Tom Petty was a Junkie

bill barilko
As predicted he died of an overdose-'accidental' my ass he just kept using until he croaked stupid bastard.

Tom Petty died of accidental drug overdose, family says
Musician’s wife and daughter say a fractured hip led to ‘over use of medication’ and voice hope report will contribute to opioid discussion

Tom Petty’s family said his death last year was due to an accidental drug overdose.

His wife and daughter released the results of Petty’s autopsy via a statement on his Facebook page on Friday night.

Dana and Adria Petty said they got the results from the coroner’s office, saying the overdose was caused due to a variety of medications.

They said Petty had emphysema, a fractured hip and knee problems that caused him pain, but that he was still committed to touring. On the day he died, his hip had graduated to a “full on break”, the statement said, adding that they believed “the pain was simply unbearable and was the cause for his over use of medication”.

“As a family we recognize this report may spark a further discussion on the opioid crisis and we feel that is a healthy and necessary discussion and we hope in some way this report can save lives,” the statement continued. “Many people who overdose begin with a legitimate injury or simply do not understand the potency and deadly nature of these medications.”

Petty had wrapped up a tour a few days before he died in October at age 66.

Petty had previously suggested that the 40th anniversary tour could be his last, telling Rolling Stone in an interview: “We’re all on the backside of our 60s. I have a granddaughter now I’d like to see as much as I can. I don’t want to spend my life on the road. This tour will take me away for four months. With a little kid, that’s a lot of time.”

A Petty biography published in 2015 revealed that the singer had a heroin addiction in the 1990s. He also had depression.

The singer-songwriter and guitarist, who sold more than 80m records worldwide, soared to fame in the 1970s with his band the Heartbreakers.

When announcing his death last year, his family said he died peacefully surrounded by his friends, family and bandmates. He had been found unconscious in his Malibu home and was rushed to a hospital.

The family’s statement on Friday added: “On a positive note we now know for certain he went painlessly and beautifully exhausted after doing what he loved the most, for one last time, performing live with his unmatchable rock band for his loyal fans on the biggest tour of his 40 plus year career. He was extremely proud of that achievement in the days before he passed.”
I,m saddenend, very good tunes, he made his mark, he,ll be back
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As predicted he died of an overdose-'accidental' my ass he just kept using until he croaked stupid bastard.

There,s a point when you know you should go, instead of clinging, I think real artists know that clock instinctive like

when you peak you peak
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This matters cause...?

He didn't call women yummy, or climb on top of them with an erection! For god's sake, he was a musician!

Okay, he took drugs, but it was obviously his parent's fault, his school, or the media. Certainly not his own.
Society's fault. Cue obviously you can't be a rock star if you don't do drugs.
Curious Cdn
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Tom Petty was a heartbreaker.
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Society's fault. Cue obviously you can't be a rock star if you don't do drugs.

Then society must be held accountable. Remember in the not too distant past when ritual murders and disappearances kept the world freely turning without care?

Eloria Hugis used to say, "The blood and fat of the sacrificed oiled the world."

What a wonderfully smart woman she was. I wonder what happened to her?
Curious Cdn
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Then society must be held accountable. Remember in the not too distant past when ritual murders and disappearances kept the world freely turning without care?

Eloria Hugis used to say, "The blood and fat of the sacrificed oiled the world."

What a wonderfully smart woman she was. I wonder what happened to her?

I don't think so. She always said that she wanted to live in the mountains. She was still climbing at 74.

The last time I talked to her was 12 years ago. We were buying lobster in Baie Ste. Anne. She spoke about a recurring dream she had of living in the Andes. I never pressed her about it because moving there seemed unlikely. We visited with her for several days in NB, but she didn't seem like the same woman of years before. She was an early riser, and would sit on the jetty in the mornings, staring out to sea. Kind of sad.

