Quebec criticizes western oil but province residents buying more gasoline and SUVs


petros
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And Trudeau said the other day "There currently are no new markets for Canadian oil other than the US"

I'll believe that when Canada and Trudeau's "better than the rest" Quebec is oil self-reliant and Quebec isn't making American and Algeria great again.

MONTREAL—Quebec’s premier is quick to reject “dirty” oil from Western Canada in favour of hydro power, but new data indicate the province’s citizens are buying record amounts of gasoline and increasingly purchasing trucks and bigger homes.

Quebecers are widely seen across the country as environmentally conscious, but per capita, they are some of the highest consumers of energy on the planet, according to a report prepared by researchers at Universite de Montreal’s business school.

Premier François Legault recently provoked the ire of western Canadians when he reminded journalists how there was “no social acceptability” in his province for a “dirty energy” pipeline from Alberta.

His comments drew rebukes from pundits and western leaders such as Alberta Premier Rachel Notley, who said Legault “needs to get off his high horse.”

Professor Pierre-Olivier Pineau, co-author of the report on energy use in Quebec, said people have a point when they criticize the province for its public stance on fossil fuels compared to the behaviours of its citizens.

“Yes, there is a certain degree of hypocrisy in all humans, and obviously, with regards to certain positions that Quebecers take (on energy), there is some hypocrisy there.” Pineau said in an interview.

Quebecers do have some bragging rights, however, when it comes to green living, he explained.

Per capita carbon emissions in Quebec are the lowest in the country, Pineau said, and the province has decreased its overall emissions by 11 per cent since 1990.

But that success is less attributed to choice and more to circumstance, Pineau explained.

“One hundred per cent of electricity in Quebec is from renewable resources,” he said. “Also, Quebecers are less rich than other Canadians, meaning they consume less energy, have less cars.”

But the automobiles Quebecers do drive are increasingly gas-guzzling, according his report.

Sales of vehicles such as trucks, SUVs and pickups in Quebec increased by 246 per cent between 1990 and 2017 and gasoline sales jumped 33 per cent during the same period. Every year since 2015, sales of those types of vehicles have overtaken car sales.

“Among the 3.7 million Quebecers who had a job in 2016 and who worked away from home, 78 per cent said they primarily used a personal vehicle to get there,” the report noted.

And the report indicated that between 1990 and 2016, the average surface area of a home in the province increased by 17 per cent.

Moreover, on a per-capita basis, Quebecers consume significantly more energy than the global average, as well as citizens in countries such as China and Germany — and almost as much as in United States.

And while Pineau’s report suggests Quebecers should boast less about their environmental credentials, it also slays a common line of attack against the province.

Following Legault’s “dirty” oil comments, news organizations and social media platforms were filled with comments about Quebec’s hypocrisy for accepting foreign oil from human rights-abusing countries while rejecting western energy.

The report, however, indicates as of June 2018, 94 per cent of oil in Quebec came either from the United States or Canada.

Since 2015, Enbridge’s Line 9B pipeline reversal has helped ensure that 53 per of the oil consumed in Quebec comes from western Canada — compared to roughly 10 per cent in 2014.
The rhetoric from Quebec leaders and activists, as well as the policies of the federal government, are alienating western Canadians, said Maxime Bernier, leader of the People’s Party of Canada.

Bernier, who quit the Conservative party to start his own last September, said Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s inability to get a pipeline built is contributing to the deep discount of Canadian oil sales and frustration among citizens in the West.

“Yes, (alienation) is real,” Bernier said in an interview with The Canadian Press. “I was there in Alberta. I feel it. People feel rejected by Trudeau’s policies. They feel misunderstood by traditional politicians.”

https://www.thestar.com/amp/news/can...port-says.html
Last edited by petros; Dec 17th, 2018 at 01:28 PM..
 
taxslave
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And fortunately for Quebec there is no social acceptability in the West to send transfer payments.
 
petros
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At least they started using Newfoundland oil and replaced Algerian oil with American.
 
B00Mer
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The FROGS hate Alberta Oil, but sure love the 10 billion a year in Alberta transfer payments.

