History or Myth


darkbeaver
#1
Wednesday, May 13, 2009

1994: Myth or History?



"Physical scientists were outraged in 1950 when Immanuel Velikovsky published historical evidence from around the world suggesting that the order and even the number of planets in the solar system had changed within the memory of man. Ideas in nearly every field of scholarship were challenged, but most seriously challenged of all were certain dogmas in the field of astronomy which had only in recent centuries succeeded in convincing mankind that Spaceship Earth was a haven of safety. The emotional outburst from the community of astronomers that so blackened the name Velikovsky and so successfully - if only temporarily - discredited Worlds in Collision has been laid to many causes, from the psychological and the political to simple resentment against invasion of the field by an outsider. Whatever the nature of such intensifying factors, however, I believe it is only fair to acknowledge an underlying and totally sincere scientific disbelief in the historical record." -- Ralph E. Juergens, engineer, 1972

Are uniformitarian cranks, Newtonian crackpots, and anti-Velikovskians stupid enough to think Shoemaker-Levy 9 was a myth? thinkOil Is Mastery: 1994: Myth or History?
Last edited by darkbeaver; May 14th, 2009 at 12:02 PM..
 
#juan
#2
What the hell had Velikovski to do with Shoemaker/Levy 9/ Or vise versa? Did someone say there weren't any comets around or are you building a strawman to argue against?
 
TenPenny
#3
Because Pluto's orbit is quite elliptical in shape, at times Pluto travels closer to the Sun than Neptune's orbit. This was the case from January 1979 through February 1999, when Neptune was the farthest planet from the Sun.

So, the order of the planets has changed within man's memory.
 
darkbeaver
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by #juan View Post

What the hell had Velikovski to do with Shoemaker/Levy 9/ Or vise versa? Did someone say there weren't any comets around or are you building a strawman to argue against?

Catostrophic events.
 
L Gilbert
#5
aaahh. Like the time our beer fridge ran out of beer and company showed up.
 
Niflmir
#6
I don't get it? What is this thread even about?
 
CDNBear
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by Niflmir View Post

I don't get it? What is this thread even about?

Nazi's?
 
Dexter Sinister
#8
Naw, it's just the Beave trolling for "uniformitarian cranks, Newtonian crackpots, and anti-Velikovskians" again.
 
CDNBear
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister View Post

Naw, it's just the Beave trolling for "uniformitarian cranks, Newtonian crackpots, and anti-Velikovskians" again.

I prefer live minnows for bait, but then again, I'm fishing for Catfish these days.
 
CanadianLove
#10
Organized Stalking to discredit a person with different ideas, maybe. It has been going on for a long time.

Anti Organized Stalking (Citizen Harassment Group) Information Site
 
CDNBear
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by CanadianLove View Post

Organized Stalking to discredit a person with different ideas, maybe. It has been going on for a long time.

Anti Organized Stalking (Citizen Harassment Group) Information Site

What about disorganized stalking CL?

Don't leave out the disorganized, that's just wrong. People like DB would be left out and hurt...
 
darkbeaver
#12
The event was the end of particular pseudo-scientific myth. It would be nice to participate in a discussion surrounding the damage scientific quackery has caused mankind these last three-quarters of a century and how that crime came to be perpetrated on the whole of the inhabitants of this planet. The crime is real. The conspiracy ongoing and the loot huge.
 
darkbeaver
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

What about disorganized stalking CL?

Don't leave out the disorganized, that's just wrong. People like DB would be left out and hurt...

I would rather be left out then right off my rockers.
 
CDNBear
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

The event was the end of particular pseudo-scientific myth. It would be nice to participate in a discussion surrounding the damage scientific quackery has caused mankind these last three-quarters of a century and how that crime came to be perpetrated on the whole of the inhabitants of this planet. The crime is real. The conspiracy ongoing and the loot huge.

So many of us would like a discussion on a wide variety of topics DB. But sadly, some, not unlike yourself feel it better to just go shooting their mouths off.

Glad I could return the favour to you...

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

I would rather be left out then right off my rockers.

I guess you fell off that rocker a while ago then eh?
 
darkbeaver
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

So many of us would like a discussion on a wide variety of topics DB. But sadly, some, not unlike yourself feel it better to just go shooting their mouths off.

Glad I could return the favour to you...

I guess you fell off that rocker a while ago then eh?

