High School to Test Students for Alcohol


sanctus
#1
PEQUANNOCK, N.J. (AP) -- High school kids who illegally go drinking over the weekend could still find themselves in trouble at school a few days later.

A New Jersey school district is adopting a new policy that allows officials to randomly test students. The test they'll use can detect alcohol as much as three days after its consumption.

When students test positive, their parents will be told. They'll also get counseling, but won't be kicked off teams or kept from after-school activities.

The school superintendent believes it'll keep students from giving in to peer pressure to drink.

Officials acknowledge the tests can produce false positives after using things like mouthwash and Balsamic vinegar. But they say a student generally has to have one or two drinks for the test to register.

The American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey calls the tests an invasion of privacy.

AP
 
tamarin
#2
A recent report from Newark NJ stated fully a 100 teachers in the city have quit already this school year complaining about unsafe teaching conditions. Newark itself has seen rising homicide rates and a spate of shootings, many near schools. If this is the environment in which students go to school and teachers teach, then maybe some 'testing' is overdue.
 
DurkaDurka
#3
What the students do on their weekends is no business of the school board. I imagine the ACLU will be filing lawsuits as a result of this...
 
tamarin
#4
The ACLU never tires of spending its rich donors' money.
 
eh1eh
#5
America the free. NOT.
 
DurkaDurka
#6
frivolous some of their lawsuits may be, they have had some success though when your pricacy is trampled on by corporations and various levels of government.
 
tamarin
#7
But the rub remains: why do the ACLU and its rich sponsors have the right to influence policy in our courts and lives? The ordinary Joe means nothing to the elitist organization. It has the money to pay for endless courtroom battles, battles that affect us and our communities. What ever happened happened to one man, one vote?
 
marygaspe
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka View Post

What the students do on their weekends is no business of the school board. I imagine the ACLU will be filing lawsuits as a result of this...

And well they should. My children are grown now, but if they were in that high school system I would very much resent such tests and would never give permission for same. The school is to teach children, not to condition and control their outside life. That is what parents are for.
 
Curiosity
#9
Another example of the abdication of parents and their parental rights

Hollywood and MTV have had its way with the teens, and the parents are in fear of the pressure from their own children...
 
tamarin
#10
So if neither schools nor parents end up directing/influencing children who fills the void? And how are they accountable to us?
 
hermanntrude
#11
fair enough. If the school's that worried about it, why not test the kids? bloody parents ought to be teaching the kids about booze though, telling them it's not good for kids, and is bad for anyone in quantity.
 
marygaspe
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrude View Post

fair enough. If the school's that worried about it, why not test the kids? bloody parents ought to be teaching the kids about booze though, telling them it's not good for kids, and is bad for anyone in quantity.

That may very well be true, but the school has no business in the homelife of the children unless there is abuse going on.
 
marygaspe
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by tamarin View Post

So if neither schools nor parents end up directing/influencing children who fills the void? And how are they accountable to us?


Not the schools, that's for sure. they are notorious for crossing the lines in my opinion. Maybe, if all else fails, the Church.
 
mapleleafgirl
#14
oh yeah, like right...like i would let them test me like that! its none of their business what we do in our own time.
 
Tonington
#15
Hah, I would have told them to shove that needle or whatever up their @ss.
 
marygaspe
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by mapleleafgirl View Post

oh yeah, like right...like i would let them test me like that! its none of their business what we do in our own time.

I agree. It takes away the place of the parents to watch their children.
 
ottawabill
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by marygaspe View Post

I agree. It takes away the place of the parents to watch their children.

This tread is so similar to this joke..errr "real life situation"


DIFFERENCE IN CHILD DISCIPLINE IN 1960 vs. 2006

Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after
school.


1960 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake
hands and end up best friends. Nobody goes to jail, nobody
arrested, nobody expelled.

2006 - Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny
and Mark.
Charge them with assault, both expelled from school even
though Johnny started it.

************************************************** ********************

Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other
students.


1960 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling
by Principal. Sits still in class.

2006 - Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie.
School gets extra money because Jeffrey has a disability.

************************************************** ********************
Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his father's car and
his Dad gives him a whipping.


1960 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal,
goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.

2006 - Billy's Dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy
removed to foster care and joins a gang. Billy's sister is told by
psychologist that she remembers being abused herself and
their Dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has affair with
psychologist.

************************************************** *******************

Scenario: Mary is pregnant.

1960 - 5 High School Boys leave town. Mary does her Grade 12 year
at a special school for expectant mothers.

2006 - School Counsellor calls Planned Parenthood. Mary
is drivento the next province and gets an abortion without her
parents' consent or knowledge. Mary given condoms and told to be
more careful next time.

