World hopes for a 'less arrogant America'


Praxius
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Democratic U.S. presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama waves as he arrives at the Victory Column in Berlin, Thursday, July 24, 2008.

CTV.ca | World hopes for a 'less arrogant America'

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BERLIN -- The world was riveted by the election drama unfolding Tuesday in the United States, inspired by the hope embodied by Barack Obama or simply relieved that -- whoever wins -- an administration that spawned Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay was coming to an end.

From Berlin's Brandenburg Gate to the small town of Obama, Japan, the globe geared up to celebrate a fresh start for America after eight wearisome years of George W. Bush.

In Germany, where more than 200,000 flocked to see Obama this summer as he moved to burnish his foreign policy credentials during a trip to the Middle East and Europe, the election dominated television ticker crawls, newspaper headlines and websites.

Hundreds of thousands prepared to party through the night to watch the outcome of an election having an impact far beyond America's shores. Among the more irreverent festivities planned in Paris: a "Goodbye George" party to bid farewell to Bush.

"Like many French people, I would like Obama to win because it would really be a sign of change," said Vanessa Doubine, shopping Tuesday on the Champs-Elysees. "I deeply hope for America's image that it will be Obama."

Europeans had a sense of the momentous change that was about to unfold.

"America is electing a new president, but for the Germans, for Europeans, it is electing the next world leader," said Alexander Rahr, director of the German Council on Foreign Relations.

"We see new challenges coming up, not only Islamic extremism, but a newly resurgent Russia, China, India, Pakistan, North Korea -- everywhere there are fires," he said. "And we, as Europeans, can't solve these problems without America. A world without American leadership is, for most Europeans, a world of chaos."

Geez.... grow some ballz people.

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Obama-mania was evident not only across Europe, where millions geared up for all-night vigils, but also in much of the Islamic world, where Muslims expressed hope that the Democrat would seek compromise rather than confrontation.

The Bush administration alienated Muslims by mistreating prisoners at its detention centre for terrorism suspects at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and inmates at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison -- human rights violations also condemned worldwide.

"I hope Obama wins (because) of the need of the world to see the U.S. represent a more cosmopolitan or universal political attitude," said Rais Yatim, the foreign minister of mostly Muslim Malaysia.

"The new president will have an impact on the economic and political situation in my country," said Muhammad al-Thaheri, 48, a civil servant in Saudi Arabia. Like so many around the world, he was rooting for Obama "because he will change the path the U.S. is on under Bush."

Nizar al-Kortas, a columnist for Kuwait's Al-Anbaa newspaper, saw an Obama victory as "a historic step to change the image of the arrogant American administration to one that is more acceptable in the world."

Yet John McCain enjoyed a strong current of support in countries such as Israel, where he is perceived as tougher on Iran.

Israeli leaders have not openly declared a preference. But privately, they have expressed concern about Obama, who has alarmed some by saying he would be ready to hold a dialogue with Tehran.

Oh noes! Someone who is willing to talk *Gasp*!

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Taking a cigarette break on a Jerusalem street corner, bank employee Leah Nizri, 53, said Obama represented potentially frightening change.

"I think he'll be pleasant to Israel, but he will make changes," she said. "He's too young. I think that especially in a situation of a world recession, where things are so unclear in the world, McCain would be better than Obama."

How? He hasn't even explained a plan on how to deal with the situation.... but because he's old, he's right for the job? Ok....

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Even in Europe, McCain got some grudging respect: Germany's mass-circulation daily Bild lionized the Republican as "the War Hero" and running mate Sarah Palin as "the Beautiful Unknown."

She ain't beautiful, and being an unknown isn't the wisest thing to be rooting for when you're hoping for this "Next Great World Leader" after so much BS in the last 8 years.

But oh well... if they win and she's in power, she'll be known a lot better that's for sure.... and we'll see if her "Beauty" will be enough to cover her ass.

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In Berlin, Republicans Abroad organized a "November Surprise Election Party" to watch live "how the Republican ticket McCain/Palin comes from behind and leaves the liberal elite media in Europe and the United States puzzled."

Now that'd be something to talk about around the cooler now wouldn't it? I guess we'll see how it goes in a few hours.

