Tea Party group FreedomWorks: Republican Party could split in two


Icarus27k
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FreedomWorks chief Matt Kibbe said Friday that divisions on the right could cause the Republican Party to split in two.

During an apperance on CSPAN, the tea party leader responded to a piece in The Washington Times indcating that some "prominent Republicans are saying that if the GOP loses the 2016 presidential elections, the party will go the way of the Whigs — or formally split into a moderate party and a conservative party."

FreedomWorks CEO: 'A Real Possibility' That The GOP Splits In Two



Yes, this would be an improving development.
 
hunboldt
Free Thinker
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Unfortunately, the 1852-54 Whig split produced a badly split America. The South finally seceded under a democratic Admin.( Buchanan's)
Lincoln did attempt to patch the union together before the Civil War. It was the 1880's before you saw the Democratic party rise to temporary provenance, and 1912 before another Republican split elected the unfortunate Wilson admin.
 
damngrumpy
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The Republicans would be way better off without the Tea Party.
The Tea Party is mainly unbalanced people with a hidden agenda
all their own. Many believe they are grass roots not so. They are
ultra conservatives and social conservatives.
The government will not shut down again for decades people will
not stand for it and the media will condemn the Republicans for this
one come the election.
 
Walter
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Good. Both the Dems and the establishment Repubs are the same. A true conservative party is needed and the will do well since more Americans are conservative than not.

"Conservatives" Are Single-Largest Ideological Group

Conservatives Remain the Largest Ideological Group in U.S.

Gallup: Americans More Conservative Than Liberal on Social Issues, But Liberals Are Gaining | CNS News
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Good. Both the Dems and the establishment Repubs are the same. A true conservative party is needed and the will do well since more Americans are conservative than not.

"Conservatives" Are Single-Largest Ideological Group

Conservatives Remain the Largest Ideological Group in U.S.

Gallup: Americans More Conservative Than Liberal on Social Issues, But Liberals Are Gaining | CNS News

I wonder in the Southern States how close some vote were between the D & R parties for Congress. Going by some numbers it could mean the Dems control both Houses and the Presidency.
 
gopher
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Quote: Originally Posted by Icarus27k View Post

FreedomWorks chief Matt Kibbe said Friday that divisions on the right could cause the Republican Party to split in two.

During an apperance on CSPAN, the tea party leader responded to a piece in The Washington Times indcating that some "prominent Republicans are saying that if the GOP loses the 2016 presidential elections, the party will go the way of the Whigs — or formally split into a moderate party and a conservative party."

FreedomWorks CEO: 'A Real Possibility' That The GOP Splits In Two



Yes, this would be an improving development.



The Tea Baggers have proven to be the best friends the Democrats have had in a long time.
 
Kreskin
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The fringe loudmouths have hijacked America. Both parties should boot out the nuts and get on with it.
 
Liberalman
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That’s what happened in Canada the Alberta tea party Conservatives split from the Progressive Conservatives that is why we have a f*scist federal government.
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman View Post

That’s what happened in Canada the Alberta tea party Conservatives split from the Progressive Conservatives that is why we have a f*scist federal government.




Well, Canadians voted overwhelming for it.


 
Walter
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Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman View Post

That’s what happened in Canada the Alberta tea party Conservatives split from the Progressive Conservatives that is why we have a f*scist federal government.

Typical leftard hyperbole. If we had a fascist gubmint you'd be in a camp to be re-educated. Arbeit macht frei.
Last edited by Walter; Oct 19th, 2013 at 08:53 AM..
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Typical leftard hyperbole. If we had a fascist gubmint you'd be in a camp to be re-educated. [/FONT]


Don't worry so much about liberalman, he's of the mind that any form of gubmint that doesn't comply lock-step with his ideals is fascist... Ironic though ain't it; that's exactly what fascists believe in
 
hunboldt
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

Don't worry so much about liberalman, he's of the mind that any form of gubmint that doesn't comply lock-step with his ideals is fascist... Ironic though ain't it; that's exactly what fascists believe in


I have the uncanny feeling that you are reacting to his Photo. You certainly are 180 degrees off topic!
 
pgs
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy View Post

The Republicans would be way better off without the Tea Party.
The Tea Party is mainly unbalanced people with a hidden agenda
all their own. Many believe they are grass roots not so. They are
ultra conservatives and social conservatives.
The government will not shut down again for decades people will
not stand for it and the media will condemn the Republicans for this
one come the election.

The media already and always condemns the republicans what will be different.
Feeling you are taxed enough already is apparently unbalanced. Wanting smaller government is a hidden agenda now.
What mean people they must be sort of remind me of the reform party wanting to govern in Canada . Oh Wait.
 
coldstream
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The Tea Party is in fact NOT a Conservative Party. It is a Libertarian Party.. that through the efforts of extremely well funded sources has attached itself to like a parasite to the Republican Party.

