Ramadan

diamond lady
#1
Ramadan is a special month of the year for over one billion Muslims throughout the world. It is a time for inner reflection, devotion to God, and self-control. Muslims think of it as a kind of tune-up for their spiritual lives.
During Ramadan, Muslims fast from dawn to sunset every day. This means not to eat, drink or smoke during the daylight hours. For married adults, it also includes refraining from marital relations during the hours of fasting (i.e. the daylight hours). The fasting person is expected to do his best to practice self control and discipline, not to get angry easy, refrain from using harsh language or insults and to tolerate, forgive and respect others. .
The elderly and the chronically ill,have to feed a poor person for each day they cannot fast. Sick people can compensate by fasting other days when they feel well,Children dont have to fast.


Oh you who believe! Fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that you many learn piety and righteousness" (Quraan 2:183)

YouTube - ‪Muslims Welcome Holy Month of Ramadan‬‎
 
selin
#2
Then, Happy Ramadan

as you have just mentioned "The fasting person is expected to do his best to practice self control and discipline, not to get angry easy, refrain from using harsh language or insults and to tolerate, forgive and respect others", Ramadan has benefits for humanbeings in terms of morality and health ...even non-Muslim researchers considers fasting as beneficial for the functions of organs -Organs need rest too .

Sanctions all in Quran are geared to human's well-being and have meanings, reasons not for any dogma or it would be hard for me to accept it.
 
eanassir
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by diamond lady View Post

Ramadan is a special month of the year for over one billion Muslims throughout the world. It is a time for inner reflection, devotion to God, and self-control. Muslims think of it as a kind of tune-up for their spiritual lives.





During Ramadan, Muslims fast from dawn to sunset every day. This means not to eat, drink or smoke during the daylight hours. For married adults, it also includes refraining from marital relations during the hours of fasting (i.e. the daylight hours). The fasting person is expected to do his best to practice self control and discipline, not to get angry easy, refrain from using harsh language or insults and to tolerate, forgive and respect others. .
The elderly and the chronically ill,have to feed a poor person for each day they cannot fast. Sick people can compensate by fasting other days when they feel well,Children dont have to fast.


Oh you who believe! Fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that you many learn piety and righteousness" (Quraan 2:183)

YouTube - ‪Muslims Welcome Holy Month of Ramadan‬‎


Fasting is prescribed for Muslims as was it prescribed for Jews before

1-
When fasting of the month of Ramadan was prescribed by God as in the Quran 2: 183

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ كُتِبَ عَلَيْكُمُ الصِّيَامُ كَمَا كُتِبَ عَلَى الَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ


The explanation:
( O believers, fasting is prescribed for you, even as it was prescribed for those [Children of Israel] before you; that you may ward off [disease.])

That is because the fasting is prescribed by God in the Quran for believers, just as had God prescribed it for the Children of Israel in the past.

Jews fast for 23 hours/ day : they break their fast only for one hour following the sun-set.
183
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2-

So at the beginning, Muslims started to fast like Jews 23 hours/ day; but that caused many difficulties for many of them: when some were outside the city then came after the hour of fasting elapsed so he continued the fasting for two successive days.

Other believers: youths with their hot blood, they cheated their wives to have sexual contact with them, which was a disobedience then.

So God be glorified made some alleviation and made the fasting for the whole night: from the start of the night darkness till dawn. So during this period of time, people can eat, drink and have sexual intercourse with their wives --- and this is lawful until dawn.

Therefore, the aya 2: 187
أُحِلَّ لَكُمْ لَيْلَةَ الصِّيَامِ الرَّفَثُ إِلَى نِسَآئِكُمْ هُنَّ لِبَاسٌ لَّكُمْ وَأَنتُمْ لِبَاسٌ لَّهُنَّ عَلِمَ اللّهُ أَنَّكُمْ كُنتُمْ تَخْتانُونَ أَنفُسَكُمْ فَتَابَ عَلَيْكُمْ وَعَفَا عَنكُمْ فَالآنَ بَاشِرُوهُنَّ وَابْتَغُواْ مَا كَتَبَ اللّهُ لَكُمْ وَكُلُواْ وَاشْرَبُواْ حَتَّى يَتَبَيَّنَ لَكُمُ الْخَيْطُ الأَبْيَضُ مِنَ الْخَيْطِ الأَسْوَدِ مِنَ الْفَجْرِ ثُمَّ أَتِمُّواْ الصِّيَامَ إِلَى الَّليْلِ وَلاَ تُبَاشِرُوهُنَّ وَأَنتُمْ عَاكِفُونَ فِي الْمَسَاجِدِ تِلْكَ حُدُودُ اللّهِ فَلاَ تَقْرَبُوهَا كَذَلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللّهُ آيَاتِهِ لِلنَّاسِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَّقُونَ

The explanation:
(It is made lawful for you to make sexual contact with your wives on the night of the fast. They are your cloak [or repose for you] and you are their cloak [or repose for them.]

