Gun Control is Completely Useless.


Hoid
#8011
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

Yes, you are an absolute moron,too.

You were the guy who was debating things are you?
 
Colpy
Conservative
#8012
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

If arming teachers isn't naive I don't know what is.

Schools being "gun free" zones.
 
Hoid
#8013
And we need to eliminate gun free zones because the answer is more guns.

Delta-NRA spat: Georgia's Casey Cagle threatens retaliation - Business Insider

L. Governor of Georgia says he will block any tax benefit to Delta until they reinstate their partnership with the NRA

"I will kill any tax legislation that benefits @Delta unless the company changes its position and fully reinstates its relationship with @NRA," Cagle said Monday. "Corporations cannot attack conservatives and expect us not to fight back."

This is how ****ed up America is.

The Republicans govern side by side with the NRA.

That's why the little spate in Florida where the elected lawmakers are fighting the NRA is so much show biz to soothe the bleeding masses.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#8014
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

And we need to eliminate gun free zones because the answer is more guns.

Delta-NRA spat: Georgia's Casey Cagle threatens retaliation - Business Insider

L. Governor of Georgia says he will block any tax benefit to Delta until they reinstate their partnership with the NRA

"I will kill any tax legislation that benefits @Delta unless the company changes its position and fully reinstates its relationship with @NRA," Cagle said Monday. "Corporations cannot attack conservatives and expect us not to fight back."

This is how ****ed up America is.

The Republicans govern side by side with the NRA.

That's why the little spate in Florida where the elected lawmakers are fighting the NRA is so much show biz to soothe the bleeding masses.

Maybe the Republicans have actually read the constitution.

And it is "spat". (typo, I know)
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
+1
#8015
Well, at least teachers were in the school during the shooting, as opposed to the deputies, who were not.
 
Hoid
#8016
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Maybe the Republicans have actually read the constitution.

And it is "spat". (typo, I know)

Where does it mention elected officials working for the NRA?
 
Colpy
Conservative
#8017
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Where does it mention elected officials working for the NRA?

It means the governor understands that the NRA is a constitutionally-protected assembly of the people, and that it is a civil rights group in defense of the Bill of Rights.

It would be like a governor challenging companies for removing connections with the NAACP.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#8018
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

that sounds extremely naive. you think criminals will disarm for you?



Don't be obtuse. If 'the top 1%' is used, it would be unlikely that the cities would first be separated into a half dozen categories.

Can I be a jerk? Like you? I made a f*cking observation. It seemed weird because, as I said, it's uncommon for Hooterville and New York City to be lumped together. We usually think that cities over 500,000 or so have problems different from smaller ones, and they have problems different from even smaller ones.

I wasn't disputing that Chicago's gun homicide rate is extremely high, and their gun laws don't seem to have done much about it. Why would I dispute that? It's obvious.
 
Hoid
#8019
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

It means the governor understands that the NRA is a constitutionally-protected assembly of the people, and that it is a civil rights group in defense of the Bill of Rights.

It would be like a governor challenging companies for removing connections with the NAACP.

Indeed when has anyone in government ever been wrong about anything
 
Murphy
Conservative
#8020
Try and stay with the discussion, Flossy. You aren't good at derailing anyone. Why bother trying? Oh wait, it's because you're a 14 year old male. Never mind.
 
bluebyrd35
No Party Affiliation
#8021
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

No they don't. 1/3 of the guns per 100k yet 1/2 as many murders per 100K as the USA.

That screams out saying less guns and more gun control doesn't make us safer.

Atoadaso!

Here you go 2016 stats.

Perhaps Canada should be adopting England & Wales gun laws and geez imagine they are still an elected Democracy.
 
JamesBondo
#8022
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Can I be a jerk? Like you?

Yes. You sometimes out do yourself.
 
Tecumsehsbones
+1
#8023
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

Yes. You sometimes out do yourself.

Damn right. When it comes to being a dick, you're pretty good, but you just don't have the professional training and experience.

Still, you give it a good run.
 
JamesBondo
#8024
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Damn right. When it comes to being a dick, you're pretty good, but you just don't have the professional training and experience.

Still, you give it a good run.

i dont care if its is call a dick or a dichtomy. mine is bigger and hairier than you girly man.
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+1
#8025
Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35 View Post

So a properly trained teacher would do better than the properly trained deputies did?? Why would an educator go into teaching children want to even do such a thing. They went to university to learn how to teach not to go head to head with an armed thug.

