USA - Russia another cold war?


Blackleaf
#121
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Britian had a "Depression" government fixated on tight money.
So did we.

It's the same now. In fact, every British Tory Government is one which tightens the belt and reduces spending. That's because a Tory Government always takes over from a Labour Government which has left us in debt.
 
Curious Cdn
#122
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

It's the same now. In fact, every British Tory Government is one which tightens the belt and reduces spending. That's because a Tory Government always takes over from a Labour Government which has left us in debt.

No, no. It was much more severe than that in the pre-Kensyan world. It wasn't merely restricting expenditures, they restricted the money supply itsself and that lead to global human misery. The crash of 2007 could have ended up that a too but lessons have been learned and expenditures and the money supply went up as stimulous, not down as Calvinism. Our Socialist/Capitalist hybrid system dates from the dirty thirties and it evolved to prevent the sort of catastrophic economic and human failure. Hitler understood how to use stimulous. Arms production (and mighty civil works) brought Termany back to life. The Tories in Britain and the Liberals in Ottawa had nary a clue about it. The Democrats down on the US were starting to get the idea, though.
 
Blackleaf
#123
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

No, no. It was much more severe than that in the pre-Kensyan world. It wasn't merely restricting expenditures, they restricted the money supply itsself and that lead to global human misery. The crash of 2007 could have ended up that a too but lessons have been learned and expenditures and the money supply went up as stimulous, not down as Calvinism. Our Socialist/Capitalist hybrid system dates from the dirty thirties and it evolved to prevent the sort of catastrophic economic and human failure. Hitler understood how to use stimulous. Arms production (and mighty civil works) brought Termany back to life. The Tories in Britain and the Liberals in Ottawa had nary a clue about it. The Democrats down on the US were starting to get the idea, though.

Well the Nazis believed that war is the primary engine of human progress and believed that the main purpose of a country's economy should be to allow that country to fight wars of expansion. That's why the Nazis embarked on their vast rearmament program as soon as they came to power in 1933.

The British Government of the time didn't believe that the main purpose of a country's economy is to enable that country to fight wars, so didn't undertake the massive rearmament that the Nazis did.
 
Curious Cdn
#124
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Well the Nazis believed that war is the primary engine of human progress and believed that the main purpose of a country's economy should be to allow that country to fight wars of expansion. That's why the Nazis embarked on their vast rearmament program as soon as they came to power in 1933.
The British Government of the time didn't believe that the main purpose of a country's economy is to enable that country to fight wars, so didn't undertake the massive rearmament that the Nazis did.

The Americans still stimulate their economy on a regular basis with defence spending. They use it to subsidize sectors of their economy but, hey-ho if any other country stimulates sectors of THEIR economies, they're Commies who UNFAIRLY hurt AMERICA by not letting Americans have free reign in their economies.
 
spilledthebeer
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#125
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Britain had a Tory Government in 1937.


Neville Chamberlain WAS LEADER OF LABOUR PARTY and he was elected as PM in May 1937!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So Chamberlain is the guy who allowed the Royal Air Force the weapons it needed to defend the country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And in 1936- it was LABOUR PARTY that KILLED ANY HOPE of expanding or improving the British army!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Britain spent 1936 debating what to do while the strategists sweated over western weakness- and then the Tory govt fell to Labour over military matters and costs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And it was Chamberlain that convinced Britain that he could negotiate peace so he went to Munich in 1938 to meet with Hitler and arranged "Peace in our Time" with Hitler!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And how well did that LIE-beral Appeasement work out??????????????



And as I said- many of those civil service union Hogs later PAID FOR THEIR RAISES with their LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And all the while our own LIE-beral prime minister Mackenzie King was telling us that "Hitler was a a dour but basically good man who was bringing some much needed hope and discipline to the German people"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hitler could have been shut down at LOW COST in the early stages if LIE-berals had not got in the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


There was no need to put the whole world into war just to deal with Fascists.............any more than there is a need to plunge the whole world into war against Radical Islam- the fascist movement of the 21st century!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
 
Blackleaf
#126
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

Neville Chamberlain WAS LEADER OF LABOUR PARTY and he was elected as PM in May 1937!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Neville Chamberlain became leader of the Conservative Party on 27th May 1937 and became Prime Minister on 28th May 1937. He took over both roles from Stanley Baldwin, who was Prime Minister three times and the only British Prime Minister to have served under three monarchs (George V, Edward VIII and George VI).