Tried the poltice didn't you? You could never return any favour I may do you. You're a cardboard kettle to my stainless steel pot bear. I know you can't boil your own water or write your own posts.
 
Niflmir
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

I prefer live minnows for bait, but then again, I'm fishing for Catfish these days.

Are those good eating? I saw some massive catfish in a river in Italy, but my wife maintained that they were boney and unpleasant.
 
L Gilbert
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

I prefer live minnows for bait, but then again, I'm fishing for Catfish these days.

Use a basketball then. lol I got some pics in my email one time where a catfish got a b-ball stuck in its yap. Couple guys caught it and got the ball out. Guess that's what happens when you play b-ball in the river?
 
Niflmir
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

The event was the end of particular pseudo-scientific myth. It would be nice to participate in a discussion surrounding the damage scientific quackery has caused mankind these last three-quarters of a century and how that crime came to be perpetrated on the whole of the inhabitants of this planet. The crime is real. The conspiracy ongoing and the loot huge.

What myth? It is not made clear in the opening post. I'm still in the dark as to what this thread is about.
 
L Gilbert
#19
Whitefish are bony and usually unpalatable, until you smoke em.
 
L Gilbert
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by Niflmir View Post

What myth? It is not made clear in the opening post. I'm still in the dark as to what this thread is about.

Beav seems to think it isn't clear whether Shoemaker-Levy9 is myth or a part of history.
 
Niflmir
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

Beav seems to think it isn't clear whether Shoemaker-Levy9 is myth or a part of history.

Oh? Well thanks for the info on the fish.
 
Dexter Sinister
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by Niflmir View Post

What myth? It is not made clear in the opening post. I'm still in the dark as to what this thread is about.

The myth that science actually knows anything. Beave's got a conspiracy theory going involving Velikovsky, the electric cosmos, catastrophism, repression of dissidents, and a variety of other ill-founded speculations, and believes science is corrupt beyond measure and defends itself like a religious orthodoxy. That's what he wanted this to be about, but nobody's risen to the bait yet.
 
darkbeaver
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister View Post

The myth that science actually knows anything. Beave's got a conspiracy theory going involving Velikovsky, the electric cosmos, catastrophism, repression of dissidents, and a variety of other ill-founded speculations, and believes science is corrupt beyond measure and defends itself like a religious orthodoxy. That's what he wanted this to be about, but nobody's risen to the bait yet.

Is it your intent to insult the other nobodys in this thread? Count them, that's one dip with the old Velikovsky net and the Eastern Nobody Guppies swim right in.
 
Niflmir
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister View Post

The myth that science actually knows anything. Beave's got a conspiracy theory going involving Velikovsky, the electric cosmos, catastrophism, repression of dissidents, and a variety of other ill-founded speculations, and believes science is corrupt beyond measure and defends itself like a religious orthodoxy. That's what he wanted this to be about, but nobody's risen to the bait yet.

But he made a thread about MoND? Isn't that counter-productive to supporting the contention that science defends itself zeolously? Its one thing to say that modern science doesn't allow dissent, but when you actually post the dissent to make that assertion... well, I don't know what that is.
 
L Gilbert
#25
It's funny.
 
Dexter Sinister
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by Niflmir View Post

But he made a thread about MoND?

Yes, well... don't expect logical consistency. The title of that thread is really what it's about, the "crisis in cosmology". Some interesting new findings of the sort science and scientists live for indicates a crisis. When you view science as a religious orthodoxy, new findings are roughly equivalent to a Christian theologian discovering some good evidence that Jesus never existed.
 
Niflmir
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister View Post

When you view science as a religious orthodoxy, new findings are roughly equivalent to a Christian theologian discovering some good evidence that Jesus never existed.

It seems to me that Skepticism as a practice (with the capital) means to apply skepticism to everything except your preferred beliefs. Also, to apply skepticism like David Hume himself.
 
L Gilbert
#28
lol I think it's more that what you call scepticism with a big S is cynicism (disbelief in the integrity of things except what you personally believe). Scepticism is just being doubtful about stuff.
 
Niflmir
#29
Sure, but people with an exuberant desire to capitalize words seem to have a perverse preference for where they apply skepticism. Thus giving birth to Skepticism, in my bizarre sense of humour.
 
L Gilbert
#30
lol cool.
 

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