How about hiring released thugs from prison to protect the schools. Two for the price of one & it would eliminate those who are not comfortable shooting those of their own species. Furthermore it would give those so anxious to have a gun to earn money or get revenge an outlet for their rage against real or imagined slights.

There would be not need for a waiting period to acquire a gun, no need of background checks or the need to arm those who do not wish to be armed. Those who are so afraid of their own elected governments making the country into a dictatorship could rest at ease.

Ah me, I am sure there will be those who will think these are good suggestions. What a twisted world we have wrought!!

Hate to break your little bubble but convicted felons generally can't get gun permits.
 
Hoid
#8026
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Hate to break your little bubble but convicted felons generally can't get gun permits.

Yes, that's why it's a bad idea.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#8027
Where is the money coming from to control 300 million guns which on their own aren't a threat to anyone, anyway? (Has nothing been learned from this fiasco introduced in Canada about 20 years ago by the Liberals?)
 
bluebyrd35
No Party Affiliation
#8028
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Maybe the Republicans have actually read the constitution.

And it is "spat". (typo, I know)

Oh and have you read the bible recently?? Like the US constitution it is in many cases outdated. Most countries do not have slaves (except where the men favor sexual slaves), we have not stoned witches in awhile (not really a long time but not anymore) and we do not kill those who do not believe as we do (although those who are a bit twisted still shoot up churches or condemn all members of a religion they do not like or fear)

When the constitution was written the world as it now exists was unimaginable and is much changed. What sort of protection does every civilian carrying a personal weapon count against a nuclear bomb?? Cricky even if every single owner of those millions guns were fired at the incoming bomb, it would do less than sitting down and negotiating.

It has taken 2000 plus years to sort out the laws against slaughter of those accused of adultery, killing those who disagree with our version of God, or prosecuting and punishing those who steal, kill, or enslave another. Surely we can do better with gun laws

JLM Well maybe it would be much more efficient to jail all those who own guns, instead of introducing decent gun laws. They could in this way trade their guns for their freedom. (tongue in cheek)

Taxslave In the US they can. As I understand there is a 3 day waiting period in some states, none in others. In my opinion. it should be up to the wanna be gun owner who should be providing proof they are fit to own one. Imagine the cost of investigation of 300 million gun owners. Jail the lot of them and make the gun owners prove their own worthiness to own such weapons. ( Again tongue in cheek)

Sorry Pedro....here are the stats that did not go through on the last post

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081
Last edited by bluebyrd35; Feb 26th, 2018 at 11:45 PM..
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#8029
Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35 View Post

Oh and have you read the bible recently?? Like the US constitution it is in many cases outdated. Most countries do not have slaves (except where the men favor sexual slaves), we have not stoned witches in awhile (not really a long time but not anymore) and we do not kill those who do not believe as we do (although those who are a bit twisted still shoot up churches or condemn all members of a religion they do not like or fear)

When the constitution was written the world as it now exists was unimaginable and is much changed. What sort of protection does every civilian carrying a personal weapon count against a nuclear bomb?? Cricky even if every single owner of those millions guns were fired at the incoming bomb, it would do less than sitting down and negotiating.

It has taken 2000 plus years to sort out the laws against slaughter of those accused of adultery, killing those who disagree with our version of God, or prosecuting and punishing those who steal, kill, or enslave another. Surely we can do better with gun laws

JLM Well maybe it would be much more efficient to jail all those who own guns, instead of introducing decent gun laws. They could in this way trade their guns for their freedom. (tongue in cheek)

Taxslave In the US they can. As I understand there is a 3 day waiting period in some states, none in others. In my opinion. it should be up to the wanna be gun owner who should be providing proof they are fit to own one. Imagine the cost of investigation of 300 million gun owners. Jail the lot of them and make the gun owners prove their own worthiness to own such weapons. ( Again tongue in cheek)

"JLM Well maybe it would be much more efficient to jail all those who own guns, instead of introducing decent gun laws."

Why would you even contemplate jailing people who aren't breaking any laws or doing any harm?
 
bluebyrd35
No Party Affiliation
#8030
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

"JLM Well maybe it would be much more efficient to jail all those who own guns, instead of introducing decent gun laws."

