Trudeau - An Open Thread To Praise or Tear a New One


petros
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#61
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Trying to control infection inside the prisons and jails.

Like they do with TB, MRSA, HIV, Staph, and Hep C?
 
Twin_Moose
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#62
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Testing the waters but they've exposed their asses by showing how far they are thinking they can go.

Libs. threw it out in there briefing of intentions in their aid package and they were banking on the opposition won't fight them in the face of the crises, and they said yeah, no we will take our chances with a Federal vote over this.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#63
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Like they do with TB, MRSA, HIV, Staph, and Hep C?

Pretty much.
 
Jinentonix
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#64
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Trying to control infection inside the prisons and jails.

Yeah,again the logic escapes me on that one.



It's a golden age for the criminals, as short as it may be. Forced closure of many businesses and a flood of released convicts. Who, being the fine, upstanding, law-abiding citizens they are will head straight for self-isolation and not come out until the gumbymint says it's okay to.
 
Mowich
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#65
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Libs. threw it out in there briefing of intentions in their aid package and they were banking on the opposition won't fight them in the face of the crises, and they said yeah, no we will take our chances with a Federal vote over this.

Word is leaking out that the Conservatives will refuse to support the bill unless 5 specific points in the bill all dealing with this outrageous attempt to give supreme power to Morneau over all Canadian financial matters. Stand pat, Cons.
 
JLM
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#66
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

They could close here in BC but liquor is still available for purchase in any number of small independent grocery stores. More than anything else I am really missing sports coverage. There is SFA else on TV unless one is into wall-to-wall coverage of the pandemic. Shaw keeps fiddling around with it's programming too and yesterday I found that I now have 3 APTN channels on my service - just about time to pull the plug on them and sign up with Telus.


I find reading books is a good way to fill in time! Actually better than T.V.
 
Mowich
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#67
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

I find reading books is a good way to fill in time! Actually better than T.V.


Absolutely, JLM. I stocked up on reading material a few weeks ago and my friends and I exchange books once we are done - making sure to just drop them off on the doorstep without any physical contact. We are also taking measures to make sure the books themselves are not contaminated. We leave them outside in a covered porch or garage for at least a couple of days.
 
DaSleeper
#68
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

They could close here in BC but liquor is still available for purchase in any number of small independent grocery stores. More than anything else I am really missing sports coverage. There is SFA else on TV unless one is into wall-to-wall coverage of the pandemic. Shaw keeps fiddling around with it's programming too and yesterday I found that I now have 3 APTN channels on my service - just about time to pull the plug on them and sign up with Telus.

Lots of choice on Bell expressvu !
 
JLM
#69
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Unless you've heard of air and sea travel, that is.


Some of us prefer to stick strictly to terra firma!
 
JLM
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#70
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

Absolutely, JLM. I stocked up on reading material a few weeks ago and my friends and I exchange books once we are done - making sure to just drop them off on the doorstep without any physical contact. We are also taking measures to make sure the books themselves are not contaminated. We leave them outside in a covered porch or garage for at least a couple of days.


You and my wife would get along well. I'd swear she reads a book a day! Murder mysteries!
 
petros
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#71
 
Jinentonix
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#72
 
Jinentonix
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#73
 
Dixie Cup
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#74
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

You and my wife would get along well. I'd swear she reads a book a day! Murder mysteries!



I never go anywhere without my ereader. While I prefer books, my ereader is better suited for me as I can have multiple books on it. When relaxing in our RV, I can easily read 1 book a day so rather than packing a bunch of books, I can just have the one.
 
Twin_Moose
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#75
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

Word is leaking out that the Conservatives will refuse to support the bill unless 5 specific points in the bill all dealing with this outrageous attempt to give supreme power to Morneau over all Canadian financial matters. Stand pat, Cons.

House of Commons passes legislation for COVID-19 help with unanimous support
 
taxslave
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#76
Quote: Originally Posted by Dixie Cup View Post

I never go anywhere without my ereader. While I prefer books, my ereader is better suited for me as I can have multiple books on it. When relaxing in our RV, I can easily read 1 book a day so rather than packing a bunch of books, I can just have the one.

I use a Kindle in camp for that. I can even carry it in my backpack for when we have a bit of downtime.
 
spilledthebeer
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#77
Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post






TRUE DAT! And very funny as well!


