Democrat Party Civil War Begins


Tecumsehsbones
#361
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Sorry Cal. southern border her state not district.

You do realize that California is gigantic, in terms of population, economy, and geography, right?

And you do realize that Pelosi is a U.S. Representative, which means that she represents her district and not the State of California, right?

Where do you get these stupid arguments?
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#362
Watching the tube this morning it looks like a lot of the wall is built in Southern Cal.
 
Hoid
#363
And yet there are illegals in So Cal.

It would lead a normal person to question the effectiveness of walls as a deterrent
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#364
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

You do realize that California is gigantic, in terms of population, economy, and geography, right?
And you do realize that Pelosi is a U.S. Representative, which means that she represents her district and not the State of California, right?
Where do you get these stupid arguments?

And? I misquoted this morning so that deserves a personal attack? Pelosi has never condemned the Southern Cal. wall/fence, she just condemns Trump's wall/fencing doesn't change that fact by lecturing me on how big California is. Is it bigger land wise than BC?
 
Tecumsehsbones
+1 / -1
#365
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

And? I misquoted this morning so that deserves a personal attack? Pelosi has never condemned the Southern Cal. wall/fence, she just condemns Trump's wall/fencing doesn't change that fact by lecturing me on how big California is. Is it bigger land wise than BC?

Because, and here is my interpretation. I'm going to be flat-out honest with you, and bring you to some facts you may not know:

1. Walls, historically, have failed. The Great Wall of China, Hadrian's Wall, the Berlin Wall, and the so-called "Peace Walls" in Belfast, Northern Ireland, separating Catholic and Protestant ghettoes, have had mixed results at best.

2. It is difficult if not impossible, legally and from an engineering standpoint, to build a wall from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific along the Rio Grande valley and through the Sonora Desert. In addition to the various engineering challenges, the wall will necessarily strand privately owned American land on the wrong side.

3. More than half of all illegal aliens in the country are visa overstays, not illegal border crossers. Which means they came legally, and then stayed when the law required them to leave. The wall would do absolutely nothing to stop visa overstays.

4. There are any number of ways to defeat a wall. Break it. Ladders. Tunnels. Use the breaches caused by nature and poor maintenance.

5. Most of the border is thinly populated, environmentally hostile territory. Maintaining the wall will be a massive, ongoing expense.

6. There are many place where physical barriers make sense, and will contribute to border security. And we have physical barriers in those places, and constantly evaluate various stretches of the border for the usefulness of barriers.

7. There are hundreds of other techniques that are cheaper and more effective, each to its own stretch of border.

8. Illegal immigration at the southern border is down 80% from highs in the early 2000s.

In conclusion: the wall is a purely symbolic gesture, with little actual utility. Ergo it is a waste of money to satisfy Tiny's insatiable ego. Not worth 5.7 billion, especially when even Tiny says 5.7 billion is just a "down payment." MIT engineers estimate the cost of building the wall at 40 billion, and that does not include maintenance.

Not worth it.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#366
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Watching the tube this morning it looks like a lot of the wall is built in Southern Cal.

That's the one that they built around Watts to keep Rodeo Drive safe.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#367
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

And yet there are illegals in So Cal.
It would lead a normal person to question the effectiveness of walls as a deterrent