Why would you even contemplate jailing people who aren't breaking any laws or doing any harm?

Only in the case of no reasonable gun laws. The determined parents and children who are determined not to die at the hands of mentally deranged or one who wants to make a reputation of killing the most people in the shortest time, who will not be silenced this time.

Good grief I saw a sign going to the flea market advertising rental of an assault weapon. Hopefully it was only for use in the building and not for taking home!!
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#8031
One of the biggest problems we have in this country is so many people's irrational fear of guns!
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
#8032
..and they appear to have an irrational fear of reality as well.


London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

Criminal justice experts insisted rising crime in the UK, and particularly London, was more to do with the way the city was policed and blamed the reduction in neighbourhood patrols across the capital.

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...stats-suggest/

It take its that's gun free London Vs gunned up New York.
 
Colpy
Conservative
+1 / -1
#8033
Israel proves the NRA's arguments

In reality, Israel's gun policy is living proof of the arguments the American gun lobby has been making for years.

Contact Editor Tzvi Lev, 21/02/18 10:38
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Tzvi Lev

Tzvi Lev is a newswriter at Arutz Sheva and is studying towards a degree in Arabic and Middle Eastern studies at Ariel University. He served as a company sergeant in an IDF combat unit.



Wednesday's horrific shooting in Florida has reignited the gun rights debate in the United States over the Second Amendment to the US Constitution, adopted in 1791, which states:: "... the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
In the past, proponents of limiting civilian access to firearms have extolled Israel as having the proper approach to limiting mass shootings, pointing to the numerous legal hoops Israelis must jump through in order to be granted a gun license.
"In Israel, gun ownership is a privilege rather than a right," wrote Public Radio International in November. "There is no such thing as a right to bear arms in Israel," the Huffington Post preached after the 2016 shooting in an Orlando nightclub that left 50 dead.
Newsweek praisedIsrael for obligating its citizens to "show genuine cause to carry a firearm, such as self-defense or hunting". The message is clear: Israel has the right approach in curtailing access to firearms, and the United States would be well advised to tread the same path.
In reality, Israel's gun policy is living proof of the arguments the American gun lobby has been making for years.
Gun rights advocates contend that the way to stop mass shootings is by ensuring that there are always well-armed citizens present who can neutralize the shooter. As NRA chairman Wayne Lapierre always says, "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun". A bedrock of the NRA's philosophy is that criminals will always acquire guns illegally, and draconian gun laws only render law-abiding citizens defenseless.

When the knife intifada erupted in September 2015, the Israeli government's response was to ease the process for the civilian populace to obtain weapons.
Enter Israel: When the knife intifada erupted in September 2015, the Israeli government's response was to ease the process for the civilian populace to obtain weapons. After a particularly bloody Jerusalem shooting attack that killed four, then-Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan drastically changed the gun laws in order to significantly raise the number of armed civilians on the streets. Instantly, graduates of Special Forces units and IDF officers with the rank of Lieutenant and above were permitted to purchase guns at their will, security guards were allowed to bring their guns home after work, and the minimum age for a license was reduced from 21 to 18.
Erdan explained that "civilians well trained in the use of weapons provide reinforcement in the struggle against terrorism", while Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat called for every resident to carry a gun, and was even photographed traveling the city carrying a Glock 23.
In addition, the overwhelming majority of terror attacks in Israel are stopped by armed civilians, not law enforcement. For example, the terrorists in the 2016 Sarona market attack were stopped by armed passersby. A pistol-carrying tour guide put an end to the 2017 ramming attack in Arnona that left four soldiers dead.
In Israeli eyes, guns are a valuable deterrent against terrorism. In fact, terrorists have told the Shin Bet internal security service that they often target haredi Jews due to the high likelihood that they are unarmed.
Gun control supporters would answer that the mandatory military service that every Israeli undergoes justifies the trust Israel has of its citizens. However, this argument doesn't hold water. The vast majority of IDF soldiers aren't combat soldiers and are certified as 02 riflemen. To be 02 requires one to shoot between 40 and 70 bullets. The pistol course needed to obtain a license takes less than four hours. It is a far cry from the highly trained population that the Left imagines.
Gun control has been proven to be a dismal failure in Israel. The Israeli Arab communities are rife with illegal weapons, with some police estimates putting the number of unlicensed weapons in the Arab sector as high as 500,000. Think about that for a second: The most heavily guarded borders in the world and a highly professional Shin Bet are still not enough to prevent criminals from obtaining illegal firearms.
When terrorists attacked a school in Maalot in 1974, Israel did not declare every school a gun-free zone. It passed a law mandating armed security in schools, provided weapons training to teachers and today runs frequent active shooter drills. There have been only two school shootings since then, and both have ended with teachers killing the terrorists.
It is an approach that the Americans should take to end the constant slaughter of innocents.




