Gun Control is Completely Useless.


Spade
Free Thinker
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#1831
A reminder...
 
bluebyrd35
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#1832
AND the blatherer is:----

"WHOA, hold on. Is owning a gun anymore of a privilege than owning a can opener? Who do you suggest should be paid because I own a gun? How is paying going to make me more aware when it's stolen. Let's talk some common sense here?" QUOTE


Is not one of your main objections to the gun registry the cost?? So instead of the cost being spread over all taxpayers, then, you the gun owners should be paying. If car registrations and licenses are expected for the privilege of owning one, why should gun owners be exempted from the same costs. Why should those who don't own guns have to pay for those that do??

Is that enough of an answer for you!!

If you meant the RCMP raids, actually they did afford some protection from the bottlers who drank directly from the spigots. Made for interesting breaks & lunch times. The raids cut down on the vicious brawls over which table was who's for awhile. The lunch room was shared by office and plant workers. It was quite scarey the first few times, encountering brawlers rolling around on the floor. Ate a lot of lunches at my desk in the beginning.

Quote: Originally Posted by Spade View Post

A reminder...

Not about to happen anytime soon though.
 
DaSleeper
+1
#1833
Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35 View Post

No, I do not demand you lose your precious guns. I demand you PAY for the privilege of having them; and make it possible to know when they have been stolen. Gun owner wannabes should also have to prove they are decently proficient in the handling of their weapons. While I am not comfortable with guns, my mother, sister & father all were. I also knew the woman, who was champion sharp shooter for several years. I have not qualms about target shooting. For years we had neighbours on both sides that shot at anything that moved, including one who shot at my young children & our dog on our own farm.

It is not wrong to give those paid to protect and serve, some chance to protect themselves in cases of domestic disputes or when a sniper sets up shop. I suspect the government learned it's lesson setting up the present program. The idea of knowing where weapons are is not a bad idea, unless one is paranoid about one's government. The recent events in eastern nations, proves it is possible to overthrow governments without being armed to the teeth.

This business of a police state being formed, without citizenery have all kinds of guns doesn't stand up. Simply making the majority of a population too poor to afford a reasonable life style, as well as muzzling all information outlets, and lowering educational standards is more efficient. You know the dumbing down effect which is becoming quite prevalent in some western countries.

Once again, you prove you don't know what the hell you're talking about....
First of all before you can buy a rifle, you have to pass a course, whether it gets registered or not...which cost money then there is a required test to get a POL(possession only licence)if you are ever out of your residence with a firearm....which cost money.
Then to purchase one you have to show a PAL (possession and acquisition licence) both the course and the test to get the license cost money.

Then to buy a restricted firearm....more money for another course and another licence plus you have to be a member of a club more money and someone that can vouch for you (usually the range-master of the club, plus an interview with a police officer.
So quit blowing smoke out your south end....
When the cat is away the mice are sure running around....If Colpy was on, he would have torn the above post to shreds......I won't bother because none of that post makes sense...I just touched on the obvious...It reminded me of a post by Abfet
 
bobnoorduyn
Free Thinker
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#1834
Quote: Originally Posted by jariax View Post



By that logic, a car registry is part of making cars illegal.
No, a gun registry, with its intended purpose, is intended to keep track of where the guns are.
Arguably, if you commit a crime or make a threat to kill your wife, then there may be an element of gun control.
Similarly, if you get caught drunk driving, they may take your car away.



The intention of my post was not to make an argument for gun control, but rather to dismiss Colpy's particularly flawed data analysis from which he somehow concluded that all gun control was useless, based on a few cherry-picked statistics.



Really? Perhaps you can explain to me why I have to wear a seatbelt when I get into a car, or why it is illegal to smoke marijuana, or why I can't give my 14 year old a glass of wine with dinner?

But again, you seem to be extrapolating the gun registry with gun control. These are not the same thing, and you have failed to establish that basis, therefore making the proceeding arguments irrelevant.



You say "a" gun registry, not "the" gun registry, and it's intended purpose was made crystal clear by Allan Rock. You can own as many unregistered vehicles as you want, you just can't drive them on public roads, but you can drive them on your own property or the race track. Driving an unregistered vehicle on a public road is an offense under provincial statutes, owning an unregistered firearm is a criminal offense under federal statutes, that is a huge difference.

Get caught driving drunk, driving dangerously, or "stunting" at they refer to it out here, and yes, they can impound your vehicle, but you usually get it back.


You seem to hold Colpy's data to a higher standard than that which was used in fovour of gun control. It was so terribly flawed that it prompted the then commissioner of the RCMP to draft a letter to parliament refuting it.

