Stop our dependency on China!!!


Twin_Moose
+1
#31
Australia barley exports: Beijing targets Canberra after calls for a coronavirus investigation

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It didn't take long after Australia's first calls for an international investigation into the origins of the coronavirus pandemic before rumblings of retaliation came from Beijing.
Australian Foreign Minister Marise Payne initially voiced support for an investigation on a Sunday morning television show in late April.
Days later, China's ambassador to Australia Chen Jingye responded by suggesting the Chinese people themselves might retaliate with a boycott. "Maybe the ordinary (Chinese) people will say 'Why should we drink Australian wine? Eat Australian beef?'" he told the Australian Financial Review.
Less than one month later, the campaign to punish Australia appears to be in full swing.
On May 12, China stopped accepting beef from four large Australian abattoirs, citing health issues. Five days later, China slapped tariffs of more than 80% on Australian barley imports as part of an anti-dumping probe.
China is Australia's largest trading partner by far, with total trade between the two countries totaling more than $214 billion in 2018 alone. As Australia faces the very real prospect of a coronavirus-related recession, that economic relationship is more important than ever.
With ministerial ties fraying and anti-Australian rhetoric rising in Chinese state media, experts say deep cracks are emerging in relations between the two countries.
"It's very hard to see how in the absence of any discussion we can quickly rebuild trust in the relationship," said Richard McGregor, senior fellow at the Lowy Institute.
Globally, experts say Australia is seen as a test case — can a liberal democracy with close trade ties to the authoritarian regime in Beijing still maintain an independent foreign policy, which will at times be critical of the Chinese Communist Party?

Deep chill

For decades, Canberra has been caught between a rising China, bringing vast economic wealth to Australia, and its own long-standing security ties with the United States.
The vast majority of Australia's exports to China are raw materials such as iron ore, coal, gold and wool, to feed the country's rapid economic growth, while it imports large amounts of consumer goods and technical components.
Relations between the two sides began to sour in 2017 when Australia introduced sweeping new security legislation designed to crackdown on foreign interference in domestic politics.
Beijing believed the laws were targeted squarely at them and put Australia into a diplomatic deep freeze.
It was in this chilly environment that Payne, Australia's foreign minister, first called for an investigation into the origins of the coronavirus pandemic on April 19. Soon after, Prime Minister Scott Morrison became the first international leader outside of the United States to call for a formal investigation.
"It would seem entirely reasonable and sensible that the world would want to have an independent assessment of how this all occurred," Morrison said at a press conference on April 29.
The topic of how the coronavirus began has become increasingly politicized in recent months as Washington and Beijing both try to use it to distract from domestic economic problems.
The calls for an investigation escalated the feud between China and Australia. Ambassador Cheng was summoned by the Australian government and accused of "economic coercion" over his comments on wine and beef exports.
When a reporter from an Australian newspaper said at a press briefing in Beijing on April 28 that he had "never heard" remarks as severe as Cheng's from people in Beijing, foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang replied, "Do you want to hear some now?"
Similar comments could be easily found on the Chinese internet, Geng said.
Following the decisions on Australian beef and barley, trade minister Simon Birmingham said on May 13 that Chinese officials had been adamant the restrictions had nothing to do with Australia's calls for an independent investigation.
"We've been very clear, we're not about to change our policy positions under any threats, suggestion, or otherwise of economic coercion," he told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. Birmingham and agriculture minister David Littleproud both confirmed that calls to their Chinese counterparts hadn't been returned.
Experts said the decisions by Beijing were almost certainly retaliation. China expert McGregor said it was likely that Beijing wanted to use Australia to send a message to the world.
"When China wants to punish a country they do it in public so that country and its population clearly knows there's a price for crossing China," he said.

"America's deputy sheriff"

While relations between Canberra and Beijing deteriorate, debate is growing inside Australia over whether the country needs to push back harder against the Chinese government.
In late April, Andrew Hastie, a backbencher in the ruling Liberal National Coalition government, posted a petition to his website calling for the government to "take action on Australian sovereignty."
"The coronavirus pandemic has exposed the true cost of relying too heavily on an authoritarian regime like China for our economic security and prosperity," said the petition. Hastie is also the Chair of Australia's Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security.
But former Australian Foreign Minister Bob Carr said that Canberra was risking economic ties with Beijing in what appeared to be an attempt to solidify its security relationship with Washington. "We've just positioned ourselves out in front of any US ally in appearing to conduct an adversarial policy towards China," said Carr.
He said there was a push from within Australia to act as "America's deputy sheriff," in the mistaken belief that tighter US ties would protect the country from aggressive moves by Beijing.
"There is a mad view taking hold in Canberra that if China inflicts pain on us, our job is to dutifully bear it and to present ourselves as self-sacrificing allies of the US, doing our master's bidding," Carr added.
The hits to Australia's agricultural exports come as the Chinese government is attempting to find billions of dollars in new imports from the United States as part of a phase one deal that followed a truce in the US-China trade war.
"It's very, very likely that American exporters who farm produce will fill the gap that the exclusion of Australian farmers is going to cause," Carr said.