Maybe that's why they are building hard structure security?
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#368
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Because, and here is my interpretation. I'm going to be flat-out honest with you, and bring you to some facts you may not know:
1. Walls, historically, have failed. The Great Wall of China, Hadrian's Wall, the Berlin Wall, and the so-called "Peace Walls" in Belfast, Northern Ireland, separating Catholic and Protestant ghettoes, have had mixed results at best.
2. It is difficult if not impossible, legally and from an engineering standpoint, to build a wall from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific along the Rio Grande valley and through the Sonora Desert. In addition to the various engineering challenges, the wall will necessarily strand privately owned American land on the wrong side.
3. More than half of all illegal aliens in the country are visa overstays, not illegal border crossers. Which means they came legally, and then stayed when the law required them to leave. The wall would do absolutely nothing to stop visa overstays.
4. There are any number of ways to defeat a wall. Break it. Ladders. Tunnels. Use the breaches caused by nature and poor maintenance.
5. Most of the border is thinly populated, environmentally hostile territory. Maintaining the wall will be a massive, ongoing expense.
6. There are many place where physical barriers make sense, and will contribute to border security. And we have physical barriers in those places, and constantly evaluate various stretches of the border for the usefulness of barriers.
7. There are hundreds of other techniques that are cheaper and more effective, each to its own stretch of border.
8. Illegal immigration at the southern border is down 80% from highs in the early 2000s.
In conclusion: the wall is a purely symbolic gesture, with little actual utility. Ergo it is a waste of money to satisfy Tiny's insatiable ego. Not worth 5.7 billion, especially when even Tiny says 5.7 billion is just a "down payment." MIT engineers estimate the cost of building the wall at 40 billion, and that does not include maintenance.
Not worth it.

Thanks for this, when you have an immigration policy like yours with one step on US soil it only makes sense to try and deter that one step. Are illegal's going to get through? Of course they will find a way if it can stem it by 50% wouldn't it be worth it compared to the burden on the economy?


With the tiny fraction of "irregular" crossers up here the wall debate already started, especially in Quebec. The 1st country loophole is already being debated by the Cons. for the upcoming election, closing the irregular loophole would eliminate irregulars from being treated differently than legal ports of entry, common sense that the Libs. are rejecting.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#369
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Maybe that's why they are building hard structure security?

Yes, because that is a good solution for parts of southern California.

Can you get your head around the notion that a good solution for the urban Tijuana/San Diego interface might could, just maybe, not be the best solution for the uninhabited, hardpan desert in southern Arizona?
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#370
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Yes, because that is a good solution for parts of southern California.
Can you get your head around the notion that a good solution for the urban Tijuana/San Diego interface might could, just maybe, not be the best solution for the uninhabited, hardpan desert in southern Arizona?


Watch chunks of the Sonoran Desert disappear into the honeycomb of tunnels dug underneath it, periodically. The wall it's self might even fall over, undermined by all of the saps.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#371
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Yes, because that is a good solution for parts of southern California.
Can you get your head around the notion that a good solution for the urban Tijuana/San Diego interface might could, just maybe, not be the best solution for the uninhabited, hardpan desert in southern Arizona?

I agree that natural barriers have no need for fencing and surveillance maybe the better or cheaper solution.
 
Hoid
#372
most illegals get into America as legals and stay.

wall irrelevant.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
Walter
+1
#374
Moore Says To Boycott Starbucks
https://www.dailywire.com/news/42959...ntil-paul-bois

Too funny.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#375
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Moore Says To Boycott Starbucks
https://www.dailywire.com/news/42959...ntil-paul-bois

Too funny.

They always love them till they hate them . He uses city water for his coffee .
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
#376
They do in Israel.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#377
Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post

They do in Israel.

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/....reat-1.6470602

http://www.npr.org/2018/12/04/673181...r-with-lebanon

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_...ggling_tunnels

http://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-sea...ecurity-fence/

This idea that people are too stupid or intimidated to dig under tunnels is falacious.
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
+1
#378
Democrat Scandal EXPLODES, This Is Just Insane

Timcast ( A leftie)
Published on Feb 6, 2019

from the comments:

Acts17Apologetics
On the bright side, if Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring and Virginia Governor Ralph Northam resign, they can have a second career as a rap/dance group called "The Blackface Boys."

Jerid Glasspoole
democrats is the party of the KKK, Black Panthers, Antifa, and just about every other American racist groups. Yet people still think their the good guys. lol.