As for Chamberlain's policy of appeasement, it was a policy which was very much supported by both parliament and the British people who were still getting over the devastating trauma of World War I.
 
spilledthebeer
#127
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

No, no. It was much more severe than that in the pre-Kensyan world. It wasn't merely restricting expenditures, they restricted the money supply itsself and that lead to global human misery. The crash of 2007 could have ended up that a too but lessons have been learned and expenditures and the money supply went up as stimulous, not down as Calvinism. Our Socialist/Capitalist hybrid system dates from the dirty thirties and it evolved to prevent the sort of catastrophic economic and human failure. Hitler understood how to use stimulous. Arms production (and mighty civil works) brought Termany back to life. The Tories in Britain and the Liberals in Ottawa had nary a clue about it. The Democrats down on the US were starting to get the idea, though.


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POOR STUPID Curious Cdn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Trying to DISTRACT us with crap about bank stimulus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


In 1921- Britain abandoned a 500 year old policy - to maintain a navy that was THE EQUAL IN SIZE AND QUALITY TO THAT OF ANY TWO POTENTIAL ENEMIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



That British choice was seen by Fascists as the first MAJOR SIGN of western weakness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The "decadent" west wanted butter and not guns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



In 1925- Britain, France, Italy, United States and Japan signed the now forgotten Five Five Three naval treaty -intended to FREEZE battleship numbers and avoid another costly arms race between the major powers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Germany was not included as the Treaty of Versailles already limited German forces!


Both Italians and Japanese REFUSED to consider limitations on submarines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Japan refused to discuss limitations on aircraft carriers- this in the time just about when Billy Mitchell started demonstrating naval air power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



So the Treaty was signed and Japan immediately began building the worlds biggest fleet of aircraft carriers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Japan hedged its bets by building the biggest submarine fleet on the planet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And then the Japanese built Yamato and Kongo- the two biggest battleships ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Italian efforts were more modest- they only wanted control of Mediterranean Sea- and only needed to defeat that portion of the British fleet operating there!!!!!!!!!!


So Italy signed the 5-5-3 treaty and immediately SCRAPPED most of its fleet- and replaced it with ULTRA MODERN weapons better than anything the British had!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the West shrugged off all this weapon building and that was seen by the Fascists as a HUGE SIGN OF WEAKNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And then Hitler re-occupied the Rhineland- that was another sign of western weakness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the re-arming of Nazi Germany while the west shuddered in horror was another sign of weakness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the "Peace in Our time" bought by British Labour party- by surrendering Czechoslovakia to Hitler was another sign of weakness!


LIE-berals from around the world urged the west to "negotiate" with the Fascists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And in the end the west WAS FORCED to fight- using quickly trained armies with crappy weapons against well trained and experienced professional soldiers with better weapons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And now we have the modern "fascists" of Russia, China. Iran and North Korea pushing at us because they think we can be intimidated- thanks to the political madness of LIE-berals like Our idiot Boy Justin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Justin Trudeau is doing a MUCH BETTER JOB OF SELLING US OUT than Neville Chamberlain did at Munich!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Our idiot Boy has not just disarmed us completely- he has also LET THE ENEMY INTO CANADA- by letting al sorts of illegals and others such as ISIS fighters- with proven hostility to all things western- come here to vote in our elections and influence our policies !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-beral policy is ALREADY SO POISONED that LIE-berals are sending Cdn aid to terror group Hamas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Our idiot Boy thinks China would be a better/safer ally for us than United States or Britain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And Our idiot Boy has allowed Chinese spies of Huawei to install their technology here so they can sabotage things like our power grid and hospital records and stock markets and banking information- and much of our communications system - if needed in time of war - or under threat of war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Hoid
#128
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Neville Chamberlain became leader of the Conservative Party on 27th May 1937 and became Prime Minister on 28th May 1937. He took over both roles from Stanley Baldwin, who was Prime Minister three times and the only British Prime Minister to have served under three monarchs (George V, Edward VIII and George VI).