Her husband died a year earlier of a heart attack. He was 79, but in good shape. Eloria often talked about their 52 years of marriage, and their trips to the Far East. She never seemed to tire, except those times when we would sit and listen to her reminisce.

"Those bastards in China stole years from Ed." she'd say. "The blood and fat of the sacrificed, oiled the world. I'm just glad Ed had a hand in making them grease."

It was painful to watch, but anyone in that business, despite their age, had seen a lot of hard times and ugliness.
Eloria and Ed travelled a lot in French Indo-China, especially in the countries now known as Laos, Vietnam and Cambodia. Ed was a fixer, which is an old time expression for someone who goes into an area and gets things moving again. Officially, Ed and Eloria were teachers, but they were getting paid by Ottawa. Fixers are still around today, greasing the wheels of governments and private enterprises in various parts of the world, but their activities aren't talked about because of the nature of that business.

For Eloria and Ed, it was usually spreading money around or organizing meetings, but sometimes it involved making people 'go away'. Ed never spoke about what he did, but Eloria could be coaxed, with a little brandy, to tell all. It was because those events were so long ago and she was older. Alcohol loosened her tongue.

So it came to be that she would tell me about the ends of many people who were difficult to deal with. Some 'went away' by their hands, but usually it was a cheap payoff to a local thug. They knew where to dump the bodies.

Eloria and Ed traveled using several passports, but being Canadian, meant that they were no threat. At least, that's what the SE Asian governments thought. For everyone in the region, the big trouble was with the French. Very few people liked them and wanted them tossed out.

Today, most people think that Canada has always got along well with the French, but you'd be wrong about that. The French were, and still are, very full of themselves. They did not appreciate Canadians poking their noses into French business affairs. Trying to 'rule a colony' kept Paris very busy. France saw everything in SE Asia as theirs to do with as they pleased. And when it came to ravaging other countries for whatever they could lay their hands on, the French were as bad as the English.

The French knew who Eloria and Ed were, and who they worked for, but could do nothing. Indo-China was the Asian version of the wild west. The best Paris could do was to complain through channels. That meant Eloria and Ed had free rein, but they always had their hands full. Part of their job was to keep innocent French, US or European citizens from being killed. They spent a lot of time wheeling and dealing with local tribal and community leaders. Canadian innocuousness made us valuable to many countries playing in the region.

But being Canadian and living there was not without its dangers. As Eloria put it, most of the local leaders were hotheads and when they could not be bribed, they had to ' go away'. I always laughed when she talked like that. Eloria, gangster lady! "Eloria says it's time for him to 'go away'!".

But as she explained, it was easy to do. No one really cared if you disappeared. And certainly, none of local police agencies could conduct a proper investigation, if one was ever called for. You have to remember that this was right after WWII, but before 1954, when the French had their asses handed to them. It was just before the Americans failed to learn from the French, and tried working their own magic in the region. That ended badly for all concerned. Later, the Vietnam War was, as Ed used to say, a 'tactical misunderstanding'.

Anyway, life was cheap, and it still is there. These days, even with technological advances to solve crimes, most things simply happen with no justice served. Back when Eloria and Ed were living there, and especially in the jungle, things like murder went unsolved for all time. It was a perfect place to operate, if you needed to ignore the law.
Ed and Eloria were going to retire in BC, until they discovered unusually high levels of toxins in the air and soil. They stumbled upon this information quite by accident.

Ed was back from SE Asia for about six weeks in the summer of 1950. Eloria remained in Hanoi. Ed had an appointment with some federal government officials in Vancouver. They wanted to talk to him about the increasing Communist activity in the region. Ho Chi Minh was busy in what would become Vietnam. Mao Zedong was busy farther to the north.