Stanton High
Tim, you arent pro choice anymore just like you arent a democrat anymore.
Tough pills.

warhellride
"tHe RePuBliCaN PaRty iS FuLL oF RaCiSts" they said..... "DeMoCrAts StAnD fOr MiNoRiTiEs" they said.....

slados1
I used to think that Alex Jones was crazy for all of his "demonic democrats" rants but... uhmmm... yeah... now I'm kind of starting to believe there's something to it after all. Besides, who shouts the loudest and accuses of others of RACISM, BIGOTRY and general nasty behaviour and beliefs? Oh yeah, it's the racists, bigots and actual nasty people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qSodCrb6KQ
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
+1
#379
They catch them in Israel cause they have technology - something you sailors just don't understand.

Israel using ‘passive seismic’ technology to expose Hezbollah’s attack tunnels
IDF says its sophisticated sensors are able to monitor Hezbollah tunnel drilling throughout the northern border area
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel...ttack-tunnels/

Bolton: US ‘strongly supports’ anti-tunnel operation in Israel’s north
Trump’s national security adviser warns Hezbollah not to exacerbate situation as military works to destroy cross-border passages
https://www.timesofisrael.com/bolton...israels-north/

Btw, no one goes to unlabeled links, so get off your lazy ass and tag them ..as we have asked before - or is that right up there with tunnel finding technology at your tent?


Not to mention the amount of cross border traffic with and without tunnels is only comparable when you have NO BRAIN

Jeez.

Border Patrol Agents Shut Down Tunnel Construction at Border With Mexico
The tunnel was about 50 feet long and 2 feet wide by 2 feet tall, and while it was incomplete, it was apparently designed for smuggling, the Tucson Sector Border Patrol said
https://freebeacon.com/national-secu...r-with-mexico/

Yup bringing mexico north one hard hat full at a time.


OK here is the first one I checked cause I knew it would be BULLSH!T!!!
Dumb ass:
Israel's Army Says It Found Tunnels Dug By Hezbollah Beneath Border With Lebanon
https://www.npr.org/2018/12/04/67318...r-with-lebanon

WHAT WALL IS THERE ON THAT BORDER?????

I see why you don't label your links...bub...seriously.
Last edited by Danbones; Feb 7th, 2019 at 08:43 AM..
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#380
It's EXPLIDED! ...

... in your little brain ...
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#381
Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post

They catch them in Israel cause they have technology - something you sailors just don't understand.

They catch some of them eventually. You will need a big army, continuous deployed to find some or even most of the tunnels cut from Mexico into the US.

Tunnels only work if you spent your childhood being locked in a cupboard.
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
+1
#382
from your other link:

Hamas would like nothing more than to fight the Israeli army on its own tunnel-filled turf , says senior Israeli officer
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...reat-1.6470602

Well BULLSH!T AGAIN!!!!

OK You can just consider yourself labeled now.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#383
It's a seive.
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
+1
#384
War in Oregon! Antifa leader killed, retaliatory bombing thwarted by police.

The guy went to his daughter's school with a gun, and a bag full of mags, to claim his daughter, who he was NOT the legal custodian of. THEN out side the school he drew on the cops and was shot and killed. He was the ANTIFA firearms instructor.
Looks like he failed his test.

Now, they just found BOMBS around the police station, which they believe were planted in revenge by his fellow antifah Commies COWARDS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTvxZ_C-_nI

An auntifag board member, involved with a bunch of difference antifa movements - a school shooter, draws on police, gets shot, his commie buddies plant bombs around the police station, and this isn't national news because of the trumphating nazicommisfacsistglobalist, bought, and paid for media, that like the trumphating democrats, and their IDJIT (Read BS!!!) supporters, are imploding because they are all nothing but FAKENEWS morons.

hahahahaha

TRUMPHATING "LEFTBEHIND" COMMIES

wow
Last edited by Danbones; Feb 7th, 2019 at 09:40 AM..
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
#385
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

It's a seive.

Where is the wall in those links doooood?

Anyone can tunnel in their own yard - who cares?

Miners do it all the time.

Like I said, they are NOT tunneling much under ISRAEL'S wall.

The 40-mile-long wall will run the length of Israel's border with the Gaza Strip
...working 24 hours a day, six days a week — breaking only for the Sabbath — to complete the wall by mid-2019.
https://www.npr.org/sections/paralle...k-gaza-tunnels

Some old news now. No more tunnels there.