As for Chamberlain's policy of appeasement, it was a policy which was very much supported by both parliament and the British people who were still getting over the devastating trauma of World War I.

The British government and people have a history of poor decision making based on self delusion.
 
MHz
#129
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

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I see you are back to lots of fluff and very little content, that not work out for you when you left the bullshit behind a few posts back for once?? lol


These are the only 'Russians' we need to fear. Wonder how the people made out or did they all become politicians??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KRpeizFSYY

http://patriotrising.com/cias-illega...-secret-files/

The records “rewrite the history” of the CIA’s covert and illegal MKUltra project, according to researcher John Greenewald Jr who spent almost 20 years trying to obtain the documents

DISTURBING details of secret mind-control experiments carried out by the CIA have been revealed in newly released documents – that officials have been trying to hide for decades.
The new documents, released under the Freedom of Information Act, reveal how the CIA experimented on both humans and animals using drugs, hypnosis and electronic devices as part of the top secret – and illegal – mind control project MKUltra.
Shockingly the swathes of information still missing or redacted in the records could mean the CIA is STILL carrying out the experiments to this day, according to experts.


That would be so fitting if the ones that received the 'studies done in our northern communities' went to the Clinton Foundation. No big deal about killing may people, avoiding paying taxes on the money they sold the studies for is a big deal, a very, very big deal as it is theft from the World Banks and they do not know what the word 'repent' means. JT gives to that same charity so having his nuts in a vice might take the smile away long enough to see what he is really made of. Now id Israel would just throw Bibi under a bus the world can get back to being honest fuk-uos rather than being lying fuk-ups, the one that causes the least amount of damage is the one you want to be in charge when you are in the group that will suffer when things go wrong.


Will Walnut stand proud and tall when all 'capitalists' are told to report to a certain destination for 'an interview'? Not a hope in hell, that the day he reveals he was an undercover socialist due to (insert groveling lie).
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spilledthebeer
#130
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

The British government and people have a history of poor decision making based on self delusion.


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OH HOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You reveal your LIE-beral ARROGANCE at every turn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Sneering at ordinary people frightened by war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But hey- once they realized the DIRTY nature of their enemy they plunged right in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes- they took the PLUNGE AFTER their Labour/ meaning NDP style govt - STOPPED LYING TO THEM ABOUT NATIONAL SECURITY



And our Cdn LIE-beral prime minster Mackenzie King MET- ONE ON ONE WITH HITLER in 1936 -in Munich and while Hitler was on a podium shrieking "Germany will forge its future in blood and iron"....................


King was back in Canada telling our parliament that Hitler "was a dour but basically good man, giving the German people some much needed hope and discipline"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


One must not blame people for seeking honest and peaceful solutions to problems!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But NOBODY EVER ASKED HITLER "How much blood will be needed with that iron"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Even AFTER Czechoslovakia was swallowed up- the British Labour govt DID NOT re- arm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And neither did the Cdn LIE-beral govt see anything disturbing about Hitler!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Not until after Poland as invaded did LIE-berals decide that maybe Hitler was a threat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And while Poland was being chopped up- the French launched a "major offensive" on the German border that resulted in 17 dead in about at many weeks of fighting in "THE PHONEY WAR"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I certainly would NOT have wanted to be one of the 17 - nor would I wish to be one of the wounded either.......but it is CLEAR the LIE-beral/peace-nik ROT STARTED AT the top!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



We Cdns have NO NEED to go attack anybody but we DO have a right and a NEED to defend ourselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And having a govt that REFUSES TO DEPORT CONVICTED TERRORISTS, that WELCOMES HOME Isis fighters who they expect



will be a powerful voice in Canada, who sends foreign aid to terror group Hamas, which IGNORES swarms of organized crime figures



laundering BILLIONS of dirty dollars in Cdn casinos and real estate while ordinary Cdns have a hard time getting a roof over their



heads, which hands out tens of millions of dollars in blood money to Jihadists inconvenienced by things like being on the "no fly" list- is NOT the kind of govt that will retain LONG TERM SUPPORT from Cdn voters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Which is WHY Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals are scrambling to spew as much Fake News as they can as fast as they can!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals now live in TERROR of the rage of the silent majority!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!