All the "KING'S" Men


Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
#31
The AG controls the doc and the AG works for the President. Congress has to beg.
 
Hoid
#32
Congress oversees the president.

They require the report in its entirety in order to do that.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#33
Are you still sure?
 
Hoid
#34
Pretty sure
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...pril-2-n987241

House committee chairs demand full Mueller report by April 2 deadline

In a letter to Attorney General Barr, the Democratic lawmakers said his summary of the special counsel's report "is not sufficient for Congress."
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
-1
#35
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Congress oversees the president.
They require the report in its entirety in order to do that.

At the very best, Congress gets a redacted doc. if they get anything, at all. Mind you, Trump will look like a steaming pile of shyte afterward but he already does, anyway.

One thing is for sure. Democracy is in serious jeopardy in the USA.
 
Hoid
#36
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

At the very best, Congress gets a redacted doc. if they get anything, at all. Mind you, Trump will look like a steaming pile of shyte afterward but he already does, anyway.

One thing is for sure. Democracy is in serious jeopardy in the USA.

Barr has already said it will be released publicly.

There are 6 different congressional committees that need it.

They sent him a letter demanding it - not requesting it.

He is complying.
 
Hoid
#37
and btw -just because the AG does not see "proof enough" of obstruction (or even of collusion) is not the definitive say.

Congress oversees the President.

Who knows what they will make out of the ten of thousands of pages of information.

No one who matters has even seen the report yet.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#38
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Pretty sure
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...pril-2-n987241
House committee chairs demand full Mueller report by April 2 deadline
In a letter to Attorney General Barr, the Democratic lawmakers said his summary of the special counsel's report "is not sufficient for Congress."

Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

and btw -just because the AG does not see "proof enough" of obstruction (or even of collusion) is not the definitive say.
Congress oversees the President.
Who knows what they will make out of the ten of thousands of pages of information.
No one who matters has even seen the report yet.

And you are still standing by your assumption?

http://time.com/5530421/william-barr...ueller-report/

Quote:

He decides how much of the report goes to Congress and the White House

Barr has unique power over what aspects of Mueller’s report to share. The regulation about Mueller’s final report says, “At the conclusion of the Special Counsel’s work, he or she shall provide the Attorney General with a confidential report explaining the prosecution or declination decisions reached by the Special Counsel.” Read literally, that means the only person Mueller’s report must go to is Barr.
During his confirmation hearing, Barr pledged that he would provide Congress with at least some information about Mueller’s findings. “I also believe it is very important that the public and Congress be informed of the results of the special counsel’s work,” he said during his opening remarks to the Senate Judiciary Committee on Jan. 15. “For that reason, my goal will be to provide as much transparency as I can consistent with the law.”

But Barr has broad discretion over what he deems appropriate to send to Congress, and if he writes a summary of Mueller’s findings, how detailed that summary should be.
Barr’s control over the report is so broad, there is even uncertainty about what he might choose to share with the White House. It’s unclear at what point in the process the White House would have the ability to review the report, according to one White House official. Mueller could send his full report straight to the White House at the same time he sends it to Barr, but Mueller is a literalist when it comes to rules. “I’d be surprised if the special counsel did that without at least clearing it with the attorney general first,” says John Bies, chief counsel at American Oversight. So again, the authority will rest with Barr.

Still want to stand by your statement?
 
Hoid
#39
which statement?

Trump cannot stop Congress from getting the report - therefore his calling to release it publicly is simply for optics.

The AG cannot withhold the report from congress - and has already stated he will release it publicly.

I stand by all of that - even though none of that is my statement.
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
+1 / -1
#40
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

No. He can't.

If he can and he does, it would be an admission of guilt.
Of course, if he is, his base will spin it as a lefty conspiracy cuz they ain't too fukking bright.
 
Hoid
#41
Whether he can or not is actually moot,

He isn't, so why argue.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+2
#42
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

which statement?
Trump cannot stop Congress from getting the report - therefore his calling to release it publicly is simply for optics.
The AG cannot withhold the report from congress - and has already stated he will release it publicly.
I stand by all of that - even though none of that is my statement.

Didn't read the article I quoted for you did you?

Quote:

Barr has unique power over what aspects of Mueller’s report to share. The regulation about Mueller’s final report says, “At the conclusion of the Special Counsel’s work, he or she shall provide the Attorney General with a confidential report explaining the prosecution or declination decisions reached by the Special Counsel.” Read literally, that means the only person Mueller’s report must go to is Barr .

 
Tecumsehsbones
+1
#43
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Didn't read the article I quoted for you did you?

Of course not.
 