As I have said - Our idiot Boy Justin is an aspiring Soviet Socialist Dictator! And all round DICK as well!


Here is an article proving - yet again - that Our idiot Boy Justin Trudope is an aspiring Soviet Socialist Dictator! With some comments of my own in brackets):

Liberals back off bid for power in COVID-19 crisis under Opposition fire

(Is it not AMAZING how many LIE-beral issues have been shelved as a result of public outrage? Such as electoral reform and efforts to RIG our elections and paralyse our Parliament! Such as the Northern Gateway natural gas pipeline - off and then on again! Or the proposed Saguenay LNG plant in Quebec! Or LIE-beral intent to let a radical few natives and some environmental extremists dominate BOTH the elected majority of natives and the entire Cdn public! Or this recent LIE-beral effort to NEUTER Parliament by grabbing power for 21 months WITH NO NEED to consult Parliament regarding ANY LIE-beral tax or spending idea!)

From The Cdn Press, March 24, 2020

OTTAWA — Hours before introducing a bill to spend up to $82 billion and increase federal powers to fight the COVID-19 pandemic, the Liberals backed off a measure that the Opposition decried as an attempt to get Parliament to sign them a blank cheque.

While Conservatives said they were prepared to quickly approve the billions in emergency financial aid and economic stimulus as promised by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau last week, they balked at a proposal to give the government sweeping new powers for up to 21 months to unilaterally spend, borrow and tax Canadians without seeking Parliament's approval.

(WE should regard this LIE-beral lust for powr as a SERIOUS ATTEMPT TO AVOID DEMOCRACY! LIE-berals know very well that the Wuhan Virus mess WILL NOT ENDURE for 21 months! Thus the LIE-beral lust for total control with no need to consult with Parliament is nothing more than a SHAMELESS effort to ARTIFICIALLY prop up its lame ass Minority govt!)

(Prior to the appearance of Wuhan Virus - I had predicted that the LIE-beral minority would be killed off by the time of the spring 2021 - yet this LIE-beral effort to neuter Parliament for 21 months would mean Trudope could avoid facing the public for many months past his “best before date”!)

The unprecedented proposal was in a draft of the emergency legislation to be tabled in a scaled-down Parliament on Tuesday.

The government has been negotiating with opposition parties to whip the bill quickly through the House of Commons within a few hours, followed by swift approval by the Senate on Wednesday and royal assent immediately after that.

(How odd is it that LIE-berals REFUSED to close the borders, and REFUSED to deal seriously with potentially infected travellers swarming into airports - thus limiting the number of Cdn Wuhan cases! Yet LIE-berals CAN ACT SWIFTLY when it comes to opening the spending flood gates - and grabbing MAJOR new dictatorial powers in the process! Their sudden urgency is DAMNING!)

(And is it not ODD that LIE-berals have been making vague noises about how “Non essential biz” should shut down - but they DARED NOT make a list of such biz or to order anybody to take strong action until publi opinion grew ANGRY?)

(In other news - LIE-berals asure us that they are “working with the provinces” and yet it is Ford in Ontari-owe that is making that critical list of places that must close! And it is Legault in Quebec who recently ordered cops to arrest people who broke their quarantine! Stupid LIE-berals virtue signal while provinces ACT!)

(IN February there had been various news articles published by Libertarian type idiots regarding the allegedly dubious legality of forcing people into quarantine - yet idiot LIE-berals FAILED to respond to these stupid remarks! Nor have LIE-berals bothered to institute careful screening at our airports - and this is one area that Ottawa has FULL AND DIRECT CONTROL OVER!!

Ordinarily, the power to impose taxes and allocate the proceeds is in the hands of Parliament, not ministers, and a government falls if the House of Commons won't support its budgetary plans.

(The UGLY REALITY is that LIE-berals are using Wuhan Virus AS AN EXCUSE to try to impose unpopular policies and values on Cdns - while deliberately NEUTERING PARLIAMENT! In the past 4 years - LIE-berals engaged in an INSANE spending spree - adding over $92 billion dollars to the federal debt while our economy was allegedly “Booming” - to use the LIE-beral description!)

(LIE-berals were driving us ever closer to the chaos of the Debt Wall in GOOD TIMES as they sought to BUY another majority govt and now their Wuhan Excuse has also been deservedly THWARTED! LIE-berals have been shamelessly seeking to RIG our elections for years! Their Electoral Reform was scorned; their attempt to RESERVE seats in parliament according to gender was thrown out!)

