in 1988 in Quebec’s Lac St-Louis. The plaque also claims that the anchor dates to WWII, and that the swastika embossed onto one of its flukes "seems to denote the ship’s country of origin" (Germany, in other words). Though journalistic investigations over the past few days have revealed that this information about the anchor’s provenance is likely incorrect, when the activist Corey Fleischer first encountered the anchor last week, he had every reason to believe it was stamped with an authentic Nazi symbol.


The Montreal resident, who runs a power-washing business, is the founder of an initiative called Erasing Hate, where he is often called upon to remove hate symbols that have been graffitied onto public property, according to the CBC.

Fleischer tells Smithsonian.com that when he arrived in Pointe-des-Cascades, he saw that the anchor appeared to have been freshly painted. “I walk into this park and I see this anchor ... that's painted immaculately [in] three colors,” Fleischer says. The body of the anchor was beige, and on its left fluke was a black swastika surrounded by a white circle.

He began using his equipment to scrub the paint, hoping to make the swastika less visible. While he was working, he was stopped by the town mayor, Gilles Santerre, who phoned the police.

A video of the interaction shows a police officer explaining that Fleischer cannot alter the anchor because “it’s not yours.”

“It’s part of our history,” a second officer says.

“It doesn’t matter if it’s part of our history,” Fleischer replies. “This should not be in a park displayed with kids, with grandparents.”

As news of the conflict spread, Marc Montgomery of Radio Canada International published an investigation arguing that the swastika in question was not in fact a Nazi symbol. It pre-dates WWII, he claims, and was one of many anchors manufactured by W.L. Byers of Sunderland, England, starting in the late 1800s.

“[Byers] was apparently fascinated by the swastika, as were a great many people and organizations of the time, by this symbol found on pottery unearthed by archaeologists at Troy and which is believed to be an ancient sign both there and in India for good luck and auspiciousness,” Montgomery writes, noting the company discontinued its use of the swastika when the Nazis appropriated the symbol.

In a statement, the mayor of Pointe-des-Cascades says he is committed to installing a plaque that better explains the anchor’s history, according to the CBC. Santerre also notes that that the town “does not endorse Nazism.”

But correcting the plaque’s historical inaccuracies isn’t enough to satisfy Fleischer. Since it was re-painted by the town, he says, the anchor has borne a prominent black swastika surrounded by a white circle. “This is something that Hitler used on his flags,” Fleischer explains. “This is something that is notorious.”

The design was indeed espoused by Hitler. In Mein Kampf, according to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum , the Führer described his vision for what would become the Nazi emblem: “a flag with a red background, a white disk, and a black swastika in the middle.”

Fleischer also contends that the anchor belongs in a museum, not in a public park where it might upset unsuspecting passersby. “The last thing that I'm trying to do is erase any history,” he says, but adds that the swastika “is no longer a sign of just peace.”

“This is a sign that Hitler used to massacre and almost erase an entire population of people,” he says. “There is no room for any swastikas ... to be in a public space.”

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Danbones
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#34
Lets get rid of the reds blacks and whites then..those colors...

this guy is one messed up closet racist isn't he?

lol
A British anchor..the kings and queens of racial bigotry and empire right there!
So...Let's ban BRITAIN!...
( lol, you all know that Winston Churchill was a founding member of the communist/nazi EU eh?)
 
Tecumsehsbones
#35
Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post


Getting rid of the eagle as your national symbol anytime soon? No? Then thanks for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts for you including a home version of the game.

If we do, it should be because of our own conduct. Certainly not because the Nazis used a golden eagle, a completely different species from the bald eagle.
 
DaSleeper
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#36


https://www.billoreilly.com/b/Nazis-...439127121.html
The last paragraph of the article really says it all...

Quote:

Like the "f-bomb," some words are sapped of their power every time they are used. They lose shock value and become only a sign of growing desperation. Reckless use of the word "Nazi" is growing tedious. So are those who toss it around so recklessly.


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petros
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#37
Jumpin' Geronimo!

The Injun symbol for the 4 directions is a swastika!

 
Morti
#38
You guys....and you know who you are.

The ones that went after some members here and rightly so for going after "Jooos" won't lift a finger now to denegrate the azzholes who marched in Charlottesville because you may just have to hold hands with those that oppose them.

In the words of a not so great leader....SAD.
 
taxslave
#39
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Historical statues and monuments should not be taken down, but instead should come with a more accurate picture of who they were and/or the historical context it represents and if the guy was a psychotic asshole like Columbus there should be a disclaimer to that effect attached to the statue.

while I agree that statues should not be pulled as I see it as akin to book burning who do you propose should provide the historical context? Someone with a bit of knowledge or some PC fascist that wants to rewrite history?
 
Morti
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#40
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

while I agree that statues should not be pulled as I see it as akin to book burning who do you propose should provide the historical context? Someone with a bit of knowledge or some PC fascist that wants to rewrite history?

Okay.

How would you revise the plaque on the statue of Robert E Lee considering you have no agenda at all?
 
taxslave
#41
Quote: Originally Posted by Morti View Post

Okay.

How would you revise the plaque on the statue of Robert E Lee considering you have no agenda at all?

What makes you think it needs revising?
 
Morti
#42
What do they say?

I'm sure you know without looking.

....but you will and just did.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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#43
Quote: Originally Posted by Morti View Post

Okay.

How would you revise the plaque on the statue of Robert E Lee considering you have no agenda at all?

How about"

Robert E. Lee
Betrayed his comrades and country
Murdered American soldiers
That men might be slaves
And lost
 
Morti
#44
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

How about"

Robert E. Lee
Betrayed his comrades and country
Murdered American soldiers
That men might be slaves
And lost

Sounds fair.

When were these statues erected btw?
 
Tecumsehsbones
#45
Quote: Originally Posted by Morti View Post

Sounds fair.

When were these statues erected btw?

All over the south.

If that plaque suggestion's too long for your tastes, I've boiled it down to:

Robert E. Lee

Slaver Traitor Loser
 
Morti
#46
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

All over the south.

If that plaque suggestion's too long for your tastes, I've boiled it down to:

Robert E. Lee

Slaver Traitor Loser

Uh....just asking when these statues were erected.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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#47
Quote: Originally Posted by Morti View Post

Uh....just asking when these statues were erected.

Sorry, misread it.

Most of them went up in the 1890s. There were smaller waves of statue building in the 1920s and 1950s.

Apparently putting them up 30, 60, and 90 years after the Civil War isn't revisionist at all, but taking them down 150 years after the war is.