Jerry Falwell dead


snfu73
#1
Television evangelist Falwell dies at 73

By SUE LINDSEY, Associated Press Writer 10 minutes ago

The Rev. Jerry Falwell, the television evangelist who founded the Moral Majority and used it to mold the religious right into a political force, died Tuesday shortly after being found unconscious in his office at Liberty University, a school executive said. He was 73.
Ron Godwin, the university's executive vice president, said Falwell, 73, was found unresponsive around 10:45 a.m. and taken to Lynchburg General Hospital. "CPR efforts were unsuccessful," he said.
Godwin said he was not sure what caused the collapse, but he said Falwell "has a history of heart challenges."
"I had breakfast with him, and he was fine at breakfast," Godwin said. "He went to his office, I went to mine, and they found him unresponsive."
Falwell had survived two serious health scares in early 2005. He was hospitalized for two weeks with what was described as a viral infection, then was hospitalized again a few weeks later after going into respiratory arrest. Later that year, doctors found a 70 percent blockage in an artery, which they opened with stents.
Falwell credited his Moral Majority with getting millions of conservative voters registered, electing Ronald Reagan and giving Republicans Senate control in 1980.
"I shudder to think where the country would be right now if the religious right had not evolved," Falwell said when he stepped down as Moral Majority president in 1987.
The fundamentalist church that Falwell started in an abandoned bottling plant in 1956 grew into a religious empire that includes the 22,000-member Thomas Road Baptist Church, the "Old Time Gospel Hour" carried on television stations around the country and 7,700-student Liberty University. He built Christian elementary schools, homes for unwed mothers and a home for alcoholics.
He also founded Liberty University in Lynchburg, which began as Lynchburg Baptist College in 1971.
Liberty University's commencement is scheduled for Saturday, with former U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich as the featured speaker.
In 2006, Falwell marked the 50th anniversary of his church and spoke out on stem cell research, saying he sympathized with people with medical problems, but that any medical research must pass a three-part test: "Is it ethically correct? Is it biblically correct? Is it morally correct?"
Falwell had once opposed mixing preaching with politics, but he changed his view and in 1979, founded the Moral Majority. The political lobbying organization grew to 6.5 million members and raised $69 million as it supported conservative politicians and campaigned against abortion, homosexuality, pornography and bans on school prayer.
Falwell became the face of the religious right, appearing on national magazine covers and on television talk shows. In 1983, U.S. News & World Report named him one of 25 most influential people in America.
In 1984, he sued Hustler magazine for $45 million, charging that he was libeled by an ad parody depicting him as an incestuous drunkard. A federal jury found the fake ad did not libel him, but awarded him $200,000 for emotional distress. That verdict was overturned, however, in a landmark 1988 U.S. Supreme Court decision that held that even pornographic spoofs about a public figure enjoy First Amendment protection.
The case was depicted in the 1996 movie "The People v. Larry Flynt."
With Falwell's high profile came frequent criticism, even from fellow ministers. The Rev. Billy Graham once rebuked him for political sermonizing on "non-moral issues."
Falwell quit the Moral Majority in 1987, saying he was tired of being "a lightning rod" and wanted to devote his time to his ministry and Liberty University. But he remained outspoken and continued to draw criticism for his remarks.
Days after Sept. 11, 2001, Falwell essentially blamed feminists, gays, lesbians and liberal groups for bringing on the terrorist attacks. He later apologized.
In 1999, he told an evangelical conference that the Antichrist was a male Jew who was probably already alive. Falwell later apologized for the remark but not for holding the belief. A month later, his National Liberty Journal warned parents that Tinky Winky, a purple, purse-toting character on television's "Teletubbies" show, was a gay role model and morally damaging to children.
Falwell was re-energized after family values proved important in the 2004 presidential election. He formed the Faith and Values Coalition as the "21st Century resurrection of the Moral Majority," to seek anti-abortion judges, a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage and more conservative elected officials.
The big, blue-eyed preacher with a booming voice started his independent Baptist church with 35 members. From his living room, he began broadcasting his message of salvation and raising the donations that helped his ministry grow.
"He was one of the first to come up with ways to use television to expand his ministry," said Robert Alley, a retired University of Richmond religion professor who studied and criticized Falwell's career.
In 1987, Falwell took over the PTL (Praise the Lord) ministry in South Carolina after Jim Bakker's troubles. Falwell slid fully clothed down a theme park water slide after donors met his fund-raising goal to help rescue the rival ministry. He gave it up seven months later after learning the depth of PTL's financial problems.
Largely because of the Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart scandals, donations to Falwell's ministry dropped from $135 million in 1986 to less than $100 million the following year. Hundreds of workers were laid off and viewers of his television show dwindled.
Liberty University was $73 million in debt and on the verge of bankruptcy, and his "Old Time Gospel Hour" was $16 million in debt.
By the mid-1990s, two local businessmen with long ties to Falwell began overseeing the finances and helped get companies to forgive debts or write them of as losses.
Falwell devoted much of his time keeping his university afloat. He dreamed that Liberty would grow to 50,000 students and be to fundamentalist Christians what Notre Dame is to Roman Catholics and Brigham Young University is to Mormons. He was an avid sports fan who arrived at Liberty basketball games to the cheers of students.
Falwell's father and his grandfather were militant atheists, he wrote in his autobiography. He said his father made a fortune off his businesses — including bootleging during Prohibition.
As a student, Falwell was a star athlete and a prankster who was barred from giving his high school valedictorian's speech after he was caught using counterfeit lunch tickets his senior year.
He ran with a gang of juvenile delinquents before becoming a born-again Christian at age 19. He turned down an offer to play professional baseball and transferred from Lynchburg College to Baptist Bible College in Springfield, Mo.
"My heart was burning to serve Christ," he once said in an interview. "I knew nothing would ever be the same again."
Falwell is survived by his wife, Macel, and three children, Jerry, Jonathan and Jeannie.
 