It in fact has NO allegiance or respect to Social Conservatism.. which is an afront to Libertarian principles which rejects all institutional and religious constraints on human freedom of action, even those of conscience. It has no respect for Economic Conservatism.. as this has traditionally been associated with economic nationalism.. and structural regulation of markets in the common interest.

The Tea Party in completely dishonest when it portrays itself as Conservative.. when in fact it is a spawn of Free Market and Anti-clerical 18th Century British Liberalism.. itself a product of the Enlightenment philosophies which promoted a cult of radical individualism and moral relativism.

It will ultimately suck the lifeblood out of the Republican Party.. as once its true character is understood.. it can count on no more than 5% of electoral support.. recluses living in trailer parks and fed a diet of Glen Beck and Ayn Rand.. and otherwise illiterate.
Last edited by coldstream; Oct 19th, 2013 at 12:58 PM..
 
pgs
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Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream View Post

The Tea Party is in fact NOT a Conservative Party. It is a Libertarian Party.. that through the efforts of extremely well funded sources has attached itself to like a parasite to the Republican Party.

It in fact has NO allegiance or respect to Social Conservatism.. which is an afront to Libertarian principles which rejects all institutional and religious constraints on human freedom of action, even those of conscience. It has no respect for Economic Conservatism.. as this has traditionally been associated with economic nationalism.. and regulation of markets in the common interest.

The Tea Party in completely dishonest when it portrays itself as Conservative.. when if fact it is a spawn of Free Market and Anti-clerical 18th Century British Liberalism.. itself a product of the Enlightenment philosophies which promoted a cult of radical individualism and moral relativism.

It will ultimately suck the lifeblood out of the Republican Party.. as once its true character is understood.. it can count on no more than 5% of electoral support.. recluses living in trailer parks and fed a diet of Glen Beck and Ayn Rand.. and otherwise illiterate.

A lot of big words for a group of illiterates. Who are those well funded sources with proof please. Evil people wanting rational government.
 
coldstream
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Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

A lot of big words for a group of illiterates. Who are those well funded sources with proof please. Evil people wanting rational government.

A list of the major funders of the Tea Party and its murky history.. beginning the DuPont effort to De-rail FDRs New Deal.. up to the Koch Brothers, whose combined wealth is second only to Warren Buffet and Bill Gates.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html

But they can count on any number of flounderers, neurotics and failures, befuddled by the complexities of modern society, rejecting all aspects of common responsibility. These attach themselves to movements who reject all common sense and and responsible government by way of a completely false and ideologically defined concept of 'freedom'.

They hand themselves over dictates of those who cynically manipulate them and are driven only by greed and powerlust... and a delusion that their wealth is solely a product of their own 'genius'.. and that they owe nothing beyond satisfying their own material gratification.

It's surprising how many rich supporters of the Tea Party in fact have never produced anything of value in their lives. They have either inherited their wealth (as with the Koch brothers) or made it by market and currency manipulation, feeding off the dreprivation of others.. and feel this entitles them to freedom from taxation or social obligation.

Warren Buffet is an example of responsible wealth.. who has rejected Free Trade, called for a minimum 30% tax on the rich, a re-regulation of financial markets, re-nationalization of currency and credit and measures for equitably distributing wealth... the only hope to avoid a catastrophic economic collapse which the libertarian policies which rule the West now.. will inevitably lead us to.
Last edited by coldstream; Oct 19th, 2013 at 01:47 PM..
 
pgs
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Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream View Post

A list of the major funders of the Tea Party and its murky history.. beginning the DuPont effort to De-rail FDRs New Deal.. up to the Koch Brothers, whose combined wealth is second only to Warren Buffet and Bill Gates.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html

But they can count on any number of flounderers, neurotics and failures, befuddled by the complexities of modern society, rejecting all aspects of common responsibility. These attach themselves to movements who reject all common sense and and responsible government by way of a completely false and ideologically defined concept of 'freedom'.

They hand themselves over dictates of those who cynically manipulate them and are driven only by greed and powerlust... and a delusion that their wealth is solely a product of their own 'genius'.. and that they owe nothing beyond satisfying their own material gratification.

It's surprising how many rich supporters of the Tea Party in fact have never produced anything of value in their lives. They have either inherited their wealth (as with the Koch brothers) or made it by market and currency manipulation, feeding off the dreprivation of others.. and feel this entitles them to freedom from taxation or social obligation.

