If It Helps Any. . .


Tecumsehsbones
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We got our own pipeline dwama.

Still waiting on the suspiciously-pale Indians to show up, though.

U.S. Supreme Court to decide winner in case of gas pipeline vs. Appalachian Trail

By Gregory S. Schneider and Robert Barnes
Feb. 23, 2020 at 12:17 p.m. EST

The Atlantic Coast Pipeline begins in West Virginia and is planned to cross some of the most mountainous scenery in central Virginia before completing its 600-mile path in North Carolina.

Work in Virginia has been halted for more than a year as the builders contend with a host of setbacks handed down by federal courts. None is more crucial than the question of whether the U.S. Forest Service has authority to grant the pipeline right of way under the Appalachian Trail in the George Washington National Forest.

Judges from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit threw out a Forest Service permit in December 2018, saying federal law prohibits any agency from allowing a pipeline on “lands in the National Park System.” That includes the trail, the judges said.

The pipeline’s builders, led by Dominion Energy, appealed to the high court, saying the ruling could create an impenetrable wall along the trail’s course from Georgia to Maine.

“Simply put, there is no basis in any federal statute to conclude that Congress intended to convert the Appalachian Trail into a 2,200-mile barrier separating critical natural resources from the eastern seaboard,” lawyer Paul Clement wrote in a brief on behalf of the pipeline.

The plaintiffs note that pipelines already cross the trail at 34 locations.

The Trump administration has weighed in on behalf of the project, with Solicitor General Noel Francisco arguing that while the National Park Service administers the trail, the land beneath it is controlled by the Forest Service.

Environmentalists fighting the construction argue that no pipeline has been granted a right of way across the trail on federal land since it became part of the park system. Other crossings are on private or state lands or on easements that predate federal ownership.

Trying to separate the land from the trail is an “elusively metaphysical distinction” that “contradicts the government’s own long-standing approach to administering the Trail,” according to a brief from lawyer Michael K. Kellogg, who will argue for the environmental groups in Monday’s hearing.

Virginia Attorney General Mark R. Herring (D) has filed a brief on behalf of the project’s opponents, arguing that the pipeline threatens “several of Virginia’s most cherished places.” Herring also questions whether there is any economic need for the pipeline, noting that “the demand for natural gas will remain flat or decrease for the foreseeable future and can be met with existing infrastructure.”

The high court’s ruling could determine the fate of the Atlantic Coast Pipeline, a controversial project that has drawn national attention from environmentalists, including former vice president Al Gore. Approved by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission in 2017, the pipeline initially was projected to cost about $5 billion but has ballooned in price with multiple delays.

More at https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...a77_story.html

See? The whole thing's much simpler when you just send the token Indian home and admit it's a straight-up, white-on-white handbag fight.
 
petros
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Any chance the gas is to be used in converted coal powerplants?
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Any chance the gas is to be used in converted coal powerplants?

But. . . but. . . then Trump's support of the pipeline would be a BETRAYAL of his promise to the coal miners!

So, yeah, for sure.
 
petros
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Excellent.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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The whole liberal objection to pipelines ignores the fact that they're the most eco-friendly way to transport materials, we need the materials, and even if we put on a Manhattan-project push for allegedly green energy, we're decades away from 100% green without a catastrophic collapse of living standards and economies.

They just kinda lie there and transport, whilst above, all the birdies and squirrelies and bunnies get on about their lives undisturbed. And when the Green Paradise comes, it's really not hard to rip 'em out and recycle the materials. From an eco point of view, they beat hell out of roads.
 
Hoid
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There are over 4 million kms of pipeline in America

Picking a winner would seem to be child's play.
 
taxslave
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What we need is more Texans. They have just passed a law making it illegal to blockade pipelines.. I strongly suspect that someone with a major stake in rail lines is financially involved in the pipeline protests. Warren Buffet?
 
Girth
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

What we need is more Texans. They have just passed a law making it illegal to blockade pipelines.. I strongly suspect that someone with a major stake in rail lines is financially involved in the pipeline protests. Warren Buffet?

I cannot see that being a problem in a couple of years when Alberta and Saskatchewan break off from confederation.
Last edited by Girth; 4 weeks ago at 06:09 AM..
 
Jinentonix
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Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post

I cannot see that being a problem in a couple of years when Alberta and Saskatchewan break off from confederation.

