Marijuana Party Leader Joins Liberals


Reverend Blair
#91
Yeah, I always believe what the Winnipeg Police say. When they aren't fabricating murder cases against the innocent they are beating the crap out of natives. When they say, "Asian gangs," I think, "Hey, there's a minority you haven't gone after for a few years. What's the matter, having some trouble with the usual targets now that they're videotaping you?"
 
tibear
#92
RB,

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Again, you must have a very difficult life, if everyone you meet is a criminal, every cop you meet is corrupt.


Who said that? Besides you, I mean, tibear.

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Yeah, I always believe what the Winnipeg Police say. When they aren't fabricating murder cases against the innocent they are beating the crap out of natives. When they say, "Asian gangs," I think, "Hey, there's a minority you haven't gone after for a few years. What's the matter, having some trouble with the usual targets now that they're videotaping you?"

I rest my case!
 
Vanni Fucci
Free Thinker
#93
The bible-belt to which I referred, is the area south and east of the city...Steinbach, Winkler, Morden...

Winnipeg Police Services has no jurisdiction in those areas, so why would you put up a Winnipeg Police link?
 
Reverend Blair
#94
I don't quite know how to tell you this, tibear...I'm not native or Asian though. I'm not a member of a visible minority. The cops pretty much leave me alone as a result. You too, I suspect.

Th Winnipeg City Police have long and hard-earned history of racism, incompetence, and corruption. If you live here and actually watch the local news you already knew that though.
 
peapod
#95
I think the guy tibear is talking about is the same guy that told him he and 11 family members can live like kings on 50 k a year :P Its the same old song and dance with you people...vilify vilfiy...even if it s a plant. And ehm...I think in america most of the "gange farmers..are ehm...those nice bible thumping farmers outa the plains...
 
tibear
#96
Nice to see the 'gang mentality' is still alive and well. What point are you making Pea???

I thought we had agreed that if you don't have anything meaningful to contribute to a debate that others would stay out of the debate and not "gang up" on others.

Vanni,

I did a quick search on the net and found large busts in stonewall, gimli, falcon beach, other various interlake locations. Sorry nothing about the bible belt.

I'm not saying that there aren't any grow operations there but your assertion that
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Ever notice how most grow-ops here in Manitoba are in the Bible-belt and run by children of devout Christians...ever wonder why that is???

is completely absurb. Get your facts straight.
 
peapod
#97
Stop whining with the ganging up crap, its just another way you twist and riddle. If you don't like it, that most of the people at this board think the same way on many issues, than blow your nose and take your marbles and go home and tell your mama.
 
tibear
#98
Pea,

Shouldn't an administrator follow the rules of the forum???? In any light, your last post would be recognized as a personal attack.
 
tibear
#99
I've been reading the rules of this forum and came across the following:

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Canadian Content offers it's users open forums. These services are available free of charge, but may not be used in the following manners: Defame, abuse, harass or threaten others; Make any bigoted or hateful statements; Advocate illegal activity or discuss illegal activities with the intent to commit them

Could the discussion here by members(including two administrators) be violating the rules of the forum by advocating illegal activity or discussing illegal activities with the intent to commit them????

Perhaps the administrators should rethink their positions on this forum??
 
peapod
#100
Stop whining and if you don't like what I say there is place where you can report it.
 
tibear
#101
To whom do report you Pea??? To yourself???

Great little system you have here. Rules are written that you are to enforce, yet you yourself regularly break them.
 
peapod
#102
Ehm...no you do not report it to me...at the bottom of each post is a Xreport. You can make your complaint there. Take your whine to him, the wizard.
 
Andem
Free Thinker
#103
As far as I can tell, there is nobody here who is conspiring to commit an illegal activity.
 
tibear
#104
Andem,

I assume that you are aware of the drug laws in this country?? How can you honestly sit there and say that noone in this forum is "conspiring to commit an illegal activity"????

Simple possession of certain drugs is illegal, heck we have an entire section of this forum dedicated to pro-marijuana use. This isn't condoning illegal activities????

If this forum isn't promoting illegal activities, would it be possible to open a forum regarding perhaps break and enter techniques??
 
Twila
#105
Maybe it's like prostitution. Where it's not illegal for the women to sell sex, but it's illegal for the men to buy it?

It's not illegal to smoke pot, just illegal to posses it.
 
peapod
#106
twila you are a wise women
 
Reverend Blair
#107
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Simple possession of certain drugs is illegal, heck we have an entire section of this forum dedicated to pro-marijuana use. This isn't condoning illegal activities????

If this forum isn't promoting illegal activities, would it be possible to open a forum regarding perhaps break and enter techniques??

There is very definite difference between promoting changing a stupid section of the legal code and breaking the law, tibear. Nobody on here has given instructions on how grow or prune pot plants, how sell pot, or even the best ways to smoke it.
 
tibear
#108
Stupid in who's eyes??