Tipping point

There are still many areas of trade with China that remain unaffected by the tensions, including the multibillion-dollar iron ore trade, which is desperately needed by Beijing for its ambitious infrastructure program.
But already there are signs that there could be more pain to come. Despite China agreeing to a coronavirus investigation on Monday at the World Health Assembly, relations with Australia have not improved.
In an article Wednesday, Bloomberg quoted sources saying that Chinese officials had drawn up a list of potential future targets for retaliation, including Australian seafood, oatmeal and fruit.
Carr called for greater diplomacy between Australia and China to help rebuild the damaged relationship, but another former Australian foreign minister said it was important for Canberra to make a stand on this issue.
Speaking to Australia's Radio National Tuesday, former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer said China's move against Australian barley appeared to be "punishment" for the country's move to push for an international inquiry.
"My whole experience with China is that they will attempt to bully you as hard as they can ... I'm sorry about the barley farmers but at least we haven't caved in and been bullied by them and we've got the investigation that we wanted," he said.
Whatever Canberra's decision, China expert McGregor said that Beijing needs to be careful about how far it pushes Australia, especially at a time when countries in Europe and Asia are rethinking just how close they want to be to China.
"If they see China punishing a democracy simply for making an unremarkable point about the need for an inquiry into what happened with the virus, then that will make many of them wonder about how they should manage relations with China as well," he said.

 
petros
+2
#32
It looks like the world has two options. Full out thumping with heavy tariffs and sanctions or subversion creating a Chinese civil war.
 
spilledthebeer
#33
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

It looks like the world has two options. Full out thumping with heavy tariffs and sanctions or subversion creating a Chinese civil war.




On the PLUS SIDE - the stresses generated by a sudden drop in Chinese standard of living as a result of Beijing Butchers


PISSING OFF THE PLANET might promote a civil war!


sadly though Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals are WORKING VERY HARD to promote GREATER COOPERATION



between LIE-beral Ottawa and the Beijing Butchers!


And it seems UNLIKELY we will have any real chance to DUMP the idiot Boy until spring 2021!


In related news:::



Here is an article illustrating the madness of Our idiot Boy Justin for chasing a costly and useless temporary seat on the United Nations Security Council! With some comments of my own in brackets):

Trudeau's best case for pursuing a UN Security Council seat doesn't hold water

By Chris Selley National Post May 22, 2020

On Tuesday, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau made one of his clearer attempts to explain his mostly baffling obsession with winning a temporary seat on the UN Security Council. Basically, he told reporters, the time after COVID-19 will be a lot like the time after the Second World War. It will require multilateral action along the lines of what happened at the 1944 Bretton Woods Conference in New Hampshire, where the Allied countries gathered and — among other things — birthed the International Monetary Fund and what would eventually become the World Bank.

(IN other words - Our idiot Boy is looking at the coming economic chaos and soaring inflation that will be generated as we hit the DEBT WALL that was already looming before us PRIOR to the costly Wuhan Pandemic - as AN OPPORTUNITY to grab extra powers - in exactly the way any slippery third world aspiring dictator would do!)

(LIE-berals sense that their time is passing - as debt mounts and LIE-beral shameless vote buying fades from lack of gravy and thus friction is building rapidly between ordinary tax payers who are resisting the greed and oppression of muddled Socialist LIE-berals and their assorted allies of the civil service union HOGS along with assorted other radical special interest and lobbying groups who believe others should give them a FREE RIDE in life!)

(The LIE-beral concept of “social justice” has all the style and grace and sense of entitlement of a French aristocrat right before the Revolution!)

“Canada’s voice is going to be really important, as it was around the forming of the Bretton Woods institutions, … as we create a better, more prosperous, fairer world for everyone,” Trudeau averred. “And Canada having a voice at the UN Security Council will allow us to continue to be at the heart of those discussions as we move forward as a planet.”

(And what would prevent Our idiot Boy from sending a powerfully worded e-mail to multiple world leaders in order to sell his values and philosophy? Other than the fact that MOST western leaders don’t want the crap Our idiot Boy is selling! And of course - sending e-mails or making phone calls DOES NOT provide the sort of photo ops Our idiot Boy desires! Clearly Our idiot Boy is thinking about personal promotion rather than international benefits!)

I suspect the time after COVID-19 won’t look anything like the time after the Second World War, but in the moment it’s at least semi-plausible: If you want to have your voice heard at the UN while epochal things are going on, it probably can’t hurt to be a member of a small committee whose permanent members are the most powerful nations in the world.

(True! But WW2 was fought to remove the power of dictators and Fascists and to restore democracy and personal freedom! Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals are working OPPOSITE to the WW2 results! Our idiot Boy is working hard to create social and political ELITES with extraordinary entitlements and privileges! The LIE-beral privileged Elite will be IMMUNE to financial hardships because of their place aboard the LIE-beral sponsored gravy train!)

