Trans Mountain ‘pipeline is going to get built’: Trudeau dismisses B.C.’s bitumen ban


petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Nice how many freighters and cruise ships are guided through Lions Gate each day ?


Come off it ,bull heads are still plentiful .

Floating cities with better sewage treatment than Victoria by a country mile on board those puppies.
 
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Bar Sinister
No Party Affiliation
#752
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

in fact it changes nothing about the legality or illegality of this pipeline expansion.


Let's just say that whenever the Federal government has used the POGG clause it has had its way.
 
Hoid
#753
Lets just say that the law does not change based on who you are.
 
Bar Sinister
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#754
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Lets just say that the law does not change based on who you are.


Precisely as the government of BC is going to find out.
 
petros
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#755


Trees cut for the TMPL expansion Right of way.
 
DaSleeper
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#756
And the Facebook addict has lost all credibility he might have had while continuing to post his unoriginal facebook regurgitates..
 
petros
#757
I go on Fascistbook?
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post






The truth:


The whole truth not the partial truth like above



 
Gilgamesh
#759
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

I know 2 of the 3 drive gas guzzling, CO2 snorting pre-CAFE regulation beaters.

20mpg is pretty rotten on the environment.

But CO2 is not. Get an education.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post



Trees cut for the TMPL expansion Right of way.

The sale of those should pay for the whole god damned kit and caboodle?

Where is that cold deck located?
 
petros
+1
#761
Really? You've got to be kidding me.

Do you know what double speak is?

They are taxing us on carbon not CO2 or hydro carbons.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
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#762
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

The sale of those should pay for the whole god damned kit and caboodle?

Where is that cold deck located?

Just a down payment on the Carbon tax
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#763
You have to reference your posts to something, Pete, or we don't know what the f**k you are nattering about!
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+1
#764
No sorry it was in reference to the sale of the wood stockpiled from ROW clearing
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#765
 
Tecumsehsbones
#766
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

With you Cliffy it's always a matter of 'either or'. I say protect both. Do you have a problem with that? Scenery is nice but it doesn't put food on the table.

"You can't eat scenery."

-- Viktor, Local Hero

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Have no fear, Cliffy, the Old Stock Canadians will still hate him every bit as much.
 
DaSleeper
#767
And he's still the facebook addict


 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
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#768
 
petros
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#769
Weird is normal.

Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Just a down payment on the Carbon tax

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

The sale of those should pay for the whole god damned kit and caboodle?

Where is that cold deck located?

Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

No sorry it was in reference to the sale of the wood stockpiled from ROW clearing

I could say it's Alberta but in reality it Denmark and those trees where from a blow down caused by a tornado.
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
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#770
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Why is their no private money stepping here?

Because its a loser.

Is that what your teacher told you?
Fact is leftard governments in BC and Alberta have sent a signal to international businesses that Canada is a poor investment climate.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
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#771
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

We should not transporting any of that. We should look beyond stopping the expansion and toward shutting down oil altogether.

Dumb dumb dumb! Would you walk away from an orchard when half the fruit hasn't been harvested?
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#772
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Dumb dumb dumb! Would you walk away from an orchard when half the fruit hasn't been harvested?

You can eat fruit, you can eat bitumen. I afraid any analogy would be just as dumb. Rotting fruit will not destroy our oceans, fisheries and our tourist industry like a a tanker run aground.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
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#773
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

You can eat fruit, you can eat bitumen. I afraid any analogy would be just as dumb. Rotting fruit will not destroy our oceans, fisheries and our tourist industry like a a tanker run aground.

How about a B.C. Ferry piloted by good ole union employees running aground . Rumour has it they were rutting in the back rather then stealing the ship . Bloody oil tankers .
 
spilledthebeer
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Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

How about a B.C. Ferry piloted by good ole union employees running aground . Rumour has it they were rutting in the back rather then stealing the ship . Bloody oil tankers .




The Kinder Morgan pipeline WILL BE BUILT!!! I am certain of that- and then LIE-berals will shut it down and let it rot! FOREVER!! And sneer at us for whinging about the eventual $12 billion plus price tag that LIE-berals WASTED while screwing with it!


Consider:




Here is an article that illustrates how utterly confused all LIE-beral policy has become! And it displays our idiot Boy Justin in all his glory as a PIPELINE PUTZ! With some comments of my own in brackets):

Trudeau takes the easy way out on Trans Mountain

By Lorne Gunter. Published: May 22, 2018. Updated: May 22, 2018 5:50 PM EDT

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There’s a simple solution to the Trans Mountain Extension crisis. Trouble is, the simple solution isn’t easy. So the Trudeau government is avoiding the simple solution like the plague.

