This is what EU ‘democracy’ looks like


Blackleaf
#1
So far we’ve heard nothing from these staunch defenders of EU ‘democracy’ about the behind-closed-doors appointment of the EU’s top jobs. After weeks of wrangling, the European Council appointed new EU leaders yesterday...

This is what EU ‘democracy’ looks like

People of Europe, meet your unaccountable new rulers.

SPIKED
3rd July 2019



Remoaner Twitter lost it again yesterday, after Brexit Party MEPs turned their backs in the European Parliament as musicians performed Ode to Joy, the EU’s not-quite-national anthem, to mark the beginning of the new parliamentary session. Some prominent Remainers were literally crying, decrying the BP’s protest as an affront to Western civilisation itself. Others were busy making demented Nazi comparisons.

But so far we’ve heard nothing from these staunch defenders of EU ‘democracy’ about the behind-closed-doors appointment of the EU’s top jobs. After weeks of wrangling, the European Council appointed new EU leaders yesterday. Belgian PM Charles Michel will be president of the European Council. Ursula von der Leyen, of Germany’s CDU, has been put forward to be president of the European Commission, subject to parliamentary approval. And the International Monetary Fund’s Christine Lagarde looks set to take the reins of the European Central Bank.

These people, who most European citizens will never have heard of, let alone voted for, are set to take up offices of incredible power at the nod of EU leaders, with no proper, direct mechanism for voters in EU countries to dismiss them or hold them to account. This is what EU ‘democracy’ looks like, and it ain’t pretty. This process of appointments and recommendations, made behind closed doors, is deeply undemocratic, and the appointees and candidates themselves are almost provocatively out-of-touch.


A busted flush in German domestic politics, Ursula von der Leyen is following in her late father’s footsteps – he was a high-ranking European civil servant. In 2011 she backed a ‘United States of Europe along the lines of federal states like Switzerland, Germany or the US’ – something most Germans don’t even want – and last year she voiced support for a European army. Charles Michel, who resigned as Belgian PM in December after losing a no-confidence vote, is set to become another second-generation Eurocrat – his father is a former EU Commissioner.

But the choice of Lagarde is easily the most galling. For an institution that has a reputation for corruption and cronyism, you’d have thought the EU would have had more sense than to pick her. The head of the International Monetary Fund was found guilty by a French court in 2016 of negligence for approving a massive payout of taxpayers’ money to a controversial French businessman. She avoided jail and kept her job, and it clearly hasn’t stopped her getting even more work.

As chair of the IMF since 2011, Lagarde was also one of the chief punishers of the Greek working class during the debt crisis. She publicly backed punishing austerity measures being enforced on Greece by the IMF and the EU in exchange for bailouts.
She did so despite conceding in private, according to former Greek finance minister Yanis Varoufakis, that she knew the crippling measures would not work.

Britain’s teary-eyed Remainers and deluded ‘Remain and Reform’ left-wingers have gone stunningly silent these past 24 hours. This is your EU.

Own it.

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Curious Cdn
Conservative
#2
They're unaccountable until they win or lose the next election, eh?

Where have I heard of a system like that before?
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
+1
#3  Top Rated Post
Not directly accountable to the actual people of any state, No.

Mr Misdirectional.

But good of you to have the ball to support the soviet and nazi brownshirt style of "democratic" elections in public where it's enshrined forever.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post

Not directly accountable to the actual people of any state, No.

Mr Misdirectional.
But good of you to have the ball to support the soviet and nazi brownshirt style of "democratic" elections in public where it's enshrined forever.

You couldn't fire the bums in either of those systems but you can with this one.
 
Tecumsehsbones
+1
#5
It's what I don't get. None of your leaders are directly elected in Parliamentary systems (they aren't in ours either). Nobody ever voted for Justin Trudeaubama except a few thousand folks in some riding someplace. Same in Britain. The PM is the Member for Pustulent Dickhead or wherever. So why is THIS level of indirect democracy the breaking point?

I calculate it's a mix of ignorance, hypocrisy, and lying about real motive.
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

You couldn't fire the bums in either of those systems but you can with this one.

Yes, Britain has faired so well (NOT!) at that fakenews game.
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

. Nobody ever voted for Justin Trudeaubama
I calculate it's a mix of ignorance, hypocrisy, and lying about real motive.