Your and your group wouldn't be trying to force your views and lifestyle onto the rest of us are you???

I think we can both agree that many people on this forum are in favour of possessing and using marijuana and that my friend is illegal in this country. Perhaps the forum rules need to be changed if Andem doesn't have any problems with the way the discussions are happening here.
 
Reverend Blair
#109
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Stupid in who's eyes??

According to the polls, 60% to 80% of Canadians.

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Your and your group wouldn't be trying to force your views and lifestyle onto the rest of us are you???

I would no more force you to take drugs than I would force you to have an abortion, tibear.

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I think we can both agree that many people on this forum are in favour of possessing and using marijuana and that my friend is illegal in this country.

Being in favour is not illegal, neither is using it. Of the three things you mentioned only possession is illegal.
 
tibear
#110
RB,


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Being in favour is not illegal, neither is using it. Of the three things you mentioned only possession is illegal.

Taken right off the government website,
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Heavy use of cannabis is linked to serious health problems like respiratory damage and impairment of physical co-ordination. The Government of Canada believes that, in the interest of health, cannabis use must remain illegal.

So now two out of three are illegal. I didn't look into the justice site to look at all the various laws, but I'm assuming that the government did the research before posting this information on their website.

BTW, surprise, surprise I don't believe your numbers with respect to the number of people favouring the decriminalization of marijuana.
 
peapod
#111
Well surprise surprise we expected nothing less of you tibear...


Marijuana Growth in BC
An edited version appeared in the National Post, June 17, 2004

Author(s):
Dr. Stephen T. Easton, SFU Professor of Economics and Senior Fellow, The Fraser Institute

Email: stevee@fraserinstitute.ca

Release Date : June 17, 2004

Should Marijuana in Canada be grown, regulated and taxed like any other commodity? At the present time there is little evidence that the prohibition on production and consumption is successful in making it unavailable. For those of you who doubt, ask a child whether he or she knows someone in school from whom they could get marijuana. In fact, nineteen percent of children between the ages of 12 and 15 and twenty-three percent of all Canadians over the age of fifteen have tried it (and presumably inhaled), and nearly two million are currently using. These numbers are likely to increase, as most Canadians who have never used are today’s seniors. Boomers are, or were, in the vanguard of users, and younger people use more frequently than older folks.

Marijuana cultivation can be found across Canada and British Columbia has been a particular locus of production. To give some idea of the scale of operations, in year 2000 there were 2,800 “busts” of marijuana grow operations in BC. If the police were able to find and demolish ten percent of all “grow ops” in the province, it suggests that there were 28,000 out there. Based on a little economic theory and modest data, I estimate there are about 17,000 -18,000 marijuana grow operations at this time. Since the average operation that was busted had 180 plants and each plant yields about 33 grams of usable marijuana dry, British Columbia’s commercial production is probably in the range of 400,000 kilograms (using the conservative assumption that there are 4 crops a year).

This is a lot of product and it is worth a lot of money although exactly how much depends in part on the units in which the crop is measured. A kilogram of marijuana may sell for as much as $5,000 wholesale. If these production estimates are reasonable, then the value of the BC crop is worth something like $2 billion at the wholesale level. Naturally, retail would sell for far more. Marijuana purchased for $15 by the gram makes a kilogram worth $15,000. Using these units would inflate the final value of the crop by a factor of three. How big is this? In 2000 the gross domestic product of British Columbia was roughly $130 billion, so that depending how you want to value local production, sales of marijuana output amounts to between 1.5 and 4.6 percent of the province’s GDP.

Since British Columbia is likely to consume only 30,000 or so kilograms, the rest is destined for markets in the US or the rest of Canada.

There are other consequences of the marijuana prohibition. Resources are used not only for finding marijuana grow operations, but are also needed to prosecute and penalize offenders. In 2001, 50,000 Canadians were charged with possession, 11,000 with trafficking, and 9,000 with cultivation. This should be expected since there are currently nearly two million Canadians who use marijuana.

A difficult issue to forecast is what might happen if marijuana were made legal. Should the price of marijuana fall, as we would expect, usage would rise. This is unacceptable to many. One strategy could be to tax marijuana at a rate that keeps the current retail price the same. To the extent that consumers are paying it now, there is no reason to believe that they would not be willing to pay the same for the product when legal. An estimate of the retail price of a marijuana cigarette puts it at about $8.50 while the cost of production is $1.50. This would imply a tax rate of $7 per cigarette that would keep prices the same as they are now. If domestic consumption is in the range of 160,000 kilograms and a cigarette is about half a gram, then tax revenue implied by this standstill arrangement is over $2 billion. This is some carrot, and it would have additional advantages.