God knew that you used to defraud yourselves, so He has relented towards you and has forgiven you. Now you may have sexual intercourse with them, and crave what God has ordained for you. And eat and drink until the whiteness of the daybreak will be distinct to you from the blackness of night.

Then continue the fast till the night.

But never have sexual intercourse with them when you devote yourselves [for worship] in mosques [that is the period of time between Sunset and the night prayer about 1 1/2 hours following the sunset.]

These are the rules of God, so draw not near to [change] them. As such will God make clear His signs [of revelation] to people, that haply they may ward off [the disobedience of God.])


187

This is according to the interpretation of Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly the late interpreter of the Quran and the Bible.

See my next post about the mistake of Muslims about the breaking of their fast in Ramadan
Last edited by eanassir; Aug 12th, 2010 at 03:49 AM..
 
eanassir
#4
The mistake of Muslims regarding their breakfast in Ramadan

This illustrates that most Muslims follow their traditions rather than the Quran itself. I.e. if there is a tradition narrated from the prophet or one of his companions or one of his family, then most Muslims will follow that tradition and do not follow the Quran itself.

Sunni have their breakfast at the sun-set time, and Shiaa have their breakfast about 10 minutes later.

While in the Quran, it is recommeded that the breakfast should be at the night time, which is the darkness: that is about 15-20 minutes following the sun-set time; because at the time of the sun-set, it is not dark, and even one can read a newspaper but after man prays his sun-set prayer, then another 2 rakaa that is not obligatory, so then he may have his breakfast.

This is in the aya 2: 187

ثُمَّ أَتِمُّواْ الصِّيَامَ إِلَى الَّليْلِ

The explanation:
( Then continue the fast till the night.)

Last edited by eanassir; Aug 12th, 2010 at 03:08 PM..
 
selin
+1
#5  Top Rated Post
Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir View Post

The mistake of Muslims regarding their breakfast in Ramadan

This illustrates that most Muslims follow their traditions rather than the Quran itself. I.e. if there is a tradition narrated from the prophet or one of his companions or one of his family, then most Muslims will follow that tradition and do not follow the Quran itself.

Sunni have their breakfast at the sun-set time, and Shiaa have their breakfast about 10 minutes later.
While in the Quran, it is recommeded thatthe breakfast should be at the night time, which is the darkness: that is about 15-20 minutes following the sun-set time; because at the time of the sun-set, it is not dark, and even one can read a newspaper but after man pray his sun-set prayer, then another 2 rakaa that is not obligatory, so then he may have his breakfast.

This is in the aya 2: 187


Eanassir, you know the third (evening) Azan is recited at a time when it is dark so there is no problem.
 
karrie
+1
#6
Do you gentlemen actually have anything to contribute to a discussion about Ramadan beyond just bashing Muslims?
 
eanassir
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by selin View Post

Eanassir, you know the third (evening) Azan is recited at a time when it is dark so there is no problem.


No problem concerning all whether they have their breakfast early like the Sunni or somewhat later like the Shiaa; but the correct thing is what is prescribed in the aya just mentioned: that is to complete or fulfill the fasting till night when it is dark.
Last edited by Ron in Regina; Aug 12th, 2010 at 04:11 PM..
 
Avro
#8
A few friends of mine practice this and always invite me to the feast at the end.

In my experience it has show cased their generosity and love.

They have always explained to me they do it to feel what those who go hungry experience and gain a greater appreciation of what they have instead of what they don't.
 
selin
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by karrie View Post

Do you gentlemen actually have anything to contribute to a discussion about Ramadan beyond just bashing Muslims?

also , they don't know that stonning is a law executed by one or two Muslim countries(which most of the muslims all over the world censure and ignore for their brutal actions made up as if Quran imposed and forced) -not law of Islam any.

they should have read the first posts for what they are about...
Last edited by Ron in Regina; Aug 12th, 2010 at 04:11 PM..
 
eanassir
#10
Fasting the month of Ramadan is only a worship practiced as obedience to God's command in the Quran. And God told us in the Quran, that the past nations of the Children of Israel had this worship prescribed to them in the same manner.

And of course, such fasting certainly have many benefits: health advantages, and social and moral and expending the alms to the poor for the sake of God alone and reciting the Quran is recommended in this blessed month.
 