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British Prime Minister Gordon Brown clung to convention by refusing to say which candidate he wants to see win. Regardless of the outcome, he told Al-Arabiya television while on a tour of the Gulf, "history has been made in this campaign."

London Mayor Boris Johnson, a Conservative, felt less constrained about rooting for the liberal Obama.

"For those who have become disenchanted with America, including many Americans, (Obama) offers the hope of reigniting the love affair," he said.

And other Europeans made much of Obama's ethnicity. "It's a sort of pardon of America for its slave past," said Alain Barret, a bank teller in Paris. "It lets America turn an important page in its history."

"It would be fantastic to have a non-white president," added Letisha Brown, a Londoner.

In Baghdad, Mohammed al-Tamimi said he didn't think U.S. policy on Iraq would change. Even so, "we hope that the new American president will open a new page with our country."

Kenyans made their allegiances clear: Scores packed churches on Tuesday to pray for Obama, whose late father was born in the East African country, and hailed the candidate -- himself born in Hawaii -- as a "son of the soil."

"Tonight we are not going to sleep," said Valentine Wambi, 23, a student at the University of Nairobi. "It will be celebrations throughout."

Kenyans believe an Obama victory wouldn't change their lives much, but that hasn't stopped them from splashing his picture on minibuses and selling T-shirts with his name and likeness. Kenyans were planning to gather around radios and TV sets starting Tuesday night as the results come in.

"We will feast if Obama wins," said Robert Rutaro, a university president in neighbouring Uganda. "We will celebrate by marching on the streets of Kampala and hold a big party later on."

In the sleepy Japanese coastal town of Obama -- which translates as "little beach" -- images of him adorned banners along a main shopping street, and preparations for an election day victory party were in full swing.

Election fever also ran high in Vietnam, where McCain was held as a prisoner of war for more than five years after being shot down in Hanoi during a 1967 bombing run.

"He's patriotic," said Le Lan Anh, a Vietnamese novelist and real estate tycoon. "As a soldier, he came here to destroy my country, but I admire his dignity."

Some interesting perspectives..... I think however, no matter who wins.... there's going to be a stink made by one side or the other, and it's probably going to reverberate around the world.... unfortunatly.

All those hoping for Obama listed above.... what are they going to do if he loses?

All those expecting McCain to pull a win out of his ass..... what are they gonna do if he loses?

To me, although I have been involved in contributing to much of it like everybody else, when looking back at this whole thing, there sure is a hell of a lot of hype that's been given to this election..... then again, when the entire planet seems to hate G. Bush with a satanic passion, I guess any hope of change should be expected.

But then the question remains..... what if nothing changes, no matter who is elected? What then?
 
darkbeaver
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"To me, although I have been involved in contributing to much of it like everybody else, when looking back at this whole thing, there sure is a hell of a lot of hype that's been given to this election..... then again, when the entire planet seems to hate G. Bush with a satanic passion, I guess any hope of change should be expected.

But then the question remains..... what if nothing changes, no matter who is elected? What then? "



I think we can count on change but that's not because of this election Praxius. As I'v argued before the die for global war has already been cast already the great powers are positioning themselves for it, it's eventuality is not even seriously questioned, there is no acceptable solution but war, and by that I mean peace is an option that requires compromize and consenus things the empire are loath to entertain. I would think preemptivly both in respect to domestic disturbance and forigne strikes at enemy infrastructure. You remember the words "you're either for us or you're against us", now we'll find out who to hate and who to love.
 
jimmoyer
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I think the irony is McCain would have been like a Wrecking Ball in Washington DC, more an agent of change than Obama will be.

But you never know until someone is in position.

Past performance does not always ensure or predict future performance, as my stock broker tells me, and who is forced to tell me by mandate of law.

 
darkbeaver
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Know the position, the peg driven in will take that shape. The Offal office defines the man not the other way arround. Of course most believe the cosmetic touchups and revel in the choice of new drapes and furniture. Mr and Mrs Prez will be Mr and Mrs everyone, just good hardworking ordinary people trying to raise a family and a dog and find the perfect christmas tree.
 
scratch
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Quote: Originally Posted by jimmoyer View Post

I think the irony is McCain would have been like a Wrecking Ball in Washington DC, more an agent of change than Obama will be.

