Privatize Canada Post Parcel Delivery


CalgaryFred
-1
#1
Canada Post Parcel Delivery should be privatized. That is the only way that users of the service will get proper service. Currently, the unionized, coddled, anti-service employees are not interested in doing their jobs, so they should not have them. Cut their salaries by half, and get some people in there who value having a job and who take pride in doing their job well.
Let the free market set the postal rates for parcel delivery.
UPS, FedEx, or other large courier companies could bid to take over the parcel service and vastly improve the service for Canadians.
I look forward to your comments.
Thank you.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
#2
The "for profit" sector can't compete with fax and e-mail - even by getting rid of union and manpower
 
Corduroy
+1 / -1
#3
What's wrong with the postal service? All you got is the employees don't like their jobs and they're paid too much.
 
Chev
No Party Affiliation
#4
CalgaryFred, be more specific with whatever your issues are.. Did you maybe have to go to a postal outlet to pick up a parcel because you weren't home, or what? If you don't like Canada Post, you are more than welcome to go to UPS or FedEx. Actually, maybe we would prefer if you did.
 
weaselwords
No Party Affiliation
#5
If I remember correctly Canada Post already owns the very competitive "Purolator Courier" for commercial deliveries. So why would you use Parcel Post for anything other than residential delivery. Or are you suggesting Canada Post sell off both Parcel Post & Purolator?
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
+1
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by CalgaryFred View Post

Canada Post Parcel Delivery should be privatized. That is the only way that users of the service will get proper service. Currently, the unionized, coddled, anti-service employees are not interested in doing their jobs, so they should not have them. Cut their salaries by half, and get some people in there who value having a job and who take pride in doing their job well.
Let the free market set the postal rates for parcel delivery.
UPS, FedEx, or other large courier companies could bid to take over the parcel service and vastly improve the service for Canadians.
I look forward to your comments.
Thank you.

I know I have no idea what all the ramifications are but I know several times I've been quite chagrinned at having to pay over $6 to mail something the size of my thumb.

Have no idea what the current rates are but quite recently it was cheaper to ship by Greyhound and generally faster too.
 
Liberalman
Free Thinker
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

I know I have no idea what all the ramifications are but I know several times I've been quite chagrinned at having to pay over $6 to mail something the size of my thumb.

Have no idea what the current rates are but quite recently it was cheaper to ship by Greyhound and generally faster too.

Greyhound is cheaper because it only delivers to the bus station and the customer has to pick the parcel up there.

Conservative governments in the past have tried to privatize Canada Post as a whole but because the deal is every person will get mail delivery big corporations have not stepped up to the plate.



Rural delivery is a big money loser but city delivery is a big moneymaker.

Canada Post is on a new program to cut down the amount of employees to save money by introducing community mail boxes on the street corners in the big cities so tthat everyone can pick up there mail and door to door delivery would be history.

Delivering to community mail boxes takes less employees.
 
CDNBear
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman View Post

Greyhound is cheaper because it only delivers to the bus station and the customer has to pick the parcel up there.

Incorrect.

Quote:

Does GCX deliver to homes and apartments?
Yes. Greyhound Courier Express offers Door to Door service in most major locations. Residential surcharge may apply.

Greyhound Courier Express - FAQ

But I can forgive you for being an uninformed Liberal.

Quote:

Canada Post is on a new program to cut down the amount of employees to save money by introducing community mail boxes on the street corners in the big cities so tthat everyone can pick up there mail and door to door delivery would be history.

So in other words, less service, for more money. Very Liberal of them.

Quote:

Delivering to community mail boxes takes less employees.

And yet the cost savings isn't being seen.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
+1
#9
First, a letter went by pony. Then it moved faster by train. Then they killed passenger trains and railroad postal cars and went CUPW - and the ponies have been laughing ever since
 
Liberalman
Free Thinker
#10
[QUOTE][And yet the cost savings isn't being seen./QUOTE]

CDNBear the cost savings will never be seen because it will be re-invested because it is a crown corporation now if Canada Post would lose that and be bought back to the federal government then you could see it.
 
CDNBear
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman View Post

CDNBear the cost savings will never be seen because it will be re-invested because it is a crown corporation now if Canada Post would lose that and be bought back to the federal government then you could see it.

Can you straighten out the grammar errors in that, so I can understand what you're trying to say?
 
petros
#12
I wouldn't trust my mail to someone in a private firm. No ****ing way!
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

I wouldn't trust my mail to someone in a private firm. No ****ing way!

Not if it was a reputable private firm? Of course they would have to be bonded.
 
petros
#14
Name a reputable private firm.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Name a reputable private firm.