The Communists were gaining strength all over the Far East and would punt the French from the region.. Canada had specific plans for when that happened. As early as 1948, we knew that the French would fail. Canada suggested giving them a little rope and see where they would go politically. The US disagreed, explaining to whoever would listen that they were concerned about the spread of Communism. In fact, Truman sent a few military advisors to the region in 1950, but no one knew what was going to happen. If you recall, the Red Scare was in full swing. Back in the US, Senator Joe McCarthy was rounding up anyone who was suspected of being a Communist sympathizer.

1954 would see the birth of the Republic of Vietnam, but in 1950 there were only signs of what was to come. There were no firm indications of when the shit would hit the fan.

At any rate, Ed had his meeting. During one of the breaks, he overheard two men talking about Vancouver Island. Apparently, Ottawa was heavily involved in testing chemical and biological agents there. They were releasing toxins into the air. The original plan was to observe the illness and death rates for the southern half of Vancouver Island, where the spraying was concentrated. The test area stretched from Nanaimo, along the eastern part of the island, to an area just north of Victoria. Ottawa chose the Island because they felt it offered little or nothing to the Dominion.

Scientists looking after the program were unaware that the airborne toxins would settle on the ground, be absorbed into it and end up in the water table. The earth's natural filtering would have no affect. Live and learn. As well, some of the toxins were carried to the mainland, depositing chemicals on places like Texada and the Sunshine Coast.

The program went from 1949 to 1953. When Ed heard about it, the feds had already been actively releasing agents for over a year. Later, when he returned to Hanoi, he told Eloria and they both decided the other coast would be a better choice for a retirement home.
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Ed and Eloria ended up moving to Cape Breton. Houses were cheap and they liked the slower pace.
and Bill knows stupid personally.
bill barilko
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and Bill knows stupid personally.

Quite the piece of work aren't you?

B. Barilko-never used hard drugs/never will.
It was medication prescribed for a broken hip. Not a drug addict. Nice spin,

It was unfortunate. And certainly a warning for all those managing opiods prescribed for various ailments.
America's opioid crisis: how prescription drugs sparked a national trauma

Aggressive marketing of painkillers made from opium poppy led to a generation of addicts and the deaths of almost 100 people a day from overdoses

The Opioid Epidemic: How Big Pharma And Congress Created America’s Worst Health Crisis


You’re aware America is under siege, fighting an opioid crisis that has exploded into a public-health emergency. You’ve heard of OxyContin, the pain medication to which countless patients have become addicted. But do you know that the company that makes Oxy and reaps the billions of dollars in profits it generates is owned by one family?
The Secretive Family Making Billions From the Opioid Crisis

Drug War? American Troops Are Protecting Afghan Opium. U.S. Occupation Leads to All-Time High Heroin Production

Truth be told....
bill barilko
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It was medication prescribed for a broken hip. Not a drug addict.....

If you believe that I can get you a good price on the Lions Gate Bridge!
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Society's fault. Cue obviously you can't be a rock star if you don't do drugs.

Bruce Springsteen would beg to differ on that.

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If you believe that I can get you a good price on the Lions Gate Bridge!

Why not believe it? As you pointed out the fact that he had an addiction in the 90s has been known for awhile. Given that was known there isn’t really any reason to lie about it now.
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If you believe that I can get you a good price on the Lions Gate Bridge!

See post above doood.
Ed and Eloria lived in Persia for a time. That was what they called Iran, prior to 1935.

They were sent to chase Nazis. The Germans had diplomats in the Middle East since WWI, but Hitler had new plans. Franklin Roosevelt and Prime Minister Richard Bedford Bennett, or RB, to Canadians, wanted more information about Hitler and why he sent his henchmen there.

1933 was an interesting year. "The Huggies", as most of their friends called them, left Indo China for two years to follow . The Persians had wanted to improve relations with Germany since the late 1800s, and Hitler notwithstanding, that was still their goal. The Middle East was isolated from the rest of the world in those days, and the Persians saw an opportunity befriending a strong European nation. Elora used to say it was bad luck to choose Germany, but it was a 60 year old dream. They had been trying since the 1870s, and knew little about Hitler, the Nazis, or the quest of Aryan domination of the world.