You can't? Unless they join the US, how the f*ck ya think they're gonna get their petroleum products to market?

They would be two landlocked territories trying to move their product through what would become a foreign country. They may be having a hard time doing it now, but it'll be impossible if they separate.
 
pgs
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

You can't? Unless they join the US, how the f*ck ya think they're gonna get their petroleum products to market?

They would be two landlocked territories trying to move their product through what would become a foreign country. They may be having a hard time doing it now, but it'll be impossible if they separate.

If Alberta and or Saskatchewan separate , what do you think B.C. would do ?
 
Jinentonix
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Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

If Alberta and or Saskatchewan separate , what do you think B.C. would do ?

BC is a hippy dippy province nicely aligned with the ALT-left agenda in Canada. Allan Fotheringham didn't call it British California for nothin'.
 
pgs
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

BC is a hippy dippy province nicely aligned with the ALT-left agenda in Canada. Allan Fotheringham didn't call it British California for nothin'.

Well you , obviously don’t live here . B. C. Is an economic powerhouse , cheap abundant reliable hydro electricity . Sea ports that provide access to world wide markets . Prime agricultural land , forestry , mining and fisheries. The GulfIslands and Victoria are a small part of the province .
 
B00Mer
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Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post

I cannot see that being a problem in a couple of years when Alberta and Saskatchewan break off from confederation.

...and become a Banana republic.
 
B00Mer
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Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Well you , obviously don’t live here . B. C. Is an economic powerhouse , cheap abundant reliable hydro electricity . Sea ports that provide access to world wide markets . Prime agricultural land , forestry , mining and fisheries. The GulfIslands and Victoria are a small part of the province .

So just persuade the Vancouver Population to vote for a Pro-Industry party, like the Conservatives.
 
pgs
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

So just persuade the Vancouver Population to vote for a Pro-Industry party, like the Conservatives.

We normally do , every decade or two people get antsy for a change . Last election was anybody but Christie and she still almost won .
 
Mowich
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

BC is a hippy dippy province nicely aligned with the ALT-left agenda in Canada. Allan Fotheringham didn't call it British California for nothin'.

Actually, Jin ...........La La Land is the correct term. And again, I feel the need to point out that it is the Left Coast that are in the ranks of the Alt-Left loonies- although there are many poor right thinking souls forced to live among the nutballs. We in the Interior and the North of the province are much more intelligent.
 
Mowich
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

So just persuade the Vancouver Population to vote for a Pro-Industry party, like the Conservatives.


How does one go about 'persuading' a portion of the population to change their minds when both the provincial and federal governments are just as Alt-Left? There is zero chance that those entrenched in their anti-everything resource will change their minds now after years of fighting tooth and nail against any type of extraction.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

Actually, Jin ...........La La Land is the correct term. And again, I feel the need to point out that it is the Left Coast that are in the ranks of the Alt-Left loonies- although there are many poor right thinking souls forced to live among the nutballs. We in the Interior and the North of the province are much more intelligent.

You've clearly never been to Orange County or Bakersfield.
 
Ron in Regina
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Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

If Alberta and or Saskatchewan separate , what do you think B.C. would do ?

Learn to speak Mandarin or Cantonese?
 
pgs
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Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

Actually, Jin ...........La La Land is the correct term. And again, I feel the need to point out that it is the Left Coast that are in the ranks of the Alt-Left loonies- although there are many poor right thinking souls forced to live among the nutballs. We in the Interior and the North of the province are much more intelligent.

Not really if you think about it . In the early years of the last century the north and interior held the political power and let the English power brokers in Vancouver and Victoria wrest it away .
 
pgs
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

Learn to speak Mandarin or Cantonese?

Not going to happen . We on the coast may seem to be overrun , but it isn’t really the case . To many different demographics involved , not one cohesive unit .
 
Girth
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Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

If Alberta and or Saskatchewan separate , what do you think B.C. would do ?

BC would have little choice but to form an economic alliance with Alberta and Saskatchewan. More autonomy would go a long way, in diffusing this crisis. The Western provinces should work to reduce any kind of Eastern Canadian influence and reliance, and become completely self-sufficient.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

Learn to speak Mandarin or Cantonese?

How would that be more foreign than English?
 
Ron in Regina
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Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Not going to happen . We on the coast may seem to be overrun , but it isn’t really the case . To many different demographics involved , not one cohesive unit .