But you never know until someone is in position.

Past performance does not always ensure or predict future performance, as my stock broker tells me, and who is forced to tell me by mandate of law.

Arrogance gone, never. It is part and parcel of the American psyche. They feel that they will always be number one.

Well they better prepare themselves for a a big eye-opener.
 
Avro
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How can America be arrogant when for the last 8 years they have been a laughing stock?
 
EagleSmack
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usa #1 baaaabyyyyy!
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

Know the position, the peg driven in will take that shape. The Offal office defines the man not the other way arround. Of course most believe the cosmetic touchups and revel in the choice of new drapes and furniture. Mr and Mrs Prez will be Mr and Mrs everyone, just good hardworking ordinary people trying to raise a family and a dog and find the perfect christmas tree.

Hey DB... you are the one who said that we would be under martial law and GW would be dictator for life by now.
 
Avro
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usa #1 baaaabyyyyy!

Yep, #1 for being a laughing stock.
 
Risus
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usa #1 baaaabyyyyy!

# 1 in the idiot arena, putting bushinski in twice....
 
Avro
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# 1 in the idiot arena, putting bushinski in twice....


I believe I did say laughing stock.
 
Risus
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Yep, #1 for being a laughing stock.

LOL, we do agree on something!
 
Avro
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Quote: Originally Posted by Risus View Post

LOL, we do agree on something!


Go check hell, it must be frozen.
 
Praxius
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Hey DB... you are the one who said that we would be under martial law and GW would be dictator for life by now.

I said that as well, and I suggested it would happen prior to the next president actually taking power..... there's still plenty of time.

Either that or he'll just pass the torch onto McCain to carry out his plans, all the while giving the image of some form of democracy still existing to confuse people further.

But that is just one of many possible outcomes.... but Bush sure as heck put enough plans, bills and laws in place to gear towards this prediction..... why go through all that work and not use any of it in the end?
 
Zzarchov
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The America is no.1 ideal isn't an American Invention, its a passed down cultural trait from the original Scots Irish settlers to America.

Libertarian Streak, Fierce Nationalism (and eagerness to believe your moss covered rock in the north atlantic is a nicer place to be than the southern coast of france) and a militant bend.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by Praxius View Post

I said that as well, and I suggested it would happen prior to the next president actually taking power..... there's still plenty of time.

And even as the day approaches that you will be proven wrong you still own up to it?

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Either that or he'll just pass the torch onto McCain to carry out his plans, all the while giving the image of some form of democracy still existing to confuse people further.

Dude...Obama is going to win this thing. Where have you been?

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But that is just one of many possible outcomes.... but Bush sure as heck put enough plans, bills and laws in place to gear towards this prediction..... why go through all that work and not use any of it in the end?

Oh I am sure he did. He put all these world conquest plans in... but Oh well... he has decided to not be Emperor of the World.

Those pesky Canadians must have scared him!
 
Risus
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Quote: Originally Posted by Avro View Post

Go check hell, it must be frozen.

LOL, you are closer than me, you are in Oshawa!!!!
 
Praxius
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And even as the day approaches that you will be proven wrong you still own up to it?

Yup..... see that's what makes me so special....


I accept my actions and I don't side line with a bunch of excuses.

Oh, and there's still time.

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Dude...Obama is going to win this thing. Where have you been?

So long as it's not rigged, which it seems like it's not thus far..... but then if Bush gives up his high chair to Obama, the question that will remain, is how long will Obama last?

I like the cut of his jib, but I don't seem him getting through 4 years down there without losing a few vital organs from a bullet. Which is very unfortunate.

But if he does.... well I'll be wrong again. Humans do that.

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Oh I am sure he did. He put all these world conquest plans in... but Oh well... he has decided to not be Emperor of the World.

There's still time.

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Those pesky Canadians must have scared him!

Canada Who?
 
darkbeaver
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Hey DB... you are the one who said that we would be under martial law and GW would be dictator for life by now.

I did didn't I. Well you've caught me ES I'll jam my head in the MW and turn it on if you'd like.
 
scratch
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So much for `less arrogance!`
 
EagleSmack
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I did didn't I. Well you've caught me ES I'll jam my head in the MW and turn it on if you'd like.