(The privileged gravy train riding HOGS will be expected to repay the LIE-berals with slavish devotion and support in ALL manner of media forums and to get out the VOTE in vast numbers to assist LIE-berals in BUYING elections!)

(HOGS and LIE-berals want us to FORGET their GROSS CONFLICT OF INTEREST in which HOGS get grand pay raises and solid gold pensions and nice holidays in exchange for selling their votes to LIE-berals! If a corporate CEO offered HIS employees a pay raise in exchange for every vote cast for a Conservative candidate then LIE-berals would SCREAM about illegal bribery! But such is LIE-beral morality that bribery by LIE-berals IS PUBLIC DUTY!)

Liberals' push for UN security council seat kicks into high gear as envoy heads to New York
Canada keeps up costly campaign for UN Security Council seat amid COVID-19 crisis
Trudeau says UN Security Council seat would up Canada's global game

(Our idiot Boy wants to do his part to spread LIE-beral values across the entire planet in the same way that Soviet Socialists want Communism to be universally accepted so that populations can be MORE EASILY BRAIN WASHED!)

But why should Canada have that voice and not Ireland or Norway, our rivals for the temporary seat at next month’s vote?

“We are doing well managing the economy in the COVID era while keeping to the principles and values that we hold dear,” said Trudeau.

(Considering the immense array of resources Canada possesses- if were not doing fairly well - it SHOULD cause a Revolution! And the fact that Our idiot Boy relentlessly promoted our allegedly booming economy between 2015 and 2019 and yet he ended up with a Minority govt says CLEARLY just how many Cdns - who ARE NOT permitted onto the govt gravy train - think he is full of SH+T - not just about the economy but in various other legal areas as well!)

There are times when the prime minister opens his mouth and I genuinely wonder how he doesn’t burst into flame. This was one of those times.

Which principles and values exactly?

Not our international obligations to asylum-seekers, certainly. Until very recently the Liberals would shift into maximum dudgeon at the very suggestion that tens of thousands of people crossing the border “irregularly” — let no one say “illegally”! — at Roxham Road constituted any sort of problem.

(That is a PROBLEM now as LIE-berals are getting asked hard questions about how we will support a growing collection of people who require major govt aid in order to obtain the most basic of necessities! LIE-berals cannot explain how we benefit from collecting totally unskilled people who lack any ability to succeed in the now badly damaged job market!)

“FACT: Providing asylum claimants due process is not a choice. It is the law,” then Immigration Minister Ahmed Hussen tweeted in July 2018. Trudeau was dispatched to Queen’s Park to educate Premier Doug Ford, who wasn’t being welcoming enough. “It didn’t seem to me that the premier was quite as aware of our international obligations to the UN convention on refugees, as he might have been,” Trudeau faux-lamented. “So I spent a little time explaining.”

(Too bad the idiot Boy did NOT explain the part about him breaking the United Nations Rules by pretending those illegals were NOT required to make their refugee claims in United States - as it was the first safe country they entered! Thus the illegals were being encouraged by shameless vote buying LIE-berals to shop around for the best illegal immigration DEALS and that means LIE-beral Canada!)

And then in March, it all got chucked into the incinerator. Try to cross the border illegally — we can say it now! — and you’ll get turned back into American custody.

(LIE-berals have figured out that public patience is GONE! Our homeless shelters and welfare system cannot handle more illegals! And with cities suffering form lost revenue due to Wuhan Virus - there is NO WAY to squeeze in more LIE-beral friendly voting illegals! LIE-berals have run out of gravy!)

So, what else? A country seeking a prominent role in creating a better, more prosperous, fairer world for everyone would presumably have a pretty good record on foreign aid spending. Canada’s is abysmal: Our contributions bottomed out at 0.26 per cent of gross national income in 2016. In both 2018 and 2019 they stood at 0.28 per cent. Our UNSC rival Norway is in another league entirely: Last year the country’s Agency for Development Cooperation semi-apologized for having failed to spend the target 1 per cent of GNI the year before.

(So Norway is spending nearly four times more on foreign aid than we are! IN addition Norway HAS NOT pissed off its allies by GUTTING its military and by handcuffing its police as Canada did - so that the country could become the money laundering and organized crime capital of the WORLD! Norway has not spewed crap about liking the “Basic Chinese Democracy” that exposed the Soviet Socialist values of Our idiot Boy! Norway has NOT insulted its allies by sucking up to the Beijing Butchers while insulting the Western World!)

A country seeking such a prominent role would probably have a solid record on peacekeeping — especially if that country was Canada under a Liberal government.