Ron in Regina
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by karrie View Post

This thread is about Ramadan, let it be that.


Bump...
 
Kakato
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by Avro View Post

Maybe you didnt read the op.Try the last line.


The fasting person is expected to do his best to practice self control and discipline, not to get angry easy, refrain from using harsh language or insults and to tolerate, forgive and respect others. .
 
karrie
#13
oh give me a break both of you... one liner combative posts is NOT the same thing as expounding on the implications of Ramadan and the death pentaly, or eanassirs post and how it factors in to Ramadan.

Stop highjacking the thread, or discuss like grown ups instead of trolls.
 
Avro
#14
With respect to your holiday Selin and eanassir I hope it's a meaningful one.

I hope to be back from holiday to participate at the end....love that lamb.
 
karrie
#15
I took lent very seriously this year which, in the Catholic faith, is much the same as Ramadan. I found it to be a great exercise in personal reflection. I hope you find the same in your celebration of Ramadan.
 
Ron in Regina
#16
Sorry, but I need a couple minutes here to sort things out, so
bear with me for a bit folks...

OK...This thread will be split....with THIS one being about Ramadan...& the
OTHER one being the side-track Thread about Moslems & Stonings and
what not, etc....

Here's the LINK to that other Thread: http://forums.canadiancontent.net/fa...e-moslems.html
 
selin
#17
thanks, Avro-Karrie
 
CDNBear
#18
And here ladies and gentlemen, is the invite...
Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir View Post

The mistake of Muslims regarding their breakfast in Ramadan

This illustrates that most Muslims follow their traditions rather than the Quran itself. I.e. if there is a tradition narrated from the prophet or one of his companions or one of his family, then most Muslims will follow that tradition and do not follow the Quran itself.

Sunni have their breakfast at the sun-set time, and Shiaa have their breakfast about 10 minutes later.

While in the Quran, it is recommeded that the breakfast should be at the night time, which is the darkness: that is about 15-20 minutes following the sun-set time; because at the time of the sun-set, it is not dark, and even one can read a newspaper but after man prays his sun-set prayer, then another 2 rakaa that is not obligatory, so then he may have his breakfast.

This is in the aya 2: 187

ثُمَّ أَتِمُّواْ الصِّيَامَ إِلَى الَّليْلِ

The explanation:
( Then continue the fast till the night.)

Why would you want to create, then promote a divide, about an event as significant as Ramadan.

Don't you think that contributes to the whole issue, where a Muslim should fear or hate another Muslim, more so than any infidel?
Last edited by CDNBear; Aug 12th, 2010 at 04:57 PM..
 
Goober
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

And here ladies and gentlemen, is the invite...Why would you want to create, then promote a divide, about an event as significant as Ramadan.

Don't you think that contributes to the whole issue, where a Muslim should fear or hate another Muslim, more so than any infidel?

I have worked with people of the Muslim Faith for years - and where I work - i make very possible attempt, changing schedules etc so as to ensure they can adhere to the requirements of Ramadan - and Eid as well - The othe Security Officers all cooperate and we bounce around to do this. We all work together

But at times it is not always possible to do.

But we make every attempt possible - and yes for those that may ask - We exceed, and I ensure we do, the reuirements as laid out by the SCOC regarding Reasnable Accomodation for persons of any religious faith.
 
eanassir
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

And here ladies and gentlemen, is the invite...Why would you want to create, then promote a divide, about an event as significant as Ramadan.

Don't you think that contributes to the whole issue, where a Muslim should fear or hate another Muslim, more so than any infidel?


This is not any dividing; all have their breakfast and it is OK, but we acquaint them about the correct statement in the Quran. While to you it is so evident that you are sincere and want Muslims to love each other
 
CDNBear
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by Goober View Post

I have worked with people of the Muslim Faith for years - and where I work - i make very possible attempt, changing schedules etc so as to ensure they can adhere to the requirements of Ramadan - and Eid as well - The othe Security Officers all cooperate and we bounce around to do this. We all work together

But at times it is not always possible to do.

But we make every attempt possible - and yes for those that may ask - We exceed, and I ensure we do, the reuirements as laid out by the SCOC regarding Reasnable Accomodation for persons of any religious faith.

Good for you Goob's. I'm not that enlightened.

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir View Post

This is not any dividing; all have their breakfast and it is OK, but we acquaint them about the correct statement in the Quran.

And as you have already mentioned elsewhere, if they don't heed your correction, off with their head, and you defend that.

