Marijuana Party Leader Joins Liberals


tibear
#31
RB,

At least your consistent. That I admire.

So open drugs for everyone, marijuana, cocaine , crystal-meth, heroin, crack, etc.

Interesting. Not sure if I'd like to live in that world but it would be interesting.
 
Twila
#32
They've made some alcohol illegal here in Canada. Absynthe is not legally sold here in North America. At least not the Real version.

So why couldn't some drugs be legal?
 
Reverend Blair
#33
They were all legal before, Tibear. You didn't even need a prescription. A ten year old could wander into Ye Olde Apothecary and pick them up without even a note from their mother.

There weren't massive addiction problems.
 
Karlin
#34
[quote="Reverend Blair"]That I'm a chain-smoker, tibear. I have a hand-rolled cigarette prepared from some fine Dutch halfzware shag hanging out of my mouth as type this.

I hardly ever smoke pot though. I don't care if other people do, and I'm a believer in its medicinal benefits, but I'm not a big fan of that particular high.

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Maybe you should try a little harder Rev? -

How about this: "cannibus lessens the harmfull effects of smoking tobacco" ? WOW! wouldn't that be a blockbuster? [its true!]

There are so many health benefits to marijuana. They are not well known because the pharmaceutical industry would lose half their business to pot.
I don't know for sure that toking will take the smoking harms away, nobody does because nobody looked into it yet, scientifically.

What I am sure of is that they find "hyper-inflated lungs" amongst the dope smokers, and shrivelled up dark lungs in tobacco smokers. "Hyperinflated" might not be great, but its better than shrivlled and dark. This is just something noticed by x-ray techs in the normal course of their duties... nobody is looking into it scientifically, as I said allready. If "they" were looking out for our health and not just for profits, this would be a well-known fact by now.

"Hyperinflated lungs" have allowed me to be the wind player [sax] with the longest held note, the mountain climber with the most wind when others are gasping, and I can swim two lengths underwater in one breath. I give the credit to smoking pot.

Pot could be a cancer fighter too - maybe it simply keeps cancer cells from starting. We don't know, but it appears to be true that pot smokers don't get cancer at the high rates of non-tokers.

Ray Charles could have had his sight saved when he was a youngster if they gave him pot - occular pressure is lowered when cannibus is administered, and thats exactly what blinded him, and many others. Thats right - the medical people LET blindness occur rather than admitting to the health benefits of pot!!!

Many other examples exist. Compare to: "all the harm of pot comes from its legal status"... including the paranoia feeling from toking - isn't that reasonable Rev, that you don't enjoy the stone of pot due to its legal status, all these years of prohibition?

We won't know about all of the health benefits of pot until we get out from under the pharmaceutical company's rule over "modern medicine". They own the medical schools and fund all programs along with government help, but govt does not interfere with cirriculum. They run the licencing boards, and if you have ideas about changing things, your licence will be ripped up on the spot. Their drug reps will visit your medical clinics and make sure you are following protocols, for which you will be richly rewarded.

And pharmacy were the ones who first supported the prohibition of marijuana, way back in the 1920s. The pharmacy funded the womens sufferage movement, and pigtailed prohibition on the backs of those ladies' concerns for womens rights like voting. Its all very tricky, and its all very wrong to continue marijuan prohibition.

Underlying the trade and military disputes are the rights of Canadians to access medicines as they see fit. The pharmaceutical industry is at the centre of so much evil, with connections to the American military [their biggest customer]. They are cross-invested with the fossil fuels industry and the weapons makers. And that is all wrapped up in Christian fundamentalists, the same types as the women of the sufferage movement who outlawed pot.

Can we start to see the truth here?? Gay rights, trade issues, pot as medicine VS the spreading of freedom??? Such hypocracy must be defeated. We will win, and we will do it peacefully despite the best efforts of America to make it about "military might means defining of rights".

This is what we are up against when we demand pot as medicine... and so a federal politician in favour of outing the farce of prohibition is a bid deal A very big deal.

Karlin





 
tibear
#35
Karlin,

How about removing the THC component from marijuana and seeing what the medicinal benefits are???
 
Reverend Blair
#36
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There are so many health benefits to marijuana. They are not well known because the pharmaceutical industry would lose half their business to pot.
I don't know for sure that toking will take the smoking harms away, nobody does because nobody looked into it yet, scientifically.