(Simple solution is not easy is a polite way of saying LIE-berals don’t want to follow the easy path- NOR the logical path either! Hypocrisy is IN!)

Six weeks ago, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau hit on the simple solution. After meeting in Ottawa with B.C.’s NDP Premier John Horgan and Alberta’s NDP Premier Rachel Notley, Trudeau pledged to introduce a bill affirming the federal government’s right to protect interprovincial trade, like pipelines.

Oh, sure, B.C. insists Ottawa cannot force through a pipeline across its territory. But nearly every constitutional expert not paid by Victoria is pretty sure Ottawa has that power.

Simple.

(Ah! The Devil is in the details! Our idiot Boy Justin has promised to close down the Cdn oil patch and the easiest way to do so is to simply deny it access to markets by stalling forever on pipelines! Certainly the latest set of environmental tests is clearly designed to stall till after the 2019 federal election! Sadly LIE-berals failed to figure out how much real support there really is to be had on environmental issues- we all want the OTHER GUY to clean up and leave US alone! So now LIE-berals are being forced- or so it seems- into buying the Kinder Morgan pipeline- in the midst of the NAFTA MESS- LIE-berals cannot bully legitimate investors! So offering to buy the pipeline means LIE-berals can stall with some of the pressure off!)

Almost certainly, B.C. would go to court to challenge the validity of a federal pipeline law. Who knows, it might even win a temporary injunction stopping construction on Kinder Morgan’s project until the court challenge could be heard.

But eventually the courts would very likely side with Ottawa. And in the meantime, Kinder Morgan might be persuaded to keep the project alive because it would be obvious the federal government has the company’s back. There would no longer be any doubt the Trudeau government and Kinder Morgan had the same goal.

One of the big reasons KM may bail on Trans Mountain next week is that the Trudeau Liberals have never done anything concrete to demonstrate their support for the pipeline. Only lip service. A bill might change that.

(Reality is Kinder Morgan has listened carefully to the part of LIE-beral policy that explains how they will use carbon crap and trade taxes to drive up the price of fossil fuel till it is so costly that we give up using it and turn to the suddenly- by comparison- bargain priced LIE-beral supplied mouldy green electricity whose price is already so high it is destroying the Wynne-bag LIE-berals! Kinder Morgan investors have $3.7 billion dollars invested in that stalleld pipe and they will not sit patiently for ever! The pressure to DO SOMETHING is on LIE-berals!)

(But the future holds odd solutions if LIE-beral scheming holds sway! Kinder Morgan is asking itself if it wants to do business in such a poisoned political climate as LIE-beral Canada! A new LIE-beral bill full of weasel word clauses that PRETEND to offer support will not change reality!)

But the simple way is not the easy way. It’s a matter of electoral math.

The federal Liberals have three seats in Alberta and almost no hope of winning that many again in next year’s federal election. In most polls, Prime Minister Trudeau is more unpopular in Alberta than Alberta NDP Premier Notley. And the Liberals’ support is below where it was during the National Energy Program in the 1980s.

(Yes the Pierre Trudeau authored NEP persuaded Albertans that “the eastern bastards should freeze in the dark”- so successful was Our Pierre in “helping” Alberta! And now his idiot Boy is starting up NEP 2.0!)

Yet it’s only in Alberta that tough, federal action would be a vote-getter.

By contrast, the Liberals have 18 MPs in B.C., most from major urban areas where the pipeline is more controversial. And Liberal strategists worry that each one’s re-election might be in jeopardy if the Trudeau government were to take firmer action.

So, if the simple solution is out, that leaves the easy one.

(Well- even that solution is not really workable in the long run! Civil service union Hogs were on side with the LIE-berals carbon crap and trade scam because they expected to benefit from it and get LOTS of new gravy- yet all they re getting is more taxes, lots more debt to cover the rapidly increasing cost to deal with the teeming swarms of illegals that LIE-berals have invited here but are desperate to hide from the angry public, and a gross spike in gasoline costs- that Hogs had expected to be shielded from! That the Elementary School Teachers of ETFO- the former staunch LIE-beral supporters of Ontari-owe LIE-berals- have now thrown their support behind Horvath and the NDP is no doubt an unpleasant shock to LIE-berals everywhere! Hog anger is rising almost as fast as general public rage!)

(Our idiot Boy may be screwing himself if he counts heavily on support from B.C. since the Greens and NDP are both well entrenched there and both espouse exactly the same style of LIE-beral policies! The 3 parties are interchangeable in very many ways but as yet B. C. voters do not seem to have connected high oil prices with LIE-beral policy! Nor have they counted on how much further oil prices will go if LIE-berals hold sway for another 4 years!)