You don't "have" to wear a seatbelt, the only official penalty you will suffer is a fine. But studies were actually done showing that they reduced injuries, and seatbelts have been much improved upon in the years since. However, no one is satisfied in the nanny state until eveyone is bubblewrapped, which is why we now need to be helmeted while cycling, rollerblading, skateboarding, and in NS, skiing, but I digress. I marijuana weren't illegal before, it probably would be by now because smoking anything damn near is, but that is someone else's cross to bear. Your wine question has already been answered.

I am not extrapolating either, the government can and has re-classified non restricted firearms by order in council to relieve formerly legal guns from their law abiding owners without compensation. The Chretien government nearly succeeded in doing what the Trudeau government wanted in 1979.




Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

When the cat is away the mice are sure running around....If Colpy was on, he would have torn the above post to shreds......I won't bother because none of that post makes sense...I just touched on the obvious...It reminded me of a post by Abfet

Yeah, and I'm having internet troubles, it took me 3 hours to post my last comment, after 8 attempts, or I'd be like 'er like ugly on an ape, (ooooh, I'm sure that'll bring some insults). And the thing wouldn't even let me correct my typos.
 
JLM
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#1835
Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35 View Post

AND the blatherer is:----

"WHOA, hold on. Is owning a gun anymore of a privilege than owning a can opener? Who do you suggest should be paid because I own a gun? How is paying going to make me more aware when it's stolen. Let's talk some common sense here?" QUOTE


Is not one of your main objections to the gun registry the cost?? .

Yep, especially as the cost went from approx. $1million to $1 billion to accomplish what? Do criminals commit crimes with registered guns? If some bureaucrat feels it's necessary for gun venders to record information about the purchaser I have no problem with that. But for law abiding gun owners to have to register their is purely unnecessary harrassment. (I did register mine much to my chagrin) While I generally obey the law, I am not so stupid as to do so without thought or question. A smart gun owner would record the ser. # of his gun for his own protection in case of theft and would make sense, but to have it in some filing cabinet in Mirimichi N.B. would do a lot of good as by the time it's retrieved the criminal could be miles away!
 
L Gilbert
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#1836
Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35 View Post

No, I do not demand you lose your precious guns. I demand you PAY for the privilege of having them; and make it possible to know when they have been stolen.

People PAY for licenses and whatnot. So your demand is irrelevant.
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Gun owner wannabes should also have to prove they are decently proficient in the handling of their weapons.

Anyone that wants to own firearms has to PAY for and PASS a firearms proficiency test.

Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

So anyone who uses a registered gun to commit a crime is good and honest?

Is that what you read? What I said was that the registry is for the guns of good and honest people. That does not exclude that there may be dishonest people and some bad people that may have registered guns.
How you connected those two separate concepts, I have no idea.

Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35 View Post

Is not one of your main objections to the gun registry the cost?? So instead of the cost being spread over all taxpayers, then, you the gun owners should be paying.

As was done before the Gliberals messed with things.
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If car registrations and licenses are expected for the privilege of owning one, why should gun owners be exempted from the same costs.

Sounds fair to me as long as the gov't doesn't use more gunowner's money than they should. If the vehicle registry was just as useless and costly as the gun registry is, only the rich would be able to own and operate a vehicle.
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Why should those who don't own guns have to pay for those that do??

My kids are out of school, yet I am still paying taxes for education. Wife and I rarely get sick, yet we are still paying for healthcare.
 
ironsides
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#1837
To protect her 3-month-old son, Sarah McKinley grabs a shotgun, and asks 911 for permission to kill intruder.


Oklahoma Mother, 18, Kills Intruder Breaking Into Her Home While on Phone With 911 - Yahoo!
 
L Gilbert
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#1838
Quote: Originally Posted by ironsides View Post

To protect her 3-month-old son, Sarah McKinley grabs a shotgun, and asks 911 for permission to kill intruder.
Oklahoma Mother, 18, Kills Intruder Breaking Into Her Home While on Phone With 911 - Yahoo!

Impressive. Anna would have killed first, then phoned for permission. Me, too, for that matter.
 
ironsides
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#1839
Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

Impressive. Anna would have killed first, then phoned for permission. Me, too, for that matter.

I know of no one who would question what she did.
 
L Gilbert
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#1840
Quote: Originally Posted by ironsides View Post

I know of no one who would question what she did.

Me either.
 
bluebyrd35
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#1841
[QUOTE=DaSleeper;1529091]Once again, you prove you don't know what the hell you're talking about....
First of all before you can buy a rifle, you have to pass a course, whether it gets registered or not...which cost money then there is a required test to get a POL(possession only licreence)if you are ever out of your residence with a firearm....which cost money.
Then to purchase one you have to show a PAL (possession and acquisition licence) both the course and the test to get the license cost money.

