G.S.T. Cut Ineffective


Colpy
Conservative
#31
The GST cut is effective in one way, and one way only.....it shows the Conservatives are actually capable of fulfilling an election promise.......
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
#32
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny View Post

I remember working with the FST, which was something like 13.5%, and was a royal pain to administer.

I think the GST is a far better system.

The GST is a far better system. NO doubt.
If I remember correctly the MST had different rates on different items. We used to put trailer hitches on vehicles and the tax system was bizarre. Lots of ways to cheat on it too. (legally) If you wanted a tow hitch built and installed , the MST applied to the whole thing. So we would sell the customer the metal (no MST)but PST, then charge him to build the hitch and there was no MST and at that time there was no PST on shop labour. There was a bunch of other weird things that I have forgotten about now.
Anyway as taxes go consumption taxes are much better than income tax. I consider income tax as a tax on ambition since the more you work the higher they tax you. Overtime should be tax free to encourage productivity.
 
justfred
#33
Niflmir If the government really cared about reducing prices, they would force stores to include the gst in the sticker price. Than those $9.99 things would cost $9.99 instead of $10.59+.

Niflmir's quote above is a bit incorrect. The last time I calculated 5% tax on $9.99 it came to $10.49, not $10.59 . Should the end price be stated to include the GST, then the end price would be $10.49. Take out the GST from $10.49 you get $9.99, which I think is the same price that the retailer wanted in the first place.
 
Spade
Free Thinker
#34
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

The GST cut is effective in one way, and one way only.....it shows the Conservatives are actually capable of fulfilling an election promise.......

You mean like the promise not to touch income trusts? Curious...
 
justfred
#35
Attention: Cannuk. I do not read the language that you put on the bottom of your comments: See follows. Can you advise what language this is and what it is supposed to say?
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Spade
Free Thinker
#36
Quote: Originally Posted by justfred View Post

Attention: Cannuk. I do not read the language that you put on the bottom of your comments: See follows. Can you advise what language this is and what it is supposed to say?
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Clearly, you are not right Justified!
 
Avro
No Party Affiliation
#37
Quote: Originally Posted by Spade View Post

You mean like the promise not to touch income trusts? Curious...

He said "an" doesn't mean all.

Most parties fulfill at least one, the Libs promised jobs jobs jobs and delivered.
 
Spade
Free Thinker
#38
Quote: Originally Posted by Avro View Post

He said "an" doesn't mean all.

Most parties fulfill at least one, the Libs promised jobs jobs jobs and delivered.

Thank you Avro! For a brief moment Colpy had me confused!
 
justfred
#39
Any GST reduction is meant to benefit the wealthy only.

Quoting Citizen from above, 2nd comment,

The savings to low/middle income earners will be negligible and it's incredible how many Canadians are falling for this scam of Harper's.

I do remember that the Lying Liberals wanted to increase the GST. I would like to understand how that would help the "low/middle income earners" that are being stomped on by lowering the GST.
Last edited by justfred; Nov 18th, 2009 at 01:44 PM..
 
Avro
No Party Affiliation
#40
Quote: Originally Posted by justfred View Post

Any GST reduction is meant to benefit the wealthy only.

Quotieng Citizen from above, 2nd comment,

The savings to low/middle income earners will be negligible and it's incredible how many Canadians are falling for this scam of Harper's.

I do remenber that the Lying Liberals wanted to increase the GST. I would like to understand how that would help the "low/middle income earners" that are being stomped on by lowering the GST.

Lowering the GST has created a higher deficit and debt. What is the cost of that to low/middle income earners?
 
justfred
#41
I would think that the lower income earners, not paying income tax, would have little to no effect on increased federal government debt and the higher deficit. If they are not paying income tax, they do not support the debt and deficit that they governments are creating now. Why are the government spending more that they are getting in. That is a very complicated question and there are a lot of arguments on both sides of the debate. I would like some explanation that lowering the GST helps the "High income earners ONLY." Let's hear from Citizen, it is his/her rule.
 
justfred
#42
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Avro
No Party Affiliation
#43
Quote: Originally Posted by justfred View Post

I would think that the lower income earners, not paying income tax, would have little to no effect on increased federal government debt and the higher deficit. If they are not paying income tax, they do not support the debt and deficit that they governments are creating now. Why are the government spending more that they are getting in. That is a very complicated question and there are a lot of arguments on both sides of the debate. I would like some explanation that lowering the GST helps the "High income earners ONLY." Let's hear from Citizen, it is his/her rule.

Tell me, would you like the government to cut back in a reccession?
 