DurkaDurka
#2
I think "the devil" might be a bit of a stretch. Falwell was just another relgious nut, nothing special about him.
 
snfu73
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka View Post

I think "the devil" might be a bit of a stretch. Falwell was just another relgious nut, nothing special about him.

Yes....I was being rather...um....how do I put it...overdramatic there....much like he, himself was. I think there was something special in the sense that he wasn't just a regular nut...he was a nut with influence, with power, with followers...I think that is different...and scary.
 
look3467
#4
The devil is always with us. As long as we are in the flesh, the devil is tempting us.
That is par for the course. Can we beat the par? Of course.

Jesus said: Mar 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.

Peace>
>>AJ
 
Walter
#5
Jerry died today. He really put on the beef the last few years. I wonder what the cause of death was.
 
snfu73
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by look3467 View Post

The devil is always with us. As long as we are in the flesh, the devil is tempting us.
That is par for the course. Can we beat the par? Of course.

Jesus said: Mar 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.

Peace>
>>AJ

I suppose part of the thing though is that Mr. Falwell spoke as if he was morally pure...that he resisted this temptation. However, the way I see it, with his moral judgements, harsh rhetoric and hateful speech, that he had been consumed.
 
snfu73
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Jerry died today. He really put on the beef the last few years. I wonder what the cause of death was.

Apparently he has had medical issues for a while. But, most likely, it was the jews, lesbians and gays, feminists and other immorals tearing apart the fabric of the US who drove him to death...
 
look3467
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by snfu73 View Post

I suppose part of the thing though is that Mr. Falwell spoke as if he was morally pure...that he resisted this temptation. However, the way I see it, with his moral judgements, harsh rhetoric and hateful speech, that he had been consumed.

Bad judgments I can agree with. What one has to consider is the good he has done verses the error of judgment, but I believe it was all well intentioned.
There are allot of good folk who contributed to his ministry. Not to mention the college and what contribution to society that has.
I mean, think about if he would have been an individual who would have caused death and misery to thousands.
By comparison, he was a fairly righteous man.

All unrighteousness, is due and payable here on earth, by mental anguish, spiritual vexation and or been cut of yearly in life.
Living on earth is a privilege many take for granted, even though suffering is a key part in bringing us to the realization of the spiritual.

Peace>>>AJ
 
mabudon
#9
I wonder if the ACLU forced "god" to call him home, to pay for his sins??

Seems like he'd understand if that was the case
 
look3467
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by mabudon View Post

I wonder if the ACLU forced "god" to call him home, to pay for his sins??

Seems like he'd understand if that was the case

I dun-no!

Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

Peace>>>AJ
 
mabudon
#11
Well, if you believe as Falwell did about the devil and all that crap, maybe Falwell just plain "lost" to the bad guys

I just find it interesting to use the same harsh, diametric worldview as the man espoused to attempt to properly eulogize him... and I feel confident in this case, he who showed NO RESPECT to so many, needs no phoney "respect" in death. The man was a villain, and hopefully his death will spawn no more of the same
 
look3467
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by mabudon View Post

Well, if you believe as Falwell did about the devil and all that crap, maybe Falwell just plain "lost" to the bad guys

I just find it interesting to use the same harsh, diametric worldview as the man espoused to attempt to properly eulogize him... and I feel confident in this case, he who showed NO RESPECT to so many, needs no phoney "respect" in death. The man was a villain, and hopefully his death will spawn no more of the same

You have every right to make that statement.

If I were to say that God used him as an instrument, however flawed the instrument might be, I believe that God had accomplished His desire in Jerry and through Jerry.

Being flawed is a natural component of being human. The whole intended purpose of religion was to offset those flaws.

So, despite any flaws we might have, we can still be used mightily by God.

Here are a few examples of flaws in character: Peter (Foot in mouth), Moses (Tapping the rock twice), The 12 brothers of Joseph (Jealousy), King David (Having someone else’s wife), Saul (Having the Christians killed).

Those were all icons of biblical history.

For more modern times, we have presidents, evangelists, dictators, judges and all sorts of people who have some purpose in the scheme of things who are instrumental in goodness being born out of the quagmire.

The best description ever given about mankind’s hopelessness was by King Solomon “ Ecc 1:2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.

Meaning, that without God, mankind is utterly hopeless!

Peace>>>AJ
 
westmanguy
#13
Rev. Jerry Falwell
September 13th, 2001:

[T]he pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen." This man just hurt the image of Christians everywhere.
Last edited by #juan; May 16th, 2007 at 01:15 PM..
 
RomSpaceKnight
#14
That he did, that he did.
 
look3467
#15
I won't deny that he did, no more than a young teenager learning to grow towards maturity making mistakes along the way.

Peace>>>AJ
 
look3467
#16
The way I see it, both sides have equal disdain for each other. So, who's right?

Peace>>>AJ
 
Jsan
#17
The Devil? Why? Because he stood up for his moral beliefs? Because he did not cave in to what Hollywood and the politically correct of this generation tell us we should believe? I respect him more than the majority of most people in our society.
 
Pangloss
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by look3467 View Post

The way I see it, both sides have equal disdain for each other. So, who's right?

Peace>>>AJ

What stupid sophistry! What idiot ravings! Look, according to your logic: Hitler hated the Jews and the Jews hated Hitler - equal disdain, rock-for-brain, so, who's right?

My goodness, Look, but you tripped on this one.

Pangloss
 
Pangloss
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by Jsan View Post

The Devil? Why? Because he stood up for his moral beliefs? Because he did not cave in to what Hollywood and the politically correct of this generation tell us we should believe? I respect him more than the majority of most people in our society.

You respect someone who brought down hatred and injustice and hurt to anyone he thought was morally his inferior?

So, do you have a poster of Pol Pot in your bedroom?

Do you scrunch up your eyes and scream "Joseph Stalin!" when you climax?

Fallwell's reach might not have equaled the previous two, but his ambition was certainly their equal, as were his post-hoc justifications of whatever tactics he used, no matter how underhanded or hurtful.

This is one case where man=monster.

Pangloss
 
Jsan
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by Pangloss View Post

You respect someone who brought down hatred and injustice and hurt to anyone he thought was morally his inferior?

So, do you have a poster of Pol Pot in your bedroom?

Do you scrunch up your eyes and scream "Joseph Stalin!" when you climax?

Fallwell's reach might not have equaled the previous two, but his ambition was certainly their equal, as were his post-hoc justifications of whatever tactics he used, no matter how underhanded or hurtful.

This is one case where man=monster.

Pangloss



Let me see if I have this straight, you're comparing peoples objection to what they consider an immoral lifestyle to dictators who murdered millions of innocent civilians? This is a typical response by the homosexual community to anyone who objects to their lifestyle? They throw out words like "hate" and "intolerant" etc. etc. and they expect us to bow to and celebrate their particular lifestyle. I'm not Politically Correct and I do not need to be told how I should believe and what morals I should be living up to.
 