Israel proves the NRA's arguments - Israel National News

There have been two school shootings in Israel in the last 20 years.

Both were carried out by Palestinans.

In the first, a lone gunman with a full auto killed eight students before being shot dead by a teacher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercaz_HaRav_massacre

In the second, two trained Palestinian terrorists armed with (real) assault rifles and grenades attacked a Yeshiva (religious school for university age students) They were engaged by armed students, preventing a more serious massacre until soldiers arrived and killed the terrorists in a 30 minute gun battle.

Three dead students, one dead soldier.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshivat_Otniel_shooting

Game/set/match in this debate, my friends.
Last edited by Colpy; Feb 27th, 2018 at 08:46 AM..
 
bluebyrd35
No Party Affiliation
+1
#8034
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

"JLM Well maybe it would be much more efficient to jail all those who own guns, instead of introducing decent gun laws."

Why would you even contemplate jailing people who aren't breaking any laws or doing any harm?

Realize, it is not the guns but the people that are allowed to use them that is the problem?? The laws must be for those aspiring to own a gun. Do we allow children to drive, before reaching a suitably mature age, have had enough knowledge of road rules to not kill or maim themselves or others?

No normal person fears a car or a gun. But, they must if normal, fear the lack of responsibly of some who aspire to acquire them.

What is very obvious is the rabid fear engendered when laws suggesting any sort of limits on the type of weapons, or the capabilities of those who aspire to acquire one are even suggested!! Is it fear of personal impotence or loss of control of their world ?
 
Murphy
Conservative
+3
#8035
Education is the key. Not more laws.
 
bluebyrd35
No Party Affiliation
-1
#8036
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Israel proves the NRA's arguments

In reality, Israel's gun policy is living proof of the arguments the American gun lobby has been making for years.

Contact Editor Tzvi Lev, 21/02/18 10:38
Share



Tzvi Lev

Tzvi Lev is a newswriter at Arutz Sheva and is studying towards a degree in Arabic and Middle Eastern studies at Ariel University. He served as a company sergeant in an IDF combat unit.



Wednesday's horrific shooting in Florida has reignited the gun rights debate in the United States over the Second Amendment to the US Constitution, adopted in 1791, which states:: "... the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
In the past, proponents of limiting civilian access to firearms have extolled Israel as having the proper approach to limiting mass shootings, pointing to the numerous legal hoops Israelis must jump through in order to be granted a gun license.
"In Israel, gun ownership is a privilege rather than a right," wrote Public Radio International in November. "There is no such thing as a right to bear arms in Israel," the Huffington Post preached after the 2016 shooting in an Orlando nightclub that left 50 dead.
Newsweek praisedIsrael for obligating its citizens to "show genuine cause to carry a firearm, such as self-defense or hunting". The message is clear: Israel has the right approach in curtailing access to firearms, and the United States would be well advised to tread the same path.
In reality, Israel's gun policy is living proof of the arguments the American gun lobby has been making for years.
Gun rights advocates contend that the way to stop mass shootings is by ensuring that there are always well-armed citizens present who can neutralize the shooter. As NRA chairman Wayne Lapierre always says, "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun". A bedrock of the NRA's philosophy is that criminals will always acquire guns illegally, and draconian gun laws only render law-abiding citizens defenseless.