Yes, Canada IS a tyrannical elite potatoeschip.
 
justlooking
#8
Lagarde is one of the biggest crooks in all Europe.


Martel is a moron.


And vonderLIEden is a Merkel clone.




The Brits cant get out fast enough.
 
justlooking
+1
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

It's what I don't get. None of your leaders are directly elected in Parliamentary systems (they aren't in ours either). Nobody ever voted for Justin Trudeaubama except a few thousand folks in some riding someplace. Same in Britain. The PM is the Member for Pustulent Dickhead or wherever. So why is THIS level of indirect democracy the breaking point?

I calculate




Only you can add 2 plus 2 and come up with 5,498.




While you might be technically correct that very few actually vote Justine or Boris or Theresa, there is no doubt
during the election who the leader/PM will be if the party wins.


In this case, there was no election, no ballot, no list of other candidates, no campaign, no discussion in the media,
mp debates between any candidates, not even a mention these 3 drones were under consideration.......


in any EU country, at any time.






They were just presented, out of the blue, here you are MEPs, vote this.


The best the EU Parliament could do would be to actually vote the 3 stooges (Stoogettes, actually) down.
Just say NO.


This, of course, will not happen.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#10
So. . . your point is I'm absolutely correct, you just don't like me pointing it out?

How many British Tories voted Tory because of the promise Theresa May would be PM of Britain?
 
Blackleaf
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

They're unaccountable until they win or lose the next election, eh?
Where have I heard of a system like that before?

What election are you talking about? I doubt very much that these three will stand in an election. They aren't elected and never will be. I never remember their predecessors Drunker Juncker and Donald Tusk ever standing in elections.

You're the perfect example of a foreigner who is mystified by Brexit yet has no understanding of how the EU works and how undemocratic it is. You think you know what it's like but you don't. The reality is worse than your ignorant romanticised vision.
 
Blackleaf
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

It's what I don't get. None of your leaders are directly elected in Parliamentary systems (they aren't in ours either). Nobody ever voted for Justin Trudeaubama except a few thousand folks in some riding someplace. Same in Britain. The PM is the Member for Pustulent Dickhead or wherever. So why is THIS level of indirect democracy the breaking point?
I calculate it's a mix of ignorance, hypocrisy, and lying about real motive.


I think it's you who is the ignorant one here.

There is no "indirect democracy" behind the choosing of these three people. There is no democracy at all. They were chosen in secret behind closed doors and there will never be any elections held. At no point in the future will there be elections regarding these three. They will remain in power, regardless of what the people think, until the EU chooses their replacements in secret in a few years' time.

It'd be like your President being chosen in secret behind closed doors and never having to face an election.
 
Blackleaf
#13
That's what gets my back up about these foreign anti-Brexiters. They have an untrue and romanticised vision of the EU. Having not lived in it at all they have no idea what it's really like being in it, and just how anti-democratic it is - even going so far as to say that the appointment of these three is like the appointment of the British PM - when in fact they are completely different and the British system is democratic whereas the EU one isn't.
 
Blackleaf
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by justlooking View Post

Only you can add 2 plus 2 and come up with 5,498.
While you might be technically correct that very few actually vote Justine or Boris or Theresa, there is no doubt
during the election who the leader/PM will be if the party wins.
In this case, there was no election, no ballot, no list of other candidates, no campaign, no discussion in the media,
mp debates between any candidates, not even a mention these 3 drones were under consideration.......
in any EU country, at any time.
They were just presented, out of the blue, here you are MEPs, vote this.
The best the EU Parliament could do would be to actually vote the 3 stooges (Stoogettes, actually) down.
Just say NO.
This, of course, will not happen.


In Britain we have a parliamentary system, where we elect a political party rather than a president. The leader of the party is always expected to honour the manifesto. In other words, we decide to elect the Tories because of their policies and the party leader and PM is expected to deliver those promises still even if they came into power without an election.