Warren Buffet is an example of responsible wealth.. who has rejected Free Trade, called for a minimum 30% tax on the rich, a re-regulation of financial markets, re-nationalization of currency and credit and measures for equitably distributing wealth... the only hope to avoid a catastrophic economic collapse which the libertarian policies which rule the West now.. will inevitably lead us to.

N.Y. RED TIMES opinion writer Rich is not proof it is a left leaning journalists opinion.

Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream View Post

A list of the major funders of the Tea Party and its murky history.. beginning the DuPont effort to De-rail FDRs New Deal.. up to the Koch Brothers, whose combined wealth is second only to Warren Buffet and Bill Gates.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html

But they can count on any number of flounderers, neurotics and failures, befuddled by the complexities of modern society, rejecting all aspects of common responsibility. These attach themselves to movements who reject all common sense and and responsible government by way of a completely false and ideologically defined concept of 'freedom'.

They hand themselves over dictates of those who cynically manipulate them and are driven only by greed and powerlust... and a delusion that their wealth is solely a product of their own 'genius'.. and that they owe nothing beyond satisfying their own material gratification.

It's surprising how many rich supporters of the Tea Party in fact have never produced anything of value in their lives. They have either inherited their wealth (as with the Koch brothers) or made it by market and currency manipulation, feeding off the dreprivation of others.. and feel this entitles them to freedom from taxation or social obligation.

Warren Buffet is an example of responsible wealth.. who has rejected Free Trade, called for a minimum 30% tax on the rich, a re-regulation of financial markets, re-nationalization of currency and credit and measures for equitably distributing wealth... the only hope to avoid a catastrophic economic collapse which the libertarian policies which rule the West now.. will inevitably lead us to.

Was that one off Buffets oil cars that derailed in Alberta yesterday? Responsible my eye.
 
Walter
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Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

N.Y. RED TIMES opinion writer Rich is not proof it is a left leaning journalists opinion.


Was that one off Buffets oil cars that derailed in Alberta yesterday? Responsible my eye.

Stop confusing Coldtrickle.
 
hunboldt
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

The media already and always condemns the republicans what will be different.
Feeling you are taxed enough already is apparently unbalanced. Wanting smaller government is a hidden agenda now.
What mean people they must be sort of remind me of the reform party wanting to govern in Canada . Oh Wait.


a split in the republican party guarantees a Democratic majority in both houses, plus the white house.
Do you really believe more that an tinkle of Americans will Vote Tea Bagger?
Amusing.
 
gopher
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Quote: Originally Posted by hunboldt View Post

a split in the republican party guarantees a Democratic majority in both houses, plus the white house.
Do you really believe more that an tinkle of Americans will Vote Tea Bagger?
Amusing.



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I haven't seen the Republicans in this type of disarray since the days of the Watergate fiasco. Whether they like it or not, they will simply have to give up their extremist radical agenda and learn to compromise if they want to win the American majority.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by walter View Post

good. Both the dems and the establishment repubs are the same. A true conservative party is needed and the will do well since more americans are conservative than not.

"conservatives" are single-largest ideological group

conservatives remain the largest ideological group in u.s.

gallup: Americans more conservative than liberal on social issues, but liberals are gaining | cns news

roflmao

Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman View Post

That’s what happened in Canada the Alberta tea party Conservatives split from the Progressive Conservatives that is why we have a f*scist federal government.

Actually we replaced the facists with conservatives.
 
Spade
Free Thinker
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Tea Partiers leaving their cozy Republican mansion?
frankly my dear i don't give a damn - YouTube
 
hunboldt
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by Icarus27k View Post

FreedomWorks chief Matt Kibbe said Friday that divisions on the right could cause the Republican Party to split in two.

During an apperance on CSPAN, the tea party leader responded to a piece in The Washington Times indcating that some "prominent Republicans are saying that if the GOP loses the 2016 presidential elections, the party will go the way of the Whigs — or formally split into a moderate party and a conservative party."

FreedomWorks CEO: 'A Real Possibility' That The GOP Splits In Two



Yes, this would be an improving development.

Esp. If the split is only partial:


Janus cat party, America?
 
BaalsTears
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Classical Liberalism can no longer thrive in America. That being the case America no longer has a reason to exist. It's time to move past the idea of the United States of America.
 
Tonington
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Quote: Originally Posted by BaalsTears View Post

Classical Liberalism can no longer thrive in America. That being the case America no longer has a reason to exist. It's time to move past the idea of the United States of America.

Yes, move beyond the idea of the United States of America, and try to actually practice it.
 
BaalsTears
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington View Post

Yes, move beyond the idea of the United States of America, and try to actually practice it.

Which aspects of Classical Liberalism are you referring to? The philosophy has many components.
 

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