Nope! This week, some bright spark at Canadian Press noticed that Canada currently has fewer peacekeeping personnel in the field than at any point in the past 60 years: 35 men and women. Our UNSC rival Ireland has 474 peacekeepers deployed — more than 100 times as many per capita. Even at the height of the Liberals’ much-ballyhooed re-commitment to peacekeeping, Canada only had 150 or so people on the ground in Mali. They’re almost all gone now.

As for COVID-19, how exactly are we leading the world? To mitigate the economic crisis we’re essentially cutting millions of cheques and hoping for the best. That’s not to impugn the approach — it’s what most Western countries are doing — but it’s hardly innovative, hardly rocket science. We certainly have no lessons to teach the world on pandemic management per se: Far too often it has been a mad scramble. Statistically, our outcomes are middle of the pack.

(Canada was the most deeply indebted western nation prior to Wuhan Virus - now our debts are reaching PANIC LEVELS - while LIE-berals seek ways to KEEP ON CUTTING CHEQUES FOREVER - with no end to the debt!)

All of that is to say that Justin Trudeau’s best case for spending so much energy in pursuit of this Security Council seat doesn’t hold water: It’s just a case instead of no case, something instead of the nothing we’re used to. Even with a seat on the Security Council, a country that wanted to play a big role in changing the world would have to spend vastly more than Canada does on foreign aid, the military, or both, and a country willing to do so wouldn’t need a seat on the Security Council to change the world. So, maybe there’s the rub: Canada being demonstrably unwilling to do those things, under Conservative and Liberal governments alike, perhaps our leaders’ thirst for a UN Security Council seat makes perfect sense — as an unearned symbol of self-styled virtue.

(That is unearned LIE-beral virtue Selley speaks of! Harper Conservatives got MUCH WORLD RESPECT courtesy of the performance of the Cdn battle group in Afghanistan! They did a dirty job with professional skill! All that effort has now been WASTED by LIE-berals throwing mud at Washington while sucking up to Beijing Butchers - who now have massive image problems of their own due to the bullying of citizens within China and the harassment of international neighbours!)

(Our idiot Boy is now in the process of PRETENDING to DISTANCE himself from Beijing Butchers - too bad NOBODY is being fooled!)
 
Twin_Moose
+2
#34
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

It looks like the world has two options. Full out thumping with heavy tariffs and sanctions or subversion creating a Chinese civil war.

Ask and Ye shall receive

Trump says U.S. to withdraw from World Health Organization and announces new broadsides against Beijing

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President Trump on Friday leveled an extraordinary broadside at the Chinese government, accusing it of a comprehensive “pattern of misconduct” and ordered U.S. officials to begin the process of revoking Hong Kong’s special status under U.S. law.
The U.S. as a result will no longer treat Hong Kong and China as separate entities for the purposes of extradition, customs, trade and visa issues, he said.
In Rose Garden remarks, Trump also attacked the World Health Organization, which he said was effectively controlled by Beijing.
“We will today be terminating our relationship” with the WHO, the president said, adding that the organization’s more than $400 million annual U.S. contribution would be diverted to other health groups.
The president said he would issue a proclamation to protect sensitive American university research from Chinese spying and bar some Chinese nationals from entering the U.S. He also directed an administration working group to evaluate Chinese corporations that are listed on U.S. financial markets as a potential target of additional restrictions.
The moves seemed certain to intensify growing U.S.-China tensions and risked unsettling financial markets that are still trying to regain their footing during the coronavirus pandemic.
Trump’s fury at China has escalated in recent weeks, as he has blamed Chinese officials for not doing more to contain the outbreak and warn the outside world of the danger. On Friday morning he tweeted simply “CHINA!” ……..More

 
petros
+2
#35
The Globalist are going to assassinate Trump yet.
 
Twin_Moose
+2
#36
By Forcing Control On Hong Kong, Beijing Killed The Golden Goose

Quote:

President Donald Trump announced Friday that he has directed his administration to "begin the process of eliminating policy exemptions that give Hong Kong different and special treatment." His announcement came a day after China's People's Congress passed Beijing's controversial new national security law related to Hong Kong. Trump's announcement will profoundly affect the future of Hong Kong and the U.S.-China relationship.
The president's decision was based on Secretary of State Mike Pompeo's certification to Congress Wednesday that "Hong Kong is no longer autonomous from China," a decision he said gave him no pleasure but that "sound policy-making requires a recognition of reality."
The facts on the ground support Pompeo's assessment. Without universal suffrage, Hong Kongers are stuck with a government made up of pro-Beijing business elites who are beholden to the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), rather than accountable to 7.5 million residents of the city. Under the assertive CCP Party Secretary Xi Jinping, Hong Kongers have seen accelerated erosion of their political freedom for years.
Nine leaders of the 2014 Umbrella movement, which demanded universal suffrage in Hong Kong, were sentenced to prison. Four pro-democracy legislators were disqualified for modifying their oaths of allegiance to China during their swearing-in ceremony. Hong Kong authorities refused to issue visas to several human rights activists and foreign journalists. Beijing even sent mainland Chinese police to Hong Kong to arrest booksellers and a Chinese tycoon, bypassing Hong Kong’s own judicial system...……..More

 
NZDoug
#37
The U.S. should allow all thoseChinese protestors entry into America and look after them.
They could have freedom and democracy and it would be MAGA !
 
spilledthebeer
#38
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

The Globalist are going to assassinate Trump yet.