Currently as BC is part of Canada and not an island west of Buffalo at this point. I thought it was a hypothetical question being "What would BC do if Alberta & Sask (not that they're going to) separated from Canada. I think in less than 30yrs BC would first become "Cascadia" and shortly after would become "New Zhōngguó"

You think, given the opportunity to have a foothold in North America that China wouldn't be all over BC with submarine pens up and down the west coast of NZ ( New Zhōngguó) ?? They'd be on that like white on rice, and don't you worry about the NZ thing being copy-write of New Zealand as by that point New Zealand would be just another Hong Kong off the East Coast of Australia for strategic purposes. China having the opportunity to chew out a chunk of North America between Alaska & the West Coast of the USA? Please....in a freak'n heartbeat on the time scale that China plans for.
 
Ron in Regina
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Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Not going to happen . We on the coast may seem to be overrun , but it isn’t really the case . To many different demographics involved , not one cohesive unit .

Currently as BC is part of Canada and not an island west of Buffalo at this point. I thought it was a hypothetical question being "What would BC do if Alberta & Sask (not that they're going to) separated from Canada. I think in less than 30yrs BC would first become "Cascadia" and shortly after would become "New Zhōngguó"

You think, given the opportunity to have a foothold in North America that China wouldn't be all over BC with submarine pens up and down the west coast of NZ ( New Zhōngguó) ?? They'd be on that like white on rice, and don't you worry about the NZ thing being copy-write of New Zealand as by that point New Zealand would be just another Hong Kong off the East Coast of Australia for strategic purposes. China having the opportunity to chew out a chunk of North America between Alaska & the West Coast of the USA? Please....in a freak'n heartbeat on the time scale that China plans for.
 
Ron in Regina
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

How would that be more foreign than English?

I'm making a future political observation. To function in BC for most of the last hundred years you'd have best learned English, and it isolated from Canada then to function in BC for most of the next hundred years you'd have best learned Cantonese if not Mandarin.
 
Mowich
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

You've clearly never been to Orange County or Bakersfield.

Actually.......I have been to Bakersfield, Tec. The city itself doesn't stick out in my mind as we made our visit as brief as possible. What does stick out in my mind is crossing over from Nevada into California. The shock of seeing mounds upon mounds of every conceivable type of garbage filling the ditches just flat out floored me.
 
Mowich
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

Learn to speak Mandarin or Cantonese?

 
Mowich
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Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

If Alberta and or Saskatchewan separate , what do you think B.C. would do ?


Well the Left Coast loonies and most unfortuantely all those good citizens who haven't been indoctrinated in new world order dogma will one day be lost to the sea as an earth quake triggered tsunami cleanses the coast line of all the man-made encroachments upon it. It will then be declared an UNESCO World Heritage Site.


Meanwhile, here in the Interior we will have long ago held a referendum that saw us saying adios to the looney tunes and hello to AB and SK............and you know what they'll be glad to have us.
 
Mowich
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Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Not really if you think about it . In the early years of the last century the north and interior held the political power and let the English power brokers in Vancouver and Victoria wrest it away .


Yes really, and I did think about it. The Left Coast is in the ranks of the Alt-Left loonies. And yes, we here in the Interior today, are very much more intelligent.
 
Mowich
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

Currently as BC is part of Canada and not an island west of Buffalo at this point. I thought it was a hypothetical question being "What would BC do if Alberta & Sask (not that they're going to) separated from Canada. I think in less than 30yrs BC would first become "Cascadia" and shortly after would become "New Zhōngguó"

You think, given the opportunity to have a foothold in North America that China wouldn't be all over BC with submarine pens up and down the west coast of NZ ( New Zhōngguó) ?? They'd be on that like white on rice, and don't you worry about the NZ thing being copy-write of New Zealand as by that point New Zealand would be just another Hong Kong off the East Coast of Australia for strategic purposes. China having the opportunity to chew out a chunk of North America between Alaska & the West Coast of the USA? Please....in a freak'n heartbeat on the time scale that China plans for.


Oh dear. The mountains won't be enough to keep out the invading hoards.......we will have to build a wall.

Sorry Ron, just had to thrown that in there. Good assessment of what would very likely happen were we to be left stranded by AB/SK breaking away from confederation. Mind you, long before that happened those of us in the Interior would have skedaddled off to join AB/SK.
 

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