Pangloss
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by Jsan View Post

Let me see if I have this straight, you're comparing peoples objection to what they consider an immoral lifestyle to dictators who murdered millions of innocent civilians? This is a typical response by the homosexual community to anyone who objects to their lifestyle? They throw out words like "hate" and "intolerant" etc. etc. and they expect us to bow to and celebrate their particular lifestyle. I'm not Politically Correct and I do not need to be told how I should believe and what morals I should be living up to.

No, and if you read my post with any honesty you would not accuse me of that. Try again.

You are also burying your head in the sand of intolerance to think Fallwells hate speech towards the GLBT community, as well as to drug addicts, illegal immigrants and so many others has not encouraged real-world violence, discrimination and segregation. He said atheists have no morals and should not only be barred from public office, but not teach children either.

I love this line of yours, you should frame it: "I'm not Politically Correct and I do not need to be told how I should believe and what morals I should be living up to."

Priceless bit of religious right hypocrisy!

What the heck do you think Fallwell was doing? He said that our tolerance of the GLBT lifestyle made 9/11happen! What is that but hate speech?

Fallwell preached fear of god and hatred of the different or disputatious.

Pangloss.
 
Pangloss
#22
You never did answer the Uncle Joe question.

Pangloss
 
Jsan
#23
"What the heck do you think Fallwell was doing? He said that our tolerance of the GLBT lifestyle made 9/11happen! What is that but hate speech?"


There is no use getting into a debate about morals because as a humanist, your morals are based on your own convictions, what you would consider moral or immoral would be quite different than what another humanist would consider moral or immoral.
As far as Falwell blaming 9/11 on the gay lifestyle, abortions, etc. his point was that as a country, when you not only accept immorality but begin to celebrate it, God removes his hand of blessing and protection off a society that formally put him first and lived by his principals. The bible is filled with many examples of this.
 
TenPenny
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by Jsan View Post

I do not need to be told how I should believe and what morals I should be living up to.

Then why would you respect Jerry Falwell?
 
Pangloss
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by Jsan View Post

"What the heck do you think Fallwell was doing? He said that our tolerance of the GLBT lifestyle made 9/11happen! What is that but hate speech?"


There is no use getting into a debate about morals because as a humanist, your morals are based on your own convictions, what you would consider moral or immoral would be quite different than what another humanist would consider moral or immoral.
As far as Falwell blaming 9/11 on the gay lifestyle, abortions, etc. his point was that as a country, when you not only accept immorality but begin to celebrate it, God removes his hand of blessing and protection off a society that formally put him first and lived by his principals. The bible is filled with many examples of this.

Your blinding ignorance of humanism and ethics speaks volumes about you, and your understanding of anyone who does not self-identify as of your community, whatever that is.

The ironic thing is, humanists are the only ones willing to truly debate morality and ethics - heck, we were the ones who gave the topics a name!

You get yours from a book that claims homosexuality and shellfish an equal abomination! Awesome! Stone anyone who sews a garment with two kinds of thread lately? What about sideburn-trimmers?

Hey, you can always burn an ox.

Eager for a debate anytime - wanna start with the 10 commandments?

Iceland is almost totally non-religious, certainly Sweden loves the GLBT community - why isn't god punishing them?

What about Brunei? They're rich, peaceful, educated, happy, healthy, beautiful - and muslim.

Apologist for a wrong-headed bigot, that's what you are.

Pangloss
 
snfu73
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by Jsan View Post

The Devil? Why? Because he stood up for his moral beliefs? Because he did not cave in to what Hollywood and the politically correct of this generation tell us we should believe? I respect him more than the majority of most people in our society.

DEVIL!!!!
 