Hoid
#44
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...bpoena-n988206

If Barr misses the April 2 deadline Congress will simply subpoena Mueller and ask him directly
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#45
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...bpoena-n988206

If Barr misses the April 2 deadline Congress will simply subpoena Mueller and ask him directly

What exactly do you expect congress to ask ?
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
+2
#46
"Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of man, that state is obsolete." -Rod Serling
 
Hoid
#47
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

What exactly do you expect congress to ask ?

for the evidence of collusion and obstruction

how the **** could anyone wonder what they would ask.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
+1
#48
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

for the evidence of collusion and obstruction

how the **** could anyone wonder what they would ask.

If there was no collusion how could there be evidence of collusion? If there was no collusion how could there be obstruction ? If all documentation requested by the Mueller investigation was provided , who was hiding something ?
 
Hoid
#49
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

If there was no collusion how could there be evidence of collusion? If there was no collusion how could there be obstruction ? If all documentation requested by the Mueller investigation was provided , who was hiding something ?

The Barr summary does not say there was no evidence of collusion

Does that help you out at all?
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#50
CNN’s Brooke Baldwin lists all the times Trump threw cabinet members under the bus

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/03/cnn..._notifications
 
pgs
Free Thinker
+1
#51
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

CNN’s Brooke Baldwin lists all the times Trump threw cabinet members under the bus

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/03/cnn..._notifications

Let’s get something else out there to forget about the nothing burger collusion we foisted on you .
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#52
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

The Barr summary does not say there was no evidence of collusion
Does that help you out at all?

What are you babbling about it absolutely did say no evidence of collusion, it also said there was not enough evidence for obstruction but could not exonerate so he left it to the AG to decide.
And before you go full on crazy here read and refute all you want
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/he...ion-2019-03-24
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...port/39249781/
Quote:

Attorney General William Barr on Sunday delivered his highly anticipated summary of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report on his probe into whether President Donald Trump or those around him conspired in Russia’s interference in the 2016 election.
Here are the key takeaways from the most in-depth look yet into the 22-month investigation:
Mueller finds no collusion
The probe “did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election,” the summary says. This finding came after Mueller indicted two dozen Russians for hacking Democrats and social media meddling during the campaign and found that a number of Russians had contacted Trump associates.
Yet Mueller could not tie such efforts to Trump or his campaign despite “multiple offers from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign,” Barr’s letter said.
Obstruction: Not charged, but not cleared
“While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,” Barr quoted Mueller as saying, in a section on the question of Trump obstructing justice in the investigation of Russia’s actions. Democrats have long believed Trump’s firing of FBI Director James Comey was intended to derail the Russia probe.
Nonetheless, Barr said that he and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who initiated Mueller’s probe, had determined themselves “that the evidence developed during the special counsel’s investigation is not sufficient to establish that the president committed an obstruction-of-justice offense.”
Russia interfered in 2016 election
Mueller found that Russian government operatives hacked into the campaign of Hillary Clinton and Democratic Party emails, and disseminated them through WikiLeaks and others. And Russians at the Internet Research Agency engaged in a social media campaign to sow discord and ultimately interfere with the election.
This finding largely tracks with the conclusions of U.S. intelligence agencies that were released in January 2017.
2,800 subpoenas
Mueller’s staff, including 19 lawyers, “issued more than 2,800 subpoenas, executed nearly 500 search warrants” and spoke to about 500 witnesses. It also included “a team of approximately 40 FBI agents, intelligence analysts, forensic accountants, and other professional staff.”
More from Mueller report to come
Barr said that he plans to release additional information from Meuller’s report at a later date now that these initial findings have been made public. He wrote that his “goal and intent is to release as much of the special counsel’s report” as he could: consistent with applicable law, regulations, and departmental policies.” He added that he would be able “to move forward expeditiously” with the process once he had determined what must be held back to protect ongoing investigations.
The White House may be given the chance to use executive privilege to block certain details.

Last edited by Twin_Moose; Mar 29th, 2019 at 06:48 PM..
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
#53
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

What are you babbling about it absolutely did say no evidence of collusion, it also said there was not enough evidence for obstruction but could not exonerate so he left it to the AG to decide.

No evidence has been revealed of any kind. All that anyone knows is Barr's propaganda. The rest is still pending release.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#54
Well CC hang on to that thread of hope LOl
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
#55
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Well CC hang on to that thread of hope LOl

Meuller has already indicted 30 something, convincted 18 and spun off another half dozen investigations. It is not "empty".
 
Cannuck
No Party Affiliation
#56
You won’t convince Trumpites
 
Mowich
Conservative
+1
#57
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

"Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of man, that state is obsolete." -Rod Serling


Is the actor from the Twilight Zone, Cliffy?
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#58
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Meuller has already indicted 30 something, convincted 18 and spun off another half dozen investigations. It is not "empty".

23 Russian nationals and 3 Russian companies . Grasping .
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
#59
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

23 Russian nationals and 3 Russian companies . Grasping .

Two of Trump"s very closest men.
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#60
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

Is the actor from the Twilight Zone, Cliffy?

Rod Serling was the commentator.