At the present time, the differential between final sales price and the cost of production goes to distribution costs and profit. In many cases these profits are going to organized crime and provide base funding for unsavory activities that most of us abhor. Were marijuana legal, these funds would no longer be available for mob use. In 1917-18 in Canada, and in the 1920s and early 1930s in the US, alcohol production and consumption was heavily restricted or prohibited. Gangsters like Al Capone were able to use the profits from illegal alcohol production to build criminal empires whose legacies we continue to live with nearly a century later. Removing alcohol prohibition generated many problems, but none like those afflicting society in the days of Murder Inc and their ilk.

Potentially, the biggest problem Canada would have if we were to legalize marijuana is with the United States. If the US were to add to the frictions of trade by requiring special inspections and the like, then there is no doubt that this could damage our income far beyond any advantage that could be had through legalization of marijuana. It is ironic that legalization and regulation in Canada might do more to reduce the flow of marijuana to the US than a continuation of currently illegal production and extensive exportation. Legal producers risk losing their licenses for profitable enterprise through illegal sales, and these same producers certainly would not want competitors illegally profiting through exports. The industry would have incentives to comply with local production regulations although as long as the US retains prohibition, the incentive to supply the US market continues to provide lucrative opportunities.

As more and more Canadians are of a generation for whom marijuana is not an unknown commodity, it seems likely that our attitudes and laws will more faithfully reflect our experiences. Marijuana consumption is widespread in Canada and has been for some time. Production gives every indication of being widespread. Consequently, the broader social question becomes not whether we approve or disapprove of local production, but rather who shall enjoy the spoils. If we treat it like any other commodity we can tax it, regulate it, and use the resources the industry generates rather than continue a war against consumption and production that has long since been lost. What is the appropriate policy? How do we weight the US response? These are the kinds of issues we should be discussing with respect to marijuana.

There are plenty of other studies at SFU you can read to...But of course your answer is not finding answers to problems, you would have us believe that prohibition is the answer, when in fact history tell us the exact opposite. Thank goodness that the majority of canadians will do whatever it takes to see that the conservatives never have the opportunity to bring this country back to the stone age.
 
Reverend Blair
#112
But use is only illegal insofar as you have to possess marijuana to use it. There is no charge of "using marijuana," only of of possession of marijuana. Back to only one of the three, tibear.

I really don't give a flying ***naughty word*** at a rolling doughnut if you believe the polls or not. Those are the range of numbers I've seen. As you can see, it's quite a range. That's because there have been a variety of polls with a variety of questions.
 
PoisonPete2
#113
Trudeau suggested that Government has no place in the bedroom of the nation.

Private behaviour is not the business of the Government.

Health concerns over pot are a 'smoke-screen' (LOL) for social engineering. Its a failed experiment that has criminalized 600,000 citizens.

Freedom is all about limiting Government sactions.

Exempt pot from our U.N. agreement, Legalize pot and to hell with American pressure. They do not respect us either way.
 
Chake99
#114
If private beaviour is not the business of the government should heroin and cocaine be legalized? I know I am exaggerating the issue but I'm trying to make a point.

Sometimes there are things that the average person cannot take handle, and requires numerous people to tackle properly.

Freedom is all about limiting government sanctions?

If so would this be a freer country if all labour restrictions were removed? It definately would not be a better one.

Marijuana in many ways is more harmful than cigarettes, it contains more tar and limits will-power and ambition.

However unlike cigarettes it doesn't create a physical dependance (though it sometimes creates a mental one), and is usually not smoked in the same quantities.

Any health argument is BS. The active ingredient of Marijuana (the name currently slips my mind) is available in other medications, and dosages are nearly impossible to measure when taken in joints.

However, the number of people arrested is ridiculous, as well as the fact they receive criminal records. Despite the fact that I don't think people should smoke marijuana I think it would make the most sense to be legalized and taken care of by the government with firm restrictions put in place and price held up by taxes. The government would end up getting the money instead of the drug dealers.

Cigarettes are legal, this is just about as harmful.
 
peapod
#115
Just a thought, but you don't have to smoke it, you can make cookies or bud butter. This would by pass using your lungs, which I agree is not a good idea :P
 
PoisonPete2
#116
[quote="Chake99"]If private beaviour is not the business of the government should heroin and cocaine be legalized? I know I am exaggerating the issue but I'm trying to make a point.

Yes.
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Sometimes there are things that the average person cannot take handle, and requires numerous people to tackle properly.

Answer - exactly why Government should continue
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Freedom is all about limiting government sanctions?

If so would this be a freer country if all labour restrictions were removed? It definately would not be a better one.

Answer - I did not indicate support for anarchy, just respect for individuals in a mass society.
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Marijuana in many ways is more harmful than cigarettes, it contains more tar and limits will-power and ambition.