Did you read the recent Walrus article on pharmaceuticals and marijuana, Karlin? If not, I suggest that you do. If they had their way, they'd have you arrested for even typing what you just did.

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How about removing the THC component from marijuana and seeing what the medicinal benefits are???

First of all THC is just one of the many cannabinoids in marijuana, Tibear. Second of all, it has beneficial effects as well.

Why are you so afraid that somebody might get high, anyway?
 
tibear
#37
First because it destroys brain cells and many people can't afford to lose the ones they have because they don't appear to have too many to begin with.

Secondly, the same reason why we don't want people getting drunk.

However, many people drink without the express purpose of getting drunk, but most drug users use drugs for the sole purpose of getting high. People losing perspective on reality isn't a good thing, they tend to hurt themselves or others.
 
Reverend Blair
#38
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First because it destroys brain cells and many people can't afford to lose the ones they have because they don't appear to have too many to begin with.

Actually marijuana has little long-term effect on brain cells.

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Secondly, the same reason why we don't want people getting drunk.

Who is this "we" and why are they afraid of people having a bit of fun?

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People losing perspective on reality isn't a good thing, they tend to hurt themselves or others.

People have been getting high for as long as there have been people, tibear.
 
tibear
#39
RB,

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People losing perspective on reality isn't a good thing, they tend to hurt themselves or others.


People have been getting high for as long as there have been people, tibear.

Yes and there has been many other activities that have been going on for a long time. Should this be the criteria for making things legal???

Losing control of one self and making a fool of yourself isn't my idea of fun, but to each his own.
 
Reverend Blair
#40
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Should this be the criteria for making things legal???

Should it the basis for expensive prohibitions that are so counter-productive they end up exacerbating the problem in the end?
 
Twila
#41
I think that in order to make an informed decision about a pot high, one has to have at least experienced it.
 
Reverend Blair
#42
More than once too, Twila.
 
Twila
#43
Are you saying it should be experienced more then once or are you saying you've experienced it more then once?
 
Reverend Blair
#44
Both. It should be, so I did.
 
tibear
#45
Twila, RB:

That's a very strange perspective. Before I can have a right to speak against marijuana, I have to experience a high. Should this criteria be used in every situation???

Should we speak out against prostitution if we've never used a prostitute?? How about child pornography?? etc??

There are things which we simply know are wrong without having to experience them.
 
Reverend Blair
#46
It's because you suffer from reefer madness syndrome, tibear. You have no idea what marijuana actually does so you attribute all kinds of things to it that aren't true.
 
tibear
#47
RB,

I've seen many people who are high on various drugs doing stupid and dangerous things that they would never do if they weren't under the influence.

I can honestly say that this is something that I have never and would never consider a "good" thing.

All one needs to see is the effects and behaviour of another to see the dangers.

Then when you put in the family issues that arise and crime statistics that surround the drug industry. i.e. break&enters, mugging, bank robbing, etc the evidence is pretty overwhelming that these drugs are harmful to society.
 
missile
Conservative
#48
Nearly all my stupid,inappropriate,and illegal actions were as a result of my once severe alcohol intake,while smoking a few joints just mellowed me out. My big problem with the stuff was that it led to snacking binges..
 
Reverend Blair
#49
Yup...read what Missile just wrote, tibear. You'll hear that again and again.

Also, all the examples you gave are things people do to buy addictive drugs (not marijuana) and have more to do with the inflated prices of those drugs due to their prohibition than the drugs themselves.

We've been trying your way for close to a century, tibear. Things have gotten worse. Quit trying to legislate your puritanical moral code on the rest of us.
 
tibear
#50
Missile,

That's right, let's disregard all of the known problems with the drug industry and instead concentrate on the possibility that maybe some of the alocoholics may not have as many problems with other drugs as they do with alcohol.

The problem with alcoholics, generally speaking, is that they are addicts. It just so happens their drug of choice is alcohol. If they move to another drug, in all likelihood, they will also abuse that drug.

