Charles Manson is Dead - for real this time


Murphy
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Charles Manson Dies at 83



Charles Manson, the notorious leader of the Manson Family cult that murdered actress Sharon Tate and six others in 1969, died Sunday in a Bakersfield, Calif., hospital. He was 83.

The California Department of Corrections released a statement reading, “Inmate Charles Manson, 83, died of natural causes at 8:13 p.m. on Sunday, November 19, 2017, at a Kern County hospital.”

Manson returned to the hospital in mid-November after being hospitalized in January. He was transferred out of Corcoran State Prison, where he had been serving nine life sentences. He had been denied parole 12 times.

The shocking murders brought the carefree hippie era of the late 1960s to a dark end, with Manson and his followers becoming infamous cultural figures. Though he didn’t commit the Tate and LaBianca murders himself, the Corrections Department said “On December 13, 1971, Manson received a first-degree murder conviction from Los Angeles County for the July 25, 1969, death of Gary Hinman and another first-degree murder conviction for the August 1969 death of Donald Shea.”

Though the murders took place nearly 50 years ago, they continued to have a hold over the popular imagination. Quentin Tarantino is currently looking for a home for his 1969-based movie project that has the events surrounding Manson as a background. The current season of “American Horror Story” portrayed the Manson family in the “Charles (Manson) in Charge” episode.

The rest here.

Charles Manson Dies at 83 – Variety
 
lone wolf
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Shovel hard. It's getting cold....
 
JLM
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What has the world gained by keeping this bastard around for the past 50 years?
 
Danbones
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Bills..and a roll model for whackoes everywhere

gotta feed the machine something other then pot smokers once in a while

its a budget thing
 
Alternative
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RIP Charles.
 
Walter
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Should’ve been shot in 1968 to spare his victims.
 
Curious Cdn
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Roast in Hell, ya freak.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

What has the world gained by keeping this bastard around for the past 50 years?

Two generations of jail guards got solid gold pensions.
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

What has the world gained by keeping this bastard around for the past 50 years?

The comfort in knowing inept governments don't have the power to kill citizens. I know you're a fan of inept governments so I'm not surprised you have a problem with it
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck View Post

The comfort in knowing inept governments don't have the power to kill citizens. I know you're a fan of inept governments so I'm not surprised you have a problem with it


Well then, you shouldn't mind be a guinea pig to confirm for sure they are incapable!
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Well then, you shouldn't mind be a guinea pig to confirm for sure they are incapable!

I know they are incapable. That's why I'm not a socialist like you. You like and trust government. Most folks on the government tit do.
 
petros
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Like you and the other SpEds down at the bottle depot.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck View Post

I know they are incapable. That's why I'm not a socialist like you. You like and trust government. Most folks on the government tit do.



You'd know being on it as much as anyone! Have you actually done one day's honest work in your miserable life?

Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Like you and the other SpEds down at the bottle depot.


Good one, Pete! As Sleepy would say, just keep Bitch Slapping him.
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Have you actually done one day's honest work

Many. Somebody has to fill the trough for you folks
 
petros
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Your high paid gig at the bottle depot is the backbone of our social structure.

Are you a journeyman bottle sorter?
 
Murphy
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With him being dead, they're going to produce a movie, or more likely, a documentary. They can air it on slow news weeks. This kind of show always gets a lot of attention on channels like History or Crime.
 
Hoid
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It's too bad California hadn't gotten rid of capital punishment before the Manson trial. It ended up being the (then) most expensive trial in state history - for no reason.
 
tay
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Did he physically kill anyone or was it just his groupies............?
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

What has the world gained by keeping this bastard around for the past 50 years?

I hope he was put to economically productive work for most of that time.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by tay View Post

Did he physically kill anyone or was it just his groupies............?

