Voting with masks on is backfiring on protesters


mentalfloss
#1
Costumes at the polls, niqabs and Canadians' voting rights

The recent images of voters showing up at voting stations in different face masks, head coverings and costumes reveal how some Canadians fail to live up to the lessons of our history and the true democratic values enshrined in our Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

It is clear that these voters are trying to make a statement about their views and feelings in response to Elections Canada’s policy, in effect for several years now, to allow some Muslim women to vote while wearing their niqab as long as they sign a formal oath regarding their eligibility.

By attempting to ridicule this policy, these voters actually help confirm a unique quality of our voting system: What one wears on one’s face for religious or spurious reasons does not automatically prevent one from voting. The system has ways to require voter identification to avoid fraud.

But by wearing such disguises, these voters do more than trivialize a woman’s faith-based choice and reinforce negative attitudes about Muslims in general and Muslim women in general. They almost make a mockery of our hard-fought right to vote and the compelling duty of each and every person, as well as that of our Parliament, to protect not only our voting rights, but also two core principles of our voting system: integrity and accessibility.

Canadian history is replete with struggles of different classes of people to obtain the right to vote, particularly women, Aboriginal peoples, racial minorities (notably, Chinese and Japanese Canadians), prisoners, people with disabilities, naturalized citizens (in the 1995 Quebec referendum), and more recently, Canadian expatriates. Through passionate social and political actions, and costly litigation, Canadians have sought to overcome all kinds of barriers, physical and legal, to the exercise of their constitutional right to vote.

Costumes at the polls, niqabs and Canadians’ voting rights | Montreal Gazette
 
CDNBear
+8
#2  Top Rated Post
So you think the veil is on par with the struggle women and racial groups went through to get the right to vote?

Bwaaahahahaha!!!
 
Locutus
+3
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

So you think the veil is on par with the struggle women and racial groups went through to get the right to vote?

Bwaaahahahaha!!!


this idiot believes just about anything he sees and as we well know is always in a hurry to be the first to post something. bit of a narcissistic trait in that sociopath. but never really owned his error...simply justified the post 3 hours later after likely being mocked by his fanz.

https://www.facebook.com/mntlfloz/po...84?pnref=story
 
CDNBear
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by Locutus View Post

this idiot believes just about anything he sees and as we well know is always in a hurry to be the first to post something. bit of a narcissistic trait in that sociopath. but never really owned his error...simply justified the post 3 hours later after likely being mocked by his fanz.

https://www.facebook.com/mntlfloz/po...84?pnref=story

LMAO!!!

The last line in that is so all about Flossy.

"I never lie. (I just spread misinformation)"
 
Dixie Cup
Conservative
+4
#5
Guess they just want to make a point! The Court has it wrong and the decision should be over turned. Period.


JMHO
 
JamesBondo
+3
#6
I have considered making a different point by voting with a mask that looks like an envelope. If people can vote by mail, then my face should not be a concern.
 
mentalfloss
+1 / -2
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by Dixie Cup View Post

Guess they just want to make a point! The Court has it wrong and the decision should be over turned. Period.


JMHO

I agree if there is a security concern but it's clear that Conservatives are over stepping their boundaries into ethnic cleansing.
 
DaSleeper
+3
#8
exaggerate much?
 
Cannuck
No Party Affiliation
+1
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

I agree if there is a security concern but it's clear that Conservatives are over stepping their boundaries into ethnic cleansing.

The hate is strong with that group.
 
mentalfloss
-2
#10
It's a national prejudice that we have so it's not surprising the curmudgeons are getting wedgies over it.