CHUCKMAN
#27
FALWELL'S LEGACY
John Chuckman
That great bulk, Jerry Falwell, has eaten his last family-size bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken.
Yes, Jerry has ordered his last tent-sized silk suit, taken his last bag of cash from lonely old ladies, and ordered his last truckload of cheap, merchandising Bibles with his picture stamped on the cover. Gone on to his reward, as they say.
He donated his organs, the only gesture of kindness recorded in his adult life, but they were all rejected, except for the spleen, reportedly large enough to serve three.
The following piece, written some years ago still aptly summarizes his legacy.
October 18, 2002
JABBA APOLOGIZES
John Chuckman
The Reverend Jerry Falwell has apologized again. It is his third-favorite occupation.
His first, as we all know, is using national television to promote the kind of intolerance and ignorance long associated with sweltery, fly-blown corners of America's South. It's a profitable business by the looks of Falwell's cascading jowls and tailored, tent-size suits. He generally doesn't apologize for these activities, whether it is his retailing of video-tapes sensationalizing the pitiful suicide of a member of President Clinton's staff, or his spending countless hours blubbering from the pulpit against the lives of people who happen to be gay.
He once alerted the nation to dangerous hidden tendencies he discovered in a British television show for children, a harmless piece of fluff called Teletubbies. Falwell gravely warned America that one of the tubbies was promoting homosexuality.
Being a hate-entrepreneur or appealing to the worst instincts of nitwits is not an unusual occupation in America. There are many people who make handsome livings much the way Falwell does, and they are not isolated in the dark corners of American society. Some of them have considerable influence. Success in accumulating money and making a name for yourself, however achieved, counts far more than decency or intelligence in America. Just ask the man who now occupies the White House.
Falwell's second-favorite occupation is making idiotic statements blaming others for disasters. In this he displays a common American trait, blaming others for what goes wrong. But Falwell takes the practice to a lunatic level, the best example being his statement, just days after 9/11, that America's liberal and gay citizens were responsible for God's allowing such destruction.
His third occupation is apologizing. Going way back to 1985, Falwell apologized to Jewish Americans for regularly using the expression "Christian America." He said he wouldn't use it in future, but nasty old habits are tough to break, and, in fact, he did use it again.
In 1999, he again apologized to Jews for what probably qualifies as his most bizarre and inexplicable utterance, "Antichrist was probably alive and that he was in the form of a male Jew." His apology expressed regret for having said these disturbing words but did not disavow belief in them.
Odd that on a recent tour in the United States, Mr. Netanyahu - Israel's answer to Richard Nixon with a generous dash of John Gotti tossed in - was photographed consulting with Mr. Falwell. There appears to be no shame to the alliances of intolerant politicos. But, as I said, money and celebrity count for immense influence in America, and it doesn't much matter what you did to get them.
About a week after 9/11, Falwell apologized for his having said, days before, that the nation's liberal and gay citizens were somehow responsible for very angry men from the other side of the planet high-jacking airliners and blowing up buildings in America. He made his original claim on the television program of another fundamentalist know-nothing, Pat Robertson, who readily responded with "I totally concur." Perhaps Robertson used "concur" rather than "agree" to emphasize the high tone of this scholarly exchange.
Now, Falwell has apologized for remarks on still another television show. Perhaps anxious to demonstrate his leadership capacity for making tasteless, ignorant statements at a time of international crisis, Falwell originally said he had read enough to believe that the prophet Muhammad was "a terrorist," "a violent man," and "a man of war."
One just has to wonder what it is that Falwell read. Perhaps it was one of the "comic strips" put out by some of his fellow American fundamentalists portraying Muslims as dark, evil characters opposing the nation's Christian values and Manifest Destiny. Precisely such material does circulate today in America. It is difficult to imagine Falwell ever having read a serious book, or at least having done so with any reasonable understanding. After all, this is a man on guard against Tinky Winky the teletubby.
I don't know whether anyone else has noticed recently, but Falwell is looking more and more like Jabba the Hutt, that gross outlaw slug from the Star Wars movies, although his voice and manner remind one rather of the late, professional cowboy-hick, Pat Butrum.
The growing resemblance strikes me as somehow oddly fitting, a kind of In the Heat of the Night-version of the Picture of Dorian Gray. Only here, the nasty figure himself grows more repulsive and bloated every week. But I feel sure that when the smarmy Falwell looks in a mirror, he knows just who to blame
 
Pangloss
#28
Or, you could join us on the "Devil Has Died" thread. . .

Pangloss
 
gc
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by Jsan View Post

As far as Falwell blaming 9/11 on the gay lifestyle, abortions, etc. his point was that as a country, when you not only accept immorality but begin to celebrate it, God removes his hand of blessing and protection off a society that formally put him first and lived by his principals. The bible is filled with many examples of this.

I wonder if Jerry would get mad if I said he had it coming to him for supporting the war in Iraq...
 
Zan
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by Pangloss View Post

Or, you could join us on the "Devil Has Died" thread. . .

Pangloss

I've merged them...
 

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