(Yet LIE-berals RETAIN several DISHONEST WAYS of rigging elections- they retain their civil service union HOG support and GROSS conflict of interest with GOBS OF GRAVY offered to the HOGS in exchange for votes! LIE-berals continue to allow “vouching” in which anonymous UNIDENTIFIED STRANGERS are allowed to vote in critical swing ridings where only a few votes separate winner from also ran - with GROSSLY BIASSED POLITICALLY ACTIVE HOGS vouching for the strangers!)

(Even worse - LIE-berals continue their very generous support of CBC - our Communist Broadcasting Corp - even though viewing numbers reveal HOW FEW CDNS actually watch CBC news these days - most Cdns scorn CBC as the LIE-beral version of Soviet era Pravda - the Soviet propaganda mouthpiece!)

(In another DANGEROUS to democracy insult - prior to the last election - LIE-berals setup a six hundred million dollar media Slush Fund to be used to support Cdn media that “LIE-berals trusted” - meaning media that said nice things about LIE-berals! If LIE-berals get their way - they will be able to CONTINUE this Pravda style propaganda as part of their Wuhan Excuse to poison Cdn democracy for the next 21 months!)

Government House leader Pablo Rodriguez tweeted late Monday night that the government would change its draft bill before introducing it.

"We will always work collaboratively and respect the fundamental role of Parliament," the Montreal MP wrote.

(LIE-berals ONLY RESPECT that which they control and profit from!)

Liberals need the unanimous consent of all the MPs appearing in the House of Commons to quickstep the bill through in a matter of hours.

Government sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the bill before it's tabled, said the 21-month timeframe for the extraordinary powers was always negotiable, aimed at giving the government the flexibility to act quickly to provide relief during the crisis without having to wait for a week to organize a recall of Parliament if something new is required.

(Uh huh - LIE-berals love making conciliatory deals - right after they get confronted by JUSTIFIABLY ENRAGED opponents!)

Except for the emergency sitting, the Commons is officially adjourned until April 20, and probably longer.

In a statement late Monday, Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer said his party is willing to enact the measures Trudeau announced last week, which include expanding the Canada Child Benefit and GST credits, relaxed Employment Insurance rules and $55 billion worth of deferred taxes.

"In a crisis, broad all-party agreement is essential, especially when the government has a minority in the House of Commons. And we are prepared to have Parliament sit as needed to transact the business of Parliament," he said.

"But we will not give the government unlimited power to raise taxes without a parliamentary vote. We will authorize whatever spending measures are justified to respond to the situation but we will not sign a blank cheque."

(Scheer must be recognized as being fair and sensible - Cdn economy NEEDS help but this wretched LIE-beral Soviet political coup cannot be permitted!)

The government would not normally share a bill with opposition parties before tabling it in the Commons. Given how little time is planned for debate on this bill, however, opposition parties were given a draft so they'd have a chance to digest the details and speak on the legislation intelligently.

(In other words - LIE-berals were hoping Conservatives would not notice the 21 month time frame for LIE-beral dictatorship!)

By late Monday, both Global News and the Globe and Mail were reporting that they'd been shown the draft bill.

According to Global, it would allow any cabinet minister, with the approval of Finance Minister Bill Morneau, to dispense "all money required to do anything" during a public health emergency.

(That money dispensing deal sounds like just the sort of vaguely legal wording that changed Adolf Hitler over from an ELECTED official - into a DICTATOR!)

The Globe reported that the bill would also give the government the power to change taxation levels through regulation, rather than requiring legislation passed by Parliament, up to the end of 2021. The same would apply to government borrowing.

(AS I have said- it is my opinion that in normal times - the LIE-beral minority govt WOULD NOT have survived past spring 2021 - yet this poisoned bill would allow them to survive for nearly a YEAR LONGER than might otherwise be the case! Cdn democracy MUST NOT be so easily kicked aside by Soviet Style LIE-beral Dictators!)
 
taxslave
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#78
In amongst the mainly smart rules the BC government awarded themselves like fines for reselling important goods like TP, N95 masks and cleaning supplies they also gave themselves control over businesses that manufacture and distribute these products. Suppliers are now mandated to report inventories and where they are located the the directorate. Letting a socialist government take these kinds of powers is disturbing.
 