Not true. Please take the time to seek out authentic research instead of Government lies. If tobacco was now used as originally done, there would be few ill effects from it. (smudging and ceremonial smoking)
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Any health argument is BS. The active ingredient of Marijuana (the name currently slips my mind) is available in other medications, and dosages are nearly impossible to measure when taken in joints.

Answer - drugs such as Merinol are synthetic and do not have the level of benefits of cannibis for appetite stimulation, pain reduction, mood change etc. They often have negative side effects. Cannibis cannot be patented, so legalization would be a threat to many existing pharma patents. Delta 9 THC is easy to monitor. But basically it is also easy to reach the level of effect you seek.
 
no1important
#117
Well i think there are a great many drugs that doctors prescribe that are a hell of a lot worse than marijuana.
 
Chake99
#118
[quote][quote="PoisonPete2"]
Quote: Originally Posted by Chake99

If private beaviour is not the business of the government should heroin and cocaine be legalized? I know I am exaggerating the issue but I'm trying to make a point.

Yes.
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They create severe dependencies that most people cannot overcome..
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Sometimes there are things that the average person cannot take handle, and requires numerous people to tackle properly.

Answer - exactly why Government should continue
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If you agree with my statement why do you not agree with its relevance to this argument?
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Freedom is all about limiting government sanctions?

If so would this be a freer country if all labour restrictions were removed? It definately would not be a better one.

Answer - I did not indicate support for anarchy, just respect for individuals in a mass society.
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And you sounded like that could only be achieved via the removal of government restrictions.
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Marijuana in many ways is more harmful than cigarettes, it contains more tar and limits will-power and ambition.

Not true. Please take the time to seek out authentic research instead of Government lies. If tobacco was now used as originally done, there would be few ill effects from it. (smudging and ceremonial smoking)
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Who said it was from the government? Its what I've heard from every reliable source I've bothered to listen to. Ok the tar bit is from the government.
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Any health argument is BS. The active ingredient of Marijuana (the name currently slips my mind) is available in other medications, and dosages are nearly impossible to measure when taken in joints.

Answer - drugs such as Merinol are synthetic and do not have the level of benefits of cannibis for appetite stimulation, pain reduction, mood change etc. They often have negative side effects. Cannibis cannot be patented, so legalization would be a threat to many existing pharma patents. Delta 9 THC is easy to monitor. But basically it is also easy to reach the level of effect you seek.

Why because they are synthetic would they not have the same level of benefits? If its synthesized for a purpose using the same main ingredients as something natural, chances are it will be better at achieving that purpose than the natural drug. However recreation is not a medicinal drug's purposes.
 
PoisonPete2
#119
[quote="Chake99"][quote][quote="PoisonPete2"]
Quote: Originally Posted by Chake99

And you sounded like that could only be achieved via the removal of government restrictions.

Answer - No. I suggested 'limiting government saction'. Government should be in the service of the People, not the reverse. The Canadian Government banned marijuana without research or understanding of what they were prohibiting and some 60 years later we are still paying a huge social cost.
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Why because they are synthetic would they not have the same level of benefits? If its synthesized for a purpose using the same main ingredients as something natural, chances are it will be better at achieving that purpose than the natural drug. However recreation is not a medicinal drug's purposes.

Answer - nature often does a better job than science. A synthetic product cannot have the identical molecular structure as the substance that it is trying to mimic, or it would not be patentable and the pharma would make no profit. Even synthetic vitamins are not absorbed or utilized by the body as well as the natural vitamins.
 
Chake99
#120
[quote="PoisonPete2"][quote="Chake99"][quote]
Quote: Originally Posted by PoisonPete2

Quote: Originally Posted by Chake99

And you sounded like that could only be achieved via the removal of government restrictions.

Answer - No. I suggested 'limiting government saction'. Government should be in the service of the People, not the reverse.

amen to that.
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The Canadian Government banned marijuana without research or understanding of what they were prohibiting and some 60 years later we are still paying a huge social cost.
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its not harmless, but I do think it should be legalized. We are on the same goddamn side.
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Why because they are synthetic would they not have the same level of benefits? If its synthesized for a purpose using the same main ingredients as something natural, chances are it will be better at achieving that purpose than the natural drug. However recreation is not a medicinal drug's purposes.

Answer - nature often does a better job than science. A synthetic product cannot have the identical molecular structure as the substance that it is trying to mimic, or it would not be patentable and the pharma would make no profit. Even synthetic vitamins are not absorbed or utilized by the body as well as the natural vitamins.

A synthetic product can take the active ingredient out of a natural product and make it easier to administer, and lessen the range of effects, when we use drugs for healthcare we should try as much as possible not to get people to start liking them.

Plants are created to survive, not for medicinal reasons, medicinal drugs are created for healthcare.
 

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