They love wedgies.
 
damngrumpy
No Party Affiliation
+2 / -2
#11
I am an old guy and I think there are a lot of voters who need to grow up
Life changes people and attitudes change and we change or well die in
the end. I have talked to a number of young people and I think they have
it right actually. Most I have talked to say what the hell is going on. The
voters are worked up about a head scarf and no one talks about how
veterans are being shafted or post secondary education is so expensive
or what is happening with medicare. They are more informed than some
of us. This costume thing is a distraction trying to create more division
in case someone discovers this government has rung up more debt
than most other governments.
 
davesmom
+3
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy View Post

I am an old guy and I think there are a lot of voters who need to grow up
Life changes people and attitudes change and we change or well die in
the end. I have talked to a number of young people and I think they have
it right actually. Most I have talked to say what the hell is going on. The
voters are worked up about a head scarf and no one talks about how
veterans are being shafted or post secondary education is so expensive
or what is happening with medicare. They are more informed than some
of us. This costume thing is a distraction trying to create more division
in case someone discovers this government has rung up more debt
than most other governments.



Of course the issues you mention are important but so is Canadian tradition. I wonder how many Muslim women who think covering their faces is so all important care about the issues of veterans, the economy, etc. If the niquab is so unimportant then why the hell don't they take the damned thing off and let us see who they are?
 
mentalfloss
-1
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy View Post

I am an old guy and I think there are a lot of voters who need to grow up
Life changes people and attitudes change and we change or well die in
the end. I have talked to a number of young people and I think they have
it right actually. Most I have talked to say what the hell is going on. The
voters are worked up about a head scarf and no one talks about how
veterans are being shafted or post secondary education is so expensive
or what is happening with medicare. They are more informed than some
of us. This costume thing is a distraction trying to create more division
in case someone discovers this government has rung up more debt
than most other governments.

Well said grump.

You are one of the few who haven't succumbed to nonsensically clinging to the past.
 
DaSleeper
+2
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Well said grump.

You are one of the few who haven't succumbed to nonsensically clinging to the past.

Hypocrites come in all ages.... Your age and "Grump's"

And you sure are getting frantic and salty in your postings in these last few hours.....
 
JamesBondo
#15
Just curious. Are there no acceptable situations for uncovering their faces? Is pledging an oath not up there with please pop this pimple?
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
#16
Will folks like the Hutterite Bretheren be permitted to vote with their faces covered and will hypocrites like flossie even give a damn?
 
PoliticalNick
Free Thinker
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

Just curious. Are there no acceptable situations for uncovering their faces? Is pledging an oath not up there with please pop this pimple?

If you get past the rhetoric you will see there is a process in place to ensure the identity of the person. They show their face to another female behind closed doors before the ceremony. Add to that all the security checks and identity confirmation are done well in advance of the actual ceremony.
 
gerryh
+3
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

these voters do more than trivialize a woman’s faith-based choice and reinforce negative attitudes about Muslims in general and Muslim women in general.


Why can't you and your ilk tell the truth? Why do you need to lie?




Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy View Post

I am an old guy and I think there are a lot of voters who need to grow up
Life changes people and attitudes change and we change or well die in
the end. I have talked to a number of young people and I think they have
it right actually. Most I have talked to say what the hell is going on. The
voters are worked up about a head scarf and no one talks about how
veterans are being shafted or post secondary education is so expensive
or what is happening with medicare. They are more informed than some
of us. This costume thing is a distraction trying to create more division
in case someone discovers this government has rung up more debt
than most other governments.


Take a look aroiund grump..... it's not the cons that keep bring the niqab up. If it's not that important, then why do left wing ideologs like you and flossy keep posting about it? Why do left wing papers keep writing articles about it?
 