The difference between alcohol and as marijuana is that with alcohol only the consumer is being hurt while the marijuana has the second-hand smoke concerns. All of the other issues that alcohol has are shared by marijuana, including, driving under the influence, distance from family members, stealing to get their drugs, etc.
 
missile
Conservative
#51
All I can go by is my own experiences. I doubt that anything I write will change your viewpoint. Just my opinion here,but I'd be for a ban on all hard liquors..beer and wine are soft drinks to this exdrinker! Marijuana is also just a soft drug-and that's why I am pro use. I have to admit that I haven't used any for 10 years,and 20 since i took the pledge.
 
tibear
#52
Missile,

As you can probably guess, I've never experimented with any drugs.
But from what I understand the marijuana that is available today is alot more potent than the stuff you had 10 years ago. For all intensive purposes we are talking about two different drugs.
 
Reverend Blair
#53
Not really, tibear. It's a little stronger, but not really much different than the sensimilia we used to search out when pot still had names.

Marijuana has never been shown to be physically addictive in a reliable, peer-reviewed study.

Give this a shot, Tibear. Go buy yourself a bag of dope. Go to the video store and rent Reefer Madness. Smoke the dope, watch the movie. You'll like it, it's fun. You'll also learn where your attitudes come from...the lies you've been told and are now (hopefully unknowingly) perpetuating.
 
tibear
#54
RB,

Sorry not going to happen.

As for the physically addictive, that is certainly up for debate but there is not only physical addiction but emotional addictions. I think alot of the 'pot heads' have this emotional addiction, in that they have problems in their lives and found that marijuana provided a way to 'get away from things'. Pretty soon, they were running away from everything.

One of the problems with marijuana is that it is a cheap drug and so is the drug of choice for teenagers. How many teenagers do you know that don't think they have problems?? Either with their parents, school, work, their looks, boy/girl friend, etc. They try the marijuana and find that it gives them a break from their perceived problems and some of them simply continue to use marijuana because they don't want to face reality, they see the real world as too hard.

Another major problem with teenage use is that once they try marijuana some of them completely fall apart in their school work and it ruins their lives, not just now but forever. My wife works in a high school, she doesn't have enough fingers and toes to count the number of 'A' students that have dropped to 'D' or 'F''s and it is found out that these kids are now doing drugs.

BTW, could you please expand on the 'lies' that i've been spreading with regards to drug use??
 
Twila
#55
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The difference between alcohol and as marijuana is that with alcohol only the consumer is being hurt while the marijuana has the second-hand smoke concerns.

Which is why you should only ever smoke pot in an enclosed room.....
Off Topic here but:
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For all intensive purposes

It's actually for all intense AND purposes. Sorry. totally off topic and completely a non issue......

Not one arguement has been made against marijuana that can't be said for alcohol. To each his/her own......

I have yet to hear about someone robbing a bank to get a nother fix of pot. I have never seen orheard about anyone shooting or killing someone to get another fix of pot.

The people that become addicted to reality altering substances (be they drink or drug) are addicted not to the substance but to the effect. Which means that they have emotional issues to deal with. It's not the pot,,,its not the alcohol.....it's not anyting to do with substance abuse....it's all about issues they aren't dealing with...... Ask any pyschiatrist.
 
Reverend Blair
#56
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As for the physically addictive, that is certainly up for debate

It's not up for debate. We are talking about peer-reviewed scientific studies. There hasn't been one that has found marijuana to be physically addictive.
 
tibear
#57
Twila,

Here is but one story that states quite clearly that most bank robberies are a result of drug users trying to get money for their habit: http://www.thelantern.com/news/2003/...s-390609.shtml

Your right that alcohol has just as many problems related to it as illegal drugs. Here we have a legal drug that a portion of the population have trouble dealing with.

What I'm hearing is that the solution is to make other drugs that have the exact same issues available to these people. How can possibly help??? By making these other drugs more accessible we're going to have more problems then ever before.

Its a known fact that one of the main problems the natives had was when the European's introduced alcohol to them. It completely destroyed their culture. Yet, it seems that everyone here is advocating doing the same thing to our society now but making other drugs readily accessible to people.
 
tibear
#58
RB,

Here is a site that reportedly says that there are some addictive properties:http://www.drug-rehabilitation.com/m....htm#addictive
 
Reverend Blair
#59
That isn't a peer-reviewed scientific study. It's an advertisement for a treatment centre.

You are also still trying to compare marijuana to drugs like heroin and cocaine. The only similarities are that all are illegal.
 
tibear
#60
RB,

Aren't others here comparing marijuana to alcohol???

I think the comparisons are more for the mind-altering effects of the drugs. In the end, isn't that what we're talking about??
 

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