The sooner one gets started, the sooner one gets done.
Last edited by Danbones; Feb 7th, 2019 at 09:44 AM..
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
+1
#386
Hey that antifa school shooter fired TWICE at cops before they smoked his sorry ass.

Bodycam Video Shows ‘Non-Gender-Specific’ Antifa Criminal Killed By Cops At School
The ‘man,’ who identified as ‘non-gender specific’ took loaded firearms and a backpack of ammo to the school and attempted to shoot the officers. His daughter was on the scene when he was killed.
https://conservativedailypost.com/bo...ops-at-school/

Yeah pulls a gun in a gun free zone...we see why you want them guns.
 
EagleSmack
+1
#387
Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post

Hey that antifa school shooter fired TWICE at cops before they smoked his sorry ass.

Bodycam Video Shows ‘Non-Gender-Specific’ Antifa Criminal Killed By Cops At School
The ‘man,’ who identified as ‘non-gender specific’ took loaded firearms and a backpack of ammo to the school and attempted to shoot the officers. His daughter was on the scene when he was killed.
https://conservativedailypost.com/bo...ops-at-school/

Yeah pulls a gun in a gun free zone...we see why you want them guns.


The Antifa creep was most likely going to be a school shooter.
 
EagleSmack
+1
#388
Ilhan Omar apologizes after Pelosi denounces tweet as anti-Semitic


http://www.politico.com/story/2019/0...mitism-1163728




Speaker Pelosi is having a tough time keeping the racists and bigots in the House of Reps in line.


The Democrat Civil War rages on.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
+1
#389
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Ilhan Omar apologizes after Pelosi denounces tweet as anti-Semitic


http://www.politico.com/story/2019/0...mitism-1163728




Speaker Pelosi is having a tough time keeping the racists and bigots in the House of Reps in line.


The Democrat Civil War rages on.

Yes Nancy wants to keep all those big Jewish donors happy .
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
+2
#390
Jussie Smollett’s neighbors cast doubt on his attack story

CHICAGO — Nearly two weeks after “Empire” star Jussie Smollett claimed he was the victim of a racist, homophobic attack, cops have yet to identify any suspects — and some people in his tony Chicago neighborhood are growing skeptical.

“I don’t believe it happened the way he said it did,” said Agin Muhammad, who lives in the same swank high-rise near the Navy Pier as Smollett.

“I’ve been in this neighborhood five years. I don’t believe it, not around here … Half the people are gay and the other half are black.”

A patron at Lizzie McNeill’s Irish Pub, about a block from the scene of the alleged Jan. 29 incident, said Smollett’s story “doesn’t really make sense.”

“It’s a lie, because Chicago is the most liberal city around,” said the man, who wouldn’t give his name. “They have cameras everywhere … Why can’t they find the attack?”

Cops have said they found plenty of surveillance video, but none that captured the incident.

Meanwhile, Chicago police said Sunday that Smollett has yet to turn over data from his cellphone to verify that he was on the phone with his music manager, Brandon Moore, when he was allegedly attacked.

Moore has said he heard Smollett’s assailants shout a “racial slur” and the words “MAGA country,” an apparent reference to President Trump’s “Make America Great Again” slogan.

“We have no reason to doubt the statements, but for a criminal investigation, we need to independently confirm the phone records,” Chicago police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said.

https://nypost.com/2019/02/11/jussie...-attack-story/

Well, its sure looking like Smollett hoided the story isn't it?

lol, the fakenews Chicago blues.

At some point the last of the real HONEST DEMOCRATIC voters are going to have to go to the center just to find some relief from the earned ridicule all liars are left to live with.

It won't be a civil war at all with all these hate filled fibbers running loose. The real left are bound to realize at some point these totally dishonest liars have blown any chance they ever had at winning the 2020.
Last edited by Danbones; Feb 11th, 2019 at 07:01 PM..