Any German citizen working in the Middle East was either taking money out of the region, or harassing the British. Their job was to stir up trouble by coaxing the Arabs to attack them- as if Arabs needed any prodding. No one liked the British anyway, so it was easy work.

As far as west was concerned, both Canada and the US were blissfully unaware of what was happening in that region. It was before big oil, and the leaders of the 100s of petty fiefdoms kept the inhabitants constantly fighting. What was to love about the Middle East? It was a sandy, desolate and unbearably hot wasteland, full of savages.

Ed and Eloria's job was to follow and report on the activities of a fellow called Wilhelm Litten, who had worked in the region for 20 years. First as consul, and later, as the German Minister in Tehran.

It seemed that Ed and Eloria Hugis were never destined to relax. Neither retired until they were in their late 60s.
Such was the life of an Ottawa spy.
Many people have asked me if people like Ed and Eloria Hugis are still being used by world governments. The answer is yes! They work for many agencies - private, charitable and religious. Their covers fit whatever group is employing them. Most are everyday working people who have received sufficient training to accomplish a specific task.

Famous people have also worked as spies. Here is an excerpt from My Hyperbaric Film Festival: Harpo Marx, Super Spy .

In “Harpo Speaks!”, his 1961 autobiography (written with Rowland Barber), Harpo (1888-1964) admits to serving as a secret courier, delivering communiqués taped to his leg to and from the US embassy, no easy task given he was closely watched during his visit. At the tour’s end, safely out of the USSR, Harpo writes, “I pulled up my pants, unwound the straps, handed over the dispatches from Ambassador [William] Bullitt, and gave my leg its first scratch in ten days.”

This may seem unlikely, but a letter exists to Harpo from the FBI’s J. Edgar Hoover, praising Harpo’s "loyal services" and suggesting, "there may be ways that you can help your country again."

I love the idea that Harpo worked as a spy, taking real risks in the land of Stalin.

I read the book and it was a fascinating glimpse not only of Harpo Marx, but the topsy turvy times in which he lived. You can read it too, either as a paperback, or as a Kindle.
When we come back, we'll look at what Canada does behind the scenes, to grease the wheels of politics and world events.

Some of the revelations will shock you.
Curious Cdn
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When we come back, we'll look at what Canada does behind the scenes, to grease the wheels of politics and world events.

Some of the revelations will shock you.
Ed and Eloria used to spend their time doing whatever it was that spies did. That included trips back and forth from Tehran to Baghdad.

Persia and the newly independent Iran were used to seeing whites traveling around. As a people, as soon as they found out that you were not British, the Arabs were friendly. The couple never had problems with anyone. It was usually the British and the Germans who caused the most grief.

Ed spoke five languages - English, French, Arabic, Vietnamese and German. Eloria was fluent in three - French, English and Vietnamese. In those days, English and French could carry you through most countries with a minimum of problems. But it was Ed's knowledge of Arabic that was often a 'get out of jail free' card. Most of the locals were happy that a white person spoke their language.

The British spoiled everything they came into contact with, in the Middle East. They thought themselves better than the locals, telling them not to speak Arabic. Learn the King's English or be silent! That's precisely why they were hated. Unfortunately, they did not take the advice of Thomas Edward Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia). He said on many occasions that the British were the guests, and to act accordingly. He did not think himself better than any Arab. Ed was of the same mind.

Eloria was somewhat restricted because of her sex. She could not wander too far, except for markets and short distance trips from their apartment. It wasn't because she was a woman per se, or because she was a Christian. It was her fair skin, dirty blonde hair and blue eyes. They were a sexual beacon. She attracted the attention of men who wanted to bed her for her "unique qualities". She was warned about this before the couple left for Persia, and Ed would usually escort her wherever she wanted to go.

They only place she felt safe was at the embassies. Inside the fences, she could wander around unmolested.