Loomis?
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
#16
Will they deliver for a 59-cent-stamp?
 
coldstream
+1
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by CalgaryFred View Post

Canada Post Parcel Delivery should be privatized. That is the only way that users of the service will get proper service. Currently, the unionized, coddled, anti-service employees are not interested in doing their jobs, so they should not have them. Cut their salaries by half, and get some people in there who value having a job and who take pride in doing their job well.
Let the free market set the postal rates for parcel delivery.
UPS, FedEx, or other large courier companies could bid to take over the parcel service and vastly improve the service for Canadians.
I look forward to your comments.
Thank you.


This seems to be the rote response now to anything that smacks of government or unions. In fact now we a have a concerted campaign by neoconservative, libertarian elements to eliminate unions, and any dirigist role for government in managing the economy, and providing a level playing field for business, consumers and workers. It's a prescription for economic collapse and societal dissolution.

Without unions we would not have 40 hr. work weeks, safe working conditions, fair wages. In fact the realization global corporate utopia that the neocons envisage will produce a crisis unlike anything we have seen in centuries. We got just a little taste of it in 2008, but that is nothing compared to what we can expect.

Only a fool sees anything good coming from a situation where neither the electorate nor the worker is represented by institutions (of government or unions), and ae completey amoral and rapacious global investment organism rules our destiny.
 
bill barilko
+2
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As bad as Canada Post is private couriers are even worse.

They deliver @ times most people aren't home and if you want pickup you have to drive to distant suburbs on the weekend-been there/done that.
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
+1
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream View Post

Without unions we would not have 40 hr. work weeks, safe working conditions, fair wages. In fact the realization global corporate utopia that the neocons envisage will produce a crisis unlike anything we have seen in centuries. We got just a little taste of it in 2008, but that is nothing compared to what we can expect.


Unions had their place. It's a good thing that they where formed & accomplished what they did.
We now already have 40 hr. work weeks, safe working conditions, fair wages, etc...so what're
they doing now? What role do (& are) they playing currently?

I can work a 40 hr work week if I choose to. This month is typical, & I'll have worked about 240hrs
or so when it's all said & done....by my choice. My employer pay's overtime for any time worked
after 160hrs (not the 168hrs of Labour laws, or after 8hrs/day, etc...), with no shortage of work
what so ever. Usually the last 1/3 of the month is overtime for me. Works for me, & no union.
My choice....not a unions. If I didn't like that wage & time, I could go elsewhere. So again,
we now already have 40 hr. work weeks, safe working conditions, fair wages, etc...so what're
Unions doing for us now? What role do (& are) they playing currently?
 
CalgaryFred
#20
Lots of interesting replies. Thanks. I should clarify. I think that the parcel delivery service of Canada Post should be privatized, not the letter regular service. I see a national-unity need for continuing letter delivery to every address in the country.
CP parcel carriers will drop off a notice in my mail box but they never knock on my door. I work from home, my desk is 16 feet from the door, I even hear when someone knocks on my neighbour's door (I live in a townhouse); it is not the case that I do not hear them.
Private couriers always knock and I always hear them.
I complained many times years ago and nothing improved. I gave up.
Yesterday, I experienced another no-knock notice dropoff, and I just blew my top. I ranted and said a few things that I am not proud of -- I am not anti-union; I worked in a unionized workplace for 12 years and I know the tricks that we were taught by other unionized employees in order to make more work hours for ourselves, so I wonder whether this no-knock practice is an attempt to require two notice drop off trips for each package.
Private couriers always knock and I always hear them. I have never had to go down to UPS or FedEX to get my parcels; they even re-deliver; CP does not! I always have to go down to the drug store to get my CP parcels.
Maybe union protection has gone too far and the pendulum has to swing a little the other way. Or, maybe the reason for parcel carriers not knocking lies elsewhere. I wish a CP parcel delivery person would add their input to this conversation.
 
Chev
No Party Affiliation
#21
“CalgaryFred
I wish a CP parcel delivery person would add their input to this conversation.”
Can’t help what goes on in Calgary, but am going to ask ‘our’ drivers in Edmonton what they do and how long they wait at doors of homes… I do know that some days they have hundreds of parcels to deliver and don’t have ‘all day’ to wait for someone to come to the door of a home/townhouse/apartment. The drivers have 8 hour shifts and have to do all they can in those hours.
Excuse me but as I said before: "If you don't like Canada Post, you are more than welcome to go to UPS or FedEx. Actually, maybe we would prefer if you did."

Quote: Originally Posted by Chev View Post

“CalgaryFred
I wish a CP parcel delivery person would add their input to this conversation.”
Can’t help what goes on in Calgary, but am going to ask ‘our’ drivers in Edmonton what they do and how long they wait at doors of homes… I do know that some days they have hundreds of parcels to deliver and don’t have ‘all day’ to wait for someone to come to the door of a home/townhouse/apartment. The drivers have 8 hour shifts and have to do all they can in those hours.
Excuse me but as I said before: "If you don't like Canada Post, you are more than welcome to go to UPS or FedEx. Actually, maybe we would prefer if you did."