damngrumpy
No Party Affiliation
#19
See this election isn't about traditions or even issues anymore
This election is about a Prime Minister who lost touch with the
people and now they just want to be rid of him. They no longer
care even if we go into deficit as long as we get rid of him.
That I find surprising on the surface. Then I see what has the
folks all worked up. Big business and the wealthy are doing
well and the average guy is not. Then I think of the message
many sent i am going to vote for my own interests. Well the
fact is there are more average guys out there than there are big
businesses and rich folks. When it comes to a ballot we all get
ONE and that equals things up. This is more like a civilized
revolution at it were. Its where the 70% majority want something
different than what the 30% minority wants its called democracy
Head scarfs, and customs are not even part of this we just want
to get rid of what we have because we want something else
I don't care for Trudeau and I won't be voting for him but I prefer
change than to what we have at present so I guess we will see
tomorrow how democracy worked. If the majority elect change
in two opposition parties those who have said Harper won a
government and that's all that matters will have to bow to the
majority Personally I hope they would form a coalition if need be
to Keep Harper from getting even a minority but there is no chance
of that at the moment
 
gerryh
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy View Post

See this election isn't about traditions or even issues anymore
This election is about a Prime Minister who lost touch with the
people and now they just want to be rid of him. They no longer
care even if we go into deficit as long as we get rid of him.
That I find surprising on the surface. Then I see what has the
folks all worked up. Big business and the wealthy are doing
well and the average guy is not. Then I think of the message
many sent i am going to vote for my own interests. Well the
fact is there are more average guys out there than there are big
businesses and rich folks. When it comes to a ballot we all get
ONE and that equals things up. This is more like a civilized
revolution at it were. Its where the 70% majority want something
different than what the 30% minority wants its called democracy
Head scarfs, and customs are not even part of this we just want
to get rid of what we have because we want something else
I don't care for Trudeau and I won't be voting for him but I prefer
change than to what we have at present so I guess we will see
tomorrow how democracy worked. If the majority elect change
in two opposition parties those who have said Harper won a
government and that's all that matters will have to bow to the
majority Personally I hope they would form a coalition if need be
to Keep Harper from getting even a minority but there is no chance
of that at the moment


I see you changed the subject. Why is that grump? Don't like looking in the mirror to answer a question?
 
DaSleeper
+2
#21
We all know who you'll be voting for Grump......we have known for years.....
 
Locutus
+2
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

LMAO!!!

The last line in that is so all about Flossy.

"I never lie. (I just spread misinformation)"


or from his own FlossBook post:


"Some people really interpret things through their own filter"




we know.
 
petros
+2
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy View Post

See this election isn't about traditions or even issues anymore
This election is about a Prime Minister who lost touch with the
people and now they just want to be rid of him. They no longer
care even if we go into deficit as long as we get rid of him.
That I find surprising on the surface. Then I see what has the
folks all worked up. Big business and the wealthy are doing
well and the average guy is not. Then I think of the message
many sent i am going to vote for my own interests. Well the
fact is there are more average guys out there than there are big
businesses and rich folks.

The people have lost touch with Govt, especially which level of Govt does what. Got pothole issues? talk to you municpal govt. Health care? Education? Hiways? Utilities? Transit? Job ceation? Environment? Talk to your MLA/MPP.

Curmudgeons are aware of who does what. It's the crackpots who bitch and whine and smoke crack and pot who are clueless.
 
Dixie Cup
Conservative
+1
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

I agree if there is a security concern but it's clear that Conservatives are over stepping their boundaries into ethnic cleansing.



Now you are being absurd. Make your point, but don't be stupid about it!

Quote: Originally Posted by davesmom View Post

Of course the issues you mention are important but so is Canadian tradition. I wonder how many Muslim women who think covering their faces is so all important care about the issues of veterans, the economy, etc. If the niquab is so unimportant then why the hell don't they take the damned thing off and let us see who they are?


Couldn't have said it better myself. hear hear!!!
 
Tecumsehsbones
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by davesmom View Post

Of course the issues you mention are important but so is Canadian tradition. I wonder how many Muslim women who think covering their faces is so all important care about the issues of veterans, the economy, etc. If the niquab is so unimportant then why the hell don't they take the damned thing off and let us see who they are?

So. . . exactly what are Canadian traditions?
 
