Gun Control is Completely Useless.


ironsides
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#691
Perfect reason to own a gun.

91-year-old man confronts, holds home intruder at gunpoint in Lake Worth FL

By Michael LaForgia

3:00 PM EDT, September 19, 2009

LAKE WORTH FL

A burglar early this morning clambered over a backyard fence on a quiet block on the city's west side. He picked the wrong house.

He made it maybe a couple of steps before Rettt the dog, a mixture of Rottweiler and Doberman pinscher, charged, tearing the intruder's shirt from his back in a ferocious growling attack.

This gave homeowner Robert E. Thompson, 91, time to jump out of bed, grab his gun, a .38-caliber revolver loaded with hollow-point bullets, and to phone the police.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sfl-home-invasion-091909-story,0,3132206,print.story
 
L Gilbert
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#692
Quote: Originally Posted by bobnoorduyn View Post

A single shot maybe, but that shouldn't make you disrespect the .22. Remember that the Mossad armed their operatives with Barettas in .22LR to dispach certain subjects involved in the Munich massacre, and they were quite effective.

Close range, targets aren't moving. I agree. 20 meters away or even 10, moving target .... it's pretty much useless. You'd have to rely on luck because unless you are lucky and hit a vital spot your target will likely scoot or retaliate.
 
L Gilbert
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#693
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Actually, I believe they were Beretta Minx pistols, in .22 Short !!!!!!!!!!!

Even more useless at 10 or 20 yards with moving targets.
 
L Gilbert
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#694
Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman View Post

Gun registry is a key component to reducing the crime rate and according to the police statistics gun registry has helped significantly.

Only thugs want to get rid of the gun registry and thugs are out there typing up all kinds of misinformation just to get it cancelled and unfortunately the Conservatives swallowed it hook line and sinker.

Right. And horses sit in hot tubs with a beer in one hoof and a cigar in another hoof. Clown.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#695
Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

Close range, targets aren't moving. I agree. 20 meters away or even 10, moving target .... it's pretty much useless. You'd have to rely on luck because unless you are lucky and hit a vital spot your target will likely scoot or retaliate.

Yeah, and my understanding is they hit the target in a group, at least three who were in touching range, and emptied their guns into the target.......probably several delivered through the soft spot in the back of the skull....

There is, however, the story of the Israeli hit man who almost missed an opportunity at a former Nazi concentration camp commandante in Argentina, I believe......he set up an ambush by himself, only to have the target (unawares) not approach.....so he fired one shot out of his rested .22 pistol and killed the guy.....at 100 yards range.

Short barrels are actually more acurate than long barrels....they are stiffer, less vibration.....the problem with handgun accuracy is the stability of the shooting platform, and the proximity of sights to each other; it is not inherent accuraccy.
 
L Gilbert
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#696
Quote: Originally Posted by ironsides View Post

Perfect reason to own a gun.

91-year-old man confronts, holds home intruder at gunpoint in Lake Worth FL

By Michael LaForgia

3:00 PM EDT, September 19, 2009

LAKE WORTH FL

A burglar early this morning clambered over a backyard fence on a quiet block on the city's west side. He picked the wrong house.

He made it maybe a couple of steps before Rettt the dog, a mixture of Rottweiler and Doberman pinscher, charged, tearing the intruder's shirt from his back in a ferocious growling attack.

This gave homeowner Robert E. Thompson, 91, time to jump out of bed, grab his gun, a .38-caliber revolver loaded with hollow-point bullets, and to phone the police.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sfl-home-invasion-091909-story,0,3132206,print.story

He phoned the cops with a .38? wow Hand held gadgets these days really are multifunctional, huh?
 
L Gilbert
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#697
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Yeah, and my understanding is they hit the target in a group, at least three who were in touching range, and emptied their guns into the target.......probably several delivered through the soft spot in the back of the skull....

Well if you have a 14 shot clip, you can empty the 14 shots about the 5th or 6th rib up, the sound is muffled and you've done pretty much irreparable damage to lungs at the very least. The sidearm can be relatively invisible to bystanders that way. If you raise it up to shoot into a head it becomes visible.