Then to buy a restricted firearm....more money for another course and another licence plus you have to be a member of a club more money and someone that can vouch for you (usually the range-master of the club, plus an interview with a police officer.
So quit blowing smoke out your south end....
When the cat is away the mice are sure running around....If Colpy was on, he would have torn the above post to shreds......I won't bother because none of that post makes sense...I just touched on the obvious...It reminded me of a post by Abfet[/QUOTE)

Sorry DS I do know about the regulations in effect for owning a rifle. I am very happy with the cost applicable to owning a weapon.

I happen to feel that any weapon should be registered & the reigstration of such a weapon should be viewed as an obligation of an honest and decent member of a Canadian citizen to comply with provincial & Canadian laws . May I ask why you feel you must be allowed to fly under the radar of law and order??

My dear, I have learned a great deal since being gang raped. Don't count on.acquience ever again. I am not a mouse, but the lion that has learned how to roar. Beware of my claws & know I will politely go for the jugular.
Last edited by bluebyrd35; Jan 4th, 2012 at 07:53 PM..
 
Spade
Free Thinker
+1
#1842
Radios used to be licenced. Mind you, you couldn't kill too easily with a superhetrodyne. Best in the New Year, Bob, et al.
 
bluebyrd35
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#1843
[QUOTE=ironsides;1529112]To protect her 3-month-old son, Sarah McKinley grabs a shotgun, and asks 911 for permission to kill intruder.


Oklahoma Mother, 18, Kills Intruder Breaking Into Her Home While on Phone With 911 - Yahoo! [/QUOTE)

If she has had the course and paid for the license and has the gun registered, she has the right to fire the weapon and injure or kill the intruder. Otherwise, she can hit the bugger over the head with her baseball bat. No one gets in my house without my hearing them enter. My bats are behind many doors.

Don't shoot an intruder in Quebec without making sure you are able to prove it was a forced entry. Many who have shot people without such proof were charged.
Last edited by bluebyrd35; Jan 4th, 2012 at 07:50 PM..
 
DaSleeper
+3
#1844
Quote: Originally Posted by Spade View Post

Radios used to be licenced. Mind you, you couldn't kill too easily with a superhetrodyne. Best in the New Year, Bob, et al.

Yep used to have a license for a mere 4 watts CB radio

Can't convince one of those PC antis...

I'll buy her a beer to cry in when the registration gets finaly repealed...
And now the drama queen is claiming gang rape as an argument that she's right ROLMAO...
 
gerryh
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#1845
Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35 View Post

My dear, I have learned a great deal since being gang raped. Don't count on.acquience ever again. I am not a mouse, but the lion that has learned how to roar. Beware of my claws & know I will politely go for the jugular.


I had problems with this one before, but after seeing this....... I call all out BULLSHYTE. I can think of no reason what so ever for a person to bring something like this up out of the blue.
 
Spade
Free Thinker
#1846
Gerry, cool; what if it were true.
 
gerryh
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#1847
Quote: Originally Posted by Spade View Post

Gerry, cool; what if it were true.


What if it was true? What does it have with this discussion?
 
Spade
Free Thinker
+1
#1848
Charity
 
gerryh
#1849
Quote: Originally Posted by Spade View Post

Charity

horseshyte
 
bluebyrd35
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#1850
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Yep used to have a license for a mere 4 watts CB radio

Can't convince one of those PC antis...

I'll buy her a beer to cry in when the registration gets finaly repealed...
And now the drama queen is claiming gang rape as an argument that she's right ROLMAO...

Good Lord, I am not the drama queen, and I do not need a bunch of buddies to back me up. Pacifying me cost more than a blooming beer!!

Are all your girls that cheap?? And how many big strong, gun toting, verbal gang bangers did it take to insult, revile and stomp all over one woman?? Care to count the lot of you?? As I said, the cost should be very high to own a weapon. Alll firearms should be registered and if stolen need to be reported as such. NOT JUST one or two of the kind easily hidden but all firearms.
 
DaSleeper
+3 / -1
#1851
Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35 View Post

Good Lord, I am not the drama queen, and I do not need a bunch of buddies to back me up. Pacifying me cost more than a blooming beer!!

Are all your girls that cheap?? And how many big strong, gun toting, verbal gang bangers did it take to insult, revile and stomp all over one woman?? Care to count the lot of you?? As I said, the cost should be very high to own a weapon. Alll firearms should be registered and if stolen need to be reported as such. NOT JUST one or two of the kind easily hidden but all firearms.

Lady...a while ago...I was trying to be polite...but Gerry had it right in calling bullshyte.

The last drama queen we had before, A guy had a similar abuse story to tell to get pity..he finally admited to the bull****e just before getting banned...