Oh Petros! YOU ARE RATHER CONFUSED!


That word "Globalist" DOES NOT MEAN WHAT YOU THINK IT MEANS!


In the Beijing Butcher lexicon - a "Globalist" is a person who admires the Beijing Butcher pursuit



OF LIEBENSRAUM AT THE EXPENSE OF THE REST OF THE PLANET - just like Adolf Hitler seeking ENTITLEMENTS



for the German Volk!


Trump has opposed the Beijing Butchers and has ENRAGED them by SLIGHTLY limiting their greed and bullying!



And Nazi Socialists and Soviet Socialists are traditional DEADLY ENEMIES!



Yet THEY BOTH EMPLOY THE SAME VICIOUS METHODS!


But I do think that the risks are too high for anybody sponsored by any govt to shoot Trump!


As an Al Qaida top man mused one upon a time - we did think about using a nuclear option - meaning a dirty BOMB



instead of the 9/11 aircraft - but we were afraid things would fly OUT OF CONTROL!


Calling Trump RUDE NAMES in public is one thing - but KILLING the Yankee President is quite another!
 
Twin_Moose
#39
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

The U.S. should allow all thoseChinese protestors entry into America and look after them.
They could have freedom and democracy and it would be MAGA !

UK is working on it
 
Twin_Moose
+1
#40
Deflection begins in the WHO and kinda aligning with Trump's message while trying to say it wasn't us who failed.

China delayed releasing coronavirus info, frustrating WHO

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Throughout January, the World Health Organization publicly praised China for what it called a speedy response to the new coronavirus and thanked the Chinese government for sharing the genetic map of the virus “immediately,."

But in fact, Chinese officials sat on releasing the genetic map, or genome, of the deadly virus for over a week after multiple government labs had fully decoded it, not sharing details key to designing tests, drugs and vaccines. Strict controls on information and competition within the Chinese public health system were largely to blame, The Associated Press has found from internal documents, emails and dozens of interviews.
Health officials only released the genome after a Chinese lab published it ahead of authorities on a virology website on Jan 11. Even then, China stalled for at least two weeks more on giving WHO the details it needed, according to recordings of multiple internal meetings held by the U.N. health agency in January — all at a time when the outbreak arguably might have been dramatically slowed.

Although WHO continued to publicly commend China, the recordings obtained by the AP show they were concerned China was not sharing enough information to assess the risk posed by the new virus, costing the world valuable time.
“We’re currently at the stage where yes, they’re giving it to us 15 minutes before it appears on CCTV,” said WHO’s top official in China, Dr. Gauden Galea, referring to the state-owned China Central Television, in one meeting.
The story behind the early response to the pandemic comes at a time when the U.N. health agency is under siege. U.S. President Trump cut ties with WHO on Friday, after blasting the agency for allegedly colluding with China to hide the extent of the epidemic. Chinese President Xi Jinping said China has always provided information to WHO and the world “in a most timely fashion.”
The new information does not support the narrative of either the U.S. or China, but portrays an agency now stuck in the middle that was urgently trying to solicit more data. Although international law obliges countries to report information to WHO that could have an impact on public health, the U.N. agency has no enforcement powers. Instead, it must rely on the cooperation of member states.
The AP has found rather than colluding with China, WHO was itself largely kept in the dark, as China gave it only the minimal information required. But the agency did attempt to portray China in the best light, most likely to coax the country into providing more outbreak details.
WHO officials worried about how to press China for more information without angering authorities or jeopardizing Chinese scientists, whom they praised for decoding the genome with astonishing speed. Dr. Michael Ryan, WHO’s emergencies chief, said the best way to “protect China” was for WHO to do its own independent analysis, because otherwise the spread of the virus between people would be in question and “other countries will take action accordingly.”
From the time the virus was first decoded on Jan. 2 to when WHO declared a global emergency on Jan. 30, the outbreak grew by a factor of 100 to 200 times, according to retrospective Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention data.
WHO and officials named in this story declined to answer questions asked by the AP without audio or written transcripts of the recorded meetings, which the AP was unable to supply to protect its sources.
“Our leadership and staff have worked night and day….to support and share information with all Member States equally, and engage in frank and forthright conversations with governments at all levels,” a WHO statement said...…….More

They also back dated their pandemic claim, CYA in overtime

World Health Organization Declares COVID-19 a 'Pandemic.' Here's What That Means

Quote:

2020-03-11 · T he World Health Organization (WHO) on March 11 declared COVID-19 a pandemic, pointing to the over 118,000 cases of the coronavirus illness in …

 
Avro52
#41
It’s odd how you interpret articles.
 
spilledthebeer
#42
Quote: Originally Posted by Avro52 View Post

It’s odd how you interpret articles.




