This is what EU ‘democracy’ looks like


Curious Cdn
Conservative
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#31
Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post

Yes, Canada IS a tyrannical elite potatoeschip.

Loser, eh?

Lots of us are doing better than that.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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#32
Who voted for Theresa May to be PM of Britain, again?
 
Blackleaf
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#33
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Who voted for Theresa May to be PM of Britain, again?

If you want me to explain again, for at least the second time, how parliamentary democracy works and how it differs from the non-democracy of the EU, maybe you should stop posting in International Politics. It's easily above your IQ level.

Stick to reading Mog In The Dark, or something.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
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#34
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

If you want me to explain again, for at least the second time, how parliamentary democracy works and how it differs from the non-democracy of the EU, maybe you should stop posting in International Politics. It's easily above your IQ level.
Stick to reading Mog In The Dark, or something.

So,


...no one, really ....


...the Faeries at the bottom of the garden ...
 
Blackleaf
#35
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

So,
...no one, really ....
...the Faeries at the bottom of the garden ...

I think the fairies can get a better grasp of the sheer anti-democratic nature of these three EU appointees and the democratic nature of the British system than you and your friend: Bill and Ben the Flowerpot Men.

You even completely ignore the glaringly obvious fact that if the EU system was democratic and resembles the British Westminster system the three appointees would be Brexit Party MEPs. But you don't notice that because you just aren't bright enough.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
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#36
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

So when your local candidate wins an election, if he leaves his party, he must relinquish his seat and the party will then appoint another MP in his place?

Why do candidates have their party affiliation on the ballot if we are not voting for the party . Like Isay all you state is fact but is not how the real world works .
 
White_Unifier
#37
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Why do candidates have their party affiliation on the ballot if we are not voting for the party . Like Isay all you state is fact but is not how the real world works .

Having a party name on the ballot when the candidate has no obligation to vote with the party nor even to remain a member of the party once elected is misleading, don't you think? In my option, party names should be removed from the ballot for that reason alone.
 
Blackleaf
#38
Coffee House Steerpike

Watch: Andrew Neil tears into the next EU leaders

Steerpike




Andrew Neil

Steerpike
5 July 2019
The Spectator

White smoke emerged from the European Council in Brussels on Tuesday, as EU heads of state revealed their recommendations for the next European commission president, head of the ECB, president of the European council, and high representative for foreign affairs.

The candidates, who included the German defence minister Ursula von der Leyen and IMF head Christine Lagarde, were selected behind closed doors after three days of intense negotiations, and will now need to be confirmed by the European Parliament.

But if you were hoping that the EU had selected highly-competent former politicians and officials to lead the supranational body responsible for policies that affect millions, you would once again have been disappointed. And no one outlined these new leaders’ failings better than Andrew Neil on the BBC’s This Week, who asked how Europe could be in safe hands when they had selected:

‘a failed German defence minister, a failed Belgian prime minister, a former finance minister found guilty of negligence in a multi-million pound Euro scandal, and a Spanish politician who’s been a cheerleader for repression in Catalonia.’

Watch here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZlBy1G9BsQ

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/0...xt-eu-leaders/
 
Blackleaf
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#39
The Brexit Party's Anne Widdecombe's explosive rant in the EU Parliament: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qDl1KfoHqGE
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#40
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

Having a party name on the ballot when the candidate has no obligation to vote with the party nor even to remain a member of the party once elected is misleading, don't you think? In my option, party names should be removed from the ballot for that reason alone.

Yes but your opinion and 2 bucks will get you a coffee at McDonalds . The party leader must sign nomination papers , a candidate must follow the party line if they wish their nomination papers signed . Sure they are free to cross the floor once elected , however they need two terms to qualify for pension benefits . Politicians like everyone else are concerned with their own livelihood first and foremost .
 
Blackleaf
#41
Brexit Party MEP Anne Widdecombe toasts ludicrous Leftie who tells her: 'It Is Total White Privilege On Your Part To Use The Word Oppression'

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=REaaC8y4GR8
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#42
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Yes but your opinion and 2 bucks will get you a coffee at McDonalds . The party leader must sign nomination papers , a candidate must follow the party line if they wish their nomination papers signed . Sure they are free to cross the floor once elected , however they need two terms to qualify for pension benefits . Politicians like everyone else are concerned with their own livelihood first and foremost .

It's not much of a livelihood, really. Most MPs are lawyers and most would be making considerably more in private practice. I guess that means that we end up with second rate, incompetent lawyers in politics or perhaps those without a shred of honest ambition. Suffice to say that no one who is honestly following the rules is getting wealthy in our political system.
 