The easy solution is to tax every Canadian for subsidies Ottawa can give to Kinder Morgan to keep the project alive at least until after the next federal campaign.

If the pipeline is still alive, at least officially, the federal Liberals won’t have to admit to pro-energy, pro-development voters that they have completely botched the pipeline file. Yet, if no real progress is being made in construction (a condition the Liberals can blame on the courts), then the Trudeauites won’t set off the full rage of anti-pipeline voters either.

(The even easier solution and the one LIE-berals are likely going for is to buy the Kinder Morgan pipeline and then put such a high price on finishing it that it NEVER gets finished! LIE-berals would also be happy to charge such high costs for any company wanting to use the pipeline that they would give up in despair! WE need to recall here the LIE-beral vision is for a CARBON FREE Canada and the more oil infrastructure LIE-berals control- the easier it will be to strangle it!)

Last week, when federal Finance Minster Bill Morneau said that if Kinder Morgan backed out of Trans Mountain he was confident many other investors would step forward, most financial and energy analysts admitted to being “perplexed.”

Who did Morneau imagine would replace Kinder Morgan? Enbridge? No. TransCanada? No. So who?

That’s the easy part.

There are 27.1 million potential investors – the combined federal tax filers of Canada.

(Problem is that those tax filers are- most of them- rather addicted to the oil that powers the farms that provide the food, allows them to get to work, is used to make all sorts of products- and most important of all- that oil fuels the myriad gas guzzling toys that Hogs play with during their generous holiday periods! How can Hogs fly to Florida for a round of golf in January if LIE-berals have cut off the flow of jet fuel? Residents of B.C. are showing their true colours as they rage at the current record price of gas- and LIE-berals truly want the price EVEN HIGHER! LIE-beral policy is spinning in circles like turds in a flushed toilet!)

The feds have the power to make every taxpayer chip in to buy Trans Mountain from Kinder Morgan, or to keep subsidizing the company’s bottom line so KM keeps control while also saying the project is still a go.

(We can be assured Kinder Morgan will not mind being paid to do nothing for a year or two- till LIE-beral policy stabilizes and they either choose to Sh+t or get off the pot and make a real choice about the pipeline! Who would mind getting a generous return on a pipeline investment that is not even complete or useable? Only Cdn tax payers will object and Our idiot Boy and his Climate Barbie Environment Minister McKenna have already told us they have no time for us critics! So LIE-berals MUST STALL for time- they want Kinder Morgan OUT of the news- and that means throwing OUR BORROWED money at an oil company to keep it quiet and patient till after October 2019! If LIE-berals do eke out another election win then they can follow their instincts and KILL the pipeline!)

For a government that is already accumulating national debt at a faster rate than any other peacetime government since Confederation, how hard can it be to spend your money and mine to keep the project in suspended animation until the Libs have safely won re-election next fall?

Simple. That would be reeeeal easy.

(And with rapid expansion of the oil patch killing carbon crap and trade tax waiting in the wings! The Pierre Trudeau national energy policy heavily damaged LIE-beral prospects! Kinder Morgan looks like a much bigger and messier and more damaging version that will hurt the ENTIRE country!)
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+2
#775
Trans Mountain gets tougher pipeline injunction

VANCOUVER - Anti-pipeline protesters have made a calculated effort to blockade two Trans Mountain work sites in Burnaby, says a British Columbia Supreme Court judge who scrapped a 10-minute pre-arrest warning and expanded an injunction to include other facilities used by the company. Justice Kenneth Affleck said Friday he would have some sympathy for people opposed to Trans Mountain's application to vary his March 15 order prohibiting protests within a five-metre buffer zone, but an abundance of evidence indicates people have found ways to get around it.
"In my view, the clear attempt to frustrate the injunction is not acceptable and there needs to be a means by this court to determine that its orders are respected," Affleck said.
"They have a right to make their views known in a way that captures the attention of the world, if they wish to do so, but they are not entitled to block what is lawful activity."
In eliminating the 10-minute warning, Affleck amended the written injunction order to add what police would say before arresting people, including informing them they will be arrested if they continue breaking the law and that they may face charges.
Trans Mountain lawyer Maureen Killoran told Affleck that protesters have used a "workaround" to flout the injunction, which applied to the Burnaby Terminal and the Westridge Marine Terminal.
Killoran said affidavits from two investigators working for the company indicate protesters have been bent on maximizing disruption at the two construction sites by "tag teaming" to avoid arrest after police read them the injunction order and gave them a 10-minute warning.
She read Facebook posts of a group called the Justin Trudeau Brigade, which urges protesters to leave a blockade just before the warning time is up as they are replaced by another group and police have to read the injunction order again as the process is repeated.

