Mental health issues, no legal gun purchase, huge joke


Frankiedoodle
#1
Surely someone can tell me how the seller of a gun, is going to determine the lifetime of mental health competency of a potential buyer. Or is the plan just something to make us think we are safe from mass murderers.
 
Curious Cdn
#2
Quote: Originally Posted by Frankiedoodle View Post

Surely someone can tell me how the seller of a gun, is going to determine the lifetime of mental health competency of a potential buyer. Or is the plan just something to make us think we are safe from mass murderers.

Thinks: This gun is such a bad buy, the guy must be crazy to want it.
 
Frankiedoodle
#3
A very, very, small number of those with a mental illness will hurt anyone else. Those with mental illness do not have a flashing sign on their foreheads. Do you want to have the results filed away for later use by a potential employer.
 
JLM
+1
#4  Top Rated Post
Quote: Originally Posted by Frankiedoodle View Post

Surely someone can tell me how the seller of a gun, is going to determine the lifetime of mental health competency of a potential buyer. Or is the plan just something to make us think we are safe from mass murderers.


Whatever is put in place, there is nothing that is fool proof. The wrong person somehow, sometime, somewhere is going to get their hands on a gun. Possibly the risk could be reduced if gun venders were able to access a list of people deemed to be potentially dangerous by the courts. But such a list would be subjective at best and only a partial list.
 
Frankiedoodle
#5
Just how would sellers access such a list.it would not be from the buyer. It probably be expected to come from medical records. No dr. should give out that information. There is no way it can work.
 
JLM
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by Frankiedoodle View Post

Just how would sellers access such a list.it would not be from the buyer. It probably be expected to come from medical records. No dr. should give out that information. There is no way it can work.


The same way those with a need to know can access the list of sexual predators!
 
damngrumpy
#7
I think one should not mention the flaw. Here is why. If the seller can't determine the
state of the gun buyer the government will issue a rule that says the seller must in
fact research ever buyer to ensure they don't have a mental illness and do you know
what that would cost. A gun registry would be cheaper.
Can you imagine if the seller had to prove all customers were not crazy?
 
DaSleeper
+1
#8
Not to worry.....I'm not selling Megahurtz any of my guns.......
 
Scooby
#9
So....
People with mental health issues will be marginalized if they can't legally purchase a gun? WTF?
I believe all that happens now is when you apply for a Personal Acquisition Licence, the R.C.M.P. can block the issuance of the licence if they have information of mental health issues. This makes sense. What possible problem is at issue here?
 
Ludlow
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by Frankiedoodle View Post

Surely someone can tell me how the seller of a gun, is going to determine the lifetime of mental health competency of a potential buyer. Or is the plan just something to make us think we are safe from mass murderers.

Possible hospital records might be attained in my country but maybe not. Guns exist and there are going to be those who use them to murder people. Not much you can do about it and keep your weapons too.
 
Twila
#11
If someone wants to purchase a gun and they were unable to pass a mental health exam AND if we could tell how someones mental health will unfold for the future, nobody would register to buy legal guns.

They'd just buy them the same way criminals do.
 
Ludlow
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by Twila View Post

If someone wants to purchase a gun and they were unable to pass a mental health exam AND if we could tell how someones mental health will unfold for the future, nobody would register to buy legal guns.

They'd just buy them the same way criminals do.

It's just one of many things that you cannot regulate.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
#13
If you sell a car in Ontario you have to have a package prepared showing emissions heath and mechanical health of the car. You could require the buyer to have such a package from the government. If he can't produce the document saying he could buy a gun, you don't sell to him. It would then be the buyers responsibility. This seems a reasonable approach.
 
Twila
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiing View Post

If you sell a car in Ontario you have to have a package prepared showing emissions heath and mechanical health of the car. You could require the buyer to have such a package from the government. If he can't produce the document saying he could buy a gun, you don't sell to him. It would then be the buyers responsibility. This seems a reasonable approach.

It does until the buyers have to determine if the mental health condition could become something else and that something else has a violent component.

Most mental health issues have comorbidity. They can have a wee bit of something else alongside. Even a psychiatrist can't predict what aspects of another condition will, when, or how it will manifest.

Mental health issues are not going to be a successfull way to monitor who's having a gun and what they'll do with it.

At some point in time most mentally healthy individuals will suffer from the effects of dementia. For North Americans, that stage of life can come much much earlier and unpredictably.

Maybe guns could be developed with a monitor on them of some type. Fast heart rate, sweaty palms, etc prevent the gun from actually firing? Maybe a drug and alcohol filter of sorts? Like in cars for people who've been charged with drunk driving? Blow into a breathalyzer before the safety is released?
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
+1
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Twila View Post

It does until the buyers have to determine if the mental health condition could become something else and that something else has a violent component.

Most mental health issues have comorbidity. They can have a wee bit of something else alongside. Even a psychiatrist can't predict what aspects of another condition will, when, or how it will manifest.

Mental health issues are not going to be a successfull way to monitor who's having a gun and what they'll do with it.

At some point in time most mentally healthy individuals will suffer from the effects of dementia. For North Americans, that stage of life can come much much earlier and unpredictably.

Maybe guns could be developed with a monitor on them of some type. Fast heart rate, sweaty palms, etc prevent the gun from actually firing? Maybe a drug and alcohol filter of sorts? Like in cars for people who've been charged with drunk driving? Blow into a breathalyzer before the safety is released?

That decision would be made by the government in its decision to give the buyer a permit to buy or not. If you are taking drugs to help the condition, the doctor should put a note in the patient's file which should flag that patient as a 'no' to the government. I think if a doctor gives you a failing eye test, he is required to add a note such that you can't renew your drivers license without glasses.

But there will always be the otherwise normal guy who snaps. Unfortunately, this person will find access to a gun or knife and do what they are going to do. But we can at least stop the crazies we know about.
 
bobnoorduyn
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by Twila View Post



Maybe guns could be developed with a monitor on them of some type. Fast heart rate, sweaty palms, etc prevent the gun from actually firing?


So it would not fire at precisely the time you need it to in the event of a predator attack.








Quote: Originally Posted by Twila View Post



Maybe a drug and alcohol filter of sorts? Like in cars for people who've been charged with drunk driving? Blow into a breathalyzer before the safety is released?


Almost all legal firearms owners haven't been charged, let alone convicted of anything. A system like that would outpace the cost of a firearm by no less than 2:1.
 
taxslave
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by Frankiedoodle View Post

Surely someone can tell me how the seller of a gun, is going to determine the lifetime of mental health competency of a potential buyer. Or is the plan just something to make us think we are safe from mass murderers.

It is not up to the seller. As long as the prospective purchaser has a FAC the government has deemed him/her mentally stable.
 
bluebyrd35
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by Frankiedoodle View Post

Surely someone can tell me how the seller of a gun, is going to determine the lifetime of mental health competency of a potential buyer. Or is the plan just something to make us think we are safe from mass murderers.

Well, even the Canadian mentally ill are resulting to knives. Thankfully, very few victims die, but live to tell the tale. Isn't that the purpose??... to limit the number of deaths by those with limited mental stability along with those with an anger management problem.
 
Twila
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35 View Post

Well, even the Canadian mentally ill are resulting to knives. Thankfully, very few victims die, but live to tell the tale. Isn't that the purpose??... to limit the number of deaths by those with limited mental stability along with those with an anger management problem.


Sounds reasonable.

Good thing we're not in Iowa...
If Iowa law passes, children can use handguns
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...arry-handguns/
 

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