Poll: Pipelines Vs. Cannabis


View Poll Results: Are you willing to make the sacrifice for Mama Gaia for real if TMPL were stopped?
I'd give up my energy intensive indoor weed. 2 50.00%
Give up pipeline because fair is fair and that is a Canadian value you stand by? 1 25.00%
Sittin' stoned in the mornin' sun I'll be sittin' when the evenin' comes Watchin' the ships roll in? 1 25.00%
I'm an off grid eco angel and grow my own pot in a leaky left size 11 rubber boot? 0 0%
Voters: 4. You may not vote on this poll

petros
#1
Moonbats, are you willing to surrender energy intensive indoor marijuana if AB and SK surrender the fight for tidewater pipelines?
 
Hoid
#2
What is the "tidewater" thing anyway?

It is some sort of buzz word or something.
 
petros
#3
Could go brackish on the Fraser Delta if you'd like.
 
petros
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

What is the "tidewater" thing anyway?
It is some sort of buzz word or something.

Are you willing to give up all indoor pot?
 
Hoid
+1
#5
I am the guy who wonders why they grow indoors in the first place

Since its legal why would you do that over growing outdoors?

It's ridiculous
 
Soldier
#6
Tank K2 in South Korea Army so I did not vote in the poll.

 
Soldier
#7
Not best poll choose.
 
petros
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

I am the guy who wonders why they grow indoors in the first place
Since its legal why would you do that over growing outdoors?
It's ridiculous

Climate and quality.
 
taxslave
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

I am the guy who wonders why they grow indoors in the first place
Since its legal why would you do that over growing outdoors?
It's ridiculous

Because it is easier to control
 
taxslave
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

I am the guy who wonders why they grow indoors in the first place
Since its legal why would you do that over growing outdoors?
It's ridiculous

Because it is easier to control . Do your parents make you grow outside?
 
Hoid
#11
Its funny that they set up the market the same way in Colorado and after about a year the price of weed cratered as the outdoor weed flooded the market.

I imagine that tobacco is grown indoors now as well...
 
petros
#12
Funny how Colorado is 10 hrs south of the 49th
 
NZDoug
#13
I like the idea of converting the pipeline to hash oil.
Better returns.
The boogie man fan tor could be high tho.
 
spilledthebeer
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

I am the guy who wonders why they grow indoors in the first place

Since its legal why would you do that over growing outdoors?

It's ridiculous




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OH HOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You have OUT DONE yourself in the foolish comment contest today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Marijuana is a TROPICAL PLANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It does NOT LIKE SNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


It does not grow well in cold!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hence - year round production of thd Weed in Canada requires that it be grown indoors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


But it is QUITE OBVIOUS that growing masses of tropical plants indoors in Canada WILL BE ENERGY INTENSIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But the Weed Biz is just another example of LIE-beral HYPOCRISY on environmental issues!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals fuss over oil tankers on the west coast ...................................


and then SHRUG OFF a plan to DUMP SIXTY TWO MILLION LITRES of "treated waste" into east coast Northumberland Strait!!!!!!!!!!!


Of course LIE-beals assure us that the treated waste now has MUCH LOWER levels of toxic chemicals and heavy metals than it used too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But there is no hiding the fact that the treated waste will be discharged at a temperature of 67 degrees celcius!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Of course LIE-berals also assure us the toxicity of the treated waste will be swiftly "diluted" by the ocean - mere metres from the outflow pipe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And does that LIE-beral EXCUSE SOUND JUST LIKE THE EXCUSE LIE-berals are using to justify dumping sewage off shore from places like Vancouver and Victoria??????????????


Why yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The DOUBLE DEALING HYPOCRITE LIE-beral ASSURANCES ARE THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are frantically telling us that the window for saving the world environment is rapidly CLOSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And oh dear- THAT IS A LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The window that is closing is the one LIE-berals have been trying to climb through in hope of finding their political future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Sadly - for people like HOID- LIE-berals HAVE NO FUTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As Wynne-bag and her seven political Dwarves have proven- LIE-berals will NEVER entirely die out- but they CAN And will BE KICKED TO THE CURB - once they have told enough insulting LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy and his Environment Minister Climate Brbie have told so many whoppers about jobs, the environment, immigration-illegal and other wise and about debt that their time is nearly DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
taxslave
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Its funny that they set up the market the same way in Colorado and after about a year the price of weed cratered as the outdoor weed flooded the market.
I imagine that tobacco is grown indoors now as well...

When tobacco is made illegal, which judging by the current anti smoking laws may be soon it will have a high enough value to grow indoors.
 
MHz
#16
What is the alternative cash crop?
 
Hoid
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

When tobacco is made illegal, which judging by the current anti smoking laws may be soon it will have a high enough value to grow indoors.

Indoor growing is a dinosaur.

It no longer makes any sense.