AVRO THINKS OTHERS ARE ODD!


This proof that Avro does NOT own a mirror!



Or much of an intellect!


As for our DEPENDENCE ON CHINA - Consider::


Here is an article illustrating the utter hypocrisy of all LIE-beral values! With some comments of my own in brackets):

Champagne says Meng ruling shows independence of Canada's extradition process

By John Paul Tasker. From CBC News. Published May 27, 2020

Minister of Foreign Affairs Francois-Philippe Champagne speaks to reporters in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia on Sunday, Feb. 9, 2020. Foreign Affairs Minister François-Philippe Champagne said today that the B.C. Supreme Court's ruling in the case against Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou demonstrates the independence of Canada's extradition process.

(Champagne offers a LUDICROUS EXCUSE for LIE-beral handling of the Meng affair! Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals apparently HAD TO BE PRODDED by Washington to arrest Meng as a result of long standing political and military agreements we have with Yankees!)

(Our idiot Boy is indifferent to the “NATO SLACKER” label hung on him by Trump - in spite of it being JUSTIFIED! But Our idiot Boy had been spending so WILDLY - $32 billon dollar deficit in his first year in office plus a planned series of $20 billion dollar deficits until the year 2050 or he gets thrown out of office for miss-managing our govt spending so BADLY!)

(Our idiot Boy has BIG PLANS for buying votes and getting hit with MORE Yankee Tariffs was NOT part of the Plan! And Our idiot Boy had ben STUNG by the Beijing MOCKERY when they told him that “gender and local native issues DO NOT have a place in a trade agreement”! Trudope was thus rebuffed by the Beijing Butchers as he sought to suck up to them while snubbing Yankees!)

(So in what appears to be an attempt to mollify Washington - who regards LIE-beral immigration policy and WEAK LIE-beral law enforcement efforts as a danger to Yankees - Trudope was persuaded by public opinion to ARREST Meng!
How sad that Our idiot Boy did not expect such a STRONG Beijing Butcher response!)

(Within a short time - Beijing had banned imports of Cdn Cannola and of Pork as well - and this action MAY HAVE been the catalyst that released Wuhan Virus on the world - as Chinese turned back to traditional bush meat such as Fruit Bats KNOWN to carry Wuhan Virus - and the diners absorbed the Virus along with their Bat Meal!)

(WE should realize that Trudope is caught between a rock and a hard place - he desperately believes it is in HIS best imterest to suck up to China and he believes that few Cdns really want to defend either Trump or Washington generally! So the idiot BOY is stuck - he CANNOT find an excuse to release Meng and dares not simply ship her off to Washington for trial and probable punishment!)

(Even worse - the international crisis posed by Wuhan Virus and the propaganda SH+T STORM Beijing Butchers are brewing in order to avoid condemnation have put Our idiot Boy in an unexpected and UNPLEASANT SPOT! Even worse - Beijing has decided it has nothing more to lose by repressing the frustrated and angry population of Hong Kong - thus forcing Trudope to decide who he will stand with - knowing that his PREFERRED Beijing Butcher choice will COST HIM DEARLY in the future!)

"The Canadian judiciary operates independently and today's decision on double criminality in Meng Wanzhou's extradition process was an independent decision," Champagne said.

(Oh certainly - and no doubt this INITIAL court decision was carefully crafted in some back room some place with the INTENTION of making it LOOK as if cdns were coming to some actual CHOICE regarding Men`s fate! But the PROOF is in the fact Meng is STILL LOUNGING in her B.C. Mansion - she has NOT been shipped off to Washington to answer for the crimes the Cdn court says she is probably guilty of!)

(So now as Trudope sits firmly on the fence - with a picket lodged in his backside
so no fear of slipping off into a decision - he endures the taunts and mockery of his suddenly FORMER Beijing Butcher pals!)

"This decision is but one component in a multi-step legal process. The Government of Canada will continue to be transparent about the extradition process for Ms. Meng."

(LIE-berals are basically STALLING in hope that Trump will be defeated in November and that the new Yankee govt will not care about Meng - letting Our idiot Boy off the hook!)

Despite a ruling that is sure to anger Communist leaders in Beijing — Meng's father, the founder of tech company Huawei, has close ties to the regime — Champagne said Canada will "continue to pursue principled engagement with China to address our bilateral differences and to cooperate in areas of mutual interest."

(“Cooperate in areas of mutual interest” is LIE-beral speak meaning Cdn LIE-berals want to SUCK UP to the Beijing Butchers that the ENTIRE TRUDOPE CLAN so very much admires! After all Our idiot Boy has told us “He likes the basic Chinese democracy! And papa Pierre Trudope publicly PRAISED what he called the “Genius of Chinese Chairman Mao in rushing 30 million Chinese to the gallows” in a DESPICABLE ACT OF MASS MURDER!