Section 36 under the Canadian Constitution, we need to stop transfer payments and let the East Freeze in the Dark.

Still think Alberta becoming the 51st state is the best option for Albertans.. oh and when BC wants to cross Alberta for power, oil and other resources.. tax the fukk out of them.

https://www.quora.com/What-if-the-Ca...the-51st-state
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

The FROGS hate Alberta Oil, but sure love the 10 billion a year in Alberta transfer payments.
Section 36 under the Canadian Constitution, we need to stop transfer payments and let the East Freeze in the Dark.
Still think Alberta becoming the 51st state is the best option for Albertans.. oh and when BC wants to cross Alberta for power, oil and other resources.. tax the fukk out of them.
https://www.quora.com/What-if-the-Ca...the-51st-state

Be better as an independent country.
 
MHz
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With Boomer as the dictator?? No thanks. You can hang with Boomer.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

The FROGS hate Alberta Oil, but sure love the 10 billion a year in Alberta transfer payments.
Section 36 under the Canadian Constitution, we need to stop transfer payments and let the East Freeze in the Dark.
Still think Alberta becoming the 51st state is the best option for Albertans.. oh and when BC wants to cross Alberta for power, oil and other resources.. tax the fukk out of them.
https://www.quora.com/What-if-the-Ca...the-51st-state

Republic of Western Canada. A Constitutional Republic rather than a shit democracy.

Alberta, Saskatchewan Manitoba Yukon and make NWT the Province of Polaris.
 
MHz
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You forgot BC. The list doesn't have to leave to become the powerhouse. We have the energy and the food and hardy any border crossings for those goods. Which side do you want to be on in a trade siege. The transfer payments are theft or payments to welfare states, take your choice, both are blights.
If we all die of 'starvation' I hope somebody other that Ottawa looks into it. The place is already run like Porky has been running the Ukraine so don't say it could never happen as it the same as the 1930's there. Martial Law for 30 days just when the fields have been harvested and wanting to impress NATO what would you do, Komrade-23978.
 
Twin_Moose
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This reporter says Albertans jut don't understand

A letter from Quebec to my friends in Alberta

Oh and the transfer payments are basically Quebec repaying themselves SMFH
 
MHz
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You do know why only Quebec was allowed to vote in their separation vote, Right?? The rest of Canada would have given Quebec back to France (and Ontario back to Scotland).
 
MHz
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I’ve always thought Albertans are the most Québécois of Canadians. You’re emotional, your choices aren’t always logical, you get your back up when attacked and you’re quick to act. And you mistrust Ottawa and its big paws almost as much as we do. When the federal government starts to long for areas of provincial jurisdiction, as it recently did for a national securities commission,
I highly doubt it. Family relationships are emotional events, business matters are not. Trying to cosy up without an invitation only raise a question mark as to what your intentions are.

You’re angry, I get it. The low price of oil is a drag on your economy. It sells at a discount to the Americans, because there are no outlets to foreign markets that would allow for a better price. You’ve lost 100,000 jobs in the energy sector in three years, to the point where your government hopes to buy 7,000 rail cars to get the oil out by rail.
Most of the imported workers go back to their original Provinces and the other core industries chug along at their normal speed, about the same as hay grows'. So what, the bulk of the money went out of Province anyway, good thing the money sent home wasn't tracked and taken out of the transfer payments, you forgot to mention that so your knowledge base is lacking some info.

Since then, our consumption of Canadian oil has exploded. In 2017, according to Quebec’s department of finance, 47.6 per cent of the oil consumed in our province came from Alberta. That’s not an anomaly. The Chair in energy sector management at Montreal’s HEC business school, in his most recent update published a few days ago, shows that in June 2018 53 per cent of our oil came from the West.
At this pace, Quebec will have consumed 70 million barrels of Alberta oil in 2018 — 53 per cent of the 137 million barrels consumed in total every year. At an approximate average price of $50 for Western Canada Select in 2017, that represents $3.5 billion. Not bad for a province that’s supposed to be at the origin of all Alberta’s problems. I know, Legault could have started by saying that, but…
You should have been at 100% decades ago but then that would have tied into the only rail cars coming from the west was grain that Ontario and Quebec then sold to international buyers, you must remember those good old days, No??