Killoran said an RCMP officer's affidavit outlines how protesters at the Burnaby work sites have taken advantage of the 10-minute warning period and slowed down the enforcement process, resulting in fewer arrests, more work for police, and no repercussions for protesters.
"This is the mischief we are here to address," Killoran said, adding protest organizers are committed to stopping Trans Mountain trucks from entering construction sites and have climbed on top of a tunnel boring machine at a storage facility in Delta, B.C.
She said activists aim to blockade other locations where the company might store equipment or have contractors working on the project, prompting Affleck to grant a request to extend the five-metre limit beyond Burnaby, in areas where the company's contractors and subcontractors may work. He also allowed the company to post warning signs 10 metres from work sites.
Dozens of protesters have been arrested since protests escalated last November. Many of them have appeared before Affleck this week to plead guilty to criminal contempt of court for violating the injunction and to pay fines or commit to community service. Others have yet to make court appearances.
Neil Chantler, a lawyer for one of 15 defendants named in a notice of civil claim, called Trans Mountain's request to expand the injunction too broad and said the company was being hypothetical in assuming people would protest beyond Burnaby but had evidence only on the incident at the Delta facility.
"Trans Mountain is trying to get a carte blanche order that it may wield in the future wherever it chooses, much to the detriment and uncertainty of the general public," Chantler said.
However, Killoran said there is nothing hypothetical about Trans Mountain's intention to protect its work sites while continuing a project that the federal government has approved.


The protestors pissed the judge off not a smart move after he gave them a gift in the last ruling
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Trans Mountain gets tougher pipeline injunction

VANCOUVER - Anti-pipeline protesters have made a calculated effort to blockade two Trans Mountain work sites in Burnaby, says a British Columbia Supreme Court judge who scrapped a 10-minute pre-arrest warning and expanded an injunction to include other facilities used by the company.

I think there should be a designated protest area for this project. 10 miles outside of Atlin might be a good spot.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+3
#777
That's still to close Lol
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#778
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

I think there should be a designated protest area for this project. 10 miles outside of Atlin might be a good spot.

That would be Jakes Junction .
 
spilledthebeer
+2
#779
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

That would be Jakes Junction .


Kinder Morgan is the Petro Canada for a new generation! It will take a federal election and a different govt to kill the oil mess as well as the trade war!


Consider the mess being made in our housing and tax revenue markets:



Here is a nice story explaining the efficiency our federal civil service Hogs at Canada Revenue Agency display. It illustrates how civil servants seek out low hanging, easy to get at fruit, and ignore any hard and time consuming jobs that WOULD PAY MORE IF PROSECUTED! But Hogs don’t want to sweat the big jobs-its much easier to chase the little guys! With some comments of my own added in brackets):

Civil service Hogs are so lazy they are actually screwing themselves as they desperately NEED BILLIONS of dollars in top- up financing to keep their grossly generous pension plans afloat! LIE-berals simply cannot shovel in the cash fast enough to suit the Hogs. And the foreign tax cheat cases represent EASY shots at tax cheats! No need for `new revenue tools` that will screw ordinary Cdns when you have these cheats to work with-if lazy entitlement counting Hogs can find the time to DO THEIR JOBS!

Feds, after dragging heels, plan crackdown on Vancouver real estate tax cheats 5/18. The Province. Peter O'Neil.

OTTAWA — A “bombshell” internal federal government document has triggered a new wave of accusations of government inaction in dealing with Vancouver’s housing affordability crisis.

The document, leaked to the South China Morning Post, indicates the Canada Revenue Agency conducted only one successful global audit last year of the so-called “astronaut” millionaire immigrants who buy pricey homes and settle families in Metro Vancouver, but fail to report their worldwide taxable income.

(I say-isn’t that nice-they bring their families and enjoy the `free`health care and `free` schooling and HIDE their income-and stupid Hogs cannot be bothered chasing these cheats? Utterly lazy Hogs would rather beat pennies out of our hides then be bothered beating DOLLARS out of the cheats!)

The single overseas audit was one of 339 audits done by the CRA’s Pacific Region that yielded a total of $14.4 million in recovered revenues and $1.3 million in fines.

The document is stamped “protected B” — which indicates that the public disclosure of the report could cause “serious injury to an individual, organization or government,” according to Public Works and Government Services Canada.