Blackleaf
#43
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BgDSGG7-qb4
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#44
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

It's not much of a livelihood, really. Most MPs are lawyers and most would be making considerably more in private practice. I guess that means that we end up with second rate, incompetent lawyers in politics or perhaps those without a shred of honest ambition. Suffice to say that no one who is honestly following the rules is getting wealthy in our political system.

Where did I say honestly ? How did Cretien that little guy from Shawinigan become a multimillionaire ? How did Gerald Butts amass 22 million dollars ? How much money has poured into Trudeau’s foundation since he was elected PM . Are you blind ?
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#45
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Where did I say honestly ? How did Cretien that little guy from Shawinigan become a multimillionaire ? How did Gerald Butts amass 22 million dollars ? How much money has poured into Trudeau’s foundation since he was elected PM . Are you blind ?

The MP from Baumfuch, Manitoba is not getting rich as the MP from Baumfuch, Manitoba .
 
pgs
Free Thinker
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#46
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

The MP from Baumfuch, Manitoba is not getting rich as the MP from Baumfuch, Manitoba .

Nobody gets rich there .
 
Blackleaf
#47
TONY PARSONS I wouldn’t trust new Eurocrats to run a whelk stall



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Tony Parsons, Sun on Sunday columnist
7 Jul 2019
The Sun on Sunday

JUST when you feel your faith in Brexit flagging, the European Union does something so monumentally stupid that you know we have to get the thing over the line.

Behind closed doors, the EU has just doled out its top jobs to Brussels’ next generation of unelected, unaccountable Ayatollahs.

Germany's Ursula von der Leyen is congratulated on her new job by Donald Tusk Credit: AP:Associated Press

And the prestige posts are all going to fanatical federalists who believe that Brexit is the devil’s spawn.

Ursula von der Leyen, replacing Jean-Claude Juncker as EU Commission president in November, talks with a straight face about a European Union army defending a United States of Europe. No, really.

Christine Lagarde, replacing Mario Draghi as European Central Bank president, was a proud cheerleader for Project Fear in her role as head of the International Monetary Fund, predicting the UK’s collapse if we dared vote for Brexit.

And Charles Michel, the lame duck Belgium Prime Minister replacing Donald Tusk as EU Council President, has consistently dismissed Brexit as a contemptible little “soap opera”.

Christine Lagard is another ominous appointment Credit: AFP

Come back, Jean-Claude Drunker — all is forgiven!

I have seen these appointments described as a “huge headache” for the next British Prime Minister.

On the contrary, having an elite of Brexit-bashing, Brit-loathing Eurocrats spitting their federalist poison at us makes leaving the EU inevitable.

Nothing is more likely to finally get us out of the European Union than having a sneering, bossy rabble of democracy-denying nonentities wagging their fingers in our faces.

I wouldn’t trust the EU Ayatollahs to run a whelk stall.

Charles Michel replacing Tusk is not an appointment which helps Britain in any way Credit: AFP

Charles Michel’s major claim to fame is that he became Belgium’s youngest ever PM in 2014, despite his party coming third in the elections.

Christine Lagarde was convicted of criminal negligence in 2016 over a financial scandal in France but spared jail time and allowed to keep her job.

She is the first female head of the European Central Bank and also the first who has no background in economics.

Despite her eight years as head of the IMF, Lagarde is a lawyer and a politician. So best of luck saving the Euro, Christine.

Ursula von der Leyen’s nomination as EU Commission President has provoked outrage in her native Germany, where it is perceived as an undeserved reward for miserable failure.

Von Leyen's track record makes her appointment odd Credit: Reuters
Frau von der Leyen’s six years as defence minister earned her the reputation as “the worst minister in Germany” and being promoted to President of the EU Commission is seen as getting “kicked upstairs” by her friend, Chancellor Angela Merkel.

Certainly there is nothing on Ursula’s CV to warrant such a promotion.

As defence minister, Frau von der Leyen prioritised creches and flexible working hours for Germany’s armed forces.

Funding shortages became so dire on her watch that on a Nato training exercise in Norway, German troops were obliged to use broomsticks painted black instead of guns.

I don’t fancy her EU army’s chances against the Russians.

But I would bet they have childcare facilities to die for.

Unelected by the people, unaccountable to the people and contemptuous of the people, this next generation of Eurocrats remind us why the British have no future inside this arrogant empire.

Yes, Brexit has been an agony.

