Ottawa will punish Alberta with a higher carbon tax than Quebec: Montreal Economic In


B00Mer
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Ottawa will punish Alberta with a higher carbon tax than Quebec: Montreal Economic Institute



A detailed research report by the Montreal Economic Institute (MEI) titled “The Cumulative Impact of Harmful Policies” [PDF] indicates that if a federal carbon tax were to be implemented in Alberta, the province will end up paying 50 per cent more than Quebec.

In full the 60 page document examines the various factors impacting Canada’s energy sector with a particular interest in Alberta.

“There are no valid reasons that justify a carbon tax being 50% higher than the de facto rate currently in effect in Quebec’s cap & trade system, as Alberta’s $30 carbon tax is—and even less to justify it being about twice as high as in Quebec, as the federal tax will be by 2022,” claimed the study.

After being elected, UCP Premier Jason Kenney has indicated his opposition to the province’s $30 a tonne carbon tax implemented by former Premier Rachel Notley.

Currently the province of Quebec has a cap and trade system in effect which was introduced in 2012. The program which has collected $831.44 million in revenue for the government in 2018 currently costs polluters $20.82 a tonne.

Out of all of the provinces in Canada only Quebec has opted for the cap and trade program as a way to reduce carbon emissions. For a brief period in 2018 Ontario was also part of the program until it was cancelled on July 3rd.

As the report indicates by the year 2022, the federal carbon tax for Alberta would be roughly double the amount Quebec has to pay. According to MEI analysts Jean Michaud and Germain Belzile the discrepancy is unjustified.

“To be blunt, there is no reason that justifies such a gap. One province should not pay an effective rate that’s higher than another,” claimed Michaud and Belzile.

“Still, the federal government approved Quebec’s cheaper plan as sufficient to avoid the more expensive federal “backstop” carbon tax. We are therefore punishing certain producers more than others, which will certainly hurt an industry already faced with many problems.”

The Post Millennial reached out to the office of Premier Kenney about the report’s findings but have yet to hear back by the time this article was published.

The MEI report examined various factors including carbon tax revenue, production and consumption before arriving to its final conclusions.

“Finally, a carbon tax should not be the pretext for a cash grab by the government. This means that any carbon tax should be compensated by an equivalent reduction of other taxes, preferably the ones that are the most de-structive in economic terms: corporate taxes on profits and personal income taxes, for example,” suggests the report.

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/ot...mic-institute/


Do it motherfukkers and see how long Alberta stays in confederation..

This will be the last nail in the coffin and Alberta will leave Canada.. Than Gawd.. join the USA already.
Last edited by B00Mer; 3 weeks ago at 11:03 AM..
 
taxslave
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TrudOWE giving Quebec a break. What a surprise.
 
Jinentonix
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If Quebec is only paying $20/tonne while the federal rate is $30/tonne, then the tax is indeed unconstitutional. You can't charge different provinces different rates. If the Fed accepts $20/tonne from Quebec as being good enough, then the precedent has been set at $20/tonne for the federal carbon tax.
Of course it was interesting how the judges who ruled in favour explained that it was a necessary component to reducing emissions, but if that's the case then they should be responsible for explaining how and why as well. If a province or territory comes up with a viable plan to reduce emissions by the target amount and date, then why the need for yet another tax?
 
Curious Cdn
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In Quebec, fuel of all types are already taxed at a far higher rate that they are anywhere in Canada. You can call it a carbon tax, a sales tax, an energy tax or a maudit tabarnac tax but it still ends up in the general revenues of one of the two taxing governments. Albertans are far less squeezed, overall.
 
captain morgan
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This is solely about a carbon tax.


If all taxes were included, BC (esp the lower mainland) would be exempt from the fed regulations entirely
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

This is solely about a carbon tax.
If all taxes were included, BC (esp the lower mainland) would be exempt from the fed regulations entirely

Carbon taxi is just another sin-tax sales tax. The next new tax will be the "Mom" tax and you will be against motherhood if you don't cough that one up, too.
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Carbon taxi is just another sin-tax sales tax. The next new tax will be the "Mom" tax and you will be against motherhood if you don't cough that one up, too.


