Beirut explosion


Mowich
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#31
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Qui benefacit animae? Who benefits?


No one, Walter. Most especially not the people of Lebanon who were long ago abandoned by their corrupt government and are now almost completely on their own save for any help coming from the rest of the world, which truth be known will just be a drop in the bucket considering the possibly trillions it will take to rebuild the harbor and repair/rebuild all the damage done by the blasts to infrastructure.
 
Mowich
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#32
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

For perspective, the blast was at the harbor, which argues pretty strongly it was a ship going up.

Just like what happened in Texas City, Texas, in 1947.


I'm a bit of a disaster junkie, Tec........but had not heard of that one so went online and read about it.

The difference between this Texas City disaster, at least from what I read, is that anyone who did know how volatile and explosive ammonia nitrate could be were obviously not around when the ship was being loaded else better precautions would have been taken.


Whereas in the Beirut situation, the powers that be were well aware that they had allowed a Russian freighter loaded with the shit to sit at their dock for years.............and did nothing.
 
Mowich
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#33
Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post

This blast has more in common with the Halifax munitions ship explosion in 1917, that leveled half of the city. 2,000 people died out of a total population of 95,000. For comparison sakes, Beirut has over 2,000,000 people.


Uh, no.............Tec was right to cite the Texas City explosion for the simple reason that in both these cases it is/was ammonium nitrate that caused the explosions. Whereas, in your example, it was munitions.


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The death toll could easily be in the tens of thousands, when all is said and done.

Ten of thousands might be a bit over the top regarding eventual death toll, Girth. Bad enough that thousands have been severely injured and that at least two major hospitals almost leveled by the blast.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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#34
The summary on the news now is that a Russian ship made an unscheduled stop in Beirut and offloaded 2750 tonnes of ammonium nitrate in 2014. Then the owner went bankrupt and. . . nothing happened. There are reports that the warehouse keepers sent messages "up the chain" on at least six occasions saying "Um. . . guys? We have nearly three thousand tonnes of explosives improperly stored in a warehouse just waiting to blow the city to hell. Can we get a hand here? Or at least some direction on what to do about it?"

No response.

This was the predictable result of a dysfunctional port authority, symptomatic of a dysfunctional, indifferent government. Now they've arrested six guys, basically at random, to be the fall guys.

Poor bastards.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
#35
I bet you not one of them was Russian.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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#36
Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiing View Post

I bet you not one of them was Russian.

No, they were people who work at the port, hence Lebanese.
 
Mowich
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#37
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

The summary on the news now is that a Russian ship made an unscheduled stop in Beirut and offloaded 2750 tonnes of ammonium nitrate in 2014. Then the owner went bankrupt and. . . nothing happened. There are reports that the warehouse keepers sent messages "up the chain" on at least six occasions saying "Um. . . guys? We have nearly three thousand tonnes of explosives improperly stored in a warehouse just waiting to blow the city to hell. Can we get a hand here? Or at least some direction on what to do about it?"

No response.

This was the predictable result of a dysfunctional port authority, symptomatic of a dysfunctional, indifferent government. Now they've arrested six guys, basically at random, to be the fall guys.

Poor bastards.


That about sums up what I've been reading about this, Tec. The NY Times did a pretty good background story on the ship and it's contents and the subsequent refusal of the government to do anything to protect the port/city/people from just such a horrendous disaster.
 
Girth
#38
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

The summary on the news now is that a Russian ship made an unscheduled stop in Beirut and offloaded 2750 tonnes of ammonium nitrate in 2014. Then the owner went bankrupt and. . . nothing happened. There are reports that the warehouse keepers sent messages "up the chain" on at least six occasions saying "Um. . . guys? We have nearly three thousand tonnes of explosives improperly stored in a warehouse just waiting to blow the city to hell. Can we get a hand here? Or at least some direction on what to do about it?"
No response.
This was the predictable result of a dysfunctional port authority, symptomatic of a dysfunctional, indifferent government. Now they've arrested six guys, basically at random, to be the fall guys.
Poor bastards.

This will topple the Government. It may lead to a revolution. 300,000 homeless in a pandemic, especially due to bureaucratic negligence. will topple any Government.
 
Girth
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#39
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

That about sums up what I've been reading about this, Tec. The NY Times did a pretty good background story on the ship and it's contents and the subsequent refusal of the government to do anything to protect the port/city/people from just such a horrendous disaster.

How can anyone forget about almost 3,000 kg of explosive material?

Heads should roll.

I could not help but notice the BDS movement is going on about Israel again, accusing them of "gaslighting" by opening up their Hospitals and offering assistance to the victims.
 
Walter
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#40
The Beirut Blast Is A Reminder That Hezbollah Has Ruined Lebanon
More than any other group in Lebanon, the Iranian-backed terrorist group Hezbollah bears responsibility for the conditions that led to the blast.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/06...uined-lebanon/

Yep.
 
Mowich
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#41
Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post

How can anyone forget about almost 3,000 kg of explosive material?

From what I've been reading about the Lebanese government, I doubt they gave a shit, Girth. They were far too busy padding their own pockets.

Quote:

Heads should roll.

Oh they will - thing is it won't be the ones that should.
 
Walter
#42
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

From what I've been reading about the Lebanese government, I doubt they gave a shit, Girth. They were far too busy padding their own pockets.
Oh they will - thing is it won't be the ones that should.

2,750 tons is about 2,5000,000 kg.
 
taxslave
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#43
There are some oddities which we may never know the truth about. First off Ammonium Nitrate is very stable and to make an explosive that works worth a shit it requires diesel fuel added. It requires a fairly substantial explosion to set it off even then. The approved method of disposing of ANFO is burning, it is that stable.
I heard today that there were fireworks stored in the same warehouse. That potentially could set off an explosion if a large enough fireworks exploded in the fertilizer. Then the question is what set off the fireworks?
 