When the knife intifada erupted in September 2015, the Israeli government's response was to ease the process for the civilian populace to obtain weapons.
Enter Israel: When the knife intifada erupted in September 2015, the Israeli government's response was to ease the process for the civilian populace to obtain weapons. After a particularly bloody Jerusalem shooting attack that killed four, then-Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan drastically changed the gun laws in order to significantly raise the number of armed civilians on the streets. Instantly, graduates of Special Forces units and IDF officers with the rank of Lieutenant and above were permitted to purchase guns at their will, security guards were allowed to bring their guns home after work, and the minimum age for a license was reduced from 21 to 18.
Erdan explained that "civilians well trained in the use of weapons provide reinforcement in the struggle against terrorism", while Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat called for every resident to carry a gun, and was even photographed traveling the city carrying a Glock 23.
In addition, the overwhelming majority of terror attacks in Israel are stopped by armed civilians, not law enforcement. For example, the terrorists in the 2016 Sarona market attack were stopped by armed passersby. A pistol-carrying tour guide put an end to the 2017 ramming attack in Arnona that left four soldiers dead.
In Israeli eyes, guns are a valuable deterrent against terrorism. In fact, terrorists have told the Shin Bet internal security service that they often target haredi Jews due to the high likelihood that they are unarmed.
Gun control supporters would answer that the mandatory military service that every Israeli undergoes justifies the trust Israel has of its citizens. However, this argument doesn't hold water. The vast majority of IDF soldiers aren't combat soldiers and are certified as 02 riflemen. To be 02 requires one to shoot between 40 and 70 bullets. The pistol course needed to obtain a license takes less than four hours. It is a far cry from the highly trained population that the Left imagines.
Gun control has been proven to be a dismal failure in Israel. The Israeli Arab communities are rife with illegal weapons, with some police estimates putting the number of unlicensed weapons in the Arab sector as high as 500,000. Think about that for a second: The most heavily guarded borders in the world and a highly professional Shin Bet are still not enough to prevent criminals from obtaining illegal firearms.
When terrorists attacked a school in Maalot in 1974, Israel did not declare every school a gun-free zone. It passed a law mandating armed security in schools, provided weapons training to teachers and today runs frequent active shooter drills. There have been only two school shootings since then, and both have ended with teachers killing the terrorists.
It is an approach that the Americans should take to end the constant slaughter of innocents.




Israel proves the NRA's arguments - Israel National News

There have been two school shootings in Israel in the last 20 years.

Both were carried out by Palestinans.

In the first, a lone gunman with a full auto killed eight students before being shot dead by a teacher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercaz_HaRav_massacre

In the second, two trained Palestinian terrorists armed with (real) assault rifles and grenades attacked a Yeshiva (religious school for university age students) They were engaged by armed students, preventing a more serious massacre until soldiers arrived and killed the terrorists in a 30 minute gun battle.

Three dead students, one dead soldier.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshivat_Otniel_shooting

Game/set/match in this debate, my friends.

LOL For Gawd's sake are you equating those who have been at war with each other for 2000 years or more, with other areas of the developed world? Are you suggesting the laws of nations who are not at war, compose their laws as though they were?? Nah you can't possibly be.

Isn't the goal of most nations, peace and negotiation of differences. Remember Israel was carved out of Arab land at the end of the last world war, without compensation. That sort of beginning kind of permanently sours any relationship. The situation in the middle east is like no other with no end in sight.
 
Hoid
#8037
Oh ffs there are literally dozens of countries that have little if any gun violence in their schools.

How ****ing hard can it be?
 
bluebyrd35
No Party Affiliation
#8038
Quote: Originally Posted by Murphy View Post

Education is the key. Not more laws.

When raising children all families have rules. Some are good and some are bad. Consider reasonable laws such as those governing owning and driving a car as the national family rules. The rules and laws demand education. Learning the dangers and advantages of any scenario i.e. hitting siblings with hammer or careless or deliberate misuse of a deadly weapon is paramount if one wishes to escape the bad or enjoy the play.

Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post

..and they appear to have an irrational fear of reality as well.


London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

Criminal justice experts insisted rising crime in the UK, and particularly London, was more to do with the way the city was policed and blamed the reduction in neighbourhood patrols across the capital.

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...stats-suggest/

It take its that's gun free London Vs gunned up New York.

Whoa the whole UK had 26 gun murders while the US had 11,004 during the same period. Pub,date Oct,2017 I bet
 
Walter
+4
#8039
Of 27 Deadliest Mass Shooters, 26 of Them Were Fatherless
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#8040
Quote: Originally Posted by Murphy View Post

Education is the key. Not more laws.

Yes. Teach your children that owning powerful weapons is no substitute for bring a real man.