Sure it is... None of that cash has gone anywhere near saving ole Mother Gaia, it all goes straight into general revenues


Justine thought he was being all smart by telling the provinces that as he had no cash to send back to them that he would mandate a de facto sales tax that each province could keep.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

If Quebec is only paying $20/tonne while the federal rate is $30/tonne, then the tax is indeed unconstitutional. You can't charge different provinces different rates. If the Fed accepts $20/tonne from Quebec as being good enough, then the precedent has been set at $20/tonne for the federal carbon tax.
Of course it was interesting how the judges who ruled in favour explained that it was a necessary component to reducing emissions, but if that's the case then they should be responsible for explaining how and why as well. If a province or territory comes up with a viable plan to reduce emissions by the target amount and date, then why the need for yet another tax?

Nobody said it had to be equal. All you need to hose taxpayer is a "climate plan" or it's imposed upon you.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Carbon taxi is just another sin-tax sales tax.

The JST saves the planet.

Would you pat yourself on the back if GST went up 2 pts?
 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

Do it motherfukkers and see how long Alberta stays in confederation..

This will be the last nail in the coffin and Alberta will leave Canada.. Than Gawd.. join the USA already.

If the Albertan Politicians weren't comfortable with Alberta being raped by the east they would have stopped it 70 years ago. All this is showing is how undemocratic our democratic nation really is and the 'freedom' is an illusion help up but in reality it as as corrupt and anything the World Bank owns.


Have Alberta annex northern BC as we will build our own port and trade with whoever we want to.



Nobody better act surprised and why would the US adopt Alberta when it already owns the oil and it is discounted, that would vanish if it was land 'owned by Americans'.
If the eastern Ukraine can hold back NATO so can we.
 
Hoid
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Lies of omission

Saskatchewan paid for a report that suggested a federal carbon tax would shave less than a tenth of a point off the economic growth rate — and then sat on the results

https://nationalpost.com/news/saskat...b-81a1b5e795ec


less than one tenth of one point
 
taxslave
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From the NP article.

as well as the (correct) assumption that Ottawa would hand the carbon money back to households.

What the fukk is the point of a tax just to hand the money back to the people that paid it?
 
Hoid
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I can tell it is almost enough for you to actually go and find out.
 
Dixie Cup
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

From the NP article.

as well as the (correct) assumption that Ottawa would hand the carbon money back to households.

What the fukk is the point of a tax just to hand the money back to the people that paid it?



It's to make people (who can't think critically) believe that they're getting something for nothing without cluing in that it was their money to begin with! It's simply a "slight of hand" (or is it sleight of hand) LOL
 
taxslave
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Well they got the little troll to buy into the scam.
 
B00Mer
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Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

If the Albertan Politicians weren't comfortable with Alberta being raped by the east they would have stopped it 70 years ago. All this is showing is how undemocratic our democratic nation really is and the 'freedom' is an illusion help up but in reality it as as corrupt and anything the World Bank owns.
Have Alberta annex northern BC as we will build our own port and trade with whoever we want to.
Nobody better act surprised and why would the US adopt Alberta when it already owns the oil and it is discounted, that would vanish if it was land 'owned by Americans'.
If the eastern Ukraine can hold back NATO so can we.

That's surprising a rational reply.

See you are taking your meds again..
 
Twin_Moose
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

From the NP article.
as well as the (correct) assumption that Ottawa would hand the carbon money back to households.
What the fukk is the point of a tax just to hand the money back to the people that paid it?

Quote: Originally Posted by Dixie Cup View Post

It's to make people (who can't think critically) believe that they're getting something for nothing without cluing in that it was their money to begin with! It's simply a "slight of hand" (or is it sleight of hand) LOL

Low income persons are going to make out the best from this, construction owners and workers, trucking, mining, Oil companies and workers, etc. are the ones that are losing big time and paying for the low income free money bonanza. I travel on average 50+000 km a year with work I will be losing money.
 
Jinentonix
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Nobody said it had to be equal. All you need to hose taxpayer is a "climate plan" or it's imposed upon you.

From a Constitutional perspective the federal govt cannot levy a federal tax of one rate on one province and a different rate on another province. This is effectively what Groper is doing with Quebec and the rest of Canada.
 
Jinentonix
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

I can tell it is almost enough for you to actually go and find out.

Translation. You can't explain the stupidity either. You'll happily buy it but you just can't explain it.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

I can tell it is almost enough for you to actually go and find out.

Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

From a Constitutional perspective the federal govt cannot levy a federal tax of one rate on one province and a different rate on another province. This is effectively what Groper is doing with Quebec and the rest of Canada.

Why are certain industries in certain Provinces that actually are the core of emitters getting 90% back?

Why are we paying full price to heat and power our homes?

The EcoEnergy program under Harper actually did something to reduce consumption with home upgrade grants and we never needed a tax to fund it.

It cut my reno bill drastically as I was able to source my own materials that met spec. With the CAD at $1.10 US I ordered my windows and doors from the US and saved yuuuge.

A $50K upgrade was $20K and a lot of my own labour. $10K came from taxpayers.

Want to buy a used geothermal system you partly paid for?

I'm going back to gas. Geothermal can't handle the wild swings of a Canadian winter.
 
spilledthebeer
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

Ottawa will punish Alberta with a higher carbon tax than Quebec: Montreal Economic Institute



A detailed research report by the Montreal Economic Institute (MEI) titled “The Cumulative Impact of Harmful Policies” [PDF] indicates that if a federal carbon tax were to be implemented in Alberta, the province will end up paying 50 per cent more than Quebec.

In full the 60 page document examines the various factors impacting Canada’s energy sector with a particular interest in Alberta.

“There are no valid reasons that justify a carbon tax being 50% higher than the de facto rate currently in effect in Quebec’s cap & trade system, as Alberta’s $30 carbon tax is—and even less to justify it being about twice as high as in Quebec, as the federal tax will be by 2022,” claimed the study.

After being elected, UCP Premier Jason Kenney has indicated his opposition to the province’s $30 a tonne carbon tax implemented by former Premier Rachel Notley.

Currently the province of Quebec has a cap and trade system in effect which was introduced in 2012. The program which has collected $831.44 million in revenue for the government in 2018 currently costs polluters $20.82 a tonne.

Out of all of the provinces in Canada only Quebec has opted for the cap and trade program as a way to reduce carbon emissions. For a brief period in 2018 Ontario was also part of the program until it was cancelled on July 3rd.

As the report indicates by the year 2022, the federal carbon tax for Alberta would be roughly double the amount Quebec has to pay. According to MEI analysts Jean Michaud and Germain Belzile the discrepancy is unjustified.

“To be blunt, there is no reason that justifies such a gap. One province should not pay an effective rate that’s higher than another,” claimed Michaud and Belzile.

“Still, the federal government approved Quebec’s cheaper plan as sufficient to avoid the more expensive federal “backstop” carbon tax. We are therefore punishing certain producers more than others, which will certainly hurt an industry already faced with many problems.”

The Post Millennial reached out to the office of Premier Kenney about the report’s findings but have yet to hear back by the time this article was published.

The MEI report examined various factors including carbon tax revenue, production and consumption before arriving to its final conclusions.

“Finally, a carbon tax should not be the pretext for a cash grab by the government. This means that any carbon tax should be compensated by an equivalent reduction of other taxes, preferably the ones that are the most de-structive in economic terms: corporate taxes on profits and personal income taxes, for example,” suggests the report.

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/ot...mic-institute/


Do it motherfukkers and see how long Alberta stays in confederation..

This will be the last nail in the coffin and Alberta will leave Canada.. Than Gawd.. join the USA already.




OH Boomer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Alberta Separation is as likely as somebody making a carburater that you can bolt onto your engine and then FUEL the machine with tap water and get 50 MPG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On the PLUS SIDE.................................its only about 8 weeks till Parliament shuts down for the summer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Not nearly enough time to get any real "Screw Alberta" legislation in place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy knows this............................................


and so do the pampered LIE-beral Pets in Quebec!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy is just making NOISE in hope of SCARING people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He is especially interested in scaring Quebec...................................


since that is were what most of the remaining Lie-beral support group lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This is why Quebec got $11 billion dollars in Federal transfers......................................... ..


and FLAKY left coast B.C. with its brand new Horgan NDP govt GOT NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And dont think Quebecois are oblivious to the price of gas in B.C!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Quebecois live in TERROR of such a price hike coming to THEIR province!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is going to be a LONG HOT SUMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!