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There is, however, the story of the Israeli hit man who almost missed an opportunity at a former Nazi concentration camp commandante in Argentina, I believe......he set up an ambush by himself, only to have the target (unawares) not approach.....so he fired one shot out of his rested .22 pistol and killed the guy.....at 100 yards range.

Short barrels are actually more acurate than long barrels....they are stiffer, less vibration.....the problem with handgun accuracy is the stability of the shooting platform, and the proximity of sights to each other; it is not inherent accuraccy.

Yeah, that's why I can put 10 rounds from our .22 LR target rifle into a 7inch circle at 300 yards, and do the same with my single action revolver (scoped) from 500 yards. The bull-barrel on my rifle is like rubber it wobbles so much. lmao
Last edited by L Gilbert; Sep 20th, 2009 at 01:06 PM..
 
ironsides
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#698
Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

Even more useless at 10 or 20 yards with moving targets.


If I ever carry a weapon (which is rarely), I found that a Walther P-22 is quite adequate, light, comfortable to carry. It will definatly get someone's attention, but It is pretty much useless beyond 20 yards as you said.

 
bobnoorduyn
Free Thinker
#699
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Actually, I believe they were Beretta Minx pistols, in .22 Short !!!!!!!!!!!

I thought of it later, (I was just on my to bed at the time), but yes, a friend of mine knows intimate details of the mission and they did use .22short. I don't know the model for sure, the agents would just use them and lose them anyway.
 
bobnoorduyn
Free Thinker
#700
Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

Close range, targets aren't moving. I agree. 20 meters away or even 10, moving target .... it's pretty much useless. You'd have to rely on luck because unless you are lucky and hit a vital spot your target will likely scoot or retaliate.

I'm not saying it would be my weapon of choice, but I still wouldn't want to be on the noisy end of one at 20 yards just the same.
 
bobnoorduyn
Free Thinker
#701
Quote: Originally Posted by Niflmir View Post

Either the ownership papers were transfered and said transfer was registered, or you owned them illegally. The fact that you may have broken the law and got away with it is in no way proof that the law does not exist. The legislation I posted is quite clear that all motor vehicles must be registered.

Only if you want or need to prove ownership, look at the link you posted yourself, it also includes farm tractors, things that don't need to be registered in other provinces.

Quote: Originally Posted by Niflmir View Post

If you want to try to deny the legitimacy of the legislation, feel free. Criminal.

You might want to know that what you quote are Provincial Statutes, they may not apply in other provinces. As for referring to me as a criminal, first one would violate the criminal code, this is not contained in the Criminal Code of Canada, there is a big difference.
 
L Gilbert
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#702
Quote: Originally Posted by bobnoorduyn View Post

I'm not saying it would be my weapon of choice, but I still wouldn't want to be on the noisy end of one at 20 yards just the same.

I'm not fond of the prospect of being peppered with .22 shorts either, but it's not as bad as being airconditioned by a .50 Desert Eagle or even a .38 Python. lol
 
bobnoorduyn
Free Thinker
#703
Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

I'm not fond of the prospect of being peppered with .22 shorts either, but it's not as bad as being airconditioned by a .50 Desert Eagle or even a .38 Python. lol

I'm reminded of a time when I was firefighting in Northern Alberta and a bear was menacing our camp. I offered the use of my 30.06, (which I always kept with me, flying and sleeping), the crew that stayed behind said they'd see after I got back from fire patrol. 2 hours later, when I got back, the bear had already been dispatched and slung deep into the bush and dropped, the only other firearm at the camp was a .22, which is what they used. It took about 12 shots to bring it down, but it did bring it down.
 