Quote:

While to you it is so evident that you are sincere and want Muslims to love each other

No, I want Islam to join us in the 21st century. If that means you stop warring between the sects, so be it.
 
eanassir
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

And as you have already mentioned elsewhere, if they don't heed your correction, off with their head, and you defend that.

I did never say that.

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

No, I want Islam to join us in the 21st century. If that means you stop warring between the sects, so be it.

And you are the representative of the 21st century and we are not, so we must follow your example

 
CDNBear
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir View Post

I did never say that.

In another thread, you made note of it, then defended it. Your accusation that one sect is not observing the Quran here, is comparable, non?

Quote:

And you are the representative of the 21st century and we are not, so we must follow your example

Not me specifically, western culture in general. Rule of law, freedom from religion and so on.

I can see how you would have an aversion to that though.
 
gerryh
#24
[QUOTE=CDNBear; Rule of law, freedom from religion and so on.

[/quote]

It's freedom OF religion, not from.
 
YukonJack
#25
What is the one word for pigging out before sunrise and after sunset?
 
gerryh
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJack View Post

What is the one word for pigging out before sunrise and after sunset?


YJ, I KNOW that you have been upset and/or offended when people have bashed the crap out of Christianity/Catholicism. Are you now putting that same hat on to do the same to Islam?
 
YukonJack
#27
gerryh, I simply asked a question!

And if I recall correctly, you have been far more upset and offended than me when someone criticized Christianity/Catholicism.
 
gerryh
+1
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJack View Post

gerryh, I simply asked a question!

And if I recall correctly, you have been far more upset and offended than me when someone criticized Christianity/Catholicism.

never said I wasn't, but that is just one reason you won't hear me bashing another religion.
 
eanassir
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by karrie View Post

I took lent very seriously this year which, in the Catholic faith, is much the same as Ramadan. I found it to be a great exercise in personal reflection. I hope you find the same in your celebration of Ramadan.

Some local Christians here fast from eating meat and animal products and they eat exclusively fruit and vegetables.

Another way of fasting by Christians is that some of them fast from morning till noon time and they eat the dinner at noon time

Some Muslims adopted this (which is not prescribed in the Quran) -- this is what they call the Fasting of Zacharia -- a habit which is not true Islamic but invented by people and it may be imitating Christians in this respect.

Another way of fasting is to fast from speaking and talking; but this is not prescribed in the Quran, but it is mentioned in the Quran that Mary mother of Christ when she gave birth to Jesus, he said to her: don't fear and don't be sad, but if you see any one of the people, then say by signs that I made a vow to God Most Gracious, so today I shall not speak anything to people.

As in the Quran 19: 23-26
فَأَجَاءهَا الْمَخَاضُ إِلَى جِذْعِ النَّخْلَةِ قَالَتْ يَا لَيْتَنِي مِتُّ قَبْلَ هَذَا وَكُنتُ نَسْيًا مَّنسِيًّا
فَنَادَاهَا مِن تَحْتِهَا أَلَّا تَحْزَنِي قَدْ جَعَلَ رَبُّكِ تَحْتَكِ سَرِيًّا
وَهُزِّي إِلَيْكِ بِجِذْعِ النَّخْلَةِ تُسَاقِطْ عَلَيْكِ رُطَبًا جَنِيًّا
فَكُلِي وَاشْرَبِي وَقَرِّي عَيْنًا فَإِمَّا تَرَيِنَّ مِنَ الْبَشَرِ أَحَدًا فَقُولِي إِنِّي نَذَرْتُ لِلرَّحْمَنِ صَوْمًا فَلَنْ أُكَلِّمَ الْيَوْمَ إِنسِيًّا

The explanation:
( And the pains of the childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palmtree; she said: "Would that I had died before this; would that I had been something forgotten."

And [when she delivered him, Jesus] called to her from below her: "Grieve not; your Lord has made beneath you[r feet] a flowing stream."

"Shake the trunk of the palm-tree toward you, and it will let fall on you culled fresh dates."

"Eat therefore, and drink, and be comforted; and if you should see any mortal, say: "I have vowed to the Most Gracious a fast, and today I will not speak to any human being.")


www.quran-ayat.com
Last edited by eanassir; Aug 13th, 2010 at 03:02 PM..
 
selin
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir View Post

Some local Christians here fast from eating meat and animal products and they eat exclusively fruit and vegetables.

Another way of fasting by Christians is that some of them fast from morning till noon time and they eat the dinner at noon time

Some Muslims adopted this (which is not prescribed in the Quran) -- this is what they call the Fasting of Zacharia -- a habit which is not true Islamic but invented by people like Sheriah and it may be imitating Christians.

i agree with you on that but don't angry with me my dear for Sheriah...
 

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