Another thing, Alberta friends: you’d be nice—and more factually correct—to stop saying Quebec gets its fuel from dubious sources like Saudi Arabia. It’s false. Not a drop of our oil has come from that country since 2006. And between 1990 and 2006, the quantities were minimal — in 2006, it was less than 0.5 million barrels. It’s been 30 years that Saudi Arabia has been a drop in the bucket of Quebec oil consumption.
Our most important source, after Alberta, is the United States, with 40 per cent of our imports. That leaves barely 7 per cent for Algeria and the United Kingdom.
Really??
https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/nelson-canada-sure-loves-its-foreign-oil-imports
What do the United States, Saudi Arabia, Azerbaijan, Norway, Nigeria, the United Kingdom, Angola, Russia, Colombia, Kazakhstan, Oman, Ghana, the Ivory Coast and Trinidad and Tobago all have in common? (And no, it isn’t that they all beat Canada’s curlers at the Olympics.)
The correct answer is that this diverse collection of nations all managed to export crude oil to our shores in 2017.
On average, each and every day over the previous year, we imported 670,000 barrels of oil into our country. About half came from the U.S., with the next biggest share arising from that bastion of all that’s good and fair in the world of civil liberties and female emancipation, Saudi Arabia.
Oh, but in third spot, we saw the rise of a relative newcomer in selling oil to the Canucks, that being Azerbaijan.
And what, pray tell, is the story behind this rapid rise up the ultra-competitive Canadian oil import league? What’s going on in those far-off fields in a place so unknown to most of us, it’s possible our prime minister himself still hasn’t a collection of its national ceremonial clothing?
Well, this is what a human rights organization wrote recently about the latest happy happenings in the Azerbaijan energy industry.
Under the rather cumbersome phrase of “the effects of oil and gas production on the environment and human health: comparative evaluation,” we are told of “human rights abuses and environmental pollution by companies in the oil sector in Azerbaijan. Reported human rights abuses include workplace discrimination, illegal termination of contracts, health and safety violations and sexual harassment.”
Seems perfectly logical we’d take oil from this bunch rather than, perish the thought, accepting crude from those dreadful knuckle-draggers out there in Alberta.
But the head scratching doesn’t just end with the location of these oil exporters. There’s also the method of delivery involved for these 670,000-a-day barrels. Now remember, it was Quebec that fought so hard against the planned Energy East pipeline that was due to take crude from Alberta through that province and onto New Brunswick refineries.
So obviously they wouldn’t want any oil being delivered by pipeline. Think again, folks. This is Canada, after all.
Yes, according to the recent figures released by the National Energy Board, both Ontario and Quebec refineries do indeed import a lot of crude oil by pipeline from the U.S.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...nada-1.4776618
U.S. could easily cover Saudi oil imports to Canada, says Judith Dwarkin of RS Energy Group
The Canadian Press · Posted: Aug 07, 2018 1:25 PM MT | Last Updated: August 7



Eastern Canadian refineries import about 75,000 to 80,000 barrels per day of Saudi Arabian crude, said Judith Dwarkin, chief economist with RS Energy Group in Calgary, on Tuesday.
That's less than 10 per cent of total imports and amounts to a "drop in the bucket" compared with the United States, she said, which accounts for two-thirds of imports and could easily cover Saudi's share thanks to growing domestic production.


16.1 Million metric tonnes imported, are we just importing oil we sold to them??




And I haven’t yet mentioned the need to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions in Canada to hit our Paris Accord targets, the only way to ensure there’ll still be a planet in a few years. Otherwise, dear friends, how will we be able to keep arguing about equalization and pipelines? It would be as regrettable as giving up maple syrup.


Global cooling is the new 'key-word'.
 
petros
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Where does Newfie oil go?
 
MHz
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If it is like their exported power it goes to Quebec who jacks up the price and then sells it to the US.
 

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