AnnaG
#704
Quote: Originally Posted by bobnoorduyn View Post

I'm reminded of a time when I was firefighting in Northern Alberta and a bear was menacing our camp. I offered the use of my 30.06, (which I always kept with me, flying and sleeping), the crew that stayed behind said they'd see after I got back from fire patrol. 2 hours later, when I got back, the bear had already been dispatched and slung deep into the bush and dropped, the only other firearm at the camp was a .22, which is what they used. It took about 12 shots to bring it down, but it did bring it down.

I suppose it's possible to do with a stick, too, but the 30.06 would have been more humane.
 
bobnoorduyn
Free Thinker
#705
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG View Post

I suppose it's possible to do with a stick, too, but the 30.06 would have been more humane.

Well, these are a group of folks some of whom hunted wood bison with 30.30's when nothing bigger was available to them. They had a few interesting stories to tell, to be sure.
 
AnnaG
#706
Quote: Originally Posted by bobnoorduyn View Post

Well, these are a group of folks some of whom hunted wood bison with 30.30's when nothing bigger was available to them. They had a few interesting stories to tell, to be sure.

I can imagine. We have a Winchester carbine in 30-30. One has to get pretty close to have any sort of accuracy (open sights fat lead, low power, short barrel, and all that). My ancestors used to do that with spears and arrows. lol
Still not very humane to down a bear with a .22
 
Liberalman
Free Thinker
#707
I would like to know who on my street own guns with the gun registry I could.
 
AnnaG
#708
Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman View Post

I would like to know who on my street own guns with the gun registry I could.

Well, then what's stopping you?
 
bobnoorduyn
Free Thinker
#709
Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman View Post

I would like to know who on my street own guns with the gun registry I could.

I would like to know how much money each of my neighbours earn, which one's are having affairs, who their friends are, how sexually active they are with those friends, etc. When Wendy Cukier will tell us these things about herself, and come clean about how much her group got from the Chretien government I might feel better about sharing some of my secrets, 'till then it's none of yours, hers, or anybody else's business.
 
bobnoorduyn
Free Thinker
#710
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG View Post

I can imagine. We have a Winchester carbine in 30-30. One has to get pretty close to have any sort of accuracy (open sights fat lead, low power, short barrel, and all that). My ancestors used to do that with spears and arrows. lol
Still not very humane to down a bear with a .22

I guess they used what they had when the opportunity arose, a bear in a fire camp is about as welcome Perez Hilton at a caucus meeting. I unknowingly crossed paths with it on my to the crapper at about 5:30 that morning, the next guy going in there stepped in bear crap after I got back to the tent.
 
DaSleeper
#711
Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman View Post

I would like to know who on my street own guns with the gun registry I could.

That would be nice.....then punks would know who they can rob ...even in the daytime, with no resistance
 
ironsides
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#712
Yet the British constitution recognizes rights as existing naturally, before the advent of the Bill of Rights....indeed, it refers to them as "ancient" rights....the right to bear arms being one of those.
 
ironsides
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#713
Never realized that the shortage of ammunition was this bad nationally, can still find pretty much what ever you want on the shelves down here in Florida.


"America armed, but guns not necessarily loaded"

America armed, but guns not necessarily loaded - Yahoo! News

 
ironsides
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#714

"An armed man is a citizen. A disarmed man is a subject."
Anon.

 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#715
Quote: Originally Posted by ironsides View Post

"An armed man is a citizen. A disarmed man is a subject."
Anon.

All very nice until you consider that most North Americans are too ignorant and immature to be trusted with one. When I was a kid on the farm, I saw a car pull into the neighbours farm to ask permission to hunt on his property. Two guys got out of the car to talk to the farmer. Then all of a sudden there was a loud bang and the car roof burst open and blood shot up into the air. It seems those idiots left loaded rifles and shot guns in the back seat with two little children. The little boy accidentally blew his sister's brains out through the roof.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#716
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

All very nice until you consider that most North Americans are too ignorant and immature to be trusted with one. When I was a kid on the farm, I saw a car pull into the neighbours farm to ask permission to hunt on his property. Two guys got out of the car to talk to the farmer. Then all of a sudden there was a loud bang and the car roof burst open and blood shot up into the air. It seems those idiots left loaded rifles and shot guns in the back seat with two little children. The little boy accidentally blew his sister's brains out through the roof.