A single farmer on the prairies could grow enough weed in a season to supply Canada for 5 years.
 
bill barilko
+1
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Indoor growing is a dinosaur.It no longer makes any sense. A single farmer on the prairies could grow enough weed in a season to supply Canada for 5 years.

In bulk Yes but no one will buy the kind of low grade crud that's produced outdoors on subarctic plains.

FYI-A lab environment mean everything is controllable and plants are generally perfect as are their flowers and it's the flowers that bring cash.
 
Hoid
#19
and nobody will buy apples that are grown outside. Or corn. Or tobacco...
 
bill barilko
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

and nobody will buy apples that are grown outside. Or corn. Or tobacco...

You still don't understand then scale-an indoor area of 40'x 40' can grow thousands and thousands of dollars worth of Marijuana buds every few months-Maize needs space as does tree fruit.

In fact this is the future of agriculture right here-No sunlight, no soil, no problem
 
spilledthebeer
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

When tobacco is made illegal, which judging by the current anti smoking laws may be soon it will have a high enough value to grow indoors.


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NO NEED to make tobacco illegal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Natives on both sides of the U.S./Cdn border are now operating WAY BEYOND the law on producing tobacco and cigarettes anyway!!!!!!!!




Tax-free cigarettes adding to Ontario's contraband problem

CHRISTINE VAN GEYN, Special to the Toronto Sun
First posted: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 08:59 PM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 09:02 PM EDT. Toronto Sun files


Premier Kathleen Wynne knows that contraband cigarettes are a problem in Ontario — costing her government millions each year in lost revenues. But her tough talk doesn’t match her actions.

Let’s start with the tough talk. This past January she announced a whole new department within the Ontario Provincial Police just to deal with contraband smokes. Will it work? Maybe, maybe not. By itself, this probably won’t make the problem worse.

But what of her actions? A month after announcing the new OPP task force on contraband, the Wynne government hiked tobacco taxes by $3 a carton, making illegal cigarettes that much more attractive.

And then there’s the real kicker, the Ontario government allocates millions of tax-free cigarettes to smoke shacks on reserves for sale to Status Indians. In fact, they allocate so many cigarettes to reserves that it’s likely only 122 million out of 435 million cigarettes allocated to reserves are sold to Status Indians.

The leftovers? Sold illegally.

It sounds crazy, but it’s true. The Canadian Taxpayers Federation (CTF) has obtained documents through a Freedom of Information request that shows that Ontario Cigarette Allocation System is sending so many tax-free cigarettes to Ontario reserves that to be consumed legally, every smoker on a reserve over the age of 15 would have to smoke 61 cigarettes a day, every day.

It is painfully clear from these numbers that huge quantities of cigarettes from the government allocation system are being sold illegally to people who are not Status Indians. This fact is even more obvious when billboards for “smoke shacks” and “tax free smokes” are found throughout reservations.

Indeed, based on the government’s own numbers, the CTF estimates that last year, at minimum 47% and possibly upwards of 72% of all sales of tax-exempt government allocated tobacco were made illegally to people who were not Status Indians.

As for the recent tax hikes, there is a relationship between increased tax rates for tobacco and increased contraband. As tobacco taxes have risen, so has the incentive to smuggle, produce and sell tobacco illegally in order to avoid taxes.

The CTF also estimates that in 2014-15 alone, the overall contraband tobacco trade in Ontario cost the federal and provincial governments up to $1.22 billion in lost tax revenue. Over the past eight years, the total tax loss is as high as $9.2 billion.

To make up that tax hole, Wynne turns to hard-working Ontario families with plans like taxing home heating fuels, hiking gasoline taxes, and now possibly even applying a double land-transfer tax for homes outside of Toronto.

Law enforcement is a component in the fight against contraband, but doubling down on enforcement without changing the underlying conditions that fuel the contraband tobacco trade is throwing good money after bad.

One of the simplest steps to fight contraband would be to reduce the number of tax-free government allocated cigarettes given to aboriginal reserves.

The Ontario government should reduce the allocation amount by half, and then conduct a followup investigation to determine if further reductions are necessary.

This is a more sensible — and far less costly — solution than continuing to spend new money on enforcement measures while simultaneously hiking the taxes that drive consumers to the black market. It’s a solution that Wynne needs to consider if she is serious about fighting the black market in cigarettes, getting back some of those lost tax dollars, and keeping cigarettes out of the hands of children.

— Christine Van Geyn is the Ontario director for the Canadian Taxpayers Federation
 
taxslave
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Indoor growing is a dinosaur.
It no longer makes any sense.
A single farmer on the prairies could grow enough weed in a season to supply Canada for 5 years.

Perhaps. THe question is would anyone except government buy it? Growing pot properly is about quality, not quanity.Also different strains are for different markets and are not necessarily compatible.
 
taxslave
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

================================================== ================================================== ====
NO NEED to make tobacco illegal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Natives on both sides of the U.S./Cdn border are now operating WAY BEYOND the law on producing tobacco and cigarettes anyway!!!!!!!!