Cannuck
No Party Affiliation
#44
Quote: Originally Posted by justfred View Post

Attention: Cannuk. I do not read the language that you put on the bottom of your comments: See follows. Can you advise what language this is and what it is supposed to say?
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You will only understand this if you have entirely too much time on your hands.
 
kryptic
#45
Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck View Post

You will only understand this if you have entirely too much time on your hands.

Some kinda of code encrypted message? Just curious cuz I used to use something like that on IRC.
 
justfred
#46
Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck View Post

You will only understand this if you have entirely too much time on your hands.

Thanks for the information, I know now that I do not have a lot of time on my hands.
 
justfred
#47
Quote: Originally Posted by Avro View Post

Tell me, would you like the government to cut back in a reccession?

We should appreciate that governments are spending our money. If the government of the day cuts back, the opposition cries fowl. If they spend like a drunken sailor, the opposition cries foul. If you do not believe me, look at the Lying Liberals, (believed to be the opposition) crying foul that the Conservatives are not spending money to stimulate the economy, then get up in Parliament and say they are spending too much. I think that one reason that the Lying Liberals have lost so much credibility with the voters is because they keep switching from one side of the fence to the other, and the public are seeing them for what they are. (Lying Liberals)
 
gstindia
Free Thinker
#48
GST is the future of the economy of any country. Recently GST in India plays a very important role in the taxation. However, it requires time to settle down and may take many years. The cut in GST may bring some relaxation for time being but this may go up again in the coming future.
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+1
#49  Top Rated Post
Quote: Originally Posted by gstindia View Post

GST is the future of the economy of any country. Recently GST in India plays a very important role in the taxation. However, it requires time to settle down and may take many years. The cut in GST may bring some relaxation for time being but this may go up again in the coming future.

GST only works if income tax is eliminated.otherwise it is double taxation.
 
taxme
#50
Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox View Post

This is an excerpt from the Blog at the Liberal Party Web site.
It makes a good point, in my opinion.


The GST was created by, of all party's, the conservative party. Go figure, eh? The GST was created to just make and give more money to the political party's so they can have more tax dollars to blow on all of their pet peeve lieberal/socialist programs and agendas that have done nothing great for Canada one bit. It is the poor that could benefit more from getting rid of the GST altogether. A family of four or five can save thousands of dollars every year from getting rid of the GST.

But we should all know by now that will never happen as our dear comrade leader politicians will never give back willingly what they have stolen from we the people already. Canadians now only have politicians that are only good at cheating, corruption, stealing and lying. They have no class anymore. They have become a classless bunch of buffoons.

If the GST were to be abolished, there would be no loss of revenue for the government because all the government would have to do is abolish bilingualism, multiculturalism, foreign aid, stop massive 3rd world immigration, no more legal and illegal so called refugees to immigrate to Canada and the taxpayer's alone could save hundreds of billions of their tax dollars not being blown and wasted on all those I mentioned above every year.

But I am only kidding myself if I thought that could or would ever happen because I know that will never happen here in Canukistan. While Canadians sleep on the streets at night in the winter time, the refugees get to sleep in nice warm and comfortable beds at night with meals served. Most Canadians are pretty much aholes anyway for allowing this to happen and keep going on without a whimper.

It's no wonder I am starting to despise this country more and more every day. The majority of Canadians could careless or gives a shit as to what is really going on in Canukistan anymore. Most Canadians have become a disgusting and deplorable lot. They are allowing Canada to become a 3rd world hell hole rather than trying to make Canada great once again. And now this phony China virus is making Canada even worse, and the stunned sheeple still support this hoax. Incredible indeed.
 
JamesBondo
#51
Quote: Originally Posted by gstindia View Post

GST is the future of the economy of any country. Recently GST in India plays a very important role in the taxation. However, it requires time to settle down and may take many years. The cut in GST may bring some relaxation for time being but this may go up again in the coming future.

This is an 11year old thread. If I was.a moderator I would temporarily revoke your privelidges on this website.
 
spilledthebeer
#52
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

The GST is a far better system. NO doubt.
If I remember correctly the MST had different rates on different items. We used to put trailer hitches on vehicles and the tax system was bizarre. Lots of ways to cheat on it too. (legally) If you wanted a tow hitch built and installed , the MST applied to the whole thing. So we would sell the customer the metal (no MST)but PST, then charge him to build the hitch and there was no MST and at that time there was no PST on shop labour. There was a bunch of other weird things that I have forgotten about now.
Anyway as taxes go consumption taxes are much better than income tax. I consider income tax as a tax on ambition since the more you work the higher they tax you. Overtime should be tax free to encourage productivity.






Oh..........that doesnt sound quite right!


Consider that if we let civil servants claim over time with NO income tax applied on what they earned


THOSE people would work like loons from 5pm till midnight and SLEEP AWAY the day from 8am till 5pm!


The cost of running the Cdn govt would AT LEAST DOUBLE!
 

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