Champagne said Canada will continue to press for the release of two imprisoned Canadians, Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor, and clemency for Canadians who are facing the death penalty in China. Kovrig and Spavor were detained by Chinese authorities shortly after Meng's arrest, a move widely seen as an act of retaliation.

'U.S. bullying'

(“U.S. bullying” is a phrase used by Beijing Butchers and Tehran Nuclear Nutbars and North Korean thugs and others to scornfully RIDICULE any western effort to defend ourselves from the dictators ad butchers of the world!)

Global Times, an English-language newspaper with ties to the Chinese Communist Party, offered another interpretation of the ruling today. The publication claimed the decision by Justice Heather Holmes "shows Canada lost judicial, diplomatic independence to U.S. bullying."

(Beijing Butchers would find it MUCH MORE SATISFACTORY TO THEM if we yielded to Being Bullies! Sour grapes to the Butcher Comrades! The recent Chinese history - including the massacre at Tiananmen Square and the repression of Hong Kong dissidents and the ongoing DISGRACE of Chinese Slave Labour camps plus the Chinese abuses of their international neighbours as Beijing grabs up islands in the South China Sea and claims them over the protests of at least five other nations- who all have just claims to lands Bejing is grabbing - all reveal we ARE MUCH BETTER OFF dealing with Washington than Beijing!)

Holmes ruled that the U.S. allegation against Meng — that she engaged in fraud by misrepresenting Huawei's relationship with an Iranian telecommunications company when seeking a loan from the HSBC bank — could also be considered a crime in Canada, and so extradition proceedings against the Huawei executive should proceed.

(LIE-berals have NO RESPECT for our money - but they DO NEED the good will of bankers for deficit financing - hence anybody who lies to bankers becomes a problem for LIE-berals!)

Meng's lawyers argued that she shouldn't be extradited to the U.S. because the criminal charges she faces there don't meet the "double criminality" test — that the alleged violation of U.S. sanctions against Iran has no parallel in Canadian law.

But the judge found that the Iranian sanctions are secondary to the principal criminal allegation — that Meng lied to the bank when trying to procure a loan for her businesses, which could also be considered a criminal act in Canada.

Under Canadian extradition law, an individual may only be extradited to face trial on foreign charges if the underlying conduct would amount to a criminal offence in Canada if it had happened here.

(So LYING TO A BANK does constitute a crime and thus Meng IS GUILTY!)

"A further hearing will take place at a later date to determine whether or not the alleged conduct provides sufficient evidence of the offence of fraud to meet the test for committal under the Extradition Act," the Department of Justice said in a statement.

(Ah - another hearing for Meng - no doubt held AFTER Cdn LIE-berals test the political waters to see what action will be expedient!)

"An independent judge will determine whether that test is met. This speaks to the independence of Canada's extradition process."

(Uh huh- and that judge WILL BE a LIE-beral appointee and thus beholden!)

If that judge decides that Meng should be extradited to the U.S., the final decision to surrender the Chinese executive to the U.S. will fall to Justice Minister David Lametti.

(And Lametti was the LIE-beral who took over from Wilson-Raybould after she REFUSED to bend to LIE-beral pressure to BREAK THE LAW and let Lavalin off the HOOK for those pesky bribery and corruption charges!)

(The “Two Michaels” - Spavour and Kovrig WILL NOT BE RELEASED from their Chinese punishment any time soon! LIE-berals will NOT ACCEPT the political black eyes they are going to get no matter which way they decide about Meng!)
 
spilledthebeer
#43
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

The U.S. should allow all thoseChinese protestors entry into America and look after them.
They could have freedom and democracy and it would be MAGA !




And in return we SEND YOU BACK TO BEIJING!
 
Twin_Moose
+1
#44
China urges citizens to shun Australia as dispute simmers

Quote:

BEIJING (AP) — China is advising its citizens not to visit Australia, citing racial discrimination and violence against Asians, in what appears to be Beijing’s latest attempt to punish the country for advocating an investigation into the coronavirus pandemic.
A notice issued by the Ministry of Culture and Tourism late Friday said there has “been an increase in words and deeds of racial discrimination and acts of violence against Chinese and Asians in Australia, due to the impact of COVID-19 pandemic.”
“The ministry advises Chinese tourists to raise their safety awareness and avoid travelling to Australia,” the notice said.
As part of its perceived retaliation, China has already effectively ended imports of Australian barley by putting tariffs of more than 80% on the crop, accusing Australia of breaching World Trade Organization rules by subsidizing barley production and selling the crop in China at below production costs. That came a week after China banned beef imports from Australia’s four largest abattoirs over labeling issues...….More

 
spilledthebeer
+1
#45
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

China urges citizens to shun Australia as dispute simmers




I wonder how you say "Seig Heil" in Mandarin or Cantonese?