And the blasts of hot air coming from LIE-beral and NDP and Green party campaign headquarters will make it MUCH WORSE!!!!!!!!!


But come October THERE WILL BE CHANGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Alberta can forward to support from ALLIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hold on.................................


help is coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Thanks to shameless LIE-berals........................................


and their idiot NDP cousins........................................... .


Alberta is down....................................


but its not OUT YET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !



And for the accountants out there..................................the range of LIE-beral carbon tax on gas currently ranges from about 4 cents per litre to about 9 cents per litre.........................................


depending on how PISSED Our idiot Boy is at each provincial govt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

From the NP article.

as well as the (correct) assumption that Ottawa would hand the carbon money back to households.

What the fukk is the point of a tax just to hand the money back to the people that paid it?

It allows for 10,000 people to have (useless) jobs so it looks good on the books.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Low income persons are going to make out the best from this, construction owners and workers, trucking, mining, Oil companies and workers, etc. are the ones that are losing big time and paying for the low income free money bonanza. I travel on average 50+000 km a year with work I will be losing money.

SOme things never change. Those that contribute the least always get the most.
 
Twin_Moose
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Yep the wealth transfer they were talking about, drug prices will go up next year supply and demand
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

It allows for 10,000 people to have (useless) jobs so it looks good on the books.

Take this moment of lucidity and hold on to it as tight as you can.
 
Cliffy
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Good. Albertans needs to have their pee pees whacked. Buncha whining little pussies.
 
petros
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Nakusp wouldn't exist any longer if it weren't for Albertans.
 
spilledthebeer
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Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

It allows for 10,000 people to have (useless) jobs so it looks good on the books.




OH MHz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


SEE WHAT HAPPENS when you HONESTLY study and comprehend western values!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!


You are finally RIGHT FOR ONCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The LIE-beral carbon crap and trade tax SCAM is all about buying votes for LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


Just as I have been saying all along!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Now all you need to do is make the final jump into logic............................................. .....


and recognize that if Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals win the October election.....................................


then the carbon tax will become A CRUSHING BURDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals plan to push the carbon SCAM to HUGE HEIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!


LIE-berals will ROB US BLIND so they can ENRICH their suppprters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The carbon SCAM is an unprecedented ATTACK on the lives of ordinary Cdns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And by the way........................................


LIE-berals are ONLY PRETENDING to support Muslims!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


LIE-berals only want Muslim votes............................................. .......


LIE-berals do not care what happens to Muslims AFTER they cast their ballots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals worry about Muslims as often as they fuss over the lives of natives on reserves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!


That is to say............................................... .............


THEY DONT GIVE A SH+T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
spilledthebeer
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Good. Albertans needs to have their pee pees whacked. Buncha whining little pussies.




OH CLIFFY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!


How HYPOCRITICAL can you get??????????????????????????????????/


You want to "whack Alberta pee pees" simply because they dont want their economy DESTROYED and their jobs ERASED................


on the WHIM of PIG HEADED LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!



So here is a FUN QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!


How much WHINING are native inhabitants of reserves entitled to do???????????????????????????????????


Considering the drunken goofs NEVER HAD ANY JOBS to begin with??????????????????????????????????


In addition.............................Alberta workers HAVE USABLE SKILLS............................................ .........


that are valuable IF LIE-berals would get out of the way and let them work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This compares SHARPLY with natives on reserves.......................................


where only about 25 percent manage to SCRAPE through HIGH SCHOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And here is ANOTHER THOUGHT........................................... ..


When it comes to marketable skills..........................................


which would be better............................................ ...


an ability to communicate easily in Cree or Tlingit?????????????????????????????


Or an ability to communicate fluently IN ENGLISH???????????????????????????????


Think HARD NOW CLIFFY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!


If you are a sales person seeking to sell a product........................................... ..


which language will bring you the LARGEST CUSTOMER BASE????????????????????????

Tlingit or English!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!


As I have said before............................................ .............


natives MUST DECIDE for themselves........................................ .....


whether they will inhabit the 19th century........................................


or the 21st century??????????????????????????????????????


Asians and Africans...............................


by the millions have made this choice.......................................


I accept that many people would like to avoid the choice........................


but ECONOMIC REALITY IS RELENTLESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!



WHY should Cdn natives BE EXEMPT from logic and reality??????????????????????????????????????
 

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