Tecumsehsbones
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#44
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

2,750 tons is about 2,5000,000 kg.

"2,5000,000."

Yes, he actually wrote that.


NB: For anybody who's interested, a "tonne" (AKA a "metric ton" or "long ton") is 1000 kg, or 2205 pounds. Ergo, 2750 tonnes is exactly 2,750,000 kg.
 
taxslave
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#45
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

"2,5000,000."
Yes, he actually wrote that.
NB: For anybody who's interested, a "tonne" (AKA a "metric ton" or "long ton") is 1000 kg, or 2205 pounds. Ergo, 2750 tonnes is exactly 2,750,000 kg.

Wow.An American that does metric. Amazing what you can do with an Iphone these daze. Maybe you could give wally a few math lessons. ANd make him write out the work cause I want to see how he came up with the 2 1/2 million lbs.
 
Walter
#46
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Wow.An American that does metric. Amazing what you can do with an Iphone these daze. Maybe you could give wally a few math lessons. ANd make him write out the work cause I want to see how he came up with the 2 1/2 million lbs.

I came up with about 2,500,000kg, nothing about pounds. Tons with one n is imperial measurement.
 
taxslave
#47
I still see 2 750 000 kg. Unless the new math changed how many kgs are in a tonne. But I used my fingers instead of a made in china calculator.
 
Walter
#48
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

I still see 2 750 000 kg. Unless the new math changed how many kgs are in a tonne. But I used my fingers instead of a made in china calculator.

Estimation is a tool all mathematicians use. The original unit was tons not tonnes.
 
gerryh
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#49
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Estimation is a tool all mathematicians use. The original unit was tons not tonnes.

No, the original unit reported in the news articles from Beirut was metric tons, or tonnes. Not the imperial tons. It was 2750 tonnes of ammonium nitrate. So TB is dead on and you're out to lunch, as usual.
Last edited by gerryh; Aug 7th, 2020 at 06:00 PM..
 
Tecumsehsbones
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#50
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Wow.An American that does metric. Amazing what you can do with an Iphone these daze. Maybe you could give wally a few math lessons. ANd make him write out the work cause I want to see how he came up with the 2 1/2 million lbs.

Our military uses metric.
 
Walter
#51
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

No, the original unit reported in the news articles from Beirut was metric tons, or tonnes. Not the imperial tons. It was 2750 tonnes of ammonium nitrate. So TB is dead on and you're out to lunch, as usual.

Well, I missed the metric part of tons then. I don’t believe the werd metric was in any of the posts before my estimation.
 
taxslave
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#52
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Our military uses metric.

Didn't know that. Must really help when dealing with NATO. Too bad American equipment manufacturers couldn't follow suit. After around 40 years of official metric I still have to have two sets of tools. The worst are vehicles that are half&half.
 
taxslave
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#53
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Well, I missed the metric part of tons then. I donít believe the werd metric was in any of the posts before my estimation.

That's OK wally. Some people think it was a ship that blew up.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#54
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

That's OK wally. Some people think it was a ship that blew up.

Clearly, it was an Israeli airstrike.
 
taxslave
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#55
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Clearly, it was an Israeli airstrike.

Jezus don't give the nutbars any more ammunition.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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#56
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Jezus don't give the nutbars any more ammunition.

I think they prefer the term "akbars."
 
Mowich
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#57


In Batumi, the bill of lading - the document acknowledging receipt of cargo - lists Rustavi Azot LLC as the company supplying the ammonium nitrate and says the customer is the International Bank of Mozambique, acting on behalf of a small Mozambique firm specialising in the manufacture of commercial explosives.





The photo is from summer 2014. Two men stand smiling on the deck of an unremarkable looking cargo ship in Beirut Harbour.

Innocuous looking white sacks are stacked in the hold behind them.The sacks contain nearly 3,000 tonnes of high-density ammonium nitrate.
One man, in blue, slightly squinting into the camera, is on the phone.

He was a man with a lot on his mind. By that point Captain Boris Prokoshev and several of his crew had been stuck in the port for months.

More:www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/x2iutcqf1g/beirut-blast

 
Tecumsehsbones
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#58
I recognize that boat! It's the Maersk Kaboom!
 
taxslave
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#59
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post


In Batumi, the bill of lading - the document acknowledging receipt of cargo - lists Rustavi Azot LLC as the company supplying the ammonium nitrate and says the customer is the International Bank of Mozambique, acting on behalf of a small Mozambique firm specialising in the manufacture of commercial explosives.


The photo is from summer 2014. Two men stand smiling on the deck of an unremarkable looking cargo ship in Beirut Harbour.
Innocuous looking white sacks are stacked in the hold behind them.The sacks contain nearly 3,000 tonnes of high-density ammonium nitrate.
One man, in blue, slightly squinting into the camera, is on the phone.
He was a man with a lot on his mind. By that point Captain Boris Prokoshev and several of his crew had been stuck in the port for months.
More:www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/x2iutcqf1g/beirut-blast

If it is destined for explosives it is not fertilizer, although they are the same substance. The prills are larger and are coated with a type of silicone to prevent absorbing moisture when used as an explosive. Then needs diesel added to make a decent explosive. Still needs a good shock to set it off.
 
Girth
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#60
Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post

This will topple the Government. It may lead to a revolution. 300,000 homeless in a pandemic, especially due to bureaucratic negligence. will topple any Government.

Lebanese Government announces resignation
 

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