Hmmm... I would like that come to think of it... In you go!
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by Praxius View Post

Yup..... see that's what makes me so special....


I accept my actions and I don't side line with a bunch of excuses.

But you don't have to defend what is indefensible.

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Oh, and there's still time.

Nah...stick a fork in it...it's done


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So long as it's not rigged, which it seems like it's not thus far.....

Oh it was rigged. Obama and the Democrats stole this one.

My turn Prax!

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but then if Bush gives up his high chair to Obama, the question that will remain, is how long will Obama last?

I hope he lasts 4 years and does well. We need it. But I will be there to blame EVERY FREAKING THING on him. From the economy to natural disasters.

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I like the cut of his jib, but I don't seem him getting through 4 years down there without losing a few vital organs from a bullet. Which is very unfortunate.

But if he does.... well I'll be wrong again. Humans do that.

Well let's hope he lives a long life. I do not want any of that to end his Presidency. I'd rather see his concession speech in 4 years.


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There's still time.

I doubt it


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Canada Who?

I wonder if Obama knows about Canada? What do you think?

So when are the troops leaving Iraq?
 
Avro
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Man oh man, you just keep proving the obvious Eagle, just how stupid you really are.

You lose.
 
scratch
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Quote: Originally Posted by Avro View Post

Man oh man, you just keep proving the obvious Eagle, just how stupid you really are.

You lose.

Just change your avatar. OK, Boss.
 
Praxius
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

But you don't have to defend what is indefensible.

You should heed those words in other threads then if you believe that.

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Nah...stick a fork in it...it's done

Not actually, there is still the time between today and when Bush passes the job over officially to Obama.

Once I actually see Bush walk out with his bags from the White House and Obama starts making decisions, will I think Bush's 8 year nightmare is over.

What happens, hypothetically, if Obama was taken out of action last night or before he is actually sworn into office? Bush remains in power and probably would activate Martial Law due to the murder of a US president.

Like I said, although there is a slim chance, there is still time..... and I don't put any pathetic concept beyond Bush.

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Oh it was rigged. Obama and the Democrats stole this one.

Probably did.

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My turn Prax!

Enjoy it.

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I hope he lasts 4 years and does well. We need it. But I will be there to blame EVERY FREAKING THING on him. From the economy to natural disasters.

Sure, that's your right.... just make sure you blame the already existing crap by Bush on Bush.

And don't worry, when Obama screws up, you'll hear me just like you've heard me so far. Just because I prefer him over McCain, doesn't mean I'll be giving him a green light in my views.

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Well let's hope he lives a long life. I do not want any of that to end his Presidency. I'd rather see his concession speech in 4 years.

Well with any luck that will occur.... but from many of the people I have seen and heard through McCain rallies, there's a lot of white folk who are terrified of Obama, thinking he's a Muslim, or simply because he's black..... and I've seen a lot of very angry people in McCain rallies that even McCain had to attempt crowd control to prevent it from getting out of hand..... unfortunatly it only takes one nut job to shoot someone..... and from what I seen, there's a good chunk of people ready and willing to take a shot for many various reasons.

Will it happen? Who knows? Bush got through 8 years for a lot worse, so anything is possible..... but the chances are still pretty high unfortunatly

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I doubt it

We'll see soon enough.

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I wonder if Obama knows about Canada? What do you think?

Loads of Uranium, Fresh Water and Oil resources right next door, NAFTA..... I'm pretty sure he knows..... whether or not he cares or has plans that relate to us time will also tell.

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So when are the troops leaving Iraq?

Ask your president.
 
jimmoyer
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This thread is getting absurd.

The part about America being arrogant is true and not true.

There's no doubt about the arrogance existing.

But this country has at least 50 million voters who hate this country's reputation for arrogance.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by Praxius View Post

You should heed those words in other threads then if you believe that.

I do. I also admit fault when I am wrong.


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Not actually, there is still the time between today and when Bush passes the job over officially to Obama.

Once I actually see Bush walk out with his bags from the White House and Obama starts making decisions, will I think Bush's 8 year nightmare is over.

Nah...it is over. He's done. The take over of the country never happened and will never happen. I do see how you want (joshing you a bit here) to hold onto that thought but Bush has already started packing.