Tax-free cigarettes adding to Ontario's contraband problem

CHRISTINE VAN GEYN, Special to the Toronto Sun
First posted: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 08:59 PM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 09:02 PM EDT. Toronto Sun files
Premier Kathleen Wynne knows that contraband cigarettes are a problem in Ontario — costing her government millions each year in lost revenues. But her tough talk doesn’t match her actions.
Let’s start with the tough talk. This past January she announced a whole new department within the Ontario Provincial Police just to deal with contraband smokes. Will it work? Maybe, maybe not. By itself, this probably won’t make the problem worse.
But what of her actions? A month after announcing the new OPP task force on contraband, the Wynne government hiked tobacco taxes by $3 a carton, making illegal cigarettes that much more attractive.
And then there’s the real kicker, the Ontario government allocates millions of tax-free cigarettes to smoke shacks on reserves for sale to Status Indians. In fact, they allocate so many cigarettes to reserves that it’s likely only 122 million out of 435 million cigarettes allocated to reserves are sold to Status Indians.
The leftovers? Sold illegally.
It sounds crazy, but it’s true. The Canadian Taxpayers Federation (CTF) has obtained documents through a Freedom of Information request that shows that Ontario Cigarette Allocation System is sending so many tax-free cigarettes to Ontario reserves that to be consumed legally, every smoker on a reserve over the age of 15 would have to smoke 61 cigarettes a day, every day.
It is painfully clear from these numbers that huge quantities of cigarettes from the government allocation system are being sold illegally to people who are not Status Indians. This fact is even more obvious when billboards for “smoke shacks” and “tax free smokes” are found throughout reservations.
Indeed, based on the government’s own numbers, the CTF estimates that last year, at minimum 47% and possibly upwards of 72% of all sales of tax-exempt government allocated tobacco were made illegally to people who were not Status Indians.
As for the recent tax hikes, there is a relationship between increased tax rates for tobacco and increased contraband. As tobacco taxes have risen, so has the incentive to smuggle, produce and sell tobacco illegally in order to avoid taxes.
The CTF also estimates that in 2014-15 alone, the overall contraband tobacco trade in Ontario cost the federal and provincial governments up to $1.22 billion in lost tax revenue. Over the past eight years, the total tax loss is as high as $9.2 billion.
To make up that tax hole, Wynne turns to hard-working Ontario families with plans like taxing home heating fuels, hiking gasoline taxes, and now possibly even applying a double land-transfer tax for homes outside of Toronto.
Law enforcement is a component in the fight against contraband, but doubling down on enforcement without changing the underlying conditions that fuel the contraband tobacco trade is throwing good money after bad.
One of the simplest steps to fight contraband would be to reduce the number of tax-free government allocated cigarettes given to aboriginal reserves.
The Ontario government should reduce the allocation amount by half, and then conduct a followup investigation to determine if further reductions are necessary.
This is a more sensible — and far less costly — solution than continuing to spend new money on enforcement measures while simultaneously hiking the taxes that drive consumers to the black market. It’s a solution that Wynne needs to consider if she is serious about fighting the black market in cigarettes, getting back some of those lost tax dollars, and keeping cigarettes out of the hands of children.
— Christine Van Geyn is the Ontario director for the Canadian Taxpayers Federation

Or the Ontario government could just get their greedy little snouts out of the marketplace. Presto, contraband problem is solved. Bonus is several thousand government employees can be laid off.
 
MHz
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

A single farmer on the prairies could grow enough weed in a season to supply Canada for 5 years.

You are thinking of hemp. The abandoned mines in Flin Flon would produce better pot and none would stolen. You want to fence off Sask.?? Under water grow ops in Canada's swamp would make us a world supplier.

The hemp crop would be worth money BTW.
 
DaSleeper
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Indoor growing is a dinosaur.

It no longer makes any sense.

A single farmer on the prairies could grow enough weed in a season to supply Canada for 5 years.

Indoor growing is about quality control for the different types of Cannabis .
It's not just about rolling up a weed to get high!
Food and drug inspectors are gonna be busy......
 
MHz
#26
. . . so will the other smokers and when it goes 'poof' it won't be going up in smoke. Who would have thunked that Panama Red was actually a Canadian off his meds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ix39AKlQac
 
DaSleeper
+1
#27
Anyone here make any sense out of post # 26?
 
Hoid
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Perhaps. THe question is would anyone except government buy it? Growing pot properly is about quality, not quanity.Also different strains are for different markets and are not necessarily compatible.

you understand that weed is cloned right?

it makes no difference where you grow it.
 
taxslave
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

you understand that weed is cloned right?
it makes no difference where you grow it.

Wanna bet your paper route money on it Sonny?
The problem with letting school kids play on an adult forum. They think they know something.
 
Kreskin
#30
How about making a marijuana pipeline from BC to Alberta?
 

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