Dixie Cup
Conservative
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy View Post

See this election isn't about traditions or even issues anymore
This election is about a Prime Minister who lost touch with the
people and now they just want to be rid of him. They no longer
care even if we go into deficit as long as we get rid of him.
That I find surprising on the surface. Then I see what has the
folks all worked up. Big business and the wealthy are doing
well and the average guy is not. Then I think of the message
many sent i am going to vote for my own interests. Well the
fact is there are more average guys out there than there are big
businesses and rich folks. When it comes to a ballot we all get
ONE and that equals things up. This is more like a civilized
revolution at it were. Its where the 70% majority want something
different than what the 30% minority wants its called democracy
Head scarfs, and customs are not even part of this we just want
to get rid of what we have because we want something else
I don't care for Trudeau and I won't be voting for him but I prefer
change than to what we have at present so I guess we will see
tomorrow how democracy worked. If the majority elect change
in two opposition parties those who have said Harper won a
government and that's all that matters will have to bow to the
majority Personally I hope they would form a coalition if need be
to Keep Harper from getting even a minority but there is no chance
of that at the moment


Please PLEASE will somebody tell me what exactly it is that Harper has done so badly? This question has been asked on this forum before and NO ONE - NOT ONE PERSON has provided an answer that makes any sense whatsoever except that they hate him. The hate is so visceral it boggles the mind.


The so-called "young people" I've spoken to don't have a clue as to why they don't like Harper - likely because he isn't a rock star, can't name any of their local candidates and don't know ANY of the parties policies. And they're going to vote? They have no idea what it is or who it is they're voting for. That's what's so scary. They believe all the 30 second crap they hear on radio or TV ads without actually doing any research.


And grumpy, most "average" (aka middle-class) Canadians are doing well. Could some be doing better? Definitely. It'd be nice if the price of oil would rise to about $50 then our economy would be doing better, but hell, blame it on Harper. That's the easy solution - blame somebody else. Well the fact is that whomever is elected, whether it be Trudeau, Mulcair or Harper is going to be stuck with world-wide instability and they're going to have to deal with it. I simply would prefer Harper because I think he's better able to handle it. I believe Trudeau's "economic policy" is dangerous and Mulcair's isn't much better.


JMHO
 
Tecumsehsbones
+1
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by Dixie Cup View Post

Please PLEASE will somebody tell me what exactly it is that Harper has done so badly?

Ask Cliffy or mentalfloss, they'll give you the rundown. Exaggerated to the point of arm-waving hysteria, to be sure, but certainly no more so than the Old Stock Canadian freaks who scream that Trudeau will turn Canada into an impoverished wasteland communist Islamic dictatorship.

Apparently, Harper has:

1. Destroyed the economy.
2. Torn up the Charter.
3. Brutalized religious minorities.
4. Robbed the suffering poor at gunpoint and given the money to rich cronies.
5. Spent billions on worthless military toys whilst ignoring Canada's real defense needs.
6. Thrown veterans out into the snow naked.
7. Fouled all of Canada with toxic sludge.
8. Rigged elections.
9. Slaughtered FNs.
10. What else? Worshipped the devil, I guess.
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
+1
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

I agree if there is a security concern but it's clear that Conservatives are over stepping their boundaries into ethnic cleansing.

Ethnic cleansing Well that was truly the goddam dumbest thing I've heard anyone utter in years. Which is saying a lot because reading too many of your other posts could cause a drop in the reader's IQ.


Anywho, congratulations, you just won this year's "Dumbest thing said in a public forum" award. I know there's still 2/12 months to go until year end but I'm pretty confident that bit of utter retardation will stand until then.
 
Tecumsehsbones
+1
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

Ethnic cleansing Well that was truly the goddam dumbest thing I've heard anyone utter in years.

You should hang around here more. mentalfloss's arm-waving hysteria was just a normal day hereabouts.
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
+1
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

You should hang around here more. mentalfloss's arm-waving hysteria was just a normal day hereabouts.

Oh, I'm well familiar with flossie. He used to haunt another forum I was on with his hyper partisan BS.
 

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