T. E. Lawrence

Years later, Ed would say the only people he had 'invited to lunch', a euphemism for people he killed, were Europeans. He added that he usually acted alone, but those times where he needed help, the Arabs always were eager to help - especially if the 'lunch guest' was English.
Find me a rock star that hasn't had an issue. Petty left us with some great tunes. Shame he had to go.
Ed talked about his time in the Middle East as being 'confused and violent'. People today don't realize that previous generations had their own share of troubles. Ed and Eloria watched the Nazis come to power in 1933, and their job gave them a unique perspective of what was to come. They knew that smiles and good manners hid the barbarity of Germany from most of the world. They were dismayed that politicians didn't see the danger of the Third Reich, despite being fed a mountain of damning intelligence. Their reports fell on deaf ears.

But Ed and Eloria saw it and were aghast. The Germans needed to be stopped.

In the early to mid 1930s, Adolf Hitler's star was ascending. It was before the world understood his evil nature. And while many people blame British PM Neville Chamberlain for allowing himself to be fooled by Hitler, there were two PMs before him, and an American president, Franklin Roosevelt, who must shoulder much of the blame. Ramsay MacDonald and Stanley Baldwin were the British prime ministers from 1929 until 1937. Chamberlain got handed a mess, yet history treats him shabbily. Today, we look back at Chamberlain's 1938 trip to Germany, and his declaration of "peace for our time" as a naive attempt to stop the Nazis, but for him to shoulder all the blame is unfair.

Ed Hugis would have told you that directly. There would be no mincing words. Ed and Eloria's transfer to the Middle East in 1933 was an attempt to gather information about Germany's interest in the region. Two Canadians on their way to a largely backward area of the planet. It was a region ruled by a tribal culture, complete with fights over water, livestock or someone's daughter. There were always conflicts going on. About the only ones who ignored most of it were Bedouins - a lowly caste of desert wanderers. Few Arabs liked them. That would make the Bedouins valuable allies for Ed and Eloria throughout their time in Persia and Iraq.

Most of the world did not understand the violent nature of the countries there. Islam has never been a peaceful or accommodating religion, but prior to WWII, few people knew much about the area or Muslims generally. Their leaders, both religious and tribal, were cruel, unforgiving and absolute rulers. The common folk were illiterate and lived hand to mouth. Before big oil, the region had little to offer the western world.

So why did the Germans want to establish a close relationship with the Arabs? It made little sense. As far as Hitler and the Nazis were concerned, Arabs were untermensch - subhuman. Who wanted to be their friend? The answer was simple, and completely missed by most of Europe. Like the Germans, the Arabs hated the French and the British. The Middle East was subjugated by both countries, who took much, but gave little in return. The Arabs came to realize that being a colony wasn't much of an existence.

The French and the English looked upon the Arabs with contempt. Inferiors to be governed, taxed and used. While Hitler might have considered Arabs inferior, he was not averse to a friendship of convenience that would help them defeat the French and British. The Arabs were to be tools of the Reich. The Germans knew the brutality of the people, and wanted to use them for their own ends.

Ed and Eloria were there to gather information primarily for the British. It was something that Ed found personally distasteful. He disliked the snobbish nature of the English, but at the time, Canada was closely allied with the little island. As Ed used to say, "Life is a series of unpleasant events, bad gas and stomach pains, punctuated with a bit of fun. There's never enough fun, but what little there is stops you from ending it all."

Ed was very private and level headed, but you could tell that he worked hard to control it. There was a dark rage just beneath the surface of a calm exterior.
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If anyone kept the Arabs engaged, confounding the Germans before the war broke out, it was the two dozen western agents in Persia and Iraq. Until 1938, just before WWII broke out, none were killed. An enviable track record. Unfortunately, scores of others lost their lives there while involved with intelligence gathering.