Yes, I work at a Canada Post RETAIL OUTLET...
 
Liberalman
Free Thinker
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by Chev View Post




Yes, I work at a Canada Post RETAIL OUTLET...

A real post office or the drug store one?
 
jjaycee98
Conservative
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Loomis?

LOOMIS-they have been out of Business for nearly 10 years-bought out by DHL-where have you been?
 
weaselwords
No Party Affiliation
#24
Fred it's not Canada Post thats's the bugaboo here it's your shipper. If they are not willing to pay the the buck & a half for a delivery signature or not shipping COD it's not necessary for CP to knock on your door. You get the service you pay for.
 
Liberalman
Free Thinker
#25
Canada Post willo strike in the next few weeks because of rollbacks so you will have the opportunity to try out the other companies delivery services so open your money bags because you will pay through the nose
 
eh1eh
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by CalgaryFred View Post

Lots of interesting replies. Thanks. I should clarify. I think that the parcel delivery service of Canada Post should be privatized, not the letter regular service. I see a national-unity need for continuing letter delivery to every address in the country.
CP parcel carriers will drop off a notice in my mail box but they never knock on my door. I work from home, my desk is 16 feet from the door, I even hear when someone knocks on my neighbour's door (I live in a townhouse); it is not the case that I do not hear them.
Private couriers always knock and I always hear them.
I complained many times years ago and nothing improved. I gave up.
Yesterday, I experienced another no-knock notice dropoff, and I just blew my top. I ranted and said a few things that I am not proud of -- I am not anti-union; I worked in a unionized workplace for 12 years and I know the tricks that we were taught by other unionized employees in order to make more work hours for ourselves, so I wonder whether this no-knock practice is an attempt to require two notice drop off trips for each package.
Private couriers always knock and I always hear them. I have never had to go down to UPS or FedEX to get my parcels; they even re-deliver; CP does not! I always have to go down to the drug store to get my CP parcels.
Maybe union protection has gone too far and the pendulum has to swing a little the other way. Or, maybe the reason for parcel carriers not knocking lies elsewhere. I wish a CP parcel delivery person would add their input to this conversation .


Canada Post parcel delivery is already privatized and has been for over 20 years. You have no clue of what you speak. If your guy doesn't knock it's because he is a dick and/or lazy and just wants to dump his packages at the local RPO, (retail postal outlet ). Oh, BTW, they are not unionized. I know this because I sub contract some of my 5-ton trucks to one of the companies that does package delivery in the Oshawa , ON area. This company also has contracts for many other cities in S. Ontario.

Close enough?


[ I wish a CP parcel delivery person would add their input to this conversation. ]
 
TenPenny
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by CalgaryFred View Post

Canada Post Parcel Delivery should be privatized. That is the only way that users of the service will get proper service. Currently, the unionized, coddled, anti-service employees are not interested in doing their jobs, so they should not have them. Cut their salaries by half, and get some people in there who value having a job and who take pride in doing their job well.
Let the free market set the postal rates for parcel delivery.
UPS, FedEx, or other large courier companies could bid to take over the parcel service and vastly improve the service for Canadians.
I look forward to your comments.
Thank you.

You do realize that Canada Post owns Purolator, don't you?
 
Chev
No Party Affiliation
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman View Post

A real post office or the drug store one?

Canada Post RETAIL OUTLET are in stores. and it is still a 'real' post office.

Quote: Originally Posted by eh1eh View Post

Canada Post parcel delivery is already privatized and has been for over 20 years. You have no clue of what you speak. If your guy doesn't knock it's because he is a dick and/or lazy and just wants to dump his packages at the local RPO, (retail postal outlet ). Oh, BTW, they are not unionized. I know this because I sub contract some of my 5-ton trucks to one of the companies that does package delivery in the Oshawa , ON area. This company also has contracts for many other cities in S. Ontario.

Close enough?

[ I wish a CP parcel delivery person would add their input to this conversation. ]

Canada Post parcel delivery drivers are employed by Canada Post and yes they are union. And I know this because I work with these drivers every day.
 
Liberalman
Free Thinker
#29
Quote:

Canada Post RETAIL OUTLET are in stores. and it is still a 'real' post office.

Canada Post retail outlet in stores is franchises like Shoppers Drug Mart. There are the corporate ones as well.

The franchise post offices, which is semi private, are making the real money like paying their employees minimum wage and they are not passing they’re saving to the customer.

Privatization does not mean cheaper rates just because profits go to the business owner or shareholders.

Privatization does not mean better service more like cut in service.
 
petros
#30
Some people's kids just have no clue at all.
 

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