************************************************** ********************

Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from
Halloween, puts them in a bottle, blows up a red ant
hill.


1960- Ants die.

2006 - Fire Department and RCMP called. Johnny charged
with domestic terrorism, Provincial Government investigates
parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated,
Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list.

************************************************** ********************
Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess and
scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher Mary who hugs
him to comfort him.


1960 - In a short time Johnny feels better and goes on
playing.

2006 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and
loses her job. She faces 3 years in prison.
 
hermanntrude
#18
This tread is so similar to this joke..errr "real life situation"


DIFFERENCE IN CHILD DISCIPLINE IN 1960 vs. 2006

Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after
school.

1960 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake
hands and end up best friends. Nobody goes to jail, nobody
arrested, nobody expelled. Johnny and mark both grow up thinking violence is just fine for sorting out problems, and end up beaten to a pulp or in prison

2006 - Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny
and Mark.
Charge them with assault, both expelled from school even
though Johnny started it.

************************************************** ********************

Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other
students.

1960 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling
by Principal. Sits still in class. Jeffrey learns the lesson that when someone is doing something he doesnt like he should hit them. Jeffrey goes to prison for beating his wife.

2006 - Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie.
School gets extra money because Jeffrey has a disability.

************************************************** ********************
Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his father's car and
his Dad gives him a whipping.

1960 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up apparently normal,
goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman. Billy hates his father for hurting him, becomes more and more proud, greedy and corrupt as he grows in power, and eventually feels he is above the law, starts using child prostitutes to make himself feel more manly, his father dies without ever healing the wounds, and billy dies bitter and twsited, albeit rich.

2006 - Billy's Dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy
removed to foster care and joins a gang. Billy's sister is told by
psychologist that she remembers being abused herself and
their Dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has affair with
psychologist.

************************************************** *******************

Scenario: Mary is pregnant.

1960 - 5 High School Boys leave town. Mary does her Grade 12 year
at a special school for expectant mothers. high school boys were beaten to within an inch of their lives by father before leaving town, and become unable to maintain relationships with any women ever again, mary is thought of as a total **** and shunned by the females in the town for the rest of her life, she grows up bitter and hating her child. the child is also bitter and rebels and ends up in prison.

2006 - School Counsellor calls Planned Parenthood. Mary
is drivento the next province and gets an abortion without her
parents' consent or knowledge. Mary given condoms and told to be
more careful next time.

************************************************** ********************

Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from
Halloween, puts them in a bottle, blows up a red ant
hill.

1960- Ants die. Johnny gets blinded by flying glass

2006 - Fire Department and RCMP called. Johnny charged
with domestic terrorism, Provincial Government investigates
parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated,
Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list.

************************************************** ********************
Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess and
scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher Mary who hugs
him to comfort him.

1960 - In a short time Johnny feels better and goes on
playing. actually i agree with this one

2006 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and
loses her job. She faces 3 years in prison.
 
m_levesque
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by ottawabill View Post

This tread is so similar to this joke..errr "real life situation"


DIFFERENCE IN CHILD DISCIPLINE IN 1960 vs. 2006

Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after
school.


1960 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake
hands and end up best friends. Nobody goes to jail, nobody
arrested, nobody expelled.

2006 - Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny
and Mark.
Charge them with assault, both expelled from school even
though Johnny started it.

************************************************** ********************

Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other
students.


1960 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling
by Principal. Sits still in class.

2006 - Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie.
School gets extra money because Jeffrey has a disability.

************************************************** ********************
Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his father's car and
his Dad gives him a whipping.


1960 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal,
goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.

2006 - Billy's Dad is ar


Funny, but saddly so much truth in it. My wife is a school teacher in a Catholic grade school. They have been given very firm guidelines by the School Board about how to touch the children, and they are never to hug them! It's very sad because she teaches grade 1 and they are so open to embraces and hugging from adults, and so innocent.
 
Tonington
#20
My mother teaches grade primary and gets hugs from her students all the time. How very sad that some school boards are so rigid.
 
canadarocks
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington View Post

My mother teaches grade primary and gets hugs from her students all the time. How very sad that some school boards are so rigid.

Maybe they're afraid of potential lawsuits? I know that the public school board in my area has issued its teachers pretty much the same directives about not hugging the students. My neighbour teaches at a public grade school. Funny though, the local Catholic board here has no rules against hugging.
 
ottawabill
#22
why? are you saying everyone who grew up in the 60's/70's is violent and out of control???

Sure that was a joke but life was not taken so seriously in general..and most people grew up just fine...
 

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