This is a democratic system, unlike the EU's one.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

What election are you talking about? I doubt very much that these three will stand in an election. They aren't elected and never will be. I never remember their predecessors Drunker Juncker and Donald Tusk ever standing in elections.
You're the perfect example of a foreigner who is mystified by Brexit yet has no understanding of how the EU works and how undemocratic it is. You think you know what it's like but you don't. The reality is worse than your ignorant romanticised vision.

So, there won't be any more EU elections and those filthy foreigners were just elected for life?
 
Blackleaf
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

So, there won't be any more EU elections and those filthy foreigners were just elected for life?

Well that's half true.

None of the three will ever face an election, but they won't be there for life. They'll be there for five years or so until another three are secretly appointed behind closed doors, and they will also never face elections.

No EU person ever elected Juncker and Tusk. There were no elections.

It'd be like Trudeau being appointed behind closed doors, representing a political party which isn't even the biggest in the Canadian Parliament - the biggest in the EU Parliament is the Brexit Party - and then he never has to face an election. He stays in office until a successor is secretly appointed.

As for the EU elections, they played no part in the appointment of these three. Completely unconnected. And even the EU Parliament is undemocratic in the sense it has little power. It's not a proper parliament.
 
White_Unifier
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

In Britain we have a parliamentary system, where we elect a political party rather than a president. The leader of the party is always expected to honour the manifesto. In other words, we decide to elect the Tories because of their policies and the party leader and PM is expected to deliver those promises still even if they came into power without an election.
This is a democratic system, unlike the EU's one.

'In Britain we have a parliamentary system, where we elect a political party...'

You mean you vote according to a party list? In Canada, we vote for the local candidate who may or may not be a member of a political party.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

'In Britain we have a parliamentary system, where we elect a political party...'

You mean you vote according to a party list? In Canada, we vote for the local candidate who may or may not be a member of a political party.

B.S. you are living in a dream world . Our system would allow for your dreams but in reality it is not happening .
 
White_Unifier
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

B.S. you are living in a dream world . Our system would allow for your dreams but in reality it is not happening .

If you vote for a party, then how do you explain an MP crossing the floor or resigning from his party?
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

If you vote for a party, then how do you explain an MP crossing the floor or resigning from his party?

Happens all the time , in most instances floor crossers do not win re-election.
 
White_Unifier
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Happens all the time , in most instances floor crossers do not win re-election.

But until the following election, their votes follws them when they cross the floor: they don't stay with the party. So clearly we vote for the candidate weven if we believe we're voting for the party.
 
Blackleaf
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

'In Britain we have a parliamentary system, where we elect a political party...'
You mean you vote according to a party list? In Canada, we vote for the local candidate who may or may not be a member of a political party.

In Britain we vote for the person we would like to be our representative in Parliament.
 
White_Unifier
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

In Britain we vote for the person we would like to be our representative in Parliament.

So just like Canada then. So you don't actually vote for a party but a candidate.
 
Blackleaf
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

So just like Canada then. So you don't actually vote for a party but a candidate.

We elect a political party to run the country, as you do.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

We elect a political party to run the country, as you do.

He thinks we should do things like they do in Singapore , for some reason .
 
White_Unifier
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

He thinks we should do things like they do in Singapore , for some reason .

Er... Putting aside the fact that Canadians and Singaporeans (And Britons) alike vote for the local candidate and not the local party, both Canada (at least Federally) and Singapore still have political parties. A better example would be Nunavut and some Canadian municipalities though some Canadian municipalities do have political parties too.
 
Blackleaf
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

He thinks we should do things like they do in Singapore , for some reason .

I thought that's how you already do it on your Westminster system.
 
White_Unifier
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

We elect a political party to run the country, as you do.

So when your local candidate wins an election, if he leaves his party, he must relinquish his seat and the party will then appoint another MP in his place?
 
Blackleaf
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

So when your local candidate wins an election, if he leaves his party, he must relinquish his seat and the party will then appoint another MP in his place?

Well you usually hold a by-election, unless you're the undemocratic Remainers of Change UK who switched allegiances to the aforementioned party but refused to hold by-elections.
 
White_Unifier
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Well you usually hold a by-election, unless you're the undemocratic Remainers of Change UK who switched allegiances to the aforementioned party but refused to hold by-elections.

Really? In Canada, an MP can absolutely leave his party and keep his seat until the next election. His seat is not tied to any party.
 

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