The Hong Kong newspaper quoted from a provocative slide presentation to B.C. Pacific Region agency staff last month that said the agency is now beefing up its resources to go after tax cheats, and especially the top 500 files of greatest concern in the city’s overheated housing market.

The additional 85 full-time staff on the West Coast will target the “astronauts” as well as speculators who “flip” properties to obtain a quick profit, then fail to pay capital gains tax and sometimes don’t pay the goods and services tax.

Some, according to the presentation, seek to avoid the GST by claiming the house is a “principal residence” and therefore exempt.

(This little dodge would be a LOT EASIER to stop if LIE-beral immigration judges would make honest efforts to actually TRACK the comings and goings of `landed immigrants` who actually happen to be using Cdn citizenship as a flag of convenience like Greek ship owners skirting marine LAW by registering their vessels in LIBERIA.)

(Anybody remember the last war between Israel and Hezzbollah in Lebanon when FIFTY THOUSAND `Canadians-so called-suddenly appeared at the docks and DEMANDED `their` govt rescue them from the war zone! It cost 86 MILLION dollars to get these PRETEND Cdns back `home`. And LIE-berals consider it RACIST to ask just how many of those rescued were actual Cdn residents instead of foreign clowns with dual citizenship and carrying Cdn passports just in case things go sour and they have to leave their Middle Eastern HOME!)

(And LIE-beral immigration judges are so quick to accept bullshit excuses for sudden changes of address-such as):

The quick sale is justified in a variety of ways, according to the slide presentation, including: “Dad tripped over a crack in the sidewalk in front of the house (bad omen).”

Another excuse for a quick-sell is a negative Feng Shui report — a reference to the ancient Chinese philosophy of harmonizing people with their surrounding environment.

The slide show also presented a photo of a Vancouver mansion that sold for $5.8 million, over a caption saying the new owner had declared income so low he or she was able to claim the federal tax break intended for low-income Canadian workers.

(LIE-berals also consider it racist when Conservative appointed judges ask too many questions about bullshit stories being spun by immigrant frauds who only want to exploit US for fun and profit! There are NO votes and NO ethnic groups that LIE-berals will not seek to BUY!)

A CRA spokesman issued a statement Thursday saying the agency’s efforts are not targeting specifically foreign buyers.

(And WHY would CRA target foreigners when its so much more fun to piss off REAL Cdns who think all civil servants are greedy Hogs!

“The source of funds for the real estate purchases are not the focus of tax non-compliance,” said Jeffrey Lansing.

(Yeah, why bother finding out if foreign home buyers are laundering drug money etc?)

He also noted that the agency’s focus on domestic tax evasion and real estate flipping is taking precedence over failure to report offshore income because that’s the area “where the risk of non-compliance was highest.”

(This is govt style double speak telling us that foreigners are finding it QUITE EASY to get into Canada and then LAUNDER money brought in from their home lands by running it through the Cdn real estate market. In the 1970`s CBC did a documentary explaining how organized crime was getting into Cdn real estate market. Should we ask if CRA agents are AFRAID to target certain home buyers?)

( Thugs didn’t even have to actually do any renovation to the houses-just buy them and flip them around to other gang members -with the prices going up regularly! And if they actually decide they want to renovate-then those houses are a GREAT place to dispose of stolen building materials and such-complete with FAKE receipts that govt wont bother to check out! Better still, gang members can get `work` on the renovations and then apply for un-employment Insurance based on their fake work records with their CRIMINAL BOSSES!)

A Vancouver academic called the report a “bombshell” that is certain to enrage many British Columbians frustrated that the agency didn’t act sooner given evidence of tax evasion for years.

The Vancouver Sun reported last year that a study by University of B.C. geographer Dan Hiebert found that some homeowners in tony parts of the west side of Vancouver and Richmond were claiming to have income as low as people struggling to survive in Vancouver’s poor Downtown Eastside.

A study by Vancouver mathematician Jens von Bergmann, formerly of The University of Calgary, published first in the South China Morning Post, had similar findings.

“This is a stunning failure on the part of the CRA,” said Simon Fraser University professor Joshua Gordon, who recently completed a study on the impact of foreign investment in Metro Vancouver’s housing affordability crisis.

“It represents gross negligence in this area, since questionable activity in this area has long been suspected.”

(I say: “the `prof` has a nice way with understatement”! Fraud and fakery in the housing market are RAMPANT-and CBC had the evidence in 1978!)
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#780
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

That would be Jakes Junction .

Ooooooooooh mea culpa, I didn't mean to cause any distress for the folks at Jakes.