As far as the famous "Tate-LiBianca Murders" trial was concerned, his "family" did the killing.
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck View Post

The comfort in knowing inept governments don't have the power to kill citizens. I know you're a fan of inept governments so I'm not surprised you have a problem with it

I know that no criminal justice system is perfect and that even under the standard of proof beyond reasonable doubt, wrongful convictions can occur. That said, I also acknowledge that wrongful convictions under that burden of proof are rare enough that I'd be willing to accept capital punishment for murder, arson, and maybe some other crimes.

One possible solution would be to allow capital punishment for such crimes while still allowing a judge full discretion to waive it in favour of life with hard labour. Most judges would probably opt for the lower punishment by default just so that they can sleep easy at night. However, the knowledge that a judge could impose capital punishment could serve as a deterrent even if judges habitually opt for the lower punishment.
 
Mowich
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

What has the world gained by keeping this bastard around for the past 50 years?

Nothing, JLM but when California did away with the death penalty it was the only alternative.

Quote: Originally Posted by tay View Post

Did he physically kill anyone or was it just his groupies............?

He had his groupies do the killing..........coward that he was.
 
Danbones
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Well, prison can be compensated for when one is wrong
The death penalty ...not so much

US death row study: 4% of defendants sentenced to die are innocent

Deliberately conservative figure lays bare extent of possible miscarriages of justice suggesting that the innocence of more than 200 prisoners still in the system may never be recognized
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...dants-innocent
 
Murphy
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Keeping people like him alive is fine. Many doctors studied him, his habits, how he interacted with others, what he ate, what he read or watched on television, etc. A living lab experiment. I hope that they learned something about "the crazy" by having him under glass.
 
Danbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

I know that no criminal justice system is perfect and that even under the standard of proof beyond reasonable doubt, wrongful convictions can occur. That said, I also acknowledge that wrongful convictions under that burden of proof are rare enough that I'd be willing to accept capital punishment for murder, arson, and maybe some other crimes.

One possible solution would be to allow capital punishment for such crimes while still allowing a judge full discretion to waive it in favour of life with hard labour. Most judges would probably opt for the lower punishment by default just so that they can sleep easy at night. However, the knowledge that a judge could impose capital punishment could serve as a deterrent even if judges habitually opt for the lower punishment.

The numbers probably look good till you are one of them.
Having been wrongly convicted and having cost the chief of police his job over it ( while STILL having to buy a pardon for something about to become legal to boot), I can tell you it can happen SO easily...

(from my link)
The study concludes that were all innocent people who were given death sentences to be cleared of their offences, the exoneration rate would rise from the actual rate of those released – 1.6% – to at least 4.1%. That is equivalent in the time frame of the study, 1973 to 2004, of about 340 prisoners – a much larger group than the 138 who were exonerated in the same period
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/doi/10.1073/pnas.1306417111

“This is a disturbing finding,” said Samuel Gross, a law professor at the University of Michigan law school who is the lead author of the research. “There are a large number of people who are sentenced to death, and despite our best efforts some of them have undoubtedly been executed.”

The study concludes chillingly that “the great majority of innocent defendants who are convicted of capital murder in the United States are neither executed nor exonerated. They are sentenced, or resentenced to prison for life, and then forgotten”.
Last edited by Danbones; Nov 20th, 2017 at 12:38 PM..
 
Hoid
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You kill him and you add to his fame.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post

Well, prison can be compensated for when one is wrong
The death penalty ...not so much

US death row study: 4% of defendants sentenced to die are innocent

Deliberately conservative figure lays bare extent of possible miscarriages of justice suggesting that the innocence of more than 200 prisoners still in the system may never be recognized
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...dants-innocent


And 100% of the perpetrators victims are innocent.
 
JLM
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I just hope and pray they bury the bastard face down so there is no risk of him clawing his way out!
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

I just hope and pray they bury the bastard face down so there is no risk of him clawing his way out!

*Hug*
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

And 100% of the perpetrators victims are innocent.

Not always. I remember reading one study showing that most domestic violence is in fact reciprocal.
 

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