JLM
#79
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

Here is a cautionary tale to illustrate how wildly careless and stupid Our idiot Boy Justin and his loser LIE-berals have been about containing Wuhan Virus and it proves they should have been MUCH MORE AGGRESSIVE about closing the borders and limiting air travel!

An older couple I know of decided to celebrate their upcoming retirement with a FANCY family ski trip - Mom. Dad. And the 3 kids all in mid to late 20`s - booked a trip to a VERY FANCY ski area in Colorado - making the arrangements in late autumn 2019 and of course they paid in advance for the best deals!

And when departure date February 26, 2020 rolled around - the Wuhan Virus was RAGING across the planet - yet Our idiot LIE-berals had merely RECOMMENDED against travelling - but stopped short of an out right BAN! So that meant NO REFUND for the family if they chose to stay safely home!

The family discussed what to do and chose to take the trip anyway! Was it ego that they figured they were entitled and thus immune? Or was it frugality and the prospect of a major fiscal hit from lost deposits if they did not go? Who knows - the fact is they went - and had a wonderful two weeks!

The family of 5 came back to Canada in mid March and apparently considered themselves to be TO ENTITLED not to bother with voluntary self quarantine! The 3 sons went back to work and the parents went about their new retired person routines! Mom went off grocery shopping to replenish the fridge and Dad went to visit his elderly Mother at the old folks home! By coincidence Dad also had an aged aunt at the same home and a nice little family reunion was enjoyed by all!

Subsequently - Dad woke up one morning and decided he felt “funny” and ended up at his doctors office and was tested and declared positive for Wuhan Virus! And that launched the BIG SCRAMBLE as the movements and contacts of the family were traced!

The test results revealed that Dad, Mom and 2 of 3 sons also were carrying Wuhan Virus and were immediately put into quarantine! Tests of the aged at the old folks home are coming back negative at this time fortunately! However - our already over loaded health care system is now monitoring the old folks home as a probable site for a possible serious outbreak in the near future!

In addition our health care system is now chasing down contacts at the places where the 2 sons work! All of this testing and all of this expense and all of this PANIC - because we KNOW old folks are terrified of stuff like this because they are so vulnerable - could have been avoided if Our idiot Boy had been more careful about CLOSING THE DAMNED BORDERS to casual travellers!

Even worse is the amount of panic introduced to various work places by the two infected sons! And of course if anybody at one of the work places should subsequently prove infected- it will touch off a whole new round of quarantining and costly testing and ALL of it could have been avoided if Our idiot Boy was more aggressive about closing the borders!


Like the proverbial Monday morning Quarterback!
 
Twin_Moose
#80
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

In amongst the mainly smart rules the BC government awarded themselves like fines for reselling important goods like TP, N95 masks and cleaning supplies they also gave themselves control over businesses that manufacture and distribute these products. Suppliers are now mandated to report inventories and where they are located the the directorate. Letting a socialist government take these kinds of powers is disturbing.

How mighty socialist of them, will this act carry through until a change of Gov. or just for the term of the epidemic?
 
spilledthebeer
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#81
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

In amongst the mainly smart rules the BC government awarded themselves like fines for reselling important goods like TP, N95 masks and cleaning supplies they also gave themselves control over businesses that manufacture and distribute these products. Suppliers are now mandated to report inventories and where they are located the the directorate. Letting a socialist government take these kinds of powers is disturbing.




Oh sorry - I feel obligated to disagree with you there! Lord knows I do enjoy slapping at LIE-berals but in these quite dangerous times


I see nothing wrong with govt making public - meaning clear, honest and logical efforts, under valid opposition party scrutiny,

to ensure that essential supplies are sent where they are most needed!


Of course the TRUDOPE LIE-berals went WAY PAST THE DECENT DEMOCRATIC LINE with their attempt to NEUTER our Parliament and DENY ANY oversight by opposition parties!


Our idiot Boy Justin IS TRULY AN ASPIRING Soviet Socialist Dictator!


And a dangerous DICK!
 
taxslave
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#82
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

Oh sorry - I feel obligated to disagree with you there! Lord knows I do enjoy slapping at LIE-berals but in these quite dangerous times
I see nothing wrong with govt making public - meaning clear, honest and logical efforts, under valid opposition party scrutiny,
to ensure that essential supplies are sent where they are most needed!
Of course the TRUDOPE LIE-berals went WAY PAST THE DECENT DEMOCRATIC LINE with their attempt to NEUTER our Parliament and DENY ANY oversight by opposition parties!
Our idiot Boy Justin IS TRULY AN ASPIRING Soviet Socialist Dictator!
And a dangerous DICK!