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What happens, hypothetically, if Obama was taken out of action last night or before he is actually sworn into office? Bush remains in power and probably would activate Martial Law due to the murder of a US president.

No way. If that was to happen, and I sure hope it doesn't, Biden would take over. The thought of martial law is just not going to happen.

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Like I said, although there is a slim chance, there is still time..... and I don't put any pathetic concept beyond Bush.

Well you have to...you don't have much time left with the man.


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Enjoy it.

I will but probably won't have as much fun as you guys did with GW.


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Sure, that's your right.... just make sure you blame the already existing crap by Bush on Bush.

No way! The Dems are supposed to fix all that. They promised to. The GOP had to punt and the Dems are now deep in their own territory.

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And don't worry, when Obama screws up, you'll hear me just like you've heard me so far. Just because I prefer him over McCain, doesn't mean I'll be giving him a green light in my views.

Then we will be agreeing A LOT more often.


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Well with any luck that will occur.... but from many of the people I have seen and heard through McCain rallies, there's a lot of white folk who are terrified of Obama, thinking he's a Muslim, or simply because he's black..... and I've seen a lot of very angry people in McCain rallies that even McCain had to attempt crowd control to prevent it from getting out of hand..... unfortunatly it only takes one nut job to shoot someone..... and from what I seen, there's a good chunk of people ready and willing to take a shot for many various reasons.

I would believe the danger is probably greater for Obama than any other. But for the most part White Nationalist and Racist groups are pretty stupid. Take those two skinheads that just got nabbed. But as a white guy I am not afraid. I do not think there is a conspiracy to "get whitey". It was the white vote that got him in and if he gets crazy he will be a one term Prez.

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Will it happen? Who knows? Bush got through 8 years for a lot worse, so anything is possible..... but the chances are still pretty high unfortunatly

I do hope he does well. You may not always be crazy about the coach but you still want to win the game.



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Ask your president.

The President Elect?
 
Avro
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Eagle wrote

I do. I also admit fault when I am wrong.


Starts off with a lie......
 
Praxius
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Nah...it is over. He's done. The take over of the country never happened and will never happen. I do see how you want (joshing you a bit here) to hold onto that thought but Bush has already started packing.

I'll hang onto this for a quote below:

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No way. If that was to happen, and I sure hope it doesn't, Biden would take over. The thought of martial law is just not going to happen.

I always thought they both have to be inaugurated before that could happen.

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Well you have to...you don't have much time left with the man.

We shall see. I don't count me chickens before they hatch.

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No way! The Dems are supposed to fix all that. They promised to. The GOP had to punt and the Dems are now deep in their own territory.

They have no choice but to fix all that, that's their job now..... their failure to do so would be their fault, but the creation of the current situation is the fault of the previous administration. You can't just wash your hands from what you created (Not you, Bush)

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Then we will be agreeing A LOT more often.

Time will tell.......

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The President Elect?

^ Exactly..... he's not the president yet.... not until Jan 20th from what I read..... plenty of time for what I was talking about in your first quote response above that I was holding onto.

Like I said.... until I see Bush leaving...... on a jet plane, not knowing when he'll be back again... oh babe, I imagine he hates to go.... will I believe he won't pull some stunt.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by Praxius View Post


I always thought they both have to be inaugurated before that could happen.

Now that is a great political science question. I have no idea what the rule of law is but I would imagine that Biden as the VP Elect would stand in.

But for sure...the streets would flow with blood. Oh brother.



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They have no choice but to fix all that, that's their job now..... their failure to do so would be their fault, but the creation of the current situation is the fault of the previous administration. You can't just wash your hands from what you created (Not you, Bush)

That is their job. I agree, they inherited a mess. BUT...they claim to have the solutions.





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^ Exactly..... he's not the president yet.... not until Jan 20th from what I read..... plenty of time for what I was talking about in your first quote response above that I was holding onto.

Right. Then they have what they call the "Honeymoon" where pretty much everyone lays off the new President for 8 months or so. There or abouts.

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Like I said.... until I see Bush leaving...... on a jet plane, not knowing when he'll be back again... oh babe, I imagine he hates to go.... will I believe he won't pull some stunt.

Why the heck would he want to stay? I sure wouldn't. I bet Crawford Texas looks a lot better each day to him.