These guys were idiots, and idiots will kill themselves or others with cars, tools, electric appliance, etc....

Tragic, yes....but accidents happen.

There is no freedom without risk.
 
AnnaG
#717
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

All very nice until you consider that most North Americans are too ignorant and immature to be trusted with one. When I was a kid on the farm, I saw a car pull into the neighbours farm to ask permission to hunt on his property. Two guys got out of the car to talk to the farmer. Then all of a sudden there was a loud bang and the car roof burst open and blood shot up into the air. It seems those idiots left loaded rifles and shot guns in the back seat with two little children. The little boy accidentally blew his sister's brains out through the roof.

Yup. Stupidity kills. Life kills in all kinds of ways.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#718
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<H1>RCMP criticized for disclosing gun-registry info

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By Janice Tibbetts, Canwest News Service September 25, 2009



Public Safety Minister Peter Van Loan has asked the federal privacy commissioner to investigate whether the RCMP abused the personal information of gun owners by handing their names over to a pollster to use for a survey.
"This use of long-gun owners' personal information was offensive and inappropriate," Van Loan said in a statement Thursday.
The Conservatives have pledged for years to abolish the contentious long-gun registry for rifles and shotguns, created by the former Liberal government as part of a 1995 gun-control package passed in the wake of the Montreal massacre, in which 14 women were shot dead.
Van Loan seized on the RCMP's move as evidence that the fears of gun owners -- that their personal information would be abused -- has come to fruition.
"Conservatives and law-abiding Canadians have consistently warned the Liberals that the long-gun registry would be misused in this manner," he said.
Van Loan added that the government still intends to kill the registry. A bill was reintroduced earlier this year after it died in the last Parliament. Police and victims' groups support the registry.
Van Loan's spokesperson, Chris McCluskey, confirmed the minister asked the federal privacy commissioner to investigate, after learning the RCMP had given information on gun owners to the polling firm EKOS, so it could conduct a survey. The poll was commissioned by the RCMP to measure public satisfaction with gun control.
Van Loan said the ministry was not consulted about conducting the poll -- and it would never have approved it.
A spokesperson for the office of Privacy Commissioner Jennifer Stoddart said it does not appear "on the surface" that the Mounties violated the Privacy Act.
"This would not necessarily be considered a disclosure of personal information under the act, because the research firm is considered an 'agent' of the RCMP," Anne-Marie Hayden wrote in an e-mail.
The contractor, in this case EKOS, would have the same obligations for protecting personal information as the department that commissioned the work, she said.
"All that said, however, we have not had an opportunity to examine this issue in depth."
Hayden said the office found out about the issue through an inquiry from an unspecified MP's office.
She said the privacy commissioner's office has contacted the RCMP for more information.




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Wonderful. Our info is soooo secure in the hands of the gun control bureaucrats.
 
L Gilbert
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#719
Last I heard was that the rank & file RCMP weren't terribly ambitious about gun control, but their brass was. Perhaps EKOS should do a survey amongst the RCMP. As it sits. the records seem to be in a bit of disarray so a cop may not be getting correct info when he/she requests it. Not only that, a lot of people registered whatever they had that might remotely LOOK like a firearm; peashooters, waterpistols, cap guns, hair blowers, etc.
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It was funny when the gun-control geniuses in Ottawa registered a hair dryer as a firearm. It was funny when they registered an electric soldering gun as a firearm. It was not so funny when they registered three pump-action shotguns and a 9-mm pistol to Canada's most infamous gangster. That would be Maurice "Mom" Boucher, the Montreal biker boss who was put away last week for ordering the murders of two prison guards. Boucher was leader of the Montreal-based Hells Angels chapter blamed for Quebec's bloody biker wars.

Saskatoon Star, May,2002
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#720
A citizenry without guns is a sitting duck to its government and other nations. Are we being set up?