How should we punish child molestation and rape?


White_Unifier
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If a person is convicted of having sex with another person under the age of fifteen or who sexually assaults a person, the judge should give him one of the following options:

1. Death.

2. Life in prison (with the option of requesting death at a later date should he wish to do so).

3. Surgical castration (gonadectomy if male, oophorectomy if female)followed by at least one year of institutionalized therapy until at least two psychiatrists recommend the offender's release.

For a second offense, the judge should give the offender only options 1 and 2.

In addition to this, should a female offender have caused her male victim to impregnate her during the assault, the male victim could register (even retroactively) the fetus as a human life starting at conception, meaning that any attempt on the abuser's part to abort the fetus other than for medical reasons could lead to a charge of murder which would then leave her with only two options:

1. Death.

2. Life in prison (with the option of requesting death at a later date should she wish to do so).

Should a male offender impregnate a female victim, then he should automatically be given only two options:

1. Death.

2. Life in prison (with the option of requesting death at a later date should he wish to do so).

The above might seem harsh; but when we consider the harms of sexual abuse to mental health and to society in general, we need such a harsh deterrent.
Last edited by White_Unifier; Mar 22nd, 2018 at 01:15 PM..
 
petros
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Yoos crazy Alfalfa
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Yoos crazy Alfalfa

Translation please. Do you think the above is too harsh? If so, why?
 
DaSleeper
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Yoos crazy Alfalfa

I think he's French Patriot's twin brother with all the stupid question threads....
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

I think he's French Patriot twin brother with all the stupid question threads....

So what do you think would be an appropriate punishment for such a crime?
 
petros
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Johnnny
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Send them all to the northern most part of Baffin Island for life and use their slave labour to mine the Iron Ore there.
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by Johnnny View Post

Send them all to the northern most part of Baffin Island for life and use their slave labour to mine the Iron Ore there.

I do believe in economically productive labour. If it makes economic sense, I say yes.

I would still be willing to give them a way out if they agree to surgical castration though. Apparently the recidivism rate after that drops to around 2 to 3 percent.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

So what do you think would be an appropriate punishment for such a crime?

First kill any bill enforcing mandatory minimums and give them money so they can heal and integrate into society.
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

First kill any bill enforcing mandatory minimums and give them money so they can heal and integrate into society.

To be honest, I dislike prison because of the cost to the taxpayer. For that reason, I tend to prefer heavy fines for most crimes whenever it doesn't pose a major threat to society.

In the case of child molestation and rape, evidence shows the recidivism rate to be very high. That alone does not condone long-term imprisonment. But evidence also shows that the crime causes severe trauma to the victim. Combine the high rate of recidivism with the harm done, and this is one of the exceptional cases where life in prison may be necessary unless the person can prove a low rate of recidivism. Studies have shown that surgical castration lowers it significantly and that's why I'm open to that. Other than that though, the rate of recidivism is too high and so life in prison is necessary if the person declines the option of death.
 
petros
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You are trying to wind the clock back to the 1950s.
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

You are trying to wind the clock back to the 1950s.

In what sense? If you know the harm that sexual abuse inflicts on the victim and that the recidivism rate is statistically extremely high except in the case of castration, then how do you defend releasing a convict without first requiring castration?

Now studies do show that chemical castration is more or less as effective as surgical. One problem with chemical castration though is that it's not permanent. I think they need to get a new implant every three years. What happens if he escapes and doesn't get the new implant?

I could be open to chemical castration, but with no funny business. If the person doesn't show up even once at the appointed time to replace his implant, then back to prison he goes. One chance and one chance only.
 
petros
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How do you castrate a woman?
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

How do you castrate a woman?

By performing an oophorectomy on her, though she'd probably need to remain in prison until she delivers the infant first if she's pregnant after which a physician could perform the oophorectomy if she requests it. It would be her choice. She could either spend the rest of her life in prison (or choose death if she wants) or undergo an oopphorectomy followed by at least one year of institutionalized therapy until at least two psychiatrists recommend her release.
 
petros
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Does research show they wont reoffend?

Researchers at the Lucy Faithfull Foundation (LFF), a child protection charity in the UK that focuses on British female sex offenders, maintains that female child sex abuse is more widespread than people suspect. Studies by LFF confirmed that a “fair proportion” of child abusers are women. Donald Findlater, Director of Research, noted that up to 20% of 320,000 suspected UK pedophiles were women. He stressed, however, that these are only the cases that are reported.
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Does research show they wont reoffend?

Researchers at the Lucy Faithfull Foundation (LFF), a child protection charity in the UK that focuses on British female sex offenders, maintains that female child sex abuse is more widespread than people suspect. Studies by LFF confirmed that a “fair proportion” of child abusers are women. Donald Findlater, Director of Research, noted that up to 20% of 320,000 suspected UK pedophiles were women. He stressed, however, that these are only the cases that are reported.

Of course. One study in the US showed that many male sex offenders had been sexually abused, often by women, themselves. I don't deny that many female offenders have probably been abused by a man in the past too, and we can sympathize with that.

That said, however much we can empathize with the fact that an abuser might never have committed the abuse had he not been abused himself at one point in the past, public safety must still trump our empathy towards the abuser. In other words, we might empathize with the pedophile's plight no doubt; but the punishment is not out of any personal malice against him but rather strictly with the aim of preventing further abuse. In that sense, offering the option of castration might help to free the abuser from his own plight. The punishment can be a blessing in disguise for the abuser himself as I'm sure the abuser himself probably doesn't really want to abuse anyone but is acting on impulse. That's something velvet-gloved liberals might fail to understand. Sex abusers themselves would probably welcome such a law.