You want your back rubbed? apply to go on DR Phil show...you have just lost all the cedibility you might have had.
Last edited by DaSleeper; Jan 4th, 2012 at 09:29 PM..
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+1 / -2
#1852
Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35 View Post

No, I do not demand you lose your precious guns. I demand you PAY for the privilege of having them; and make it possible to know when they have been stolen. Gun owner wannabes should also have to prove they are decently proficient in the handling of their weapons. While I am not comfortable with guns, my mother, sister & father all were. I also knew the woman, who was champion sharp shooter for several years. I have not qualms about target shooting. For years we had neighbours on both sides that shot at anything that moved, including one who shot at my young children & our dog on our own farm.

It is not wrong to give those paid to protect and serve, some chance to protect themselves in cases of domestic disputes or when a sniper sets up shop. I suspect the government learned it's lesson setting up the present program. The idea of knowing where weapons are is not a bad idea, unless one is paranoid about one's government. The recent events in eastern nations, proves it is possible to overthrow governments without being armed to the teeth.

This business of a police state being formed, without citizenery have all kinds of guns doesn't stand up. Simply making the majority of a population too poor to afford a reasonable life style, as well as muzzling all information outlets, and lowering educational standards is more efficient. You know the dumbing down effect which is becoming quite prevalent in some western countries.

I demand that stupid people like you go live in a communist country where citizens are not permitted to own guns or think for themselves.. It fits with your mentality.
If you had even the smallest bit of reality about you then you would be demanding that criminals give up their guns and leave law abiding taxpayers alone.
Some of my rifles have been in the family for three generations and are over 100 years old. None have ever been used against a human so why should I pay anyone for the right to keep my personal property?

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

Impressive. Anna would have killed first, then phoned for permission. Me, too, for that matter.

Yeah this bulls hit about asking some bureaucrat's blessing every time you turn around has got to stop. Any time you remove a criminal from circulation you should get a medal or a bounty.
 
bobnoorduyn
Free Thinker
+2
#1853
Quote: Originally Posted by Spade View Post

Radios used to be licenced. Mind you, you couldn't kill too easily with a superhetrodyne. Best in the New Year, Bob, et al.

Спосибо Spade, Здоровья в Новом году to you and yours.

Quote: Originally Posted by ironsides View Post

To protect her 3-month-old son, Sarah McKinley grabs a shotgun, and asks 911 for permission to kill intruder.



Better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission, you might die waiting for the latter.

 
ironsides
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#1854
[QUOTE=DaSleeper;1529177]Yep used to have a license for a mere 4 watts CB radio

[/QUOT


2Q0649 - Still remember it.
 
DaSleeper
#1855
Funny you should say that, mine was XM4782**.....can't remember the last two numbers....but up north, the only time we used that was when talking on single sideband skip....
 
In Between Man
Free Thinker
#1856
Teen Mom Sarah McKinley Kills Intruder While on Phone With 911: Accomplice in Court - YouTube
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#1857
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

I demand that stupid people like you go live in a communist country where citizens are not permitted to own guns or think for themselves.. It fits with your mentality.
If you had even the smallest bit of reality about you then you would be demanding that criminals give up their guns and leave law abiding taxpayers alone.
Some of my rifles have been in the family for three generations and are over 100 years old. None have ever been used against a human so why should I pay anyone for the right to keep my personal property?



Yeah this bulls hit about asking some bureaucrat's blessing every time you turn around has got to stop. Any time you remove a criminal from circulation you should get a medal or a bounty.

In a critical moment like that, how does she have time to ask for permission to kill?? Was it to kill or to shoot ?? Isn't she setting up the 911 operator as a co conspirator??
 
DaSleeper
+1
#1858
Quote: Originally Posted by In Between Man View Post

Teen Mom Sarah McKinley Kills Intruder While on Phone With 911: Accomplice in Court - YouTube

Good on her...she did the right thing.
 
In Between Man
Free Thinker
+1
#1859
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

In a critical moment like that, how does she have time to ask for permission to kill??

What do you mean "how does she have the time"? She's already got 911 on the line, and with the intruder still trying to gain access to where she was, she had a couple seconds to clarify with the dispatcher. Silly question.

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Was it to kill or to shoot ??

To DEFEND.

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Isn't she setting up the 911 operator as a co conspirator??

No. For there to be a co-conspirator, there would have to be a conspiracy in the first place, which there wasn't. When the perpetrator was trying to break in, she didn't think to herself "oh goodie, this is my chance to satisfy my bloodlust and take a human life". There was nothing sinister about what she did, only the desire to preserve human life.
 
ironsides
No Party Affiliation
+1
#1860
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

In a critical moment like that, how does she have time to ask for permission to kill?? Was it to kill or to shoot ?? Isn't she setting up the 911 operator as a co conspirator??

18 year old girl with baby, intruders trying to break in. Dispatcher knew police would not get there in time. yes, telling her to shoot was the correct response.