But the appointment of the EU’s new Ayatollahs prove that remaining is unthinkable.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/945193...s-whelk-stall/
Last edited by Blackleaf; Jul 7th, 2019 at 06:55 AM..
 
Tecumsehsbones
#48
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

If you want me to explain again, for at least the second time, how parliamentary democracy works and how it differs from the non-democracy of the EU, maybe you should stop posting in International Politics. It's easily above your IQ level.
Stick to reading Mog In The Dark, or something.

Or you could just answer the question. But of course, that would reveal that your chief executive was elected by a handful of voters in Pustulent Dickhead and a bunch of career politicians.

She received the votes of maybe one percent of the British people.
 
Blackleaf
#49
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Or you could just answer the question. But of course, that would reveal that your chief executive was elected by a handful of voters in Pustulent Dickhead and a bunch of career politicians.
She received the votes of maybe one percent of the British people.

How many votes did each of these three receive?

And I'll point out again that if the EU's system of electing these three was in any way democratic and even slightly resembled the Westminster system - which isn't the case on both counts, despite your feeble attempts to portray them as such - each of the three appointees would be from the Brexit Party.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#50
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

How many votes did each of these three receive?
And I'll point out again that if the EU's system of electing these three was in any way democratic and even slightly resembled the Westminster system - which isn't the case on both counts, despite your feeble attempts to portray them as such - each of the three appointees would be from the Brexit Party.

I made no such attempt. I simply pointed out that your claim of democracy is as fantastical as everything else you believe about Briddin.

That's OK. Hard Brexit is coming, and we'll both be happy. You'll enjoy your "freedom," and I'll enjoy Britain's continuing decline.
 
Blackleaf
#51
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

I made no such attempt. I simply pointed out that your claim of democracy is as fantastical as everything else you believe about Briddin.

That's OK. Hard Brexit is coming, and we'll both be happy. You'll enjoy your "freedom," and I'll enjoy Britain's continuing decline.


Britain is a democracy. A parliamentary democracy. It may seem alien to you in a presidential democracy - which I'm glad we don't have - but that doesn't mean Britain doesn't operate a democratic system. Indeed, Britain is the world's oldest surviving democracy.

If the EU was in any way democratic and resembled the British Parliamentary system, Nigel Farage would be the EU Prime Minister - as the Brexit Party is the largest party in the EU Parliament - the Brexit Party would be the ruling party and each of these three appointees would be from the Brexit Party, appointed by Farage. The three appointees would continue to be from the Brexit Party until the EU public elect another party to govern them.

But the EU doesn't operate in a democratic way - it's not undemocratic, it's ANTI-democratic. Instead they were secretly selected behind closed doors with no democratic process.
 
Blackleaf
#52
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mBIuEyoCG50
 
Hoid
#53
what does UK democracy look like?

you take a poll and if like ireland and scotland you want to remain in the EU you don't remain in the EU you Brexit with the uK. At some point in time. Perhaps.

Because democracy.
 
Blackleaf
#54
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

you take a poll and if like ireland and scotland you want to remain in the EU you don't remain in the EU you Brexit with the uK. At some point in time. Perhaps.

Terrible. The UK leaves the EU according to the democratic vote of the 2016 referendum. What a terrible time for democracy.

As for the Scots, they voted to remain within the UK in 2014 knowing full well that an EU in/out referendum is likely.
 
The Left
#55
It's Democracy still and the EU leftists want change to socialist states?
 
The Left
#56
Socialist states like North Korea and the EU.
 
The Left
#57
Will back to Canadian political because France bad and Russia bad then Deutschland best EU with Finnland not enough to my political view it turn to Canada and all EU is no more even they will change to socialist states but no my wanted.

It's like Soviets not my political voice.
 
MHz
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#58
Quote: Originally Posted by The Left View Post

Socialist states like North Korea and the EU.

One is under stress because of sanctions imposed by the World Banks, the other one is even more stressed out because they didn't want the sanctions. Without removing the aspects that brings to the picture you cannot get a good look at what a socialism is like as far as how the least important are affected. Right now they are considered to be 'useless eaters' and the elite should be able to do better than that.
 
MHz
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#59
Quote: Originally Posted by The Left View Post

Deutschland best EU with Finnland not enough to my political view

They are different as they have never had sanctions brought against them and being home to the World Bank means it is a sanctuary for the bankrupt business owners and bankers as they do not extradite.
$1T social welfare fund deposited, your list of things to do: (world debt is $75T and increasing at 6% so I do not have any such list)
Last edited by MHz; 4 weeks ago at 05:09 PM..
 

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