I remember reading one study showing that the recidivism rate after castration drops to 2 to 3 percent. Before castration, it hovered above 40% if I remember correctly.

Again, though I would prefer surgical castration, I might be open to chemical castration if the person can be trusted to return every three years on time for the implant; but with zero tolerance for him not showing up at the appointed time. Once chance and one chance only for that.
 
Hoid
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Castration is gender specific.

What is the female punishment going to be?
 
petros
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Integrate with the forum members and find out.
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Castration is gender specific.

What is the female punishment going to be?

Oophorectomy. But just like a male sex offender, we could give her the option of death or life in prison instead. Oophorectomy followed by at least a year of therapy would just be an option if she contemplates release from prison.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

Of course. One study in the US showed that many male sex offenders had been sexually abused, often by women, themselves. I don't deny that many female offenders have probably been abused by a man in the past too, and we can sympathize with that.

That said, however much we can empathize with the fact that an abuser might never have committed the abuse had he not been abused himself at one point in the past, public safety must still trump our empathy towards the abuser. In other words, we might empathize with the pedophile's plight no doubt; but the punishment is not out of any personal malice against him but rather strictly with the aim of preventing further abuse. In that sense, offering the option of castration might help to free the abuser from his own plight. The punishment can be a blessing in disguise for the abuser himself as I'm sure the abuser himself probably doesn't really want to abuse anyone but is acting on impulse. That's something velvet-gloved liberals might fail to understand. Sex abusers themselves would probably welcome such a law.

I remember reading one study showing that the recidivism rate after castration drops to 2 to 3 percent. Before castration, it hovered above 40% if I remember correctly.

Again, though I would prefer surgical castration, I might be open to chemical castration if the person can be trusted to return every three years on time for the implant; but with zero tolerance for him not showing up at the appointed time. Once chance and one chance only for that.

At the same time, maybe we can "fix" the gays.

Like I said you are using the 1950s mindset that was and still is a violation of Rights.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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We could make them listen to your notions of justice, WU. That's even worse.

Well, y'all could do that. Hereabouts the Eighth Amendment would forbid it.
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

At the same time, maybe we can "fix" the gays.

Like I said you are using the 1950s mindset that was and still is a violation of Rights.

A person under the age of fifteen is not legally old enough to consent. As the OP mentioned, I'm proposing these harsh punishments for only two specific categories of crime:

1. Sex with a person under the age of fifteen.

2. Sexual assault of a person of any age.

Legally in Canada right now, sex with a person under sixteen is illegal too; but given the severity of what I'm proposing, I thought it appropriate to reduce the age to under fifteen for the more severe punishment. Consensual sex with someone under sixteen could be punished as per the present laws.
 
Hoid
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Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

Oophorectomy. But just like a male sex offender, we could give her the option of death or life in prison instead. Oophorectomy followed by at least a year of therapy would just be an option if she contemplates release from prison.

But she would still have her vagina to rape with
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

We could make them listen to your notions of justice, WU. That's even worse.

Well, y'all could do that. Hereabouts the Eighth Amendment would forbid it.

How so? The US already allows the death penalty. How would giving a person a CHOICE between death, life in prison, and castration, at least one year of therapy, and then release on the recommendation of at least two psychiatrists cruel and unusual? It could even allow a person to greatly reduce the time they'd spend behind bars compared to what is the case now. In some case, the person could be out after a year under my proposal. Again, no one would be forcing castration onto him. It would be a choice if he wants release.

Death would be a choice to. Now as for life in prison, again, I'm not proposing it to be cruel but rather to protect the public. The recidivism rate of released sex offenders without castration is extremely high. I could be open to allowing chemical castration but with no tolerance for messing around. In other words, if a person needs to return for a new implant every three years, he'd better show up on time otherwise he's back in prison. And once back in prison, then the only option left should be surgical castration.

Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

But she would still have her vagina to rape with

A man who undergoes gonadectomy still has his penis to rape with too. The point is that it stops the production of certain sex hormones that raise the sex drive. As a result, the offender has less interest in raping.
 
Hoid
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What if they rape people with their hands?
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

How so? The US already allows the death penalty.

Because death is a day at the beach compared to listening to your sex-obsessed ravings.
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

What if they rape people with their hands?

They could still rape a person with their penis or vagina, just that they'd have less interest in it. That's the point of castration.

Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Because death is a day at the beach compared to listening to your sex-obsessed ravings.

Who forced you to come to this thread?
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

We could make them listen to your notions of justice, WU. That's even worse.

Well, y'all could do that. Hereabouts the Eighth Amendment would forbid it.

Charter kills it here too.

Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

A person under the age of fifteen is not legally old enough to consent.

You'd best check that out. The age of consent varies considerably from Province to Province.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

Who forced you to come to this thread?

Precisely. There's all kinds of things you can do voluntarily that are cruel and unusual punishment if done to you by the government.

WU, why don't you just come out in favor of death by slow torture for people who have sex? Your crazy hatred of sex is weird, but this is the internet. As long as you don't make a direct threat, nobody can do anything to you for being weird.
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Precisely. There's all kinds of things you can do voluntarily that are cruel and unusual punishment if done to you by the government.

WU, why don't you just come out in favor of death by slow torture for people who have sex? Your crazy hatred of sex is weird, but this is the internet. As long as you don't make a direct threat, nobody can do anything to you for being weird.

Hmmm... you equate sex with minors and sexual assault with sex in general?
 

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