Ed was more engaged than Eloria when they were in the Middle East because he was a man. Women had few rights there, and were considered by many to be property. Now, that was a good thing sometimes. Kill or disfigure another man's possessions might get you killed. This strategy was employed by western agents against the Germans from 1933 to 1937. It also made Eloria's trips to the marketplace easy. That's what women do. They go to the marketplace.

Ed and Eloria were operating out of Tehran. The oil industry was still small change, but the need for it was growing. Although few recognized what was happening, the Germans were jockeying to be receivers of that oil when the war broke out. Or that's what they thought. In fact, because of the growing need when the war broke out, 30% of the oil used by the Germans was made from coal. A synthetic product of the time.

Ed was survelling a couple of 'alt bund' diplomats and several businessmen. It was an old fashioned expression for the German 'old boys network'. The work was easy, but occasionally Ed had to deal with the police. Others in his field would quietly phone the authorities and report him. Generally however, the Arabs left him alone. He was a Canadian. Another country that the British were exploiting. And after all, Ed was only spying on Germans.

The Persians saw that the Germans were just as bad as the British. As a result, they forged more alliances with the Allied Forces before, and during the war. The British would promise anything to get the job done, but it back fired later. They had lied so much that many countries tossed the Brits out.

The sun had set on the British Empire after 1945.

Ed was to detail the appointments, movements, and daily activities of the Germans on his list. This surveillance list was provided by Ottawa. The names were drawn up in London, and passed by diplomatic pouch to the RCMP. In the days before electronic communication and monitoring, information handling was slower, but harder to crack.

Even today, diplomatic pouches are the most secure way to move things around.
bill barilko
Prince was a Junkie Bastard Too he nagged & nagged other people then went into the toilet and used what killed him-how pathetic

Prince had ‘exceedingly high’ level of fentanyl in body when he died
Lead prosecutor will make decision ‘in the near future’ on whether to charge anyone over Prince’s death

A toxicology report from Prince’s autopsy, obtained by the Associated Press, shows he had what multiple experts called an “exceedingly high” concentration of fentanyl in his body when he died.

Prince was 57 when he was found alone and unresponsive in an elevator at his Paisley Park estate on 21 April, 2016. Public data released six weeks after his death showed he died of an accidental overdose of fentanyl, a synthetic opioid 50 times more powerful than heroin.

A confidential toxicology report provides some insight into just how much fentanyl was in his system. Experts who are not connected to the Prince investigation said the numbers leave no doubt that fentanyl killed him.

“The amount in his blood is exceedingly high, even for somebody who is a chronic pain patient on fentanyl patches,” said Dr Lewis Nelson, chairman of emergency medicine at Rutgers New Jersey medical school. He called the fentanyl concentrations “a pretty clear smoking gun”.

The report says the concentration of fentanyl in Prince’s blood was 67.8 micrograms per litre. Fatalities have been documented in people with blood levels ranging from three to 58 micrograms per litre, the report says.

It adds that the level of fentanyl in Prince’s liver was 450 micrograms per kilogram, and notes liver concentrations greater than 69 micrograms per kilogram “seem to represent overdose or fatal toxicity cases”.

There was also what experts called a potentially lethal amount of fentanyl in Prince’s stomach. Dr Charles McKay, president of the American College of Medical Toxicology, said the findings suggest Prince took the drug orally, while fentanyl in the blood and liver suggest it had some time to circulate before he died.

Experts say there is no “lethal level” at which fentanyl can kill. A person who takes prescription opioids for a long time builds up a tolerance, and a dose that could kill one person might help another.

Search warrants released about a year after Prince’s death showed authorities found numerous pills in various containers around his home. A lab report shows many of the pills tested positive for fentanyl. Information released publicly indicates the source of those drugs has not been determined.

Last week, the lead prosecutor in the county where Prince died said he was reviewing law enforcement reports and would make a decision ‘in the near future’ on whether to charge anyone.

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