As I said mainly good but there are some things in there that make me nervous of a socialist government having control over. All I see this doing is creating jobs for a bunch more party insiders. And reams more paperwork for suppliers.
 
AnnaE
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#83
I heard on the news today the feds have come up with 10% to ease the pain for small businesses.
That's a feckin insult, IMO.
NVMD, I just read the dumbass increased the subsidy ton 75%. https://globalnews.ca/news/6741037/c...ubsidy-canada/
 
petros
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#84
They've had since January 14th to figure out how to spend the $113B USD they borrowed. Dont worry, the unused portion on the $300B USD line of credit is $187B USD.

Lots of spending yet to come such as quantitative easing.

Oh and BTW, we have until Jan of 2025 to pay it back.
 
Mowich
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#85
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Lots of choice on Bell expressvu !


Not available in my area, DS. Telus or Shaw - that's it. And I just got my April Shaw bill - it went up another $3. That is 4 months in a row that they have increased my service charge and in the meantime they are still screwing around with my channel selection with no word of notice why or if I want the changes. I am really fed up.
 
Mowich
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#86
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

You and my wife would get along well. I'd swear she reads a book a day! Murder mysteries!

I can read a book a day easily especially now. I've taken an interest in reading Norwegian, Swedish and Danish murder mysteries lately.
 
spilledthebeer
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#87
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

As I said mainly good but there are some things in there that make me nervous of a socialist government having control over. All I see this doing is creating jobs for a bunch more party insiders. And reams more paperwork for suppliers.




Well.......YES! Fear of socialist govt should be on a par with hostility to CANCER!


But as we are stuck with the ASShats for the time being - tis best to let them do an honest job!



Under CLOSE SCRUTINY! Not even a socialist is brave enough to do dirty deeds in FULL SUNLIGHT!


Just LOOK how quickly Our idiot Boy Justin walked back on his 21 month plan to NEUTER Cdn Parliament once the sun shone on it!
 
spilledthebeer
#88
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

Not available in my area, DS. Telus or Shaw - that's it. And I just got my April Shaw bill - it went up another $3. That is 4 months in a row that they have increased my service charge and in the meantime they are still screwing around with my channel selection with no word of notice why or if I want the changes. I am really fed up.




I am thinking "tv antenna" and FREE broadcasts for news and some essential crap!



And of course a LIBRARY CARD - since most libraries loan out DVD`s of tv shows and movies - FREE of charge!



Well - not ENTIRELY FREE of course- since they BUY their supplies - including books and e-reader material


using our tax money so you might as well use what is "freely" available anyway!


Best of all - ride a bicycle down to your local venue - get that needed exercise on a nice spring day!
 
spilledthebeer
#89
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

They've had since January 14th to figure out how to spend the $113B USD they borrowed. Dont worry, the unused portion on the $300B USD line of credit is $187B USD.

Lots of spending yet to come such as quantitative easing.

Oh and BTW, we have until Jan of 2025 to pay it back.








AND FANTASTIC RATES of LIE-beral inflation to come as well as the economy sorts itself out and we adapt to NEW DEBT!


There may just be a LOT of old folks on fixed incomes RUNNING OUT to find some Wuhan Virus sufferer


to INVITE them home for some Virus sharing to put people out of their MISERY!


The KEY TO ALL THIS is the one point that LIE-berals ARE IGNORING and which they have been ignoring ever since Ebola became



a major world problem - that airplanes are a VERY EFFICIENT DISTRIBUTOR of Pandemic Viruses!


And closing down airports and HEAVILY regulating travelers should be JOB ONE in such a situation!



The CURE for Wuhan Virus is going to be just about as costly as the cure!
 
taxslave
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#90
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

Not available in my area, DS. Telus or Shaw - that's it. And I just got my April Shaw bill - it went up another $3. That is 4 months in a row that they have increased my service charge and in the meantime they are still screwing around with my channel selection with no word of notice why or if I want the changes. I am really fed up.

Check out direct something. Satallite internet. Ill look for the name.