If we get hit with much more of this Beijing Butcher Bully Boy CRAP


we may just find out!



And aint it ODD that the typical Communist Regime has SO MUCH IN COMMON with Adolf Hitler!
 
NZDoug
#46
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

China urges citizens to shun Australia as dispute simmers

Ya have to remember that China is Au.s biggest trading partner so its not cool for Aussie to join Trumps lynch mob.
China is developing the port of Darwin, as the U.S. Navy is building their naval base in the same spot, along with the U.S. building their long range strike China base at Darwin.
China has had to endure the same old Huawei b.s. in Au. and you wonder why China is getting a bit shirty about keeping Straya alive??
Do the math......
 
Twin_Moose
+2
#47
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

Ya have to remember that China is Au.s biggest trading partner so its not cool for Aussie to join Trumps lynch mob.
China is developing the port of Darwin, as the U.S. Navy is building their naval base in the same spot, along with the U.S. building their long range strike China base at Darwin.
China has had to endure the same old Huawei b.s. in Au. and you wonder why China is getting a bit shirty about keeping Straya alive??
Do the math......

Oh, OK, all countries should bow to their Chinese overlords, because they are here to help you, got it
 
Twin_Moose
#48
Brussels accuses China of peddling disinformation

Quote:

The European Union has long criticized Russia for spreading online misinformation. Now, it's named China as well.

In new plans announced Wednesday aimed at tackling online falsehoods connected to the Covid-19 public health crisis, the European Commission mentions Beijing for the first time as a source of online disinformation linked to the coronavirus aimed at undermining Western democracies, sowing internal divisions and projecting a distorted view of China's response to the global pandemic.
The Commission also blamed Russia for similar tactics, and called on social media companies like Facebook, Google's YouTube and Twitter to publish monthly reports into how they were tackling Covid-19 misinformation. The nonbinding demands on tech giants are part of Brussels' effort to revamp rules for these online platforms that will be published by the end of the year.
"If we have evidence, we should not shy away from naming and shaming," Věra Jourová, the Commission's vice president for values and transparency, told reporters in reference to Beijing's alleged disinformation connected to Covid-19. "We have witnessed a lot of accusations that the coronavirus has been developed in U.S. laboratories, and also the overselling of the support from China in the EU."
Jourová declined to comment on whether EU officials had seen coordinated inauthentic online activity from the Chinese that mimicked Russian activity from the past few years.
Yet since the start of the global public health crisis in early 2020, Beijing has pushed a pro-Chinese narrative aggressively on Western social media platforms according to which Europe and the United States have failed in their response to the coronavirus; that China has weathered the storm better than most; and that the U.S. created the virus as a bioweapon — a debunked claim.
The reach of such claims among Western audiences is limited, according to a POLITICO review of social media activity from Chinese officials and state-backed media outlets. But the recent push onto Western social media — Chinese accounts have also addressed protests against police violence in the U.S. — represents a change of tactics from Beijing. Many Western social media platforms are off limits for people in China.
"There's a growing awareness that something is happening here," said Mareike Ohlberg, a senior fellow at the German Marshall Fund of the United States, a think tank. "During the Covid-19 crisis, we have seen a lot more aggressive types of communication from Chinese actors, often copying Russian-style tactics."
A spokesperson for the Chinese Mission to the European Union said: "China is always opposed to the fabrication and dissemination of disinformation by any individual or organization. China is a victim of disinformation, not an initiator.".....More

 
pgs
+1
#49
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Brussels accuses China of peddling disinformation

Color me shocked .
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#50
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

Ya have to remember that China is Au.s biggest trading partner so its not cool for Aussie to join Trumps lynch mob.
China is developing the port of Darwin, as the U.S. Navy is building their naval base in the same spot, along with the U.S. building their long range strike China base at Darwin.
China has had to endure the same old Huawei b.s. in Au. and you wonder why China is getting a bit shirty about keeping Straya alive??
Do the math......






THE MATH ADDS UP TO Nut Zone Doug being an agent working to promote the Beijing Butchers!


The MATH SAYS the words of Nut Zone Doug are just as reliable as the assurances of NAZI PROPAGANDA MINISTER


Joseph Goebbels in 1939 when he assured the world that Nazi Germany would not be bullied by warmongers in Poland!



The MATH SAYS that the Beijing Butchers are having a MAJOR IMAGE PROBLEM across the planet!


And that the fresh, ripe, steaming, straight from the back of the BULL - organic fertilizer that Nut Zone Doug is doling out



is nothing more than a SMELLY AND ABSURD SCREEN intended to HIDE - but actually FAILING to hide


the worst of the Beijing Butcher EXCESSES!



NOBODY CROSSES DESERTS OR OCEANS to illegally enter the vast prison camp that is RED CHINA!


But they DO cross oceans and deserts to illegally get into Australia. United States and Canada!


How galling for Nut Zone Doug that